I've been assuming that the killer deleted so many voicemails, because he knew Teresa very well and was going through her messages to erase all traces of himself from her phone...which could still be true. However, it struck me that perhaps the killer was erasing messages in order to be able to hear all new incoming voicemails. That way he could keep track of whether any friends or family were expressing concern about her well-being. He was tracking how much time he had to move the car and dispose of her body. And perhaps he got the PIN number from Teresa herself before killing her, thus allowing him to access her messages from any phone without fear that her phone was tracking his whereabouts.

This theory would answer two critical questions:

1. why so many voicemails were erased between 10/31 and 11/2 (b/c TH was an avid phone user and her vm probably kept filling up quickly, especially since it was around Halloween)
2. how the killer knew no one was looking for her during that time, thus buying him time to burn the body and dump the car at the quarry

I should note that this theory was the result of me leaning towards GZ as the killer based on everything I've researched, but the only thing I couldn't figure out was why or how he would delete so many vm's if he didn't really know her. Maybe I'm too deep down the rabbit hole, but this seems like a somewhat logical explanation.

The justice department was confident it had found the right person in Avery. The guys needed to be confident. If they were wrong, their reputation would be in tatters for making exactly the same mistake again, convicting the wrong person, misleading friends and family of the victim, being a public spectacle in front of the world’s media, and leaving a killer on the loose.

In some ways, that’s happened many times before and we can’t discount it as a possibility, but this case was playing for higher stakes from the start. The last time the state got Avery wrong, it was a blunder. They were doing their jobs, just not very well. This time, were the prosecutors to have been found wrong, it would go down as a deliberate set-up. It would be a debacle.

Apart from risking embarrassment if they got it wrong, and the putting the justice system in question, the county had a $36m lawsuit in front of it from Avery. It may well have wheedled out of it, but what would that figure go up to if they got it wrong again and they framed the same man twice? Netflix or not, Avery would be a celebrity case and the county on would be on public trial.

The police may have been really confident that Avery was the killer, but Avery had no clear motive (plausible but not probable from his past behaviour) and scant evidence. The lack of motive and evidence pointing to Avery may at least entice the police to continue their search not just of the Avery property but all other potential leads, in case there was another murderer out there. Indeed, you may have expected the same level of forensic search that went into the Avery property to continue into Holbach's own background, even with Avery convicted.

How were the police so confident both that it was Avery and no-one else? Confident enough to call off other searches and inform the world’s press. Was that brazen recklessness, or did they know more than they said?

So, let’s go back a bit. To be as confident as they were that Avery was the right man, the justice department needed to be sure that it had first found the right body. If it wasn’t Holbach, and she turned up elsewhere, the whole operation would have been a stitch up, including planting DNA of the wrong person at both cremation sites. It would implicate many other law enforcement departments, frame the wrong man, and leave a killer on the loose. They had the right body, we can be reasonably sure of that.

But they didn’t have the evidence to pin it on Avery. For all their certainty, none of the evidence the justice department put forward was concrete and much of it was confusing. They painted a picture of a man with a chaotic plan of action, transporting a body unnecessarily from one place to another, but savvy enough in the ways of a killer to scrub his DNA from the crime scene. The man was stupid enough to bury a body outside his front door, smart enough to burn the body beyond easy recognition, but left the keys in his house.

So it looks like the police are sure they’ve got the right body, they just can’t quite convince us they’ve got the right man. And, if the only way they could convince the courts they had the right man was to doctor the evidence, and risk undermining their case, ruining their careers, and tainting their justice system once again, it was perhaps it’s because they were certain another suspect wouldn’t pop-up.

For the murderer to be someone else, that other person would also have had to have access to the body, and the will and ability to frame Avery. Planting Holbach's key in the trailer is one thing, but they'd have needed to get some of Avery's blood to plant in the car so Avery would be culpable along with the murderer themselves. That’s possible, of course, and the police may have helped them along the way by restricting the search to Avery. But remember also, if it wasn’t Avery, the police most likely didn’t know who it was.

