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A place for enthusiasts of the traditional schools of archery from around the world.

Welcome to Traditional Archery.

A place for enthusiasts of the traditional schools of archery from around the world.

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A Note on asking questions.

This is not the place to ask broad and general questions, such as "I know nothing about traditional archery, what bow should I buy?".

Questions are welcome, but should be specific. It should be evident that you have done prior research. A more acceptable version of the above question would be:

"I've narrowed my search to the PSE Razorback and the Martin Jaguar, what are the pro's and cons of having a metal riser?"

or

"I'm trying to buy my first bow, but I don't understand what 'cut past centre' riser means."

In addition, please acknowledge helpful answers within a reasonable time frame. If people go out of their way to help, please do not be absent in the thread.

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Comprehensive List of Resources for Traditional Archery and Bowyery

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Where to buy Traditional bow?

Im new to archery and from norway, and im very intrested in history specifically Medieval history, if Anyone knows a website where i can buy a medieval style european bow and arrow.

3 Comments
2024/10/05
12:00 UTC

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Morrison Max6 Highest # Made?

I know the company has recently sold and is closed for a bit and I have a general question. I have Morrison Max6’s in 50#@28. I have seen some for sale up at 55#. I love mine and would love to find a set at #65. Did they make those? Are any ifl super recurves made past 60? Thanks!

1 Comment
2024/10/05
04:19 UTC

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Is there a good way to measure my draw limits?

Hello all,

I want to measure how much i can draw, i want ultimatly shoot a heavy warbow, but i will have to work towards it. At the moment i shoot a 40lbs and a 55lbs bow, but i can shoot both a full evening without feeling my muscles at all.

I was wondering if there is a way to measure how much i can draw (without going to a bowyers shop, which is far away from where i live)

I tied a piece of rope (non-elastic) to a handle and pulled as hard as possible on the measuring device on the other side (used for measuring bows) i ended up with +-68 lbs on the measuring device. The length of the rope was the same as a full draw.

Would that be a good way of testing my draw strength or do you have other/better ways?

2 Comments
2024/10/04
07:47 UTC

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Trad bow hunting

I've shot a compound for about 5 years and hunted twice. I want to start shooting a recurve but need some direction.

How does draw length work? Is it the same as a compound?

Weight at 28" draw would I want to shoot higher poundage for my 27" compound draw length?

Arrow weight with recurve? I shoot light and fast with a compound but I know recurve isn't about speed. What is a good weight for a traditional arrow?

I've been watching Tom clum videos and I'm gonna get a low poundage recurve to start. I'm also going to try to find a coach in my city to learn.

28 Comments
2024/10/03
15:40 UTC

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Asiatic Bow Recommendations for tall person

I am looking to get into thumb shooting asiatic bows. I am 6'5" and have a 31" draw when shooting Mediterranean draw, I believe you're supposed to add a few inches when you switch to thumb draw. I need recommendations that would accommodate my long draw length. I prefer the look of the tatar bows I've seen but most of them say max draw length of 31". I would also prefer fiberglass materials. Thanks for your advice!

16 Comments
2024/10/02
19:18 UTC

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Range day with the gremlin

9 Comments
2024/10/01
17:53 UTC

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Newbie Qs

Couple questions: do you unstring your bow after every use? If not, how long should I wait before unstringing? I’m trying to practice every day, but you all know how that goes!

Also, am I wasting my time shooting the arrows that came with my bow? I have some better, hopefully closer to final product arrows ordered, but I couldn’t help getting everything set up and flinging some arrows downfield! Should I at least be able to group the arrows that came with the kit??

Thanks everyone, super excited about my newest obsession! I’m sure I’ll be fletching my own arrows and building my own bow sooner than later lol.

7 Comments
2024/09/30
22:53 UTC

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I think I found it.. Now I need advice for the arrows

Hello everyone,

About 15 days ago, I asked for advice on a laminated bow, and I want to start by thanking everyone who helped guide me in my search. After exploring various options, I’ve finally decided on the Vègh Turkish bow. It fits my 32" draw, it’s beautiful, Armin approves, and there’s stock available!

