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How would you guys recommend I learn the skills and knowledge to learn how to live in this lifestyle? And what jobs would you recommended and also what authors and philosophers? I’ve recently been drawn to anarcho primitivism/eco anarchism but I’m very uneducated on it can anyone help me out?

I have read all of the fundamentals (All of John Zerzan, Kevin Tucker, and Ted Kaczynski’s work and everything of that sort) but are there any other authors or books that any of you have come across that have had worth to you?

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Okay, weird question- you can wipe your ass with your bare hands, if you have to, or preferably, you could use moss or large leaves- but what about feminine hygiene products? As I understand it, it takes a lot of them mfs for four days and if the woman leaves it in too long, she'll die. But I can also see how you wouldn't want blood just flowing around everywhere. Anybody have any sources on how they solved this issue before or in areas where there wasn't readily available cotton or cloth? Speaking of things that come out of women's bodies, what do you do with babies? Like, how do you keep them in clean clothing without at least cloth diapers? Because as I understand it, small humans have absolute ZERO bowel control.

As far as we know, the use/control of fire was invented by Homo erectus about 1.5 million years ago. The use of fire enabled benefits for Homo erectus (and ultimately other human species like ours), but also negative consequences, such as large-scale and uncontrolled fires and biodiversity loss, ultimately causing ecological imbalances (short-term and maybe also long-term?). For example, studies suggest that ancient humans caused extreme fires that led to the extinction of many large mammals in southern California around 13,000 years ago. Another example is that Indigenous peoples (in particular Native Americans) have long used fire for ecosystem management, wildlife habitat maintenance, and reducing the buildup of fuels that can lead to larger, more dangerous fires. Certainly, fire is/was used for natural selection, in a similar way to the use of antibiotics. So, naturally many new forms of plants with higher fire resistance replaced the plants forms that have/had lower fire-resistance over the years in specific territories. The same happened to animals (see the black fire beetle, spotted owl, antechinus, black-backed woodpecker, and frilled lizards). This co-evolution between Homo species (with fire skills) with animals and plants enabled some new adaptations like higher fire resistance in some animals and plants. That said, I’m wondering whether fire makes our ecosystems more fragile and may be involved in the Holocene extinction. Fire is sometimes required in primitive agriculture, in particular it is often required for shifting cultivation. But fire is/was not used in primitive horticulture.

At the past and current states, is/was the use/control of fire overall ethical for the entire ecosystem and human species? Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

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The only “work” we should have to perform is that which directly sustains us via constructing shelters, hunting game, foraging, tool building,etc. But this is not our reality (we can only hope one day it can be).

So bearing that in mind, I’m curious what field my fellow An-Prims partake in to have income in the modern age. Do you feel like you have found purpose in it? I’ve tried many jobs and none of them bring me fulfillment the same way a day in the woods does. Once you awaken to our enslavement as a species, it’s hard to reapply the veil of ignorance and pretend that everything is okay and be happy at work all day. We are wild creatures, corralled like livestock. (As we are no better than those animals, because we are animals). Oh and I’m sure you’ll ask what I “do for a living.” I guard Uncle Sam’s buildings. Thats pretty much it

I saw a post on r/nihimism asking about what people believed. I posted my response there, and I thought it was also worth posting here.

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Am monke. Prime directive is live free, get food, fuck, make more monke. Society is a cage that animals have made for themselves, trying to prove that they are gods. We are not gods. We do not need to live on an Icloud, we do not need to strip the earth from which we rose. We need food in our bellies by the sweat of our brows, and fresh water to drink. We believe we are so different from the men who first brought wolves into camps, or who still hunt antelope with bows and arrows, and we look down on them as a stepping stone to get to where we are. What so many people do not realize is that they are stepping off of that stone-age stone when there is nowhere for them to go but to sink. That is what I believe.

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Hello, I've been reading Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. Even though I regard the technological and scientific cult our society has succumbed to as a poison, I've only discovered primitivism a few months ago and I'm still in a phase of thinking about these complex issues.

One of the most important reasons that lead some people to becoming anarcho-primitivists, primalists, luddites, etc. are their environmental concerns. Even though we are, unfortunately, a very small group of people, we share these concerns (to some extent) with another, much larger group, that I would call "mainstream" or "soft" environmentalists.

Here's the distinction, as I see it:

• Soft environmentalists are normally aligned with the political left. Among all the environmental problems we are facing, they usually worry overwhelmingly with the specific issue of climate change, leaving other issues (such as the loss of biodiversity) as a footnote or a secondary challenge. Furthermore, they still subscribe to the myth of progress and the belief that science and technology is the path to take from here.
  • This is a very wide group of people. They can easily be found on the streets, family gatherings, social events, etc. They include the likes of Greta Thunberg, Bill Nye, Greenpeace, the UN, left or extreme left political parties that enjoy representation in national parliments, the vast majority of the vegan movement, etc.
• Hard environmentalists see technology as the root of the problem, and believe that humanity should abandon it, at least to some degree, in favour of a more primitive lifestyle.