To look at it another way, if the police did know who the killer was, and it wasn’t Avery, short of that person dying or disappearing shortly after the crime, he or she could pop up any time to undermine the police’s case which soon would include charges of tampering with evidence and all the above repercussions from that. That’s what needs to be weighed up here - the risk of the police being wrong. They knew that.

A false conviction by arrogant police offices had happened before - why couldn’t it happen again? It could, and maybe the police were frustrated by their circumstantial evidence, but it doesn’t seem credible that they’d risk their careers and justice system on something that could so easily be undone when the real killer emerges. In any other case, sure. But this case had so much riding on it.

More likely, perhaps, is that the police knew who the killer was, and they knew it was not Avery. Moreover, they knew Avery didn't know who the killer was so he couldn’t blurt it out and destroy their case.

They knew no-one knew the true identity of the killer because they had already found the body and knew who the murderer was before anyone else. It was someone unknown to anyone but one or a select few. And the murderer wasn’t someone locked up for another crime who may blurt something out one day. It was someone who was never going to talk.

If we now look at the crime-scene again, things could look quite different. Here’s an alternative, speculative, version of events.

The police knew who killed Teresa Halbach because it was them. They knew Halbach was arriving at Avery’s because they’d tapping Avery’s phone (would be good to get evidence for this). They knew the bones were Halbach’s because they planted them. They knew the body had been moved because they moved it. They knew Halbach had been shot because they shot her. They couldn’t find any evidence of Avery on the vehicles or in his house or garage because there wasn’t any. He hadn’t scrubbed down the Rav4 to remove his evidence, only leaving a trail of blood, because he hadn’t been in it. The police found the blood in the car because they put it there. They found the bullet shell because they’d used the gun. They led the investigators to the vehicle because they had parked it there.

The police planted evidence both because they needed to, otherwise there wasn’t going to be any, and because at worst it was a distraction which they knew wouldn’t come back and bite them. They didn’t need to follow other lines of enquiry because they knew they wouldn’t lead anywhere. And they didn’t want to follow other lines of enquiry because it would have detracted from their certainty.

No-one was going to blow their story apart. They could badger Dassey with impunity because at worst it would transpire that it wasn’t likely to be him. No-one could be sure it wasn’t him, of course, because no-one would know who the actual killers were.

For this to have been Avery we have to imagine 18 years of wrongful conviction made him into a murderer and it was his way of seeking justice. Possible, but unlikely, and it never transpired in Avery’s character. A more powerful emotion, and one which showed up repeatedly both as the cause of the first wrongful conviction and subsequent police attitudes towards the next case, was pride. And then of course, there's the money at stake. Avery may have had the motivation but, it stretches what we know of the man and, if he was the killer, his means and method were all over the place. The case against him doesn’t stack up.

But the police had the motivation in spades and a very carefully calculated means and method. They followed Halbach out of Avery’s, in an unmarked vehicle, shot her, burned her out of site, and then they brought the murder closer to home, and added Holbach’s remains to Avery’s own fire whilst the family was away.

It would have been twisted, but it wouldn’t have been difficult. It doesn’t quite pin Avery, but it’s an uphill battle to prove it wasn’t him.

To my mind, the difficulty in the current case against Avery is in disproving the police allegations. But if you don’t go with their version of events, things start to look very different. And they look even more different when you focus directly at the police. What if they were distracting attention away from themselves?

If we want to find out who did this, perhaps we shouldn’t focus on the unreliable evidence the police are leaving out for us. Instead, we could look at the evidence that leads back to them. Beyond the tampered evidence after the event, we could look at the public and private phone records, emails and all communications between the police officers involved in the investigation. Perhaps the clue lies there.

This is my first post so please excuse if I repeat a previously reported theory or just sound like a dumbass crackpot! I was thinking perhaps Sikikey is not a cryptographic code but is actually an alias....like how Robert Durst like to use lots of fake names (and also had a penchant for writing letters). Then I thought about how George Zipperer gave cops the fake last name "Zizore," which I don't think is an actual surname. What these names seem to have in common is syllabic pattern and repeating of letters. I'm not a linguist but there seems to be some sort of linguistic thread between these names. Zipperer...Zizore...Sikikey ?

