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Finished season 4! (opinions)

OK, wow, I just finished season 4 and what a way to further redeem the show after season 3! I LOVED it.

The bombing storyline, although having already been done with Beav, was done well enough to keep me invested. You could tell right off the bat that the scope (and the budget) of the show was heavily increased. Neptune felt like a REAL, vibrant town. I think the original series did a decent job of this as well, but mostly stuck to the same locations. We never really got to see Neptune as a whole, its politics, random citizens, etc. It just felt more real. And because of that, I think it helped me get more invested in the mystery of it. This was a real place with real issues. I don't think a story with that scope could've worked in the original series run. The twist was not season 2 level, I mean I don't think anything could top that, but I continued to question myself until the very end if Penn was the bomber or not. Especially after Big Dick admitted to the Sea Sprite bombing so early on. He was sympathetic enough to keep doubting myself, and I'm just glad it wasn't Don. That could've been a real let down as it was too obvious and we didn't really know him.

Now let's talk the characters... I think one thing this show has ALWAYS been consistent about is Veronica and Keith. My love for both of them just increased so much this season. Seeing how much Veronica cared for Keith, telling him to sell out if he needs to as long he gets medical help, was just such a good moment. I loved Veronica's arc this season, I feel like it was very realistic for her character to want bad boy Logan back and then learn to accept him as he was, especially since that's one of the main reasons she left Piz to get back with Logan (which still bothers me btw I loved Pizonica). But surprisingly this season actually made me like Logan a lot more than I used to. I never disliked Logan, save for the beginning part of season 1, but he was never a favorite. I think this season bumped him up a few notches for me. I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I've always preferred the nice guys over the bad boys, so I wasn't a fan of him and Veronica. But I think this season, seeing the change and maturity, made me warm up to their relationship a bit more. I still would've preferred Duncan, Piz, or Leo but I am now okay with them being together. Hell, I'll even say I like them together. I won't deny that I hoped that dream sequence with Leo was real, but I love that it showed the realism that yeah, even when you are in a loving relationship, you still fantasize about other people. It's whether you do something about that fantasy or not that truly tests your loyalty, and Veronica showed she was loyal until the end.

It was great to see Wallace, Dick, Weevil, and even Parker back which I wasn't expecting! Poor Dick lost everyone but his mom and I wish we could've sene his reaction to his dad's death. Also, everytime I heard a knock at the door at Veronica's house (which happened a lot) I was half expecting Mac to show up. Still a letdown we didn't see her. Weevil really made me love him even more this season, however. Him and Veronica quarreling was entertaining, especially since they're my 2 favorite characters of the series, and seeing how much Weevil cares about her is so wholesome. He's such a good guy, through that whole tough guy act.

As for the new characters, I surprisingly found them very charming as well! I liked Matty, she was a welcome inclusion to the show. Watching Veronica go from slightly threatened to proud at her intelligent protegee was fun, as was her friendship with Nichole. Still mad about that friendship loss, Veronica really messed up there, but it was something her character needed. She's been doing this her whole life, an invasion of privacy, and it's time she finally learned how exactly that stuff affects people. Very unfortunate because I loved Nichole too, I think she was probably my favorite new character as she just matched Veronica's energy so well. My favorite scenes were of her and Veronica getting plastered, smoking Weed, etc. I'm so happy they didn't try to make Veronica squeaky clean and showed us that, yeah, she parties just like most other young people. As someone also in the young adult phase, it was super relatable. The vibe this season put off was immaculate, young adult Veronica is awesome. Also very upset that Clyde and Keith didn't stay friends. While I get it, I really liked Clyde and their friendship. I felt bad for him, it really sounded like he liked Keith, but I get why he couldn't allow himself to be friends with a criminal.

