/r/AdventureTheory
Theories for the hit animated television show: Adventure Time
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I watched the episode S1 E7, Ricardio the Heart Guy, and realized what it was the never sat right with me… and this may have been obvious to everyone else and I’m stupid. But I realized that it confused me to see Ricardio, the Ice King’s heart, with a “deep knowledge on planetoids” - but the Ice King doesn’t know about that stuff… but you know who would? Doctor Simon Petrikov. A PhD in ancient magic and rituals, he would likely have encountered this subject matter before.
It’s just a fun little thought I had, and it made me wonder if it was supposed to be implied that the IK’s heart being smart was a sign of a deeper intelligence in IK.
i personally think it’s one of the most interesting episodes of adventure time, showing different ways ppl grieve
S7 EP25 The Thin Yellow Line
As soon as I saw Banana Guard 16's art style, it really reminded me of the title cards at the intro to each ep. Maybe it's a meta thing where he's actually the artist of all those.
Cuber and Tuber are nowhere to be seen in the main story, but in the distant future. Yet, their graybles which keep stories from Ooo more than 1000 years ago links them to someone who was there at the time. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to have the graybles. We also see in the episode their childhood was on earth, not in space, which also makes a stronger case they were created on Ooo.
Another reasons i believe this is their complexion - they kind of look like candy people.
Last but not least, Bubblegum spent a lot of time in the main series trying to create a successor who also is not as insane as her. She failed miserably multiple times, but it is hard to believe she stopped trying. I could imagine she made both of them.
By the way, I am surprised I did not find this theory somewhere else, because i have a strong feeling i saw it sometime ago, maybe on a youtube video?
I'm in season 5 so I may be unaware of further developments, but here is my theory:
So we know that the show takes place in a post-apocalyptic world after a nuclear war, that bit is already pre-establised, but I say that the entire story is seen through the lens of Finn, who is rejecting reality. There are only three real characters in Finn's world: Finn, Simon Petrikov (who Finn refers to as the Ice King), and Marceline. Finn's imagination created all of the other characters, who are merely toys or objects in his world.
Simon Petrikov is a broken man who lost everything in the nuclear war. He found Finn, whose arm was torn clean off, which has been referenced several times, and took care of him. Simon became very attached to Finn, but Finn rarely left Simon's house due to intense trauma. Simon spends most of his time outside looking for food and fending for himself, and when he returns, he puts the toys in a box and invites Finn to dinner. Finn likes to wrestle with Simon, who plays along, repeating the same old story where Simon goes "I will marry your toys" and Finn says "no!"
Finn rarely leaves the house, and his imagination creates characters such as Princess Bubblegum and the Candy People, who are merely toys shaped like candy and other sweets. Finn imagines personalities for these characters and attributes their traits accordingly.
Marceline is the daughter of a powerful businessman who wants her to inherit his business or join an exclusive group that values power over morality. However, Marceline rebels against her father's expectations and instead pursues her own passions and interests, which often conflict with her father's goals. This dynamic between ( I believe that Marceline and her father reflects a common plot point in Asian characters who suffer from the pressure of upholding family expectations and cultural traditions).
The alternate universes are Finn's version of the "outside," and the Lich is his understanding of "death." Finn is the central figure in his world, and everyone respects him. He gets all the cool stuff and is unbeatable, no matter how strong the dragons and monsters are.
The Ice King's crown is a symbol of Simon's descent into madness and distance from the day he found Finn after the nuclear war, and may perhaps refer to his weapon of choice. In the alternate reality episode, finn used the crown to defend his family. This may reference that he shot someone to protect a loved one, and started to feel that he has become unpure, and will desend into the life of a stone cold murderer, an ice king, a symbolic way to show Simon's growing distance from humanity, as he becomes a stone-cold survivor with a tough exterior and actions that aren't necessarily moral. Of course, Finn fought against it through his immediate copping method.
So we all know Tiffany gets saved by jakes parents in “Together again” and Tiffany asks Jakes parents how they got untied and jakes dad says that Tiffany is terrible at tying knots and now if we rewind to the finale of adventure time the character we get introduced to named “Sherby” trys to trip a prize ball guardian with a rope she ties around a tree stump but the guardian easily breaks the knot from the stump and Sherby says that she sucks at tying knots. I just thought this was a cool detail that maybe hints that Tiffany’s soul eventually got reincarnated by Life
When Death and Peppermint Butler talk to Prismo about the Lych in the room everyone is partying in he says to Prismo, yeah but why isn’t he killing everyone in the room right now? Controlling our minds, making us rip each other’s eyes out, while we buttercup one another? Did anyone catch on that and I’m sorry it’s called theory but I tried looking up the slangs for the show and nothing came up does anyone have any idea what he meant by buttercup one another?
I grew up with this show and cannot overstate how much I loved everything about the writing and animation! Analysis and theory was ritual with this show for me, & so thus... hi r/adventuretheory, I'm a longtime lurker and first time poster here. :) the main sub seems to be long gone in terms of moderation to a younger crowd, so I'm hoping that any veteran AT nerds who still hang out here or frequent on occasion will have an opinion on this...