I'm writing this on my phone because the idea just occurred to me at work. It's been a long time since I watched the show and I'm conscious of the fact that this theory may already have been shared and promptly dimissed.

I'll get right to it, the theory is simple enough.

I seem to recall on one of the episodes we saw a home video of Theresa talking to the camera about the nature of death. I don't recall it completely, but I remember finding it rather uneasy in the sense that she seemed to be talking from an odd perspective. Namely that of someone on the cusp of something or, to put it bluntly, someone who may be depressed.

Is there any material available on the state of Theresas mental health during the last few weeks/months of her life?

Sparing the minute details my theory is this:

Theresa commits suicide (I don't know why she would choose the Avery land, I'll admit that, it seems an odd place) and her body is discovered by Steve. Knowing full well that if her body is discovered on his land he will be the fall guy, it will be blamed on him completely, the state has something against him and are looking at anything to put him away for good. Knowing this, Steve tries to dispose of the body in such a way that there will be nothing left. He makes a mess of it. The rest follows as we saw.

This is as far as I got, I'm currently at work but I found it an interesting point. Or maybe it isn't. Maybe it's mad speculation. I don't know, just thought it was worth sharing.

[Speculation] - Re-posted here from MaM Sub-Reddit

I know I’m not going to change anyone's mind, but I have time to kill so why not. This is solely my opinion based on the facts as I see them. So.. here goes nothing:

The Murder

About 2:45 pm Bobby Dassey wakes up and sees Teresa Halbach. As Bobby Dassey leaves to go bow hunting, he notices Teresa's car still in the driveway but sees no sign of Teresa. At 3:30 pm Lisa Buchner, the school bus driver, drops off Brendan and Blaine his brother. She see's someone that looks like Teresa Halbach taking photographs of a van. After Teresa Halbach finishes taking pictures, she’s on Steven’s porch leaving an invoice and a free copy of AutoTrader. Around 3:35 pm Brendan and Blaine Dassey arrive home. Brendan sees Teresa Halbach talking to Steven. Brendan and Blaine go inside their home. Brendan begins to play video games.

(NOTICE: This is pure speculation with some ties to evidence)

Steven tells Teresa there is another car he wants to sell. He points to a grey, Suzuki Samurai in his garage. Theresa walk’s towards it, Steven follows close behind her. Teresa enters and begins to take pictures. Steven follows and once inside, quickly closes the garage door. He propositions Teresa..."hey why don’t we go and make the headboard hit the wall?" Teresa rejects him and starts for the door. Steven blocks the exit and continues to make advances. He tells her she's attractive. He says he’s going to be rich. She doesn't care. Steven becomes angry by her rejection. He sees Teresa as just another stuck up bitch. His potential windfall didn't sway her. What makes her better than him? As she passes by and reaches for the doorknob on the small door, he snaps. He grabs her in a choke hold from behind. She tries to scream and yell, but can't.

He threatens to kill her if she says one word. As his anger deepens, his hold around Teresa's neck tightens. He blames women like her for all his troubles. It is his way of dealing with rejection, by her, by Marie Litersky, by women in general. Jodi would later quote Steven as saying, "All bitches owe me." Teresa begins to lose consciousness and stops breathing. Steven lets her fall to the concrete floor as he realizes what he’s done. . He panics. He walks outside and sees no-one. He goes back inside. Steven grabs a pair of gloves, possibly porous black Thermolite Micro gloves like the ones pictured on his desk inside his trailer. He uses plastic to roll Teresa’s lifeless body. Using spare rope or electrical cord from the garage, he ties the body up as tight as he can. He reopens his cut finger. He thinks about burying the body somewhere on the 40 acre lot. He also contemplates tossing it in the pond.

He opens the large garage door and walks to Teresa's car. As he gets in and fumbles with the key. He removes one glove by biting a finger and pulling it off his hand. His DNA gets onto the fingertip and would later get transferred to the hood latch. With his free hand, he’s able to turn the key, but inadvertently leaves a swatch of blood, from his cut, near the ignition. Once the car starts, he puts the glove back on and backs Teresa’s RAV-4 into the garage. His blood begins to seeps through the glove. He gets out of the car and leaves blood on the driver’s seat. As Steven looks down at the lifeless body of Teresa Halbach, he hears Teresa breathing. It’s low and shallow. Its barely a whisper. He comes to the realization that there’s no turning back now. If he lets her go she’ll press charges. He’ll go back to prison and lose everything. He exits the garage and closes the door behind him.