Now for the ending... Wow. I kind of expected something to happen when they fixated on what Penn said, and once I saw the text I figured out exactly what was gonna happen next. I half expected Veronica to warn him in time, but when she didn't, my jaw dropped. Like actually my mouth was hanging open and I was just left dumbfounded. What balls to kill off one of the most beloved characters of the series, and breaking off the most loved relationship as well. I knew s4 was polarizing and I think now I know why. Personally, I loved this. Yes, me not being the biggest fan of Logan or LoVe probably plays a huge part in why this didn't bother me too much, but also I think it was an important event for Veronica's character. It was clear from her talk with Logan that she was tied to Neptune because of him and her dad. With Keith all better and Logan dead, she was able to once again break free from the choke hold Neptune has on its citizens and leave. Go do something else and get away from the toxicity the town exudes. I believe this fixes what bothered me about movie Veronica the most. She chose to leave her good life, her good relationship, for Logan's toxicity, for the town's toxicity, despite everyone telling her to turn tail. This brought it around full circle and showed her that Keith was right, she can't be in Neptune holding herself back. It sucks, because I liked Logan's development this season, but I think it was beautifully done. Her driving off into the sun was a masterful shot and made me a bit teary eyed. It was a tasteful send off to Logan's character with the email at the end, and I'm glad we got this ending. Unfortunately, not many fans are keen with their favorite relationship being torn apart and it saddens me that a lot of the fandom hated such a great story arc just because of that. And that we won't get a season 5 because of it as well. A part of me is still holding on hope, but I won't hold my breath. I genuinely believe this season, and the movie to some extent, saved the series for me after the train wreck that was season 3. I'm very happy I didn't allow the hate for it to get to me. Seeing a lot of posts with titles like "I hate season 4" was scary, but I made it a point to never read them for spoilers sake. But it definitely made me nervous going into it. I was expecting a boring, all-over-the-place season with terrible writing, but boy was I wrong! I was hooked until the end and the writing is some of the best the show has had in a long time. Overall, one of my favorite seasons of the entire series.

Overall ranking would probabaly be:

Season 1 > Season 4 = Season 2 > The Movie > Season 3.

I might give a slight edge to season 4 over season 2 tho just because I think Beaver's reveal, although mind blowing, was poorly done. They could have written him better instead of destroying his character by making him just plain evil. I don't think anything tops season 1 tho, it was a slow-burn but nearly perfect.

TLDR: I actually loved s4 😱

Edit: Was hoping for more discourse but damn me for being born Rob Thomas 😅

6 Comments
2024/03/15
01:13 UTC

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Ci sarà una 5a stagione di Veronica Mars?

La quarta serie finisce con lo spiraglio di un proseguimento ma Hulu's non sembra dello stesso avviso.

17 Comments
2024/03/14
14:53 UTC

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grace being abused by her parents

was there ever an explanation about why meg's parents were crazy and kept locking grace in a closet? was it a cult thing? why did they lock her up when her siblings were home?

if the answer is that they r just evil crazy people though i get it

13 Comments
2024/03/13
00:20 UTC

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who were you most disappointed in?

as in, during a mystery of the week, or even a longer arc i guess, who were you most saddened by when it was revealed they were the perpetrator? most of the VM reveals are really satisfying, but some of them end up being characters we were rooting for

like i always hate the pizza boy mugging/outing episode reveal because i thought kylie seemed so cool! but forcing your own girlfriend out of the closet? borderline psychopathic behavior. also cassidy’s whole story in general, i got that he had issues but i did quite like him before the reveal and honestly i feel like that was a wayyyy more destroying and heartbreaking end than season 1

what about you guys

37 Comments
2024/03/11
03:42 UTC

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Cliff McCormack's intro scene I'm season 4 is an achievement in character introduction

Whatever you feel about season 4, the first scene with Cliff McCormack is a beautiful piece of work and an achievement in character introduction. It is a long ass uncut shot. The blocking in this scene as Cliff walks through the hospital is just perfect. Cliff's one second reaction/interaction with the different stuff and people around him as he walks through the chaos tells you everything you need to know about a slick semi-shady lawyer.