Now, I’m looking for two things:

  1. Ray skin – there’s currently nothing to protect the arrow path.
  2. Arrows – I’m planning to get either the 37 or 40-pound version, which will put me around 50 pounds at my draw length, about 10 more than my fiberglass bow.

The bow requires 9–10 GPP, which is something I never paid much attention to with my Quinqhai. I used bamboo arrows from Alibow and later switched to carbon arrows from a Chinese seller, but I never really weighed them.

Now, I’m looking for 440 to 500 grain arrows. Where do you buy your arrows, and how do you make sure you hit your desired total weight? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

EDIT :

  • Bow is ordered, it is a 37# at 28

  • I contacted Sarmat Archery, They will contact me soon

Thanks again to everyone !

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23 Comments
2024/09/30
20:25 UTC

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Needing input on a new bow

Hey, all, I’m in the market for a new bow. I’m currently looking at the newer variant of the “Bear Kodiak ‘59” and the “Tomahawk Kiska SS” from 3rivers. I’ve been shooting my hunting forward ILF recurve rig for 5 years and I have a hankering for a more natural feel. I’ve only ever shot recurves so the reflex/reflex long bow sounds like an interesting switch. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

3 Comments
2024/09/30
19:23 UTC

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Help with bow string

I’m relatively new to target archery and am getting my first bow outside of the stock bows at the practice range.

I choose the pioneer because one of the coaches let me borrow it and it felt good. Simple as that.

My question is I’d like to get a recommendation for a replacement bow string. 35 lb draw weight and here are the other specs…

It’s just for target archery between 20-60 yards.

I just felt a bit overwhelmed at the choices and with most being for recurve or modern bows just wanted a few appropriate choices for this specific bow…

Thanks!

Features & details Riser is made of Makore Wood and Cassia Siamea Strong fiberglass limb Made of Maple laminations Great Shape and Stablity Length: 68 in AMO; String Length: 64 in Available in RH and LH; Protect your bow with SAS Longbow Padded Bag: B01JT0QJ1U

4 Comments
2024/09/30
14:00 UTC

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Question

How much do you think I could sell this for, I can't find anything similar online and want to sell it to buy a compound bow at some point(also note I've not been shooting bows for any significant time)

24 Comments
2024/09/29
23:32 UTC

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Purchasing suggestions?

I tried posting this in r/archery and didn't much feedback, so here I am trying here.

I want to start my bow collection so I was wondering what are some reputed bowyers/websites where I can buy longbows and/or recurve bows that have 33in draw length. I already have AF archery lined up for my asiatic bow, so I'm excited about that.

21 Comments
2024/09/29
13:48 UTC

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Bow Shape Typology

Because there seems to be a bit of confusion about bow shape terminology, I thought I would post the Bow Shape Typology.

Bows in this typology are classified by their "shape at rest" (i.e., their unstrung shape) because the unstrung shape provides a much better indication of a bow's handling and performance than its strung shape. By convention, naming is done from the handle to the tip.
For example, a deflex-reflex bow, when unstrung, starting from the handle, first curves toward the shooter and then away from the shooter.

Bow Shape Typology

While a bow’s shape is most often used as the primary descriptor for classification, other factors, such as symmetry, static vs dynamic tips, limb profile, and the presence (or absence) of a string bridge, can greatly affect a bow's handling and performance. However, these characteristics are not part of this typology.

18 Comments
2024/09/27
11:44 UTC

1

Orranni arrow shafts

Ive been looking into these shafts. The inner diameter is 5.2 mm. The outer diameter is 6.75mm. Im not sure what size inserts to buy.

Does anybody know which sizes i should buy?