The Blood

He walks to his trailer to get his .22 caliber rifle. As he reaches his porch, Steven's mom drives up in her golf cart. She has Steven's mail. Steven tells her the photographer from Auto Trader just left. She sees nothing odd or out of place. Teresa and her car are hidden inside the garage. The garage is closed. Steven keeps looking at it. She hands Steven his mail, invites him for supper and leaves. Steven watches her drive away and goes in to retrieve his .22. Steven walks back to the garage and enters through the small door. With Teresa's body all wrapped up, he shoots her three times in the head. Two go into the skull and one misses completely barely grazing her. The sound of the small caliber weapon is muffled by the garage. Neither Blaine nor Brendan hear the shots. Chuck, Earl and the rest are far off near the front of the salvage yard. No-one hears a thing. The blood is contained inside the layers of plastic tarp. There's no splatter, no pool, in fact no blood at all. He puts the rifle down and opens the trunk door of the RAV-4. He leaves blood on the threshold of the rear door as he lifts Teresa’s tied up body into the trunk.

The Bullet:

Steven struggles to get Teresa’s body into the car. The loose bullet fragment, which grazed Teresa’s head, falls out the opened end of the tarp and rolls onto the ground. It is accidentally kicked by Steven near the air compressor. He opens the rear passenger door and folds down the split rear seat. He leaves blood in the area underneath the rear seat lever and on the rear door threshold. As he pulls and forces Teresa's body into the RAV-4, the open end of the tarp moves allowing Teresa’s bloody head and hair to brush up against the inside of the car. Steven closes the passenger door and the trunk. He looks around leaving spent .22 caliber long rifle shell casings on the ground. Steven misses the one bullet fragment that fell behind the compressor. He takes Teresa’s personal possessions and puts them into a black garbage bag. He can’t find her cell phone, so at 4:35 pm Steven Avery calls Teresa Halbach. The phone rings from the front console. He hangs up. The call lasts 13 seconds. He reaches for the phone and gets blood on a black CD case. He throws the mobile phone in with all her other possessions. He takes Teresa's keys off the lanyard and puts them in his pocket. He’ll need them later to move the RAV-4 around the yard.

Steven’s alibi for this time would be that, after Teresa left the property, he simply went into his trailer and listened to his stereo from 3:30 pm to about 5:00 pm. The alibi works because there's no specific schedule or TV show to remember. No-one sees him. No-one can corroborate his alibi.

The Body:

Steven walks out of the garage and starts a fire in the barrel near his sister’s trailer. He puts Teresa’s possessions into the barrel. Around 5:00 pm, Bobby Dassey gets home. He doesn't see Teresa Halbach or her car because it is in Steven garage. Bobby goes inside and falls asleep. Steven can't risk moving the car and waits for the right time. Bryan Dassey gets home from work. He takes a shower and, about an hour later, heads to his girlfriend's house. Bryan laters says he heard Steven telling Brendan that he needs his help “doing something”. At 5:20 pm Earl Avery and Robert Fabian return from hunting rabbits around the yard. They park their golf cart near Steven’s trailer. The garage door is closed. Robert testifies that the burn barrel was on fire and the smoke smelled like plastic. Both Earl and Robert leave the yard. Robert goes home, Earl goes to pick up his glasses. Around this same time, Blaine Dassey is picked up by Jason Kresco and Jason's mom Carmen Wiensch. As he watches the fire in the barrel, Steven decides to burn the body in the fire pit behind his trailer. It is his preferred way to dispose of almost everything.

