Nothing lasts and the more highly engineered Human Society becomes, the more resources it takes simply to maintain it at its particular point of development. Let alone expanding or improving it. That ultimately is the lesson of progress: running faster to stand still. That is not a new idea, as Lewis Carroll said in Alice in Wonderland "my dear here we run as fast as we can just to stay in place, and if you wish to go anywhere you must run twice as fast as that."

If we go back over 2000 years Greek philosophers such as epicurus were warning, "the wealth required by nature is limited, and easy to procure, but the wealth required by vain ideals extends to Infinity."

All religions have problems with ‘unbelievers’, but that response is insignificant compared to their visceral hatred of ‘apostates’. This is why mainstream media and liberal commentators react so strongly against anarcho-primitivism and neoluddism.

Progress is an ‘uncontested good’: Theoretically, that means scientific and technological progress is assumed to be a positive irrespective of any evidence to the contrary; practically, though, it means the moment technological or scientific progress is questioned it will often illicit silence, or ridicule, or in the worst case, abuse.

Questioning ‘progress’ picks at an unhealed sore – our severance from nature – which all those enmeshed in industrial society must endure. For over forty years, one person who has consistently picked at the contradictions between the purpose and the reality of human progress is John Zerzan.

Published twenty years ago, his collection of essays and interviews, ‘Running on Emptiness’, is a milestone not only in his examination of the folly of technological progress, but also his promotion of anarcho-primitivism as the lens through which to view that idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-TgH7JnO0

Our planet is destroyed by people and organizations obnubilated by growing their strengt over other people and others organizations. It is their only chance to survive in short terms in the worldwide competition, but it condemns everybody to death and destruction in long terms. Our duty is to stop this process by any means

I posted a week ago, and had a discussion in the comments about how we could help drive anarchoprimitivism into a social movement. It's been a week. What're y'all doing? What can we do, without running into legal trouble? It's not worth risking legal issues unless we've exhausted the less risky routes, which I daresay we haven't scratched the surface of.

Related question, how does one get venues for public speeches as a civilian? Politicians, celebrities and sometimes authors are given opportunities to speak, but how does the common person get out there and start speaking in public, and get an audience to listen?

People are freaking out over Trump getting elected. I'm seeing more anti-establishment sentiments on the internet than I ever have before, especially among Gen-Z and Millenials. Does anyone else see this as a golden opportunity to start feeding the "us and them" divide between the common people and those in positions of power? People resent the system, and emotions are high. Could we not start suggesting our ideals as an alternative, just kinda wedging that into conversations, getting more vocal in public? I say we should try and convince more people to buy into anarchoprimitivist ideals.

"There are many people today who see that modern society is heading for disaster in one form or another, and who moreover recognize technology as the common thread linking the principle dangers that loom over us" -Ted Kaczynski, "Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How"

Just started reading that. He hasn't gotten to the meat of his point so far, I'm still early in the book, but it's good so far.

Perhaps it's time to get people thinking in practical, grand-strategic terms about what must be done in order to get our society off the road to destruction that it is now on.

I'm not advocating for violence, for all the FBI agents out there. I'm advocating that we start making our voice heard above the discontented whisper it has been.

Got a major toothache recently, knocked me on my ass. I was able to get a numbing cream from a local Walgreens in the middle of the night, apply it, and it relieved the pain instantly. All's well that ends well, but it got me thinking; What would I have done without the numbing cream? If that had happened out in a forest, with only some basic tools, I probably would have spent the entire night in excruciating pain and therefore performed badly in just about any task that became necessary the next day, and it would have just been a terrible time all round. Nothing life threatening, just a major inconvenience. Something got stuck in there, I got it out, but I hurt my gums while I was flossing, which shouldn't have led to the level of pain that it did, but whatever.

Now extrapolate that to other major medical procedures. Most people who live in advanced societies have to have their wisdom teeth removed. I have heard it argued that people who eat tougher, coarser foods at young ages develop larger jaws to accommodate said teeth, which is great if it works, but what if it doesn't? Or what if a tooth becomes infected or cracked? I've heard this argument used by naysayers before, but it's not until you feel it that you take a step back and go "No, no, he has a point". Imagine getting a tooth pulled with a pair of pliers and no anesthetic. Or, for those of you who haven't had a toothache recently, imagine getting shot in the tooth and the pain traveling up your face and into your head. It's one thing to have an intellectual discussion on pain being a part of life, and another entirely to actually deal with said pain.

And then what about childbirth? It would be remarkably hypocritical of me to think that women should have to endure childbirth without modern medicine when I can't sleep off a toothache.

The same problems that cause me to want to leave our society still exist, but I'm not sure they're fixable. I am, however, sure that one person working alone can't do diddily shit to fix a whole society. I've heard a lot of people on this sub talk about Anprim in it's purest form being impractical, but I'm not sure what a fulfilling life looks like at this point. Things seem fairly meaningless these days. Thoughts? Ideas? How do you guys stay sane out there? For those of you purists, how do you suggest that such issues be dealt with? Because just hanging on by the bootstraps isn't a great option.

