In the new war ballas traps us in a repeating, inescapable timeloop inside our own history because we cannot be conventionally killed (confirmed on the PC files next to loid)

At some point the man in the wall appears and makes the offer to the Tenno to save everyone. Is this what eventually allows the Tenno to escape the loop they are stuck in? Is this the original deal, or a new one?

We also know that the drifter also accepted a deal from wally, but didn't get to escape the void (''never said I'd save you - Duviri Tablet)

The drifters' file on Deimos says it was the drifter that helped the tenno escape, but HOW exactly did they do it? was it something to do with the lotus firing the blast them? The scene of the multiple tenno dying during tnw makes sense now (a means of representing the timeloops ending) it is also said that the tenno can only be freed by a paradoxical outside assistance (was it wally, maybe not drifter after all?)

The deal is most likely referring to the tenno being supposed to retrieve wallys missing fingers. WITW states that wally is confined to the strand of khra (khra meaning ''time'' in voidtongue) because he isn't entirely whole.

I'm curious what everyone else thinks. Similar to "party of your lifetime," it's an obvious earworm that could be taken with several meanings. On the surface, the great despair sounds like your standard breakup song with the singer pining after his lost love and how her absence has caused him to weep, but could the other meaning be the infection singing to the Tenno or just masses in general hurt that they won't accept their "gift" and become part of the hivemind, so it's perceived as being rejected? What do y'all think? 

I've been looking at their pics and noticed that Eleanor has a weird transaction between the skin of her face and the suit. Almost as if the suit fused with her. Is it somehow related to her having a long tongue?

When it comes to Warframes, it's easy to assume that Tenno are directly controlling the Warframe while they are transferred into them. Yes, I know the Warframe moved in the second dream but that was a rarity.

However, it's less clear to me with the protoframes. When you're controlling one, they speak as if they are still in control and the Tenno are in the back seat. I'm hoping DE explains this in the quest.

What do you think?

They’ve made it clear that the first iterations of Warframes are autonomous (Rhino, Jade), but what about the ones we own?

As I understand it, the ones we collect are effectively exact replicas of the original, created molecule by molecule in the foundry.

Why does this kill off or dull the sentience that we’ve seen?

It continues TODAY!!!

Creator of "The" Google doc here
but my previous posts got deleted or something?

I tried to put the timegated confusion into a video as good as possible
but the ARG continues in a few hours!!!!

Cause i use to think that each frame belongs to their own tenno. I know about the sacrifice plot where some frames are sentient. What im trying to understand is the the tenno just a battery to the frames or are frames helping to channel the tennos powers?

This is very much spinfoil theory and has a high chance of being wrong, but still I want to know what people more adept with the lore think of it:

While we don't have a direct translation for Mara, from context given in game as well as in dev insights, it is highly likely to mean something like Child, or Born (as in the suffix, in this example Voidborn). This is mostly based on Rebecca mentioning that the Operator is referred to as Mara in quest scripts. However, given where we encounter these words it makes sense. Wally uses them to address us when It appears at the end of the New War quest, and Tagfer says them when he sees us in the Sanctum prior to activating the Jahu Gargoyle.

The only place where it doesn't fully make sense to encounter them is in the Hoelvania Mall, where Eleanor says: "What the hell is a 'Mara Lohk' ?". Now, it is of course possible that she read our thoughts and in that moment these words came up. However, I doubt that this is all there is to it. I have three theories as to why she might know them:

The first is that she heard them from Albrecht himself. This is the more likely theory, as she is a mind reader after all, and a benevolent Void being appearing in the sanctum to help fight the Wall was a central part of Albrechts plan. The reason why this is still a stretch is the fact that, according to Loid (and all other sources thalking about it), Voidtongue is largely untranslated, save for the Reqiuem Words. We also don't know if Albrecht ever heard them before he went to 1999, as the first time we encounter them is a good while after Albrecht departed. And even if he heard them before, there would still be the question as to why he would know the translation for Mara, given that he likely has none of the context clues that we got.

The second theory is more of a stretch, but would have slightly bigger implications: Eleanor has somehow heard the Wall. We knot that It has some sort of mind reading ability (given that It adressed Albrecht as "Little Bengel" when first encountering him). We also know that Orokin tech runs on Void energy, so we can assume that the same is true for the machine that sent Albrecht back in time. That would mean that there was some form of Void energy that was brought to 1999, which would also explain why Wally knows where Albrecht is, and with that Void energy, a tiny shred of the Wall could have leaked into the year. Not enough to grant It any real power, but enough to, if It truly has psychic powers, be picked up by Eleanor (I told you in the beginning, much spinfoil in this one). Now, as she is not frantically trying to convince the others that they need to prepare for the arrival of the Wall, it probably wasn't much, and probably only picked up subconsciously. The main thing that this would change is the importance of Eleanor in the story, as that would mean that she is the primary asset we have when it comes to knowing what the Wall plans. I personally think this theory is extremely janky, feel free to tear it appart.