Steven walks behind his trailer and starts a small bonfire. About 5:30 pm Scott Tadych arrives at Barb Janda's home to pick her up. He sees Steven standing near a small fire behind his trailer. Barb leaves with Scott and they go to Aurora Bay Medical Center to see Scott's mom. A few minutes later, at 5:36 pm - Jodi Stachowski, Steven Avery's fiancée, calls him. The call lasts 15 minutes and is recorded by the Manitowoc County jail. Sunset occurs about 5:41 pm. At 5:57 pm Steven Avery calls his brother Chuck Avery to check on supper. Chuck says he talked to Steven for a minute or so and tells Steven when supper is. Prior to leaving for his girlfriend's house, Bryan Dassey notices smoke coming from behind Steven’s garage. Steven walks to Barb’s trailer looking for Bobby, but he's sleeping. It is now after 6:00 pm. It is dark. The time to move the body as come. Only Brendan is home and awake. Steven walks to his garage, opens the door and drives the RAV-4 with Teresa’s body to the backside of his trailer. He rolls Teresa Halbach’s body out the RAV-4 and onto the fire.

The Car:

Steven doesn’t know what to do with the car. Crush it? Sure, but how much prep is needed? Drive it somewhere to dump it or burn it sounds better, but where and when? Regardless of Steven’s plans for the car, he needs time and the right opportunity to move it. He drives the RAV-4 to a temporary location near the crusher. He turns off the lights to avoid being detected by Chuck or his dad, who are both having supper. As he parks the RAV-4 up on the hillside, he hits debris and cracks the front bumper, breaking the turn signal. He gets out. Still wearing gloves, he opens the hood and disconnects the battery. He needs it to not drain while the car sits. He leaves DNA on the hood latch. He unscrews and removes the license plates with a pocket knife. He then covers the car with branches. Crushing it wasn’t his first thought, but he decides to use the crusher anyway. This requires timing. Normally he would prep it first (e.g. remove the engine, transmission, tires and all hazardous materials), then haul the car using heavy equipment. Instead he decides to prep it near the crusher or even crushing the car as is. The noise would be routine but may raise suspicion if anyone sees him wrecking a newer looking RAV-4. Steven would have to do all of the work himself. He can’t risk being seen by either one of his brothers, his father or anyone else living or working on the yard. Steven has to wait for the right time. November 1st and 2nd come and go. On the 3rd of November, Teresa Halbach is reported missing. Steven realizes the risk level has gone up now because they are looking for Teresa and her car. Unfortunately for him, the RAV-4 is discovered on the 5th by volunteers. The answer to why Steven doesn’t get rid of the car in time is simple:

• He doesn’t know what to do with it. He didn’t plan this.

• He feels it’s well hidden among the 40 acres of scrap cars and metal.

• He didn’t know Earl would let people search the yard.

• He simply runs out of time.

Brendan would later say he knew Steven hid the RAV-4

...

FASSBENDER: And then what did he do?

BRENDAN: Then he put the knife under the seat and tried to hide the jeep.

FASSBENDER: And did he tell you where?

BRENDAN: Behind, in the woods area.

FASSBENDER: In the woods area, where?

BRENDAN: Down in the pit by the lake er pond.

FASSBENDER: Did he tell you what he did to try and hide it?

BRENDAN: He put branches over it and a car hood.

...

The Key & The Plates:

After moving the car, Steven Avery hikes back to his garage. He folds the plates twice inward. As he passes a junked station wagon, no more than a few yards from his trailer, Steven throws the license plates through an open car window behind the passenger side seat.

City of Brillion volunteer firefighter, William Brandes Jr. would later find the license plates to the RAV-4, behind the passenger seat, inside the station wagon. Brandes carefully unfolds the plates while Wisconsin State Patrol trooper, Cindy Paine, photographs them.

Steven Avery, as he continues walking, takes all the keys off the key ring and tosses them into the abyss that is the salvage yard. He keeps only the lone key needed for the RAV-4. He reaches his garage, grabs the .22 caliber rifle and heads to his trailer. After wiping and placing the .22 back onto the gun rack, Steven goes into his bathroom, puts the RAV-4 key on the sink and washes his hands. As he removes his gloves, he gets blood on the bathroom sink and floor. He sees what he thinks is blood on the lone key. He cleans it, and the small strap or fob, of any and all “specks of blood” (as well as Teresa Halbach's fingerprints and DNA). Afterwards, he grabs the key and puts it into his pocket. Later that night, while getting ready for bed, Steven would empty his pockets and hide the key in his room.

