We all know how immediate our predicament is. AMOC collapse has put a definite lifespan on civilization and very soon we will be forced to live without it. What skills and organizations do we need to build in the time we have to make sure we stand a chance of surviving through it? Of course this will vary depending on your immediate environment so feel free to bring up regionally focused strategies.

why many of you wait for the system to collapse instead of destroying it and saving what's left? i mean, when the system collapses it will be because the ruling classes cannot exploit no more any resource to convert it into the accumulated capital that has us oppressed. when the system collapses it will be because no type of life can be housed on erth anymore. to think otherwise is to ignore how the world works

I've been reading through this sub and a common talking point is that it is necessary to have a group as one would be driven to insanity otherwise. But in all of my dreams regarding this lifestyle there is noone but myself. I am simply not a group animal. I just want to be alone in nature and sustain myself, that's it. Perhaps it's all just a form of escapism and honestly, I am probably not mentally tough enough to endure such conditions. But I hate what this world is slowly becoming and it's my only way of coping with things.

Would like to know about the opinions of others when it comes to the topic of guns in a primitive future, I for one support the use of firearms as a form of hunting and self defense and I think they can be a great tool of self determination and imposition when it comes to living a lifestyle more connected to the natural world, but that being said they are an implement that would not last in a primitive world in the long run, they would eventually either run out of ammo or be damaged with no way to repair it, so I’m asking, despite what I see as the good things guns can bring to a primitive existence, should they be used if they will still eventually become obsolete? Or should we continue to use them despite this?

Because on one hand, modern agriculture relies on technology, but on the other hand, without the industrial society, most jobs will be useless so all these people can do farming instead. Imagine the billions of people on earth basically all doing farming, won't they be able to produce enough food? Water can be collected, or pumped with some primitive manually operated pumps and filtered and boiled.

Of course there are other causes of death than starvation, like not having crucial medicine, but I'm mostly thinking about food and water supply.

Late teens, M. Last night I cried myself to sleep. I woke up with my eyes puffy and it feels like my lungs are made of steel. I wasn't angry that I woke up, but I'm not looking forward to the day ahead. Or the day after that, and so on.

I need affection. Not just a hug or an "I love you". Those things help, but at this point those are like band-aids on the main issues. I need a literal shoulder to cry on. Somebody I can let all my defenses down for, who wouldn't look at me any different afterwards. I'm touch-starved, but there's no one I trust enough to touch me in the way that I crave. Relationships like that take time to make, and I don't know how. Even if I did, I need the support now.

I also believe the modern world is killing people. Multiple men in my life have died in their fifties of stress-related heart attacks. My father had a minor stroke in his thirties from working overtime. People are killing themselves at unprecedented rates. People are confused about their identities, now more than ever. Approximately 40% of Americans are obese. This is not the way humans are supposed to live. We have constructed for ourselves a cage, and we are actively rotting in it. We are living in the late stages of Universe 25, we are the rats, and we are the scientist. I want out. I don't mean I want to be dead, I mean I want out of the cage, and the fact that I know that there is something outside the cage, up in the mountains, makes me chafe at the bars.

"Only in the presence of hope can their be true despair" ~Bane

We are the all singing, all dancing crap of the world. I want out.

anybody what to find out what hunter gatherer tribes they descent from, i can tell them, ive been doing population genetics for ages, just tell me your percentage of ancestries, for example:(50% irish, 12.5% welsh and 37.5% german) or whatever, and i will respond with a screenshot of your hunter gatherer ancestry with percentages. people on this server downplay heritage, heritage isn't just skin colour, its who your ancestors were, their struggles, their sacrifices, its what grounds you, we should try to preserve localized small scale forms of kinship, religion/spirituality/language/territories etc. if you are not infavour of this, you are ultimately infavour of a souless monoculture driven by consumer capitalism that will destroy traditional ways of living.

I get “technically” it’s both Anarcho, and Primitivist, to “BBQ” my dogs.

But here’s the thing, I think if you have the right dogs. The right Anarchoprimitive dogs, they will be the ones to turn on you…

I’ve been hungry before, I just can’t seem to fully transition into a primal enough mindset to eat dogs, unless they try to eat me first. Eye for an eye, paw for a hand?

But honestly. So many dogs nowadays are just losers, so tiny, so pathetic. My pack could easily take out my entire neighborhood…

I think if you have a small, weak, loser dog. You should not be allowed to call yourself an anarcho primitivist. When my dogs were pups they weren’t just hunting, but skinning rabbit and squirrels, as well as fishing. I was so proud of my girl when she caught a fish for the first time. (Even though it was just a little sunfish, photo attached)

i dont know how to make clothes xD

I like grass.