Help will be appreciated

3 Comments
2024/09/24
11:05 UTC

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A stringer of keepers

I have about 43 but this stack will never leave me

7 Comments
2024/09/23
14:07 UTC

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Bow advice for small adult archer

(X-posted sorry if you are seeing this twice) I fell in love with archery as a camper when I was little and have gotten my hands on a bow as often as possible since. I got my golden arrow camp award for completing the program when I was 14. I went to that camp for their horse program but it was too basic for my skill level so I went to archery and riflery instead 😂

I’m very petite and female. I’m 4’11 in my 30s and about 100lbs. I’m built very small. Draw length 23” don’t know my draw strength but I do have back pain and sometimes my shoulder dislocates (I have a connective tissue disorder it’s normal for me lol). I am pretty strong though but it would also be best to not put too much wear and tear on my body. I’m looking at the Bear Archery Firebird as my first bow. I prefer traditional bows. Is this a good first bow? Or the titan? I like the look of the Firebird better but the titan boasts slightly less weight 🤔 I’m on a pretty tight budget thus the $60 bows🫠 suggestions in the same price range welcome though! Not more than $100 but that would be really pushing it for me currently. I’d like to upgrade to a really nice bow but this seems like a good starting point to get back into it.

There’s a range near me that I drive by often wishing I had a bow. Hopefully soon!

8 Comments
2024/09/22
15:52 UTC

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Where to Buy ELB?

Anywhere have bows in stock? I have looked at the names I know of and scouted some other r/ topics, and it seems most bowyers are only doing custom with 2+ months waiting lists.

I’m hoping to pick something up that is higher-end. I’ve got a simple 3Rivers ELB with horn nocks, but I imagine I’m missing out a bit not shooting something from one of these well-known ELB bowyers, and I have a birthday coming up, so I thought I might treat myself.

Thanks for any input, folks!

13 Comments
2024/09/21
18:21 UTC

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Footed Shafts

1 Comment
2024/09/21
17:18 UTC

27

Bow Porn

0 Comments
2024/09/21
14:21 UTC

3

Shooting Asiatic bow with a shorter draw length

In high school I shot a bow that was my appropriate draw length, I'm looking into shooting Asian-style bows and was wondering if shooting a bow shorter than my draw length, such as a smaller Turkish or Tatar bow, would be advised against. I planned to start with a smaller bow with lower poundage to learn the Asiatic style of archery, thumb release, and khatra comfortably before moving to a bow that is my appropriate draw length.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you

8 Comments
2024/09/20
18:43 UTC

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Went out with the compound crew today. "Let's shoot the 60 yarder" they say. In a solid crosswind. Me and my 35# one piece recurve with 4 inch shield cut vanes, having never shot that far. Hit it!

Chuffed.

11 Comments
2024/09/20
01:31 UTC

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Korean Traditional Archery - Long Range Sports Shooting

Modern Korean Traditional Archery is heavily leaning towards sports shooting than practical warbow or target shooting.

  • at the moment, distance is fixed at 145m, the form is only adequate for long range shooting, as arrow shaft is too far from eye to ensure accuracy at close range.

  • KTB has evolved to have smaller siyahs and use extremely light arrows which can reach far, but this is a result of archery as a sport, than practical usage.

to understand what i meant by "archery as sport", we need to look into historical practice of archery.


  • Joseon(korean dynasty) heavily focused on distance than accuracy.

ex) official military officer exams, focused more on the distance an arrow traveled than accuracy.

  • regular shooting

they would mark from 300m to 360m by 6m gap. your score depends on which gap your arrow reached.

If your arrow fell in between 300306m gap, you would get 1 point, while if your arrow fell in between 354360m gap, you would get 10 points.

  • iron arrow(철전)

this was but a test of strength. If you could draw heavy testing bow(정량궁 - not designed for actual shooting), you pass.

  • pyeonjeon(편전)

hitting 70cm target from 160m. considering pyeonjeon flying further and more accurate due to lighter weight of the arrow, this is not that diff from current 145m shooting that KTB ranges do.

  • mounted archery.

this one is focused on short ranges shooting on horseback.(40m)


to understand why this was the case, you need to understand joseon military system. Joseon relied heavily on conscript army with minimal training. There were several standing troops stationed around capital(about 10k) and rural strategic points(about 37.5k)

but during major wartime, joseon mustured around 180k troops(임진왜란 1592~1598), and 100k troops(병자호란 1627), which were mostly conscripts.