Anyway, to the point! Orgalorg's visuals are EXACTLY the same - towards the end of the film as the alien is revealing more and more of its powered form, IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE WHAT A REALISTIC ORGALORG would look like! Otis' character calls the alien ship, "an angry umbrella." which is what Orgalorg ends up becoming in space lol. The design of how they "absorb"/"feed"/assimilate others into their structure is almost identical.
The nature of the entity fits as well. I see Orgalorg as representing fascistic, genocidal dictatorship/colonial-rule, ala Hitler, but on a cosmic scale (pay attention to the Elders and what they share in S6 finale episodes... the subtext of history parallels is very apparent). The Nope alien could easily have been Orgalorg at the beginning of conquering a new planet, exactly as was shown in the flashback of her destroying worlds for fun.
Yall this was like an unexpected irl adaptation of one of AT's best plot twists, writing, and ideas & its got me geeking out again!
Yes, I know Adam Muto said, "The comics are as cannon as a Funko Pop", but I personally believe in "death of the author", which means a creator's views on a work are only as valid as the fans views.
Also, I really like the comics. They have had some really creative arcs. So it would be a shame to just say "They're not cannon, so they don't count".
To be fair the comic does have its own stories that contradict the main series, like the first four-issue story arc ending with them killing the Lich. So, it would be impossible to have them exist in the exact same timeline as the show.
However, I have found a way around it.
The episode "The Lich" confirms that Adventure Time exists in a multiverse, with the shows setting being just one universe. So, it's possible that the events of the comics did happen, but in another universe separate to the show's universe.
We know that there are officially five elements in Adventure time. Fire, Ice, Candy, Slime and Lumps.
However, Flame Princess mentions Water elementals as her opposite. Whilst this could be chalked done to FP being trapped in the Fire Kingdom all her life, and not knowing about the world. So she just assumed water elementals existed. But I don't think so.
The Adventure Time wiki has an entire list of possible water elementals, so it's safe to assume they are a thing. What's interesting is that the list includes Cloud People as potential water elementals, as well as the Ice Cube guy from "Memories of Boom Boom Mountain".
But do Water elementals have any relationship to the five elementals?
Kind of...
Whilst they are certainly not some kind of 6th elemental, I do believe they are an extension of an existing element. The Ice element.
Technically speaking, calling them "Water Elementals" would be inaccurate, as the term "Elemental" should really be reserved for the five individuals, who embody that element. A better term would be "Water People", Just like how Flame Princess is the "Fire elemental", but the other living fire people are simply called "Flame People".
Creatures like the Snow Golems, Ice monsters and other things created by the Ice Kings magic would be considered "Ice People" or "Snow People" whatever term you want to use.
So yeah, I think Snow/Ice People, Water People ^((also called Water Elementals)) and Cloud People are different versions of the same elemental species.
There is even more evidence for this. Carrol goes from being water, to cloud, to ice and then back to water in the show. Also, whilst not confirmed to be canon, the game "Adventure Time: Hey Ice King! Why'd you steal our garbage?!! " Does have you create a girlfriend for a snow golem using clouds.
In fact, when we look at the Flame People, they come in all sorts of variations. Some being pure flame, whilst others are molten rock.
idk if this has already been posted but im rewatching the series and just in the 1st season ive noticed that yes, the characters do interact with jake, but they almost always look at finn first or ignore jake. like in the 2nd encounter of marceline, she says "if it isnt the goody two shoes finn the human" she doesnt even acknowledge jake. theres other instances of this that i cant remember off the top. but like i said before, characters do interact with jake but not nearly as much as they do with finn.
What exactly determines a red object that is therefore edible for Marcy? And she can eat pink too so this raises more questions
Ice king would usually kidnap at least three princesses at once, and would talk about looking for the perfect princess, and which one would be the best to marry, but he never did end up attempting to marry one. What if that’s because the perfect princess was Betty, and that’s who he was looking for subconsciously, but no princess was as perfect as Betty, so he never married them. I mean we know his obsession with princesses came from him calling Betty his princess, and her leaving him, so this could also be why he never actually ended up setting up a marriage with one and couldn’t decide (ignoring that one episode where he kind controlled the old lady, no backstory was established back then)
In “the limit”, the eel who grants wishes, aquandrius, intends to kill anyone who gets a wish, this would probably make him a wish granter like prismo and killing him would get you a ticket to the citadel. Considering how they deal with most threats, particularly at this point in the series, they probably would kill him
I think each of the characters is supposedly a real person who dreams in the world of adventure time. This makes the world a playground of sorts with everyone doing whatever they want really and all the cool adventures Finn has, Princess bubblegum fantasizing about a perfect candy castle, and jake not caring for his children at all. Just something I thought about whenever I saw videos of the show. There are also other characters who behave in what I call a dream-like state. This explains lemongrab's behavior as well since he knows that he's dreaming and decides to act the way he does probably out of frustration in his "real-life" (still fictional) or mental disability. There's an episode where there's a darling child lemongrab who all the other lemongrabs try to shut up and lock away (figurative representation of his real emotional vulnerability) A lot of other things have to lead me to believe this theory I'll go more in-depth if you guys don't think it's completely stupid. Just hard to believe the writers would add this sort of depth to the series.