Ooh and the 'Mr. Finish Line' background music. Just too perfect. It feels like Cliff is dancing to the beat of the song as he moves along.

1 Comment
2024/03/10
02:33 UTC

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Unpopular opinion: I liked season 4

Hey y’all—

I just did a V Mars rewatch for the first time in forever. I know I’ve seen the first three seasons multiple times and the movie at least once. I thought I’d seen the fourth season but now I’m not sure I ever did.

I was lurking on here while watching and saw so much hate for the fourth season. While I can see that perspective, I actually liked it?

I liked the mystery! I liked the throw backs! I liked seeing the progression of all our mains.

In the movie, Veronica is constantly referring to both doing detective work and Neptune itself like an addiction. It seems really natural to me that she’s become such a toxic, black and white person in season 4.

Logan worked through so much of his trauma and Veronica seemed to find this weak. As much as they loved each other, once he became a stable person, the spark seemed gone. Honestly, I didn’t understand why Logan even wanted to stay with her let alone marry her.

I know a big complaint is Logan’s ending. But without it, I don’t think Veronica would ever even consider healing. She thinks her rage is her strength, even though it just keeps burning her world down. Without a definitive ending of this relationship, she would never look inward. Who knows if she actually will, but her visiting Logan’s therapist at the end felt promising.

I also feel like Veronica had wayyyy more chemistry with Leo in this season than Logan.

I loved Kirby Howell-Baptiste as Nicole. JK Simmons as Clyde. Loved how high the stakes got with the mystery. Finally seeing Big Dick get his. Loved Matty as the protege.

Idk, I honestly don’t really know how else it could have gone? I almost liked it better even as a mini series than the full 20 episodes with so many episodic mysteries.

I would definitely tune in for a season 5 if it were ever in the cards.

I definitely understand I’m the odd one out on this, I just wanted to give this season some love.

21 Comments
2024/03/10
01:00 UTC

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Tourism in Neptune

For a school assignment, I need to create a character to use in advertising a beach tourist town (it can be fictional) and I wanted to do Neptune, so what would your ideas be for a character to attract tourists to Neptune?

5 Comments
2024/03/09
06:41 UTC

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Any Duncan truthers out there

Doing my probably 5th or 6th rewatch, currently at the end of s1. I'm reminded that I've always felt Duncan was a more interesting and sympathetic character than Logan, who really just sucked a lot in the first season (and Teddy Dunn was hotter imo!). Anyone else agree in the year of our lord 2024??????

41 Comments
2024/03/05
03:57 UTC

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Rewatching after years

It's all on prime and it's been a good 7 years from when I last watched them all. And now I'm getting seriously annoyed with some of the decisions the characters are making.

I'm currently on season 2 And logan destroying the lilly tapes instead of just putting them in a safety deposit box and giving the key to Veronica or even Keith. Just dumb.

Weevil just assuming logan did it and jumping him on bridge after over hearing a call and didnt bother to check up the facts. That lead to everything that went down.

I understand its a TV show Now older and wiser it's grating on me.

11 Comments
2024/03/04
14:18 UTC

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I just finished the whole show and I’m pissed!

I mean the whole 3 seasons, the movie and the last season. Does Rob Thomas have like a sad end fetish?🥲 I think except the first season every other season (and the movie) to a certain extent ends with Veronica being worse off than before. But it was a great journey nonetheless. But next time, I swear I’m not seeing anything without a happy ending. Too depressed now.😭😭

59 Comments
2024/03/04
02:25 UTC

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Dear Mods.

How about a Team Vinnie user flair tag? Other than Weevil, I'd absolutely be on Team V! I'd go for a Team Cliff tag as well.

Veronica Mars.....I'm watching you.....prriiivvaateeee eyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Anyway, these are some of my favorite characters. How about y'all? I mean, besides the obvious main characters, there are all kinds of interesting folks on the show.

Dean O'Dell anyone?

