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A place for images, links, and discussion relevant to the Tudor period. The Tudor period is defined as from the beginning of Henry VII's reign in 1485 to the end of Elizabeth I's reign in 1603. All history (economic, social, religious etc) and discussion of all types of people (monarchs, nobles, commoners) welcome. Submissions pertaining to the Wars of the Roses may be accepted or removed at the discretion of the mods.

The subreddit rules:

1) Only submissions directly relevant to the Tudor period will be allowed. Submissions about other historical time periods will be removed. Submissions about the Wars of the Roses are subject to the discretion of the mods.

2) Please do not assume everyone has a university level history education. Some explanation of events or brief description of people is advised.However, please don't be patronising.

3) Robust, healthy discussion is encouraged. BUT, comments which just attack other users and add nothing to discussion will result in you having one warning, and then being banned.

4) Sexism, racism, homophobia, anti-trans and other hate speech comments/submissions will result in a ban. It is OK to say "in Henry VIIIs time, women were thought of as inferior". It is NOT OK to say "women are inferior". If you have a brain, you'll know the difference.

5) No submitting gore, porn etc. Seriously, this is a history subreddit, why are you even contemplating putting that here.

6) No blogspam or blatant self-promotion (e.g "look at this book I just wrote").

7) This is NOT a subreddit just about the monarchy. This is a subreddit for discussion of all people who lived in the Tudor period and the historical ideas surrounding them.

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How would one define Margaret Beaufort's power in relation to her son Henry VII?

Did all her power come from her son being King? And because many supported her son as King (prior to his ascension)? Or because of how she was viewed as an individual and her own cunning and diplomacy skills? Did she yield power over political affairs through her son and how much say did she have over the state of affairs? Or was her main goal to grant herself autonomy?

I am not expecting any of these questions to be answered with a simple yes or no by the way, but I was having a bit of an alternate history thought:

Margaret did not see her son for several years prior to his ascension though they did oft write, and when reunited upon his ascention, famously had a very strong relationship.

But what if they hadn't had a strong relationship? Credit due to Margaret that I am sure she would have helped greatly in her son's ascension regardless, but what if when they reunited, their relationship wasn't as strong? I know it's an extremely specific question we'll never have an answer to, but I was just wondering how much of her power came from her direct and personal influence over her own son. Did they ever disagree on important matters (that we know of)?

And thinking of how their relationship is so different from say, Catherine the Great and Paul I (different circumstances I know, but being so distant and politically opposed is what I mean)

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2024/12/02
18:55 UTC

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In "The Tudors", we see royals handing out coins to the poor. How valuable were those acts of charity?

In The Tudors, we see Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn giving golden coins to the poor (two women comment on Anne giving them more than "the old queen"...). When Henry is on progress to the North, he tells a guard to give a coin to a little boy, and also hands out coins personally when he's "healing" people.

Did royals really do this and if yes, how valuable were those coins? Did they hand out e.g. a peasant's yearly income or was it more like sponsoring one good meal for their family?

8 Comments
2024/12/02
17:56 UTC

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Tudor places to visit

I want to plan a trip to England, what are some must see places to visit?

7 Comments
2024/12/02
17:07 UTC

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Born a few centuries earlier

Henry VIII was attracted to beautiful women, so if Elizabeth Taylor, for some reason, was born around 1500, would Henry seek her out as a mistress instead of Anne Boleyn? To make this realistic, Elizabeth is the daughter of an earl or duke.

17 Comments
2024/12/01
23:58 UTC

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Anne Neville biography?

I know she’s more Tudor-adjacent, but can anyone recommend a good nonfiction biography of Anne Neville?

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2024/12/01
21:24 UTC

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A murderer prince

Is there any truth in the rumors that Arthur Tudor was poisoned by his father so Henry viii could be king.

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2024/12/01
19:46 UTC

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Who is the oldest recorded first time mother in the Tudor Era? Are there contemporary women who could give Mary I (37) hope of conceiving an heir?

