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This post's original is from here.
Main idea of the analysis:
Like, my dad speaks 29 languages because:
This is a dangerous trick for readers who operate according to the mechanism: first bend the truth a little, then let irrational, lazy fact-checkers bend the rest, then keep this twisted truth alive as long as possible for it to become true. This trick is used a lot in media censorship because of its effectiveness.
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Structure of the analysis:
Consists of 2 parts:
1 - Fact-check from what the Communist Party of Vietnam said
2 - Fact-check from what UNESCO says
3 - The truth about Vo Dong Giang's letter
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Full analysis:
1 - Fact-check from the Vietnamese communist side says:
If you look up the keyword "ho chi minh unesco" from Vietnam's IP, the Vietnamese Communist press dominates all of the first results, not even seeing the official page of UNESCO. This shows that the Vietnamese Communist Party has put very strong SEO resources in the country to propagate the importance of Ho Chi Minh City to UNESCO.
Continuing, if you search for a more specific keyword "ho chi minh danh nhân văn hóa thế giới" (world cultural celebrities) you will see up to 93,200 results using this word and most of them belong to official agencies of the Vietnamese Communist Party, even mentioning it specifically, is "the 21st world cultural celebrity".
First, check what UNESCO officially calls "danh nhân văn hóa thế giới" (world cultural celebrities) in English:
Each place translates differently and there is no source from UNESCO talking about this title!
=> UNESCO does not have any award title called "Danh nhân văn hóa thế giới" ("World Cultural Celebrity")!
Continue, look up the keyword "list of honored individuals by UNESCO" and you will not find a UNESCO list of these individuals (which means the number 21 is somehow counted by the Vietnamese Communist Party). .
What's more interesting is, any result with the words "UNESCO honors..." comes from Vietnam! but even UNESCO does not use this word honor!
Let's try to ask ChatGPT to see what the answer is:
Because this list could not be found:
=> "21st" is counted by the Vietnamese Communist Party to create the feeling that this list is real.
This trick of pretending to invent specific information to create a sense of credibility is very common. For example, a US investigative detective once threatened a suspect, "Tell me honestly because the US Government has advanced satellites that can take pictures through walls and see the shapes of residents inside the house. Therefore, just by comparing that appearance and the testimony, we can determine the lie", this clearly has more weight than the old saying "tell the truth, we know everything".
Thus, UNESCO does not have the title "World Cultural Celebrity" and there is no list of these people, so the Vietnamese Communist Party took information about this "21st world cultural celebrity" from where?
The Vietnamese Communist press relies on a document called:
Documents of the 24th meeting of UNESCO, held from October 20 to November 20, 1987
This document has Document code: 24C
The part that CSVN uses is the proposed section 18.65 so CSVN records it as 24C/18.65
This is an official document from UNESCO, anyone can read it directly or download it:
=> Thus, the only document that the Vietnamese Communist Party issued was Proposal No. 18.65 in UNESCO's meeting documents, coded 24C. Note: This is just a suggestion, not a decision!
Let's start with the UNESCO side.
2 - Fact-check from UNESCO side says:
This document records the content discussed at that meeting.
Scroll down to section 18.6 (located on page 140 in PDF pages), this section talks about proposals to Member States and the Director-General of UNESCO on celebrating the birthdays of certain people proposed by countries themselves. .
From sections 18.62 to 18.67 are proposals from 6 countries about 6 people who should celebrate the anniversary, including Ho Chi Minh, located in section 18.65 (page 142) as cited by the Vietnamese Communist Party.
=> So here we know that Section 18.65 in UNESCO's document 24C is a suggestion and request, it is not a announced decision at all! So are the words in this proposal written by UNESCO? Did UNESCO see Ho Chi Minh as a great man and wrote so themselves?
3 - The truth of Vo Dong Giang's letter
We all know that to win awards like music and movies, we don't just have to sit in one place and someone will come and invite us to the podium and present the awards, but we ourselves have to apply to attend the awards first, then The new board reviews the applications and they begin their evaluation.
To be recognized by UNESCO, countries must submit proposal documents. So there must definitely be a proposal from Vietnam, but UNESCO cannot come to Vietnam on its own!
Then we will look into the documents prepared before this 24th meeting to see if there is such a proposal.
Absolutely such documentation exists:
Preparation of the provisional agenda of the twenty-fourth session of the General Conference
This is evidence of documents read directly and downloaded from UNESCO
This document contains content to prepare for the meeting. For example, in section ADDENDUM 2 (Appendix No. 2) (page 34 in PDF) is a letter from the Permanent Delegation of the Netherlands to the Director General of UNESCO.
In section ADDENDUM 3 (page 35), it is about a letter from Vietnam.
And here is the full text of the letter (on the next page 36) with both English and Vietnamese versions:
=> Do you find the words in this letter familiar? Because the words in this letter were later copied and pasted verbatim into Proposal No. 18.65 in Document 24C earlier! UNESCO never wrote it! How can UNESCO check whether HCM is "outstanding and heroic" or not and compose those words?
=> So, UNESCO has followed the correct process of "you are a member, you have the right to propose - I will put your proposal up to submit - and it's up to everyone to approve it or not", content is to implore members and Directors to celebrate the 100th anniversary of Ho Chi Minh's birth in 1990!
=> So, in 1990, did anyone organize a celebration? There is no one, you can't find any photos or documents proving that UNESCO and its member countries followed that request :)
=> So, in the end, there is no "WORLD cultural celebrity" like the Communist Party of Vietnam who fabricated and put words into UNESCO's mouth! Yet they used a birthday request letter to push that lie into generations of children, students, all Vietnamese people for more than 30 years! This is what they wrote more than 30 years later :
=> Isn't this a petition? As for these words, it was Vietnam who wrote the request, not UNESCO!
=> They wrote as if the meeting that day was solemnly dedicated to Ho Chi Minh, HCM was the center of the meeting?!? While it's just a small section near the end of the proposal "Everyone, please celebrate my grandfather's birthday next time"?!?!
=> If we organize a general fact-check of everything the Vietnamese Communist Party has written in history books and newspapers over the past decades, will it take 100-200 years to check all these distortions?
Another interesting fact is:
If you look at item 18 of document 24C, you will see that along with Ho Chi Minh there are 5 other people:
But then, of all these people, only Jawaharlal Neru was specially honored by UNESCO when a medal was cast in his memory in 1989. However, UNESCO only wrote about him:
"Recognized his scholarly works as part of the world's cultural heritage" but did not give him the title of "World Cultural Celebrity" at all!
The only person on the proposed list that year was honored by UNESCO
If you still don't feel convinced, the Head of the "UNESCO campaign to honor Nguyen Du" committee has officially responded: UNESCO does not have the title of world cultural celebrity.
And that person suggested that this way of calling should be changed to another name (perhaps because he had worked with UNESCO so he clearly understood that calling it so was nonsense and had no official basis), but the Vietnamese communists, for the sake of The purpose of indoctrination has been disregarded.
This is from Vietnam's official newspaper:
https://tienphong.vn/unesco-vinh-danh-nguyen-du-nhu-the-nao-post628354.amp
https://tienphong.vn/nen-goi-ho-la-vi-nhan-van-hoa-post759750.amp
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