Steven goes and eats supper at his mom. As he passes the burn barrel, he tosses the gloves into the fire.

The Bonfire:

An hour passes and the fire gets bigger and hotter, but Teresa's body isn't burning the way Steven thought it would. Around 7:00 pm Steven Avery walks back behind his trailer and calls Brendan. He invites Brendan to a bonfire. Together, they pick up items from the yard in the golf cart. As the unload the debris, Brendan states he saw Teresa’s body in the fire, including her forehead, stomach and toe.

...

WIEGERT: OK. Tell us about that day when you came home from school, OK? Let’s start with when you came home from school. How did you get home from school?

BRENDAN: I got off the bus at 3:45 and I walked, I seen a jeep down by our house and I went into my house and I played Playstation 2 for two hour, three hours. I ate at 8:00 and I got a phone from Steven, a phone call from Steven and he asked me if I wanted to go to the bonfire next to the garage and I said yeah and then he told me to bring the golf cart over so I did and then he drove us, drove me around to find some stuff and I got the van seat and some wood and I seen her toe when I, when we dropped the, the seat off and later on, I seen her forehead and her belly.

...

Cremation of Teresa's body would take 2-3 hours for all organic matter to be consumed by heat or evaporation. The only thing left would be bone fragments. He achieves the required 1400 to 1800 degrees Fahrenheit using tires and other rubbish, the fire intensifies both in heat and height. At 7:45 pm Scott Tadych drops Barb Janda off at her house and notices "two people" standing by a much larger fire behind Steven's trailer. He thinks he sees one of Barb’s sons.

Joshua Radandt, President of Radandt Sons Inc., operator of the rock quarry, sees a large fire at the Avery Salvage Yard. Josh said he recently cleared brush and Steven had offered to burn the brush for him. Josh thought the fire was the brush he had cleared.

Around 8:05 pm Barb Janda leaves for Scott's home. She calls Steven Avery and tells Brenden to be home by 10:00 pm. At 8:30 pm, the fire begins to die down. Teresa's body has been burning for about two and a half hours. Steven would transfer charred remains from the pit to Barb’s barrel using a shovel. He would continue to do this as he finds bones and flesh not burning completely. The shovel was found near the pit, but no DNA was recovered from it. At 8:57 pm Jodi Stachowski calls Steven again and they speak for several minutes. After he hangs up with Jodi, he goes back outside and asks Brendan to help him clean the garage. They take various chemicals such as bleach, turpentine and gasoline and, using rags, they wipe up whatever they can see on the concrete floor. Brendan would later tell his mom he cleaned up "reddish-black stuff" from the garage floor.

...

Brendan: Yeah. So if I was in the garage cleaning up that stuff on the floor, how much time will I get though for that?

Barb: What was it?

Brendan: I don't know. It was this reddish-black stuff

...

Steven would throw the rags into barrel. Around 9:30 pm, Blaine is dropped off, Bobby leaves for work and Brendan gets home with bleached spotted clothes. Luminol tests would later show evidence of bleach being used in the garage. Luminol would also depict droplets of deer blood all over the garage, as Dean Strang would attests to at trial. Steven goes inside his trailer and calls Barb, but the call goes unanswered. Barb calls Steven back. After hanging up with Barb, Jodi calls Steven and they talk for 15 minutes. Steven would go back outside and tend the fire until he feels like everything has burned. Once satisfied, Steven goes inside and gets ready for bed. He empties his pockets and tosses the RAV-4 key onto his nightstand. It slides to the back edge, falls and becomes wedged between the wall and the small table. Steven goes to sleep watching porn on cable TV. The fires would die down over night. Steven never comes back to get the key as he never finds the time to move the car. The RAV-4 is discovered less than 5 days from the murder and 2 days from the missing person's report. The police execute search warrants on the property, including Steven’s trailer. They find what appears to be blood "on the bathroom floor near the washer and dryer." They also find "pornographic material" and "items of restraint." The key to RAV-4 isn’t found initially, but on the third day, the deputies return to continue their search and find the key as it drops from its wedge position behind the nightstand.