By modern standards, a first-time mother of 37 is older than average, but not unusual. One of my relatives had her first baby in the 1960s aged 41, which definitely did surprise people but was a completely natural occurrence after she had married in her late thirties.

Whilst we think of Late Medieval/Early Modern women all being married off aged 14, this is not true and most did not marry until they were well into their 20s. This was partly because the husband had to provide an income and support a wife - so the upper echelons of society could marry earlier due to familial wealth, but that doesn't mean they always did.

The examples I have been able to find, however, nearly all have women marrying by 30 if they were to have children. I've looked for examples of women Mary I would have been aware of, but they are slim pickings and ages arent precise, and of course prior miscarriages may have gone unrecorded.

The oldest I have found are:-

  • Maria de Salinas (38)
  • Catherine Parr (36)
  • Anne Boleyn (32)
  • Anne Hastings (31)

So by contemporary standards, Mary becoming pregnant would have been almost miraculous. Not unbelievable, but very unlikely, and increasingly so as she neared 40.

I am not a historian and this is far from a complete record; especially with my own family bucking this trend, I would love to know of any other examples amongst Mary's contemporaries.

There are stories in the Catholic Bible of women having children at extreme ages (Sarah at 90, Elizabeth at 88) which may have influenced Mary to hope for divine intervention, but the real question is how many non-miraculous first pregnancies reflected her situation?

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2024/12/01
17:48 UTC

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Wolf Hall 2

All of the comments on our history relating to race are justified,it puts me off watching anything authentic,let's keep it pure to our historical value. I could not be further from being racist,I just feel it's all becoming silly, stop ticking boxes.It just puts me off watching.

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2024/12/01
17:40 UTC

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Among the usurper kings in England. Who would the monarchs of England view as most valid? Who would they sympathize with the most?

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2024/12/01
17:23 UTC

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How much of Foxe's Book of Martyrs is real?

I was reading a book about the tudors that said that well it was propaganda a surprising amount of it even some of the most insane parts like babys being burned alive alongside there mothers was true.

3 Comments
2024/12/01
16:35 UTC

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Spoilers! But what did we think of the movie Firebrand?

Costumes and casting were perfect. The rest... I know how I feel, what do you guys think?

19 Comments
2024/12/01
15:52 UTC

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Buckingham’s Rebellion Succeeds?

In October 1483, Henry Stafford, the Duke of Buckingham incited a rebellion against Richard III with the support of Henry Tudor and Lady Margaret Beaufort after the final confirmed sighting of the Princes in the Tower in August 1483 and Richard III’s accession.

In real-life, the Duke of Buckingham’s 1483 plots failed and he was executed. Yet had Tudor and Buckingham successfully co-ordinated, would Henry VII’s earlier accession have a significant impact on historical events?

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2024/12/01
02:23 UTC

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A newly crowned Henry VIII is invited to a big event. Where he will get to meet previous english kings. The goal is to gain a few new friends. Which kings would Henry VIII be friends with?

All kings or future kings invited to the event is in their youth, late teens to early 20s.

Ursurpers, will be invited and presented with the status they had at that time (before taking the throne).

For example Henry Bolingbroke would not be Henry IV, he would be the Earl of Derby. He himself have zero ideas that he will be a future king. And he wont discover it either.

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Would guys like Henry IV, Henry VII and Edward IV feel intimidated to be surrounded by so many kings?

Would they have a harder time getting along with the other kings? Them not being of equal status? Or would that work better?

That they would maybe not have the same clash of egos? Beacuse they were not born to believe that the world centered around them.

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I think Henry VIII would gotten along with men like Edward(future IV).

And maybe other kings like Edward III and Henry (future IV) who liked to joust and have a good time.

A good balance with the big egos too.Two young kings and two men of high nobility, not sons of a king

Which kings do you think Henry VIII would get along with? Who would he want to be friends with?

21 Comments
2024/11/30
22:41 UTC

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What do you think of the suppression of Catholicism in England?