I have all the survival skills that I need to live in my current environment however there is one unavoidable problem that I face, you can’t realistically thrive in nature on your own as a human. As social animals It takes two people to do the work to take care of one person not to mention the certainty of needing to care for the ill when the time arises. To anyone who lives in Southern California who else is considering leaving society?

thoughts of Ted's critique on anarcho-primitivism? btw, i would appreciate if someone can recommend readings about it

is it ethically wrong to eat meat? is it ethical to keep an animal as a pet?

i know anarchoprimitivists want to abolish civilization and tech, but what about an idiology that didnt want to get rid of civilization, but restrict human settlements to rural style farm areas, no more suburbs or cities, and not get rid of all tech, but only things that really make us lazy, like smartphones and TV. does something like that exist in some form already? if so, whats it called?

i understand if you want to cut out tech like internet and stuff like that for a better quality of life, but why give up tech that saves lives?

Civilization is incongruent with the evolved disposition of human beings. We evolved a dual ambiguity towards both submission and domination, which allowed our ancestors to live for hundreds of thousands of years in relatively egalitarian groups. Compulsory participation in centralized hierarchy causes a lot of mental and emotional turbulence. Some of that is expressed in misplaced notions of persecution, and these misplaced notions are themselves incredibly destructive, while also making us more vulnerable to manipulation and exploitation by the ruling class.

READ THIS for a further exploration of the idea of human beings as the persecuted ape.

Has anyone here gotten past stone tools? I am having trouble finding raw metals the world was once rich in.

Note: Pressure flaker not included in photo, but I have made one, and it’s nice. (Antler)

I think the best chance for hunter-gatherers to make a comeback is for global civilization to collapse entirely and leave little-to-no traces. Like a mass extinction and civilization collapse event like global nuke war, supervolcanoes, asteroid, and solar flares.

The ideal scenario would be that civilization collapses globally, that way modernity doesn't have a chance to expand and take over.

Like if all those extinction/collapse events would happen globally, and let's say a small pocket of humans survives by hunter-gathering, over thousands of years when the Earth's geosphere recovers and becomes more habitable again, hunter-gatherers would be able to make a comeback.

If all traces of modernity are forgotten and removed, the only issues then would be humans developing agriculture and modernity again. There's gotta be hunter-gatherer friendly habitats all across the world otherwise humans will resort to agriculture and eventually, modernity.

Some native-american tribes remained hunter-gatherers for so long because they had plenty of bison and ways to survive without being forced to develop/rely on agriculture; other native-americans did develop agriculture but at least not an advanced modern society like the Europeans.

But Inca society and others, and even most native-american tribes developed a government system. So for anarcho-primitivism to be the human, global norm it has to be free from external enemies and also remain in anarcho-primitivism.

I feel the best way for it to stay that way is with a low human population/density and enough environment pressure that keep the populations in check and from expanding too quickly, leading to agriculture and modernity. Like it could be a reliable super-predator, disease, etc.

Overall I feel the conditions for anarcho-primitivism to be sustained are very ideal. Enough time will pass and the conditions will shift to favor agriculture and modernity.

I think the best we can do for now is try to merge the pros of anarcho-primitivism with the pros of modernity and also try to eliminate its cons; And being smart about it. Otherwise I think we all are gonna become extinct from the lack of balance; Too much modernity is gonna lead to a collapse. The original, sustainable, natural state of human affairs for most of their existence/history has been anarcho-primitivism.

Like one of many examples of the negative effects of modernity/agriculture have been our anatomy/physiology: Myopia (glasses), dental issues (braces), etc have been a side-effect of not chewing hard foods (raw meat, nuts, etc.) like we used to and also being indoors all the time makes our eyes not morph correctly. I think it's in our best interests to try to emulate the most pros we can about anarcho-primitivism.

But my cynicism tells me that that's not enough. And that the human species is going to cause it's own extinction by holding onto agriculture/modernity. It keeps getting worse with time and more developments. I think we can't escape this fate. We are a ticking time-bomb.

Let me know what y'all think:

Are humans doomed to extinct themselves through agriculture/modernity?... Earlier than a natural (external) extinction if anarcho-primitivism was the norm?

Is modernity inevitable? ie, will it eventually always develop and take-over if anarcho-primitivism became the norm again?

Can modernity lead to a successful space/advanced civilization that doesn't extinct itself and is worth living in (ie, utopia-like)?...Or do you think a dystopia and extinction are inevitable and more likely to happen?

Can humans use modernity wisely?

Looking for recommendations and suggestions on any and all books and other reading materials related to anarcho primivitism. Doesn't matter how old or new, short or long, academic or more pop oriented, fiction or non fiction, thanks!