Bryan Dassey would later state in his interview that Steven once told him that "He could kill someone and get away with it". Bryan also said, on the weekend of November 4, 2005, Steven was acting “strange”. Bryan continued to say that when Charles Avery overheard that Marinette County was coming to their property, Steven seemed “panicked”.

The Pit, Barrel and Quarry

Both Leslie Eisenberg, the forensic anthropologist for the prosecution, and Scott Fairgrieve, a Canadian forensic anthropologist for the defense, agreed that the remains of Teresa Halbach were found in only two places:

• In the burn pit behind Steven Avery's trailer.

• In a burn barrel near Avery's sister's trailer.

Leslie Eisenberg maintained that the remains of Teresa Halbach were burned first in the pit and then larger pieces moved to the barrel. She reasoned this because most of Teresa Halbach's remains were found in the pit and that these remains didn't exhibit any signs of breakage associated with being moved after burning.

Scott Fairgrieve testified that in his experience, the site with most of Teresa Halbach's remains was the place where they were moved to and not the original burn site. He suggests that the Teresa was originally burned in the barrel and then transferred to the burn pit behind Steven Avery's trailer.

The bones recovered from the gravel pit were of animal origin. Though inconclusive, Dr. Eisenberg did say she "suspects" two small pieces of bone fragments, from the quarry site, "appeared to be" human in nature, possibly from the pelvic area.

There are actually more than six pieces of physical and circumstantial evidence that tie Steven Avery directly to the crime. As well as written interviews and trial testimony that somehow all have to blend harmoniously together to form one cohesive story.

• Steven Avery was Teresa Halbach's last appointment the day she went missing.

• Teresa Halbach was last seen alive at Avery Salvage.

• Teresa Halbach was last seen alive taking to Steven Avery.

• Steven Avery was the last person to see Teresa Halbach alive.

• There are no sightings of Teresa Halbach after arriving at Avery Salvage.

• Teresa Halbach's last cell phone activity occurs at 2:41 PM on October 31st, 2005

• A car like the one driven by Teresa Halbach was found hidden at Avery Salvage.

• The car found belonged to Teresa Halbach.

• Blood and hair samples were retrieved from the rear of the car.

• The blood and hair samples belonged to Teresa Halbach.

• Blood was also found in 6 other places inside of Teresa Halbach’s car.

• The blood found belonged to Steven Avery.

• Steven Avery had a cut finger when questioned about Teresa's disappearance.

• DNA was found on the hood latch of Teresa Halbach’s car.

• The DNA belonged to Steven Avery.

• Brendan Dassey confesses to seeing Teresa Halbach's body in the rear of her car.

• Two folded up license plates were found hidden yards away from Steven Avery's trailer.

• The license plates belonged to Teresa Halbach's car.

• A key was found hidden in Steven Avery's bedroom.

• The key belonged to Teresa Halbach's car.

• Steven Avery's DNA was found on the key.

• A .22 caliber rifle was found in Steven Avery's trailer.

• .22 caliber ammunition was also found in Steven Avery's trailer.

• .22 caliber shell casings were found in Steven Avery's garage.

• Ballistics matched the .22 caliber shell casings to the .22 caliber rifle in Steven's possession.

• A single .22 caliber bullet fragment was found inside Steven Avery's garage.

• Ballistics matched the .22 caliber bullet fragment to the ammunition found in Steven's possession.

• DNA was found on the bullet fragment.

• The DNA belonged to Teresa Halbach.

• Several cleaning solvents including bleach, turpentine and gasoline were found in Steven Avery's garage.

• A large area in Steven Avery's garage had been recently cleaned with these solvents.

• Brendan Dassey confesses to helping clean up his uncle's garage floor.

• Brendan Dassey has bleach stained clothes when he arrives home that night.

• Steven Avery calls Teresa Halbach's cell phone, without call blocking, at 4:35 pm on October 31st, 2005.

• Teresa Halbach's cell phone, PDA and camera were found in a burn barrel.

• Robert Fabian testifies to seeing Steven Avery burning something in the barrel.

• Robert Fabian testifies to the smoke from the burning barrel smelling like plastic.