Most of the army were drafts, peasants. Joseon army, including stand troops, weren't always in full condition nor had sufficient training. the number of personnel and equipment would be lacking, training highly depended on the willpower of the commanding officer as central government didn't exactly support any major training effort. So assuming conscripts to have had nearly no training wouldn't be too off.

during 임진왜란, joseon military casualty(death) is assumed to be about 235k to 287k which is whopping 50% casualty rate from the entire mobilization.


So how was archery practiced with this army with minimal training and lacking proficiency and supply?

Professional Standing troops had mounted cavalry that practiced close range shooting(would start shooting around 37m) that is similar to many other nomadic cavalries,

but for most of the army which was conscript, they focused on salvo than accurate shooting since they lacked accuracy.

Most of the time, Joseon army couldn't ensure victory from close combat to Japanese army which had plenty of experience from its decades long civil war. So they focused on ambushing or guerilla warfare.


During 임진왜란, there appears to be 3 types of archery tactics.

  • 질사법(platoon shooting)

separate archers into 3 groups, and throw salvo continuously in sequence. Japanese troops would usually fire a salvo of their own, often done with matchlock to create an opening in Joseon formation and then rush into this gap with full force. having separate groups of archery ready and throwing salvo at said approaching speartip of japanese forces was effdctive.

  • 근사법(close range shooting)

Joseon army would usually start shooting at 120m, but Long range shooting become less effective against any army that has armor and shields. Maybe it was effective against northern nomads at the time or against poorly equipped rear troops, but against most enemies, long range shooting wasn't that effective. severe lack of arrows and poor performance from long range forced Joseon troops to focus on shooting from close range, but it was also hard to achieve because Joseon troops were no match against Japanese troops in close combat. General 권율 used to order his troops to only open fire at 37m distance, while using baricades like jan Zizka from hussite wars. But as you could guess, this required highly trained troops with great unit cohesion.

  • 절사법(target shooting)

archers shoot at individual enemy soldier of his choice in this method. this method discards salvo shooting, requires each aerhers to be proficient enough, and be under great protection from enemy closing in; usually from atop of a castle wall.

these tactics later transferred to matchlock shooting, as Joseon army transformed from archery based to gunnery focused army


judging by the tactics used and reality of poor training on regular troops part, you can see that Joseon archery of shooting at 2m tall target from 120m, focus on delivering salvo than proficiency of individual archers.

remember, most soldiers were farmers that never had any training in their life.


However, you can see records of many Joseon generals using tactic no.2 and 3, which requires professional archer troops. Then how could they become proficient with above mentioned salvo focused training method?

we can assume professional soldiers did additional training other than the long range salvo training that most conscripts did.


there is a famous archer, 배익환 who was recruited as an officer due to his godly archery skills.

Joseon archery ranges were similar to the modern korean eanges. huge targets were set at 145m range and people wouldn't really shoot at close range.

배익환 first started shooting from 28m with a small target. After each month, as he would be able to hit the target with great accuracy, he would move the target 2m away. after 5 years that distance reached 150m but he didn't miss any shots. later he moved the target to 250m but didn't miss any shots even at that distance. Apparently he shot 400 arrows daily.

He found it regretable that most people wouldn't shoot at close range, as it would greatly increase their proficiency.


What you can see is that for professional soldiers, archery training didn't really focus on fixed 145m long range. they did shoot close range as it would improve your skills better and would be more practical.

Korean archery ranges today only focus on 145m fixed range for the sake of tradition and even starts shooting at 145m, completely neglecting close range shooting. This often results in so called "master shooters" not being able to hit anything close range.

7 Comments
2024/09/20
00:03 UTC

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How to contact AF Archery?

So, I've tried to contact (through their contact form, and by email), but so far, I've not gotten a response.

So, does anyone have any contact details that do work?

^(Side question: the official website is: https://afarchery.com/ and not: https://afarcheryshop.com/ right?)

16 Comments
2024/09/16
16:10 UTC

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Tapered wooden shafts questions

0 Comments
2024/09/15
16:55 UTC

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