I would say we belong to the hard environmentalist side of the coin. I was wondering if there are any books that talk about the soft environmentalists from an anarcho-primitivist perspective, or your own thoughts on the matter.

A way we could live as. Living along the coast or a big river, setting up fishing weirs and tidal fish traps, using nets and trotlines, we could move from site to site, staying long enough to forage and repair kit, empty the traps and smoke them. Maybe we have a winter camp that we store food in and can overwinter but otherwise stay on the move. Your thoughts?

As AI becomes more advanced do you think bioengineering humans to be smarter and faster and better at complicated tasks to stay relevant will happen? I wonder, could it be a good idea to genetically enhance humans to alleviate some of the harder aspects of primitive life?

I was reading a study analyzing various skeletons from Neolithic to Early Bronze Age Denmark, and what I found was quite interesting. The study indicates the usual violent contact seen between hunter-gatherers and agriculturalists, but the data shows much more than that. It shows exponential spikes in crop/grazing land (indicated through pollen ratios found within the burial sites) following the arrival of agriculturalists to the region such as the Funnel Beaker Culture, the Single Grave Culture, and Sintashta descended cultures from the central Eurasian steppe. However, it also shows exponential decline of these environments, followed by exponential growth of secondary and primary forest coverage. In addition to this, there are several individuals showing mixed agriculturalist and hunter-gatherer ancestry living at the same time of this exponential growth. The study attempted to explain this by saying it was the result of hunter-gatherers adopting agricultural lifestyles, but that has rarely ever happened in history. Moreover, it unlikely that large scale warfare was desirable or even possible in the early stages of agricultural contact, as the technologies available for offense to most chalcolithic agriculturalists could not outstrip the technologies of defense available to both the agriculturalists and the hunter gatherers. While metal weapons did exist in these earlier ag. cultures (FBC & SGC in particular), they were incredibly rare. Usually these items are found within individual burials, as metalworking had not yet been developed north of the Mediterranean. While this is not to say that no violent contact occurred, it likely did not occur on such a scale as to completely wipe out the earlier population of hunter-gatherers. Many of these people likely died from diseases that zoonotically shifted from FBC domesticated animals to the hunter gatherers.I think a much more likely explanation is that these agriculturalist societies changed their subsistence model in the wake of agricultural collapse, simultaneously interbreeding with South-west Hunter Gatherers. There are major problems with this interpretation, as it relies on a small data set within an already tiny sample size spanning several thousand years of history. However, given the rarity of intact burials from the period, it's about as good as we're going to get. I'm open to any criticism levied against this position, and if anyone can refer more sources to this topic it would be greatly appreciated.

https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/scandinavias-first-farmers-slaughtered-hunter-gatherer-population

Why are we still in society? Why haven't we left? How can we fix this?

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I’ve been in a decent paying field for 6 years now. I started analyzing this system we are born into about 4 years ago. Went down rabbit holes about how indoctrinated we are and how all my opinions and interests have been pre programmed with media and western education. Now I spend every second I can in the woods. But because I have a family, I have to play the game until I can find a way out or I go mad from being a cog in the machine.

The problem is, every day it’s getting so hard for me to convince myself that I’m doing the right thing, even if I switch jobs. Almost every job in some way or another contributes to the ecological devastation of our world, unhinged consumerism, and mental illnesses(because we are so detached from the natural world). All of it, is essentially picking your poison. Every bone in my body knows this isn’t right. We are being forced to dig our own coffin. And if I don’t, I’m labeled as an unpatriotic burden on society (by the indoctrinated). I see now that comfort, is the offender. People want to be comfortable and safe, and if that means avoiding/destroying nature (something that cannot be controlled and therefore is inherently unsafe) then they won’t hesitate to develop every inch of Earth.

How the hell do we escape this? I want to feel alive, not be drowned in ads, celebrity worship, and endless materialism. I can’t even relate with the average person anymore. They have nothing of importance for us to discuss. “DiD u SeE tHe fOoTbALL gAmE lAsT NiGhT?” Everyone is seeking the next stimulation, there’s no delayed gratification. No one stops to smell the roses. The planet provided us everything we needed. Greed is humanities downfall. And I’m happy one day the planet will take it all back. We can’t escape our fate, and we deserve it, frankly.