• Several witnesses see a bonfire on the Avery property the night of October 31st, 2005.

• Steven Avery confirms he had a bonfire behind his trailer the night of October 31st, 2005.

• Brendan Dassey confesses to helping his uncle gather debris for the bonfire.

• Remnants of clothing worn by Teresa Halbach were found in the chard remains of that bonfire.

• Remnants of Teresa Halbach's body were also found in the bonfire pit behind Steven Avery's trailer.

• Brendan Dassey confesses to seeing body parts in the bonfire.

• Skull fragments belonging to Teresa Halbach showed she had been shot twice.

• Witnesses say Steven Avery acted worried and panicked when told that the police was searching Avery Salvage.

• Steven Avery had no alibi from 3:30pm to 5:00pm the day Teresa Halbach is last seen alive.

• Steven Avery says he never touched Teresa Halbach's car the day she came to the yard.

• When asked why his finger prints would be on Teresa's driver side door, Steven changed his story and said he may have leaned on it when Teresa handed him the AutoTrader magazine.

TL;DR: I've tried to harmoniously blend dozens of forensic, physical and circumstantial evidence, along with written interviews and trial testimony into one cohesive story. To say anyone else did this crime, you have to conclude that everything was planted and everyone is mis-remembering the events of that day. Steven Avery did murder Teresa Halbach.

Tweets Tweets & replies Media Kathleen Zellner ‏@ZellnerLaw 10m10 minutes ago 495 days: to frame SA. 145 days so far to undo. New evidence: For a post-conviction not pro se appeal. #MakingAMurderer #Rome:Not BuiltinDay

In 10 words or less tell us who you think killed TH(if she is actually dead)?

I'll go first

I think vogel ordered a hitman to sort things quickly...

And Guilters, now is your time to shine...

Maybe this sub can be the battle ground for good vs evil and keeping the hate and arguments away from the other subs, I know some of you enjoy it, just be prepared to defend yourself... and don't get personal!

If you've found this sub, you're no doubt aware that the recent re-focus of /r/MakingAMurderer is going to have a large impact on where the majority of discussion surrounding this case is held. It doesn't have to be a difficult transition by using reddit's multireddit feature.

I've created one such multireddit here which is a combination of all the the subs I'm aware of that discuss the Avery case. This list includes:

/r/TickTockManitowoc

/r/HiveMindMaM

/r/StevenAveryIsGuilty

/r/TheoryOfMaM

/r/InnocenceAndInjustice

/r/MakingAMurderer

You may notice that the multireddit I created is tied to my username. It's probably best that you create your own, with your preferred subs, so that if my account is no longer around you will still have access. For my part, I will keep this multireddit up to date and you are of course free to share it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg What do you think?

Last month's Post Crescent introduced us to some new allies to the embroiled MTSO in the wake of increased scrutiny:

From the article:

"The National Sheriff's Association, which is headquartered in Alexandria, Virginia, put Hermann in touch with two men with expertise in law enforcement media crisis management. One was Pat Royal, public information officer with the National Sheriff's Association. The other was Mark Pfeifle, president of Off The Record strategies in Washington. D.C."

"According to his LinkedIn profile, Pfeifle briefly worked as a communication adviser for President George W. Bush and then worked in communications for The National Security Council, where Pfeifle "led a successful communication effort to promote President's 'surge' of U.S. forces into Iraq."

"If we can prevent the volume of this incident from overpowering (law enforcement) these are the folks that can do it," Thompson said."

Professional bios: Off The Record Strategies

The disruption of r/makingamurderer seems to coincide and further their goals of quashing the momentum of outrage at this questionable investigation.

I feel the open discussion of how wrongful convictions are propagated by LEOs is crucial to promote reform. The time to get ahead of this PR nightmare was November 3. 2005, when MTSO realized a person of interest had an active law suit pending. Not a decade later.

SO, Lets see how well the market place of unpopular ideas works here in MAM Siberia: Are the changes to r/makingamuderer part of a push-back by our favorite sheriff's office?

Edit: fixed links Edit 2: r/ticktockmanitowoc is forum seeking justice reform through examining the public record surrounding the convictions of Steven Avery through tainted investigations.