7 Comments
2024/03/03
02:04 UTC

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VM actors on other big shows

I am binge watching Bones and got to the episode where Enrico (Keith) and Francis (Weevil) both appear, in nearly parallel roles to their characters on VM. What are the best “Hey that’s ________!” moments from seeing our favorites in other projects? How hard is it for you to unsee them as the VM cast?

99 Comments
2024/03/02
13:13 UTC

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Anyone smell bread?

Logan in season 1 was awesome. He started to suck early season 2.....3 he was a shadow of his former self.

I don't even consider the film or season 4 as canon. What happened to his character?

Y'all talk.

21 Comments
2024/03/01
15:35 UTC

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Realistic depiction of being poor

Anyone else absolutely love this about VM? As someone who grew up with little money, I adore shows with characters who also have visible financial struggles. They’re not impoverished, but they’re not well off. It’s not glamorized, it’s not dramatized, it’s just real.

Veronica and Keith eat powdered box mac n cheese and drool over the possibility of a steak dinner. They live in a crappy apartment where you can hear the neighbors thru the walls. She has to save up her own money for college, knowing it kills her Dad that he can’t help, and then bets it all on her Mom’s sobriety and loses. She talks frequently about not having money for X Y Z (ex Amelia’s hotel room) and needing to take on jobs just to make that extra cash.

You’re constantly reminded that Veronica is not wealthy, not in a ‘woe is me’ way, just in a matter of fact ‘this is how life is sometimes’ way. And I love that.

Bob’s Burgers also falls into this category, as does the show Maid (SO good if you haven’t seen it yet).

Any other TV shows with good depictions of being everyday poor that y’all can recommend for me?

63 Comments
2024/02/28
23:13 UTC

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Maybe unpopular opinion

Logan and Veronica had the best love story and the ending, albeit sad, made sense. Through the show, Logan has repeated one phrase, “Spanning years and continents. Lives ruined, bloodshed. Epic!” (Referring to their love story. The relationship did last many years, continents, ruined lives (on both ends), and his bloodshed. Additionally, they have never been together a full season. Season one they kiss at the end and it ends with them being together. But season two she dates Duncan half the season, is single half the season, and then doesn’t get back together with Logan till the very end. Then season three she and Logan break up halfway through and the series end with her with Piz. Then in the movie they get back together. Now, the entire time in season four they were together, so it only makes sense they have to end apart. I hated the ending. Logan was essential to the show and had been on it since day one. I think it’s really shitty that that was his end because I think he and Veronica finally deserved to be together. But I feel like it was foreshadowed the entire series.

21 Comments
2024/02/28
23:02 UTC

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Cindy Mackenzie & Madison Sinclair switched at birth - What should have happened next? Was Veronica wrong not to tell Madison?

What should have been a huge thing got largely swept under the rug. There was a moving moment between Mac and her birth mother, but no follow up. I would have liked to have seen them hug and agree to make up for lost time and become a permanent part of each others' lives. Good girl Mac deserved that.

What about bad girl Madison?

Yes, Madison behaved terribly - but surely she had a right to know the truth. For Veronica (and Mac) to hide the secret from Madison was pretty evil. I don't know if Veronica's silence about the birth swap was a form of payback? Did Veronica blame Madison for what Cassidy did to her? Veronica had every right to be angry over what happened to her following the drugged drink, but Madison genuinely did not know the drink had been spiked when she handed it to Veronica - and she certainly did not know what Cassidy was going to do next. As horrible as Madison could be at times, the only person responsible for Cassidy's actions was Cassidy.

Veronica was the hero of the show. As such, surely Veronica should have done the right thing and told Madison about her parentage?

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2024/02/27
12:22 UTC

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“Right here, right now”

I’m currently watching “spit and eggs” for probably the 10th time and my heart is pounding like I’m watching for the first time. And anytime I hear that song I have ptsd from this episode. Anyone else?

11 Comments
2024/02/27
01:38 UTC

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What's your favourite use of a song in the show?