The third goes into the same direction as the second, but a bit broader (and even heavier influencing the set up for the story of 1999). We know Eleanor is the only one aware of our presence in the Mall. Now, here we have an interesting situation. We as players might be in the mall, but what is happening in game is probably not what we as players see. As the other Hex don't react to our physical presence, it is safe to assume that we are not "there" in our frames, but more in a extra-corporal form. Call it astral projection, void dreaming, Transferrence, we don't know exactly how. What we do know is that Eleanor can detect us. However, she can do actually more than just that: We know that she sees the "Three-faced Godess", someone that is in all likeliness the Lotus/Natah/Margulis. We also knows that she can see the events from the teaser ("Blood. There's going to be a fight. Something... bursting. Crossed swords. Arthur!"), that she knows that this isn't the first itteration of 1999 ("Oh, you're going to make such a difference this time around."), and that she knows of the duality of the Operator/Drifter ("I thought there were going to be two of you! Where's the other one?"). This makes half of her quotes related to things that haven't happened yet (for her) or in a completely different timeline (depending on wether or not the 1999 we travel to is "our" 1999 or a parallel one). This basically means that, with the current information we have, there is good chance that she can not only read minds, but actually pierce through the veil of Eternalism; something only the Wall, or individuals influenced by it, were capable of before. This either means that she is immensly more powerful than we previously thought, or, and this is the part that would actually heavily alter the story setup, she has been influenced by the Wall. This would mean that It has already managed to get there prior to December 31st, 1999, and either directly interacted with Eleanor (like It did with us), or maybe uses her as a unknowing spy, which in turn allows her to glimpse parts of our time line. Either way, this would mean that we are already at a severe disadvantage, and have likely less time than we originally thought.

Closing words: I know that this is some logical gymnastic on olympic levels, so tear into it as much as you want. Alternatively, if you have some knowledge of the lore or things said by DE that might corroberate this theory, I would also be very happy about these things, as I am very sure that I don't know all the things we were given already, lorewise or in hints/previews/discussions from the devs.

I’ve noticed that Wally’s appraisals come when something can be returned to the void.

Specifically, the first time we see the man is when we either consume or throw away the kuva. Kuva is theorized or confirmed to be some amount of void, and Wally dislikes any option where the kuva is removed from our persons.

Additionally Wally’s decision to include the grimoire, and the repeating of “we end as we began” leads me to believe that the deal the kids and Wally made was thus:

The kids will get to go home to their families. And they will return all the void relics and items to the void.

And Wally’s reasoning may be that, in its current state, it’s in pain.

My reasons are that it’s focus on albrect, the vessels, and the Cavia may be due to the fact they moved between the void and perhaps bent it out of shape with time travel or absorbed some of it. Thus they keep pulling it away from the void.

Additionally Wally doesn’t seem to care when the Tenno save the holdfasts for becoming angels, nor when the angels, it’s supposed servants, are denied from “carrying out its will”.

As well, the description of duviri as a palimpsest, as I think that meant some type of wound, and also the only other place that Wally invades.

Another time Wally shows up is after the finger is added to the railjack. Additionally in new war, perhaps Wally is the one that closes the portal ballas made. But then why, if it want the universe, why would it let the portal close. If it wants to return the void to the void it starts to make sense.

I will say I can’t remember all the evidence I’m useing and their might be bits that refute my idea.

Ones like these stuff where the more u go down the more crazy stuff about the game and lore you find

I recently replayed the deadlock protocol and I wanted to ask a few questions. Both are regardging the time travel we experience in the last stage. Is it actually in accordance with the rules of eternalism that are introduced in later quests? Also how exactly did Parvos escape if we got rewinded to the point in which nef starts the self destruction sequence? Wouldn't his escape also never happen, just like the fight with protea?

Note - I put the "Potential Spoiler" flair instead of Question because Zariman and Wally are both major plot points.

So, basically my question is what actually made the Zariman children so special to Wally?

In the 7th Requiem quote - Netra (decay) - of Albrecht, he mentions that many people after him have ventured into the void but no one else saw that man, trapped in the wall.

"And it swelled larger in the latter days: the regal domes, the Rail dedications, the unholy Zariman parade. I had put the stars within reach, but at what cost? I never spoke of him, that man, trapped in the wall. And while there have been countless souls who have followed me through, with their light-skippers, and field-wave skins and vari-eyed instruments... not a single one ever saw him."

So far, we know that there are only two incidents in history where Wally directly initiated the communication with humans. The first one being Albrecht's void jump accident which paved the paths for Void technology and second one being the Zariman ship which was made to colonize the Tau system.