I used to be one of those fans of space colonization. During the 2000s and 2010s I've read lots of books and watched the podcasts and lectures on the internet of various futurists and scientists about space colonization projects. They said that in the future, most of the people will be living on Moon, Mars, other planets in the solar system, and on various space stations, Earth will be turned into a nature preserve where only the extremely rich would have the priveledge of living. So space colonization would become a reality by the end of the 21st century. Now if you're reading this, you may thing that it's cool and awesome, In fact I did too, back then when I was a nerdy teenage boy. But where is the conspiracy in all of this?

The conspiracy is in the evacuation of at least a plurality of humanity off the Earth, perhaps forcibly, and shoving them into artificial controlled environments where they can be monitored 24/7. The Earth is unique as it allows freedom of movement. Even if you live in the cities, if you drive out far enough you can get into the woods. And in some parts of the world you can even buy houses and plots of land in the woods, in a rural area, in the nature, away from society. This is the lifestyle for optimal health. I've written an article about how humans aren't meant to live in the cities and urban civilization is unnatural. I think that the ideal lifestyle is like the Amish or Russian Old Believers or Native Americans before colonization. Living as a r/preppers, r/OffGrid. You can live in the nature, in the woods. And in addition to the health benefits, this lifestyle gives you the maximum freedom, outside of society.

Why I do not like places like schools, churches, and especially dormitories and some companies. This is because you're in a controlled society. You're totally dependent on them for your residence, for your income, in some cases even for your food and drinks. Your life is totally dependent on them. And in return you have to do whatever they say. If you live in a dormitory, you have no privacy, you have no other option other than getting your food from the public cafeteria, and you're surrounded by the same people all the time. And you have to do whatever they tell you. In school you have to sit in class, you have to do your homework, or you have to work at the factory, or you have to attend church services, you have to sit in for hours and listen to whatever propoganda they want to brainwash you with, you have to do this, you have to do that. That is the meaning of a controlled society.

And as we saw during the pandemic, university students who lived in dormitories had to get the vaccine, or they were evicted. People in churches, companies, and schools were under the influence of peer pressure, group harrasment, and sometimes even overt coersion to take the vaccine. I've been to American Protestant churches before. Even before the pandemic, I've seen people who questioned the doctrine of the Bible getting harassed, mobbed, bullied, and in some cases had substances slipped in their drinks. That's why I'm against Protestants, because it's yet another kind of controlled society, just like schools and businesses, you have to conform to their rules. I'm not Christian, (actually Neo-pagan) but sometimes I go to Catholic and Orthodox churches to pray. They are just like public buildings, like parks and libraries, where I can attend and I don't know anyone there, and no one is able to control me. Whereas American Protestant churches are a controlled society, each with their own hierarchy that you have to obey or else you either get kicked out or gangstalked. No doubt American churches are under control of the US government. Schools are yet another kind of controlled society, where you're in there five days of the week, and subject to brainwashing and interrogation. If you wouldn't comply with the teacher's orders, they would "punish" you by having you sit in a dark room all by yourself while the other children were free to run and play. American schools also had a GATE program in which students were allegedly subjected to MKultra type of techniques.

In the future, instead of the vaccine, or instead of listening to propoganda in the school or church, you maybe required to get a Neuralink, or they would force you to wear hats with special sensors that would be able to read your mind without the necessity of implanting a chip into the head at all. It's called Remote Neural Monitoring technology, which already exists. If you refuse, then they can turn your life into hell, making you a social pariah. Bullying, gangstalking, abuse, denying opportunities for social advancement. I've seen what happens with those who refuse in schools, churches, university dormitories. This is the meaning of a controlled society. They control and manipulate people's behavior and lifestyle both through soft and hard methods.

There are some r/preppers who live on their own land in rural and woods areas. They grow their own vegetables, raise their own chickens and cows and goats. Their children are home-schooled. They breathe clean air, drink clean water, work in remote jobs, and in general live independent outside of society. They cannot be controlled by anyone.

I think that the "powers that be" want to put everyone in a controlled society. 15 minute cities are basically university dormitories and Chinese corporate housing, where people live in dwellings provided by the corporation, and eat the food that's provided by the corporation, and in exchange they have to give their time and their life to the corporation, by assembling phones or whatever.

That's basically what a space station is, it's a 15 minute city in space. Or on the planet Mars. It would be basically be like living in a university dormitory or a military base. You have no control over your living situation, they control everything. They built the apartment complex in the Mars or in the space. It means that they can put tiny cameras and microphones embedded into your apartment/cell and you wouldn't even know. They also provide all your food, and they could put drugs in the food or water, such as fluoride and stuff. You have to do what they say, you have to get the vaccine or get the chip or wear the mind reading helmet. Maybe you don't even know that it's a mind reading helmet, you think that's just the helmet of your space suit. And if you don't comply, they'll throw you out of the airlock and you die.