99 Comments
2024/02/26
17:20 UTC

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Season 4 not ‘available’ on Amazon prime UK?

Just finished s3 last night but season 4 isn’t available for some reason!

So, two questions - does the movie come before s4 AND does anyone know where I can watch either/both of them?

Thanks!

19 Comments
2024/02/25
16:02 UTC

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The sea sprite

Recently finished a rewatch. Then started gilmore girls. In S4e17, rory stays at the sea sprite. And it looks like the same location that vm was filmed. Noticed and thought this group would appreciate it!

17 Comments
2024/02/25
07:37 UTC

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Just finished season 4 & Feeling kinda emotionally numb 😭

I guess I don’t have a lot to say… I cried that was a horrible ending, I can’t begin to understand why they chose to say goodbye to a beloved show in that manner & leave us there with that devastating image the last in our minds. Veronica & Logan’s whole life was just trauma on top of trauma with no relief to the very bitter end. 😔

If anyone went on to find some good alternative fix it fanfic stories that build on the story-line & breath life back into our beloved characters keeping them in character I would appreciate suggestions. Also shows that helped fill the VM void.

57 Comments
2024/02/24
23:51 UTC

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Finished season 3 and the movie for the first time (opinions)

I wanted to group these together in 1 post because the movie kinda feels like an epilogue of the 3rd season. Season 3 was not a bad season per sè, I mean Spit and Eggs is probably my favorite episode of the entire series (so far), but man was it a season of just squandered potential. One of the obvious ones being Dick's grieving of Cassidy. I was stoked after the first episode, seeing him in tears at Logan's place because I thought "Finally, Dick is getting some depth!" aaaand no. He spent most of the season the exact same with a slight expansion of it in the last 2 episodes. But damn, what a missed opportunity to have him grieve throughout the season and to have him and Mac interact more and form a bond. A Dick/Mac friendship was exactly what this season needed. I love when shows explore odd pairings (not unlike Steve and Dustin in Stranger Things) but nope the writers decided to go nowhere with it. And I'm not saying to completely change his character. Dick can still be Dick, but have him be more conscientious of people's feelings, especially his friends. His friendship with Mac could've been a way to integrate him more into Veronica's friendship circle and make them form a bond as well.

Another big missed opportunity was Weevil working with Mars Investigations. I thought showing Weevil's smart side was a great way to develop him. How awesome would it have been for him to become a kick ass PI Helper, eventually detective, helping Keith solve cases? I think he and Weevil could have had some brilliant moments together. Instead, it's trashed after 1 episode in favor of him becoming a janitor... How lame.

Then, towards the end of the season, I thought they were hinting at a gay storyline for Wallace with that guy following him. Now before the homophobes come in and tell me "Not everything needs to be gay!", I think Wallace's character needed something, ANYTHING new. He's been the "BFF into basketball" for a huge chunk of the show, when I know he can be a lot more. Having him struggle with his sexuality could've been an interesting thing to see and actually given him something to do. Instead we get a boring repeat of the Tritons from season 1.

And of course, I can't not mention the last episode which could have easily been an arc for at least half a season. It was an amazing episode but it could have been fleshed out so much more. Loved seeing Wiedman and Mr. Kane back.

The season peaked at Spit and Eggs and then became a nothing burger after. It was basically just love triangle drama with not much substance for any character. Hell, besides Logan, Keith, and Veronica, none of the characters actually felt like important characters. Some of them were gone for multiple episodes at a time (Mac's absence during the rape plot line was HEAVILY felt). They could have done so many interesting things with these characters but just completely dropped the ball.

The one upside was that they had the balls to end the show with Veronica and Pizz still together. I'm not a huge Logan x Veronica fan. Their on and off relationship became grating after season 2. So the fact they ended it that way made me so happy... And then the movie happened...