Unlike other counties in Europe, the Protestant Reformajron in England seemed pretty top down.

Henry VIII demanded that everyone go along with his new church, because the Pope wouldn’t grand him a divorce. He dissolved monasteries and convents, threw out priests and monks and nuns, and paved the way for the demolsihment of ancient areas of pilgrimage that had been in use since the Anglo- Saxon times.

Everyone talks about how corrupt the medieval church was. What group of human beings aren’t corrupt? It is true though that the Catholic Church took care of many poor people in England who were suddenly cast to the backroads and persevered a lot of ancient manuscripts that were lost for good.

While probably some good came out of Henry’s break with the church ( universal literacy comes to mind) there seems to be a lot of destruction of cultural heritage and customs. Ireland arguably would have been less brutally treated in the coming centuries if they and their English oppressors shared the same faith.

Any things? Was the near extinction of Roman Catholicism in England and Wales a good or bad thing?

17 Comments
2024/11/30
22:19 UTC

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Did Anne Boleyn really say something like this?

“You know, I sometimes wish all Spaniards were at the bottom of the sea. I care nothing for Katherine. I would rather see her hanged than acknowledge her as my mistress”

15 Comments
2024/11/30
21:59 UTC

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Tudor era related victims of smallpox.

Elizabeth I - Survived but was left scarred resulting in her use of lead makeup.

Mary, Queen of Scots - Survived and not scarred.

4 Comments
2024/11/30
20:45 UTC

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How would you rank all king Henry? In terms of their suffering and the feelings of regret they might have had when close to death?

Rank them

part 1 : who has suffered most in life?

part 2 : who would feel most regret when looking back at their life,? When they grew older, or when close to death.

Henry I Henry II Henry III Henry IV Henry V Henry VI Henry VII Henry VIII.

I think a few of them would not have felt very "fufilled" when near their death.

8 Comments
2024/11/30
15:22 UTC

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Real or fake

I've been reading The Seventh Wife of Henry VIII by Betty Yunis. When I first started reading it, I thought it would be about how Henry almost married Katherine Brandon. However, it started in 1509, a day before Arthur Tudor's and Henry's secret proposal to a lady called Elizabeth de Grey. Is this true?

6 Comments
2024/11/30
05:30 UTC

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The Princes in the Tower 1483(movie)

I watched this movie on YouTube, very bad quality could barley hear anything but I still found it interesting. In the movie it claims Edward was ill, which I had heard before but I couldn’t make out what they were saying about it. During flashback scenes warbeck pretending to be prince Richard, they showed Edward’s teeth falling out? Like I said it was such a bad quality version on YouTube so it was hard to hear at some parts. Does anybody know anything about Edward’s illness?

Also, Towards the end of the film, they mention King Edward IV had an acknowledge bastard named Arthur? Does anyone have more info on that?

11 Comments
2024/11/30
04:58 UTC

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Why do so many people on here have sympathy for Mary but not Elizabeth?

101 Comments
2024/11/30
03:58 UTC

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Edward V

I am aware that Edward V was a Plantagenet, not a Tudor. Yet I am curious as to how do historians view Edward V and if there are any scholarly opinions as to how his reign could have unfolded if Richard III had not chosen to usurp the Princes in the Tower? And how would the lives of his siblings unfold under a living Edward V?

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2024/11/30
01:49 UTC

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Which english King / Queen would fit best in Westeros? (Game of Thrones) Who would be able to navigate the political landscape the best?

Lets say "he" or "she" replace Robert Baratheon.

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My brain is trying to create a fanfiction..😅

44 Comments
2024/11/30
00:16 UTC

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Who was the most misunderstood figure in Tudor history?

32 Comments
2024/11/29
22:14 UTC

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My 14th great granduncle William Cecil, 1st Baron of Burghley. He was the chief adviser to reign of Queen Elizabeth I of England ("Who l am also related to through my mother paternal ancestor"). He was also the lord high treasurer and secretary of states

18 Comments
2024/11/29
19:47 UTC

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