We all know how immediate our predicament is. AMOC collapse has put a definite lifespan on civilization and very soon we will be forced to live without it. What skills and organizations do we need to build in the time we have to make sure we stand a chance of surviving through it? Of course this will vary depending on your immediate environment so feel free to bring up regionally focused strategies.

why many of you wait for the system to collapse instead of destroying it and saving what's left? i mean, when the system collapses it will be because the ruling classes cannot exploit no more any resource to convert it into the accumulated capital that has us oppressed. when the system collapses it will be because no type of life can be housed on erth anymore. to think otherwise is to ignore how the world works

I've been reading through this sub and a common talking point is that it is necessary to have a group as one would be driven to insanity otherwise. But in all of my dreams regarding this lifestyle there is noone but myself. I am simply not a group animal. I just want to be alone in nature and sustain myself, that's it. Perhaps it's all just a form of escapism and honestly, I am probably not mentally tough enough to endure such conditions. But I hate what this world is slowly becoming and it's my only way of coping with things.

Would like to know about the opinions of others when it comes to the topic of guns in a primitive future, I for one support the use of firearms as a form of hunting and self defense and I think they can be a great tool of self determination and imposition when it comes to living a lifestyle more connected to the natural world, but that being said they are an implement that would not last in a primitive world in the long run, they would eventually either run out of ammo or be damaged with no way to repair it, so I’m asking, despite what I see as the good things guns can bring to a primitive existence, should they be used if they will still eventually become obsolete? Or should we continue to use them despite this?

Because on one hand, modern agriculture relies on technology, but on the other hand, without the industrial society, most jobs will be useless so all these people can do farming instead. Imagine the billions of people on earth basically all doing farming, won't they be able to produce enough food? Water can be collected, or pumped with some primitive manually operated pumps and filtered and boiled.

Of course there are other causes of death than starvation, like not having crucial medicine, but I'm mostly thinking about food and water supply.

Late teens, M. Last night I cried myself to sleep. I woke up with my eyes puffy and it feels like my lungs are made of steel. I wasn't angry that I woke up, but I'm not looking forward to the day ahead. Or the day after that, and so on.

I need affection. Not just a hug or an "I love you". Those things help, but at this point those are like band-aids on the main issues. I need a literal shoulder to cry on. Somebody I can let all my defenses down for, who wouldn't look at me any different afterwards. I'm touch-starved, but there's no one I trust enough to touch me in the way that I crave. Relationships like that take time to make, and I don't know how. Even if I did, I need the support now.

I also believe the modern world is killing people. Multiple men in my life have died in their fifties of stress-related heart attacks. My father had a minor stroke in his thirties from working overtime. People are killing themselves at unprecedented rates. People are confused about their identities, now more than ever. Approximately 40% of Americans are obese. This is not the way humans are supposed to live. We have constructed for ourselves a cage, and we are actively rotting in it. We are living in the late stages of Universe 25, we are the rats, and we are the scientist. I want out. I don't mean I want to be dead, I mean I want out of the cage, and the fact that I know that there is something outside the cage, up in the mountains, makes me chafe at the bars.

"Only in the presence of hope can their be true despair" ~Bane

We are the all singing, all dancing crap of the world. I want out.

anybody what to find out what hunter gatherer tribes they descent from, i can tell them, ive been doing population genetics for ages, just tell me your percentage of ancestries, for example:(50% irish, 12.5% welsh and 37.5% german) or whatever, and i will respond with a screenshot of your hunter gatherer ancestry with percentages. people on this server downplay heritage, heritage isn't just skin colour, its who your ancestors were, their struggles, their sacrifices, its what grounds you, we should try to preserve localized small scale forms of kinship, religion/spirituality/language/territories etc. if you are not infavour of this, you are ultimately infavour of a souless monoculture driven by consumer capitalism that will destroy traditional ways of living.

I get “technically” it’s both Anarcho, and Primitivist, to “BBQ” my dogs.

But here’s the thing, I think if you have the right dogs. The right Anarchoprimitive dogs, they will be the ones to turn on you…

I’ve been hungry before, I just can’t seem to fully transition into a primal enough mindset to eat dogs, unless they try to eat me first. Eye for an eye, paw for a hand?

But honestly. So many dogs nowadays are just losers, so tiny, so pathetic. My pack could easily take out my entire neighborhood…

I think if you have a small, weak, loser dog. You should not be allowed to call yourself an anarcho primitivist. When my dogs were pups they weren’t just hunting, but skinning rabbit and squirrels, as well as fishing. I was so proud of my girl when she caught a fish for the first time. (Even though it was just a little sunfish, photo attached)

i dont know how to make clothes xD

I like grass.

I have all the survival skills that I need to live in my current environment however there is one unavoidable problem that I face, you can’t realistically thrive in nature on your own as a human. As social animals It takes two people to do the work to take care of one person not to mention the certainty of needing to care for the ill when the time arises. To anyone who lives in Southern California who else is considering leaving society?

thoughts of Ted's critique on anarcho-primitivism? btw, i would appreciate if someone can recommend readings about it

is it ethically wrong to eat meat? is it ethical to keep an animal as a pet?