Albrecht mentions that many countless lifeforms have travelled through the void and no one saw Wally. Also, Even amongst the people aboard the Zariman, Wally doesn't save the adults but only the Zariman children who later come to be known as Tenno, I am also thinking that it was wally who made the adults go feral presumably to force children to make that deal with him.

We already know that the Zariman children didn't have Tenno powers before the Zariman void jump incident, so what exactly made them special? What are your speculations/theories?

I thought without the tenno the Warframes were uncontrollable beasts because of the trauma of the infestation, like Rhino Prime was pulverizing people and trying to eat them. But after Dagath got turned into a Warframe by her orokin abusers she was just catatonic? Was this catatonia the extent of her madness? And even after her abusers try to kill her a second time she even reasonably talks with Grandmother instead of just chopping first. Maybe the fact that she was on death's door when Ballas warframeized her had something to do with it?

Or it could just be a spooky naberus story from Meemaw ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So its been lore for a long while that Kavats are basically immune to the Infestation, that's why we can find perfectly healthy wild ones roaming the Deimos derelicts, and why the infested 'cat' pets are actually infested foxes.

Its a bit strange that out of all life found in the Origin System, only kavats are immune. Not humans, not kubrow, not plants, and probably not bacteria. Some strains are even capable of subsuming metal and stone.

So my maybe crackpot theory: When Albrect traveled to the past and unleashed the infestation upon humanity for 'reasons', he had edited it somehow to make sure Kalymos would be safe in all the chaos.
We know that changing things in this version of the past can change things in our current reality, like how we spawn the Coda in the past to fight it in the future. So this edited version of the technocyte is somehow the strain that all modern ones stem from, so all modern technocyte is hardcoded to ignore all kavat based biomass.

Pagers going off again and its an ad for BigBytes Pizza, probably related to the ARG

So if sentients reproduce asexually, which we likely see in murex ships (black goo puddles where enemies spawn from) and their culture developed pretty much independently from human one why do they have the concept of gender?

I specifically talk about the way Natah refers to Hunhow and Praghasa, who she calls 'father' and 'mother' respectively. How can she even have two parents?

Speculations about Cavia and Wally - TLDR at the end.

Since the whispers in the walls update dropped, I have replayed some of the main story line quests and I have noticed some events happening through them which have led me to speculate that Cavia might be wrong about Wally.

There are two things in particular which have led me to believe that Cavia might be wrong about the Indifference aka Wally.

The first thing, which I think Cavia is wrong about, is Wally being confined to the strands of Khra. There is a quote from Fibonacci which reads,

"So long as the Indifference is missing a digit it is confined to the strands of Khra."

Now, from what we know, Khra is voidtongue for Time.

Now, there is a one main reason that makes me think that this is not the case- If being "confined" means that he can't alter the timelines or access different versions of it- is the sequence during "The New War" quest, there comes a point where drifter and operator can't only meet each other but even meet each other not only in the Zariman but for a short period where they shake hands (multiple tenno versions collapse and suddenly operator and drifter are shaking hands) which I think is Wally's doing. And we know already that Wally lost his digits during Albrecht's voidjump accident meanwhile the Zariman/new war incident is post-Albrecht accident.

Also, we see Operator and Drifter being present simultaneously with Lotus during Lotus Eaters quest and where?- That's right- the place which is one of the strongholds of the Indifference.

Hence, I think that Wally isn't confined to the strands of Khra (or Strands of Time, if you will).

As to why the Indifference couldn't follow Albrecht in 1999, I think the Indifference chooses to not follow him into year 1999. We already know that Wally only appears to people when he wants. You can't go to him, he comes to you.

The second thing that Cavia - Tagfer, in particular - might be wrong about the Indifference is him being lonely and him being ignorant (he does not say that but is implied.)

"Whatever Papa touched, the Indifference, the Murmur, I think it's lonely. It wants to be a part of what we've got going on. Only, it doesn't know that. And it does its best to join in, but it's clumsy. Ignorant. So everything about it is... skewed. Half-assed. You follow?"

There are two things that indicate that Wally can gain access to anyone's consciousness/ memories. He has called Albrecht "Little Bengel" and calls us "Hey, Kiddo!". This also makes me think that Wally has some deep connection to Kuva and Kuva might be ultimately Wally's doing/his tool. Also, Wally has a massive grin on his face whenever he meets us, seems to me he knows exactly what he is doing.

Another thing that strikes me is one of the lines from Chains of Harrow quest. One of the Rell's line is,

"He is listening. He knows what you are doing. It only makes him stronger."

This potentially could mean that Wally is never unaware of us. I also think that Wally's is basically toying with us like a game of tag but only he pretends he wants to catch us and basically he wants us to run to as many as different places as possible so that he may gain more exposure and eventually many more things may fall under his influence.