Don't get me wrong, the movie was so much fun. But goddamn it really felt like the ONLY reason it existed was to make sure Logan and Veronica got together in the end. My respect for the writers fell short after that. Pizz was such a sweet guy and his relationship with Veronica was so endearing. I was mad, needless to say. But, besides that I think the movie was pretty damn good. It tied up some loose ends and brought back a lot of characters I missed from the earlier seasons (poor Gia, Sacks, and knock-off Carrie Bishop) ... Except one that REALLY stuck out and was VERY bizzare.

Where the hell was Duncan? You can't take us on a trip through memory lane, bringing back characters from the first and second seasons, only to neglect such an integral character in those seasons? I've come to realize not many people care about Duncan in this subreddit but I loved Duncan. He was far from boring imo. I loved his slow progression from a deadpan, mellow guy in early season 1 to the explosive, manic guy we saw late season 1 when he stopped taking his pills. Teddy Dunn knocked both versions out of the park and it was such a slap in the face to leave him out. I'm not saying he needed to be important in the storyline, but even a small cameo would've done it. Like having him appear in a post-credit scene on a phone call or even a visit from Veronica where we can see they're still friends and keep in touch. But they straight up didn't even mention him.

Overall though it was a nice treat for fans, especially those of you who had to wait almost 10 years to get a satisfying conclusion to the story. Even I felt nostalgic watching it despite barely starting the show, I couldn't imagine how amazing it must've been to see it after such a long wait. I'd give the movie a solid 8/10 and season 3 a nice 6.5/10 (Spit and Eggs HARD carrying the season, otherwise it would've been lower).

Welp here's to season 4!

12 Comments
2024/02/23
11:29 UTC

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Just did a rewatch of 1-3 and starting 4 bc I’m a masochist…

I think many will agree this season can eat a bag of dicks, given Rob Thomas shat in our collective mouth.

But it did get me thinking, jumping off from the last episode of season 3, what would you do differently?

I’d have Veronica go into the FBI like the season 4 trailer-teaser made to entice the CW back in 2006. Logan would not have had a bizarre and unlikely 180 by becoming a fighter pilot and then military intelligence speaking Arabic on secret missions. He would have been successful in a lazy and sorta sleazy white male way (like the website business plan he made in season 3 re: asses). Piz never would have been resurrected.

That’s where I’d start.

25 Comments
2024/02/22
05:37 UTC

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What other shows do you like?

Other than this one obvs

49 Comments
2024/02/21
00:46 UTC

36

Theme Song

Watching The O.C. for the first time, episode 12 of season 1 starts with the Veronica Mars themes song.

12 Comments
2024/02/20
02:23 UTC

123

Which guest star gave the worst performance?

Follow-up question: which non-Paris Hilton guest star gave the worst performance?

76 Comments
2024/02/17
22:43 UTC

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Did anyone else feel like Veronica forgiving Duncan for sleeping with her when she was KO was unrealistic?

This has always bothered me and continues to for every rewatch I do. Veronica was furious with Logan when she thought he raped her; but then when she finds out that Duncan slept with her when she was drunk and completely out of it; him saying it was “consensual” even though she doesn’t remember anything about or agreeing to it always bothered me. I know the writers try to say he was under the influence with GHB, but Duncan remembers every minute of it; and didn’t seem upset that she was basically passed out. I never understood how quickly she could forgive him for doing that and not waiting until she was sober.

58 Comments
2024/02/17
09:23 UTC

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Why did Veronica think Logan killed Lilly over Duncan?

Every time I watch this I am always confused why Keith and Veronica believed Logan to be the killer over Duncan. I mean Duncan had the bloody uniform, no alibi, and his parents were willing to spend 1 million dollars to have someone falsely confess to protect him. Logan lied about his alibi but it seems the evidence is more in Duncan’s favor than Logan’s. Why were they so quick to jump to the conclusion that Logan was the murderer and stop suspecting Duncan?

8 Comments
2024/02/17
08:47 UTC

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When I pull the candy I wanted out of the bag

14 Comments
2024/02/15
23:24 UTC

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