If you live on Mars, you live in a totally controlled society. Because unless you're a millionaire, you can't live on a homestead. It is much more expensive to live on your own on Mars. Here on Earth it's still expensive, because you have to buy land, build a house, provide electricity and water. But on Mars it's way too expensive, because you have to build your house according to a certain design or else all the air will leak out, which makes it ten times more expensive. You have to provide air, you have to provide water, you have to provide food. What the basics on Earth were free or relatively low cost, it's prohibitively expensive on Mars. So very few people will be able to live independently on Mars. The r/poor will all live in arcologies and 15 minute cities on Mars, totally controlled societies. If you refuse, they could shutdown your oxygen supply or poison your oxygen supply with gas.

So the conspiracy with space colonization and forcing people off the Earth and into space is that they'll all be living in controlled societies. It will be much much easier to control and spy on people if they will be depending on you for their dwelling, for their food and water, for their air even! They want to turn people into r/hikikomori by default. It's possible that the people who get on the ships will be sent to live in these newly constructed cities on Mars, which will be of course totally controlled societies, where the people will be spied on 24/7 and fed food laced with drugs, and made to forget their culture, traditions, and languages and brainwashed to become more "modernized" and "enlightened", basically live according to "space age" ideals and values. The people will be brainwashed to love their servitude. They will think that the old way of life in the nature was "backward" and "primitive", and that they're "advanced" just because they live in glorified concentration camps in space. There is very little difference between a jail, or a concentration camp, or a university dormitory, or a church, or a Fallout bunker, or a South Korean chaebol provided housing for employees. It's all a controlled society under perpetual surveilance, peer pressure, gang stalking, and bullying, and propoganda. That's what all of these space facilities will be like.

Whereas on Earth people can at least try and live independently like the Old Believers. On Mars you can't do that unless you're a millionaire or billionaire. You cannot exit out of the system. Even if it's not the "world government" or the "solar system government" or the "galactic government". If you live in a controlled society, you are at the mercy of the people who are in charge of that controlled society, you are at the mercy of the captain of the space station. Just like for example in the movie Wall-E or the Chronicles of Riddick or even Squid Game.

The World Goverment or whoever is in charge by then could conceivably be forcing people to get on the ships. Just like the vaccines, get on to save OTHERS, get on the ships to save "the planet" and "the environment" from pollution and overpopulation. Did you notice how "they" are trying to make people not have children, because allegedly children are "bad for the environment" or some bullshit. So they would be saying that people are "bad for the environment", that just by your mere presence alone, "you are polluting the environment". That is an obvious lie because the factories, the corporations, the oil refinerys, and the military industrial complex are producing 70% of the pollution at least. But they will be using that as a means of getting people on the ships. First they create artificial scarcity, hunger, and resource starvation. Then they offer to "solve" the problem that they have created by evacuate people off a "dying planet", saving them from overpopulation, pollution, resource depletion, and climate change. If you don't want to go to Mars, or Saturn, or some O'Neil type of space stations, if you don't want to evacuate out of the Earth, then you'll be called a "climate denialist" or "polluter" or whatever is the bad word these days. Non-conformists will be alleged of being "dangerous to society" and persecuted, killed, gangstalked, or kidnapped and put on the ships by force.

Why? All because they don't want people to live as an anprim society in the woods. They don't want people living in the rural areas in the villages, because then they can't control them. So they want to force people into the space stations and into the Mars cities because then they can control them at all times, it would be so easy. And then the people lose their freedom and they lose their traditional way of life. We can say that then human civilization would die. There will still be humans existing, but they will be living in a lifestyle that's totally against how we evolved as a species. They will be living an unnatural and unhuman lifestyle. So there will be no more humanity anymore, just a robotic machine in space that controls humans and spies on humans and doesn't let humans come back down to Earth and live among the woods again, just as our ancestors used to.

Now that we have taken a look into a possible future dystopian timeline, let us work so that this timeline will never happen. It means living outside of the controlled societies, living in rural areas or in woods areas. It means being fully self-sufficient, having many children, and raising our children in these anprim type values. Getting away from the artificial society, away from the machine society. Going back to nature, back to the land, back to the ways of our ancestors.

Already know about Ishmael, just wanted to ask about possibly more. Thxx.

Some Roman Anarchist recommended this critique in a discussion earlier, and when I read it I was absolutely flabbergasted. It completely misses the arguments of the primal anarchist critique, and compares the movement as a whole to reactionary groups like Individuals Tending Towards Savagery. Is it just me, or is this one of the most asinine and misdirected attempts to refute our position?

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/william-gillis-a-quick-and-dirty-critique-of-primitivist-anti-civ-thought