TLDR; 1. I don't think Wally is confined to strands of Khra, reasons being an incident during New War. He only doesn't follow Albrecht to 1999, because he chooses to.

2. I don't think Wally is either lonely or ignorant. He can access to consciousness/memories of people (Albrecht and our Tenno as two examples). One of the Rell's lines and quest itself implies this.

3. Wally is toying with us and wants more exposure, so he can have more toys to toy with.

4. Wally has some strong relation to Kuva. This is implied during the War Within quest, where he smiles if operator drinks the kuva but if operator wastes it he says, "Remember, you owe me Kiddo." ( Or something similar).

Thanks for reading. Also, I am interested in what you guys think.

with Warframe 1999, we know that there was a "modern era" of sorts at some point in the Warframe universe. but how far into the future do the current events of Warframe take place exactly? I've seen a lot of different numbers, from a couple thousand years to 30,000+. is there even a way to tell?

I am perplexed as to why I can use transference and control my Operator when in the undercroft sections during the quest. It doesn't make sense at all!

We see a cutscene where the Drifter learns to control a warframe using the powers from Lotus' hand, meaning the warframe that goes into the undercroft is Drifter controlled. If able to use transference, it should be the drifter that hops on not the Operator.

Am I missing something or is this a known oversight from the developpers when they released the quest?

Something which really bothers me is that there don't really seem to be a lot of population centers in the solar system which aren't corpus or grineer strongholds. We have Ostron, Fortuna and whatever the Glast Gambit outpost are, but those are tiny villages by any account.

Especially the Corpus however seem like there would be a classic scifi towering city somewhere, and their entire culture seems to hinge on having loads of people in debt and having massive amounts of cashflow all around, yet we haven't seen or even heard of any of it (as far as i could tell).

This kind of makes the system feel a bit empty. What are the tenno fighting for if the smattering of small colonies worth saving would basically fit into the orbiter and could just go elsewhere?

I kind of hope DE are planning on making an urban tileset to illustrate this in the future. 1999 is showing they could do it to some degree.

From what i've seen despite Corpus executives making possibly billions of credits They Only ever seem to spend those credits on furthering their business Instead of any kind of luxury nef anyo, Alid v, Granum and every other shadow investor we've seen We've never seen them lazing around What other people do all the work around them So is the corpus entirely focused around efficiency?Like it's not even just trying to send money to the executives for the shake of luxury like businesses irl

So i played the Man in the Wall quest today and i gotta ask.

Are there 2 of them now?

I am a bit Confused what this quest was about. Why did they need to do that Kalymos sequence?

Whats the Goal of the Man in the Wall?

Is there a master list of void tongue words? Ones that are known and have been figured out? I really like the man in the walls language and want to study more about him.

"Whatever Papa touched, the Indifference, the Murmur, I think it's lonely. It wants to be a part of what we've got going on. Only, it doesn't know that. And it does its best to join in, but it's clumsy. Ignorant. So everything about it is... skewed. Half-assed. You follow?"

I love this Tagfer quote. It made me think more about Wally's point of view in all of this.

Imagine being an eternal and infinite being forever trapped in your own lonely universe. You are the only thing that exists and you are everything that exists. Until one day, something new, something alive appears. You have never seen anything like that. You had never seen anything at all before. So you try to interact with it in but you dont know how. So you copy it, you try to look exactly like it, to try to understand it. You try to play games, unknowingly making it and everyone around it feel nightmares. But you are just trying to understand this new and infinitely complex world you now have access to.

Something so vast and eternal like the void would never understand the grief the lifeforms in our universe have. And it cant figure it out even after copying us. So it lashes out and gets frustrated, because we dont understand it, and it cant understand us.

It's in a way the opposite of eldrich horror, the horror we would feel when exposed to merely the normal existance of a higher being. All of that information so different and impossible to understand wouldnt fit in our brain. But this is the opposite because it is how an omnipotent being would not understand regular insignificant lifeforms such as us, our grief, happiness and suffering. So it tries to play with us and hurts us with its infinite strength, it tries to understand us and scares us by looking exactly like us, it tries to make us understand it and gives us existential grief by making us way smarter that we were made to be (like the cavia).

It is impossibly big for us to understand and we are impossibly small for it to understand.

Of course we can fix all of this with infinitley big damage numbers.

The Orokin were incredibly vain and obsessed with their appearance being as close as possible to the Orokin version of the ideal perfect body. I know the deformed part sentient, part Orokin body was necessary for deceiving Natah and the operator into believing Ballas was Erra’s slave, but why didn’t he utilize continuity when the deception was no longer necessary? Especially since his goal was to be worshiped and loved as a god?

The Orokin seemed to despises anything that looked ugly or hideous, and it’s not like the Kuva required for continuity was in short supply either.

Why are they blue? Why is Albrecht is the usual human colour? Is Loid an orokin too?