This is more of a what if question I'm presenting. Trying to brainstorm an AU based on this scenario.
So what would have happened to the timeline had the Martians joined the Mushroom War? As in they want a piece of the action or want the humans to stop.
The way they'd enter the fray would be a War of the Worlds style invasion, where they'll go down to Earth in giant near-invincible tripods and blow up everything and anyone they see with their heat rays. All to the tune of late 70's disco rock music.
Just imagine that. Big scary tripods piloted by humanoid, green and purple skinned men with pointy hats rather than the big, brainy, bloodsucking cephalopods from the book.
So how would the sudden intervention of an Alien invasion affect the War would this still lead to the birth of Ooo or would there be a different outcome? would this give humanity a different reason to drop the Mushroom bomb and kill themselves along with the Martians?
So in the intro the, BMO narrates as the yellow comet flies through space, gets eaten by the moth, and then pooped out with some being now formed...I've tried for a while to figure out the significance of this and have fallen flat. Anyone? And have we seen that being that gets pooped out before? It seems so familiar
Have they ever questioned what caused it? No. Why aren't they exploring city ruins? Unknown. When they found the underground bunker they weren't saying that it's from the war even though it's obvious considering the enourmous amounts of ruin underground.
They were both comets at one point, and The Lich's hand seems to be his main physical motif, whereas Finn's is specifically portrayed without the same hand, even in death that's how they represent themselves. Why is this such a constant across multiple lives/dimensions? It is said that Finn's and the Lich's comet where the representations of ultimate Good and Evil, respectively. Maybe like a Yin and Yang, they were a single entity before?
I know that it's a pretty lazy theory given that most probably Future Boy Conan is the work that inspired Adventure Time the most for the set up and the overall narrative structure at least for the "Islands" mini-series. Also, is more like an hypothesis or a fantasy rather than a theory, it's not well structured as it should've be, so do whatever you want with this.
My theory is that what happens in "Future Boy Conan" happens in the 1000 years span prior to the events of Adventure Time, most precisely in the first 20-30 years after the Mushroom War/Atomic Warfare, integrating as lore for the american show on how were the first years after the war for humans before organizing as a society.
A further implication though is that there are other humans living in the Adventure Time universe, other than the ones we see in the "Islands" miniseries.
The island where most of the survivors ultimately stationed, which the first colonizers is implied are the humans Marceline meets and saves from the Vampire King as we see in the "Stakes" mini-series (bringing further for 1000 years the tradition of the animal-shaped hat), are clearly americans, as we could almost surely say that the place where they meet Marceline is indeed the US. But then some questions rise from the "Mysterious Island" episode, where we can see that the human living in the island talks Swedish.
We know that in 1000 years a lot of shit happens, my point is that there were survivors all around the world, not only in the US (the place that then became Ooo), and humans were, at least for the first years after the war, nomads, and most probably a lot of survivors from different countries have indeed tried to explore Ooo (mostly german and japanese, explaining the easter eggs we see in Adventure Time), and tried to live there for some years, but failing on colonizing the island for longer times. Following this argument, there were some swedish humans that probably survived in different islands than the americans, advancing with different paces in different kind of technology, that someday landed on the Island we see on the "Mysterious Island" episode. I would say this due to the - even if very slight - difference between the hats wore by the american humans of the Main Land, more resembling animal shapes, and the ones wore by the swedish people, even showing, in the film the old lady shows, a guy that doesn't wear a hat whatsoever.
The "Mysterious Island", in my theory, is even more unique as a case. What I think it is is that is literally the island where we see Conan at the start of the anime, rediscovered by swedish travelers around 900 years after. In FBC we see that he lives inside the spaceship that crashed on an island that more or less resembles the dimensions of the island where the swedish old lady lives, and in the first episode of FBC we see that vegetation is already growing on the spaceship 20 years later it crashed. The tree where the old lady lives also have the same dimensions of the crashed spaceship of FBC. That would explain the advanced technology we see inside the tree. Of course the different animals or the strange climate phenomenons we see in Adventure Time are contextualized in 900 years of nature being absolutely overturned.
I don't know if this can even barely apply as a theory or something, I actually want to think that the Adventure Time crew wanted to pay a tribute to a work that unites within the same unique idea of utilizing the post-apocaliptic trope to express the feeling of reborn after destruction, of an "adventure that doesn't never end", a metaphor for the passing of time, that "everything stays but it still changes, ever so slightly", if you know what I mean. Theory or not theory, my relationship with both works is that Adventure Time is at least the spiritual sequel to FBC. Adventure Time went to places FBC obviously could never go, complimenting Miyazaki's work giving the concept a new feeling and a new deepness, even adapting for the different generations of the viewers.
What do you guys think?