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The Wire - Complete Rewatch Table Of Contents

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Birds obsession with his seen him sent down. Brother was confident with his little stylish thing. Omar got the shotgun. You never see Prop Joes. Cutty couldnt make go bang because he is old now. Prezbos went off too easy. Marlo will put his in your mouth. Snoop has a nail gun she bought in a shop

its all very allegorical

4 Comments
2024/06/28
13:34 UTC

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what makes the wire so good for you personally

i literally binged the wire in about three weeks and just finished an hour ago. still reeling from the entire thing, and i already get the sense that even though it gets better on rewatches (which i plan on doing after a long breather) will probably never replicate the feeling of having watched it the first time. there’s just so many amazing aspects of the show. i watch a lot of good tv but i don’t think i’ve ever seen something as well done and intricate and as good as this.

so i’m curious as to what you love about it. characters, scenes, moments, writing, things about the show in general etc

29 Comments
2024/06/28
08:03 UTC

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If stringer only knew

E1 S3 stringer does his speech about product vs real estate and he’s wrong because he’s talking to people that sell on the corners (the same problem Colvin had setting up hamsterdam) but he’s right because the Greeks are supplying the good drugs to Baltimore all five seasons, with no real estate. On my new rewatch it dawned on me, stringer never attempted to meet the Greeks, take over the supply, or even be there main connect, only be a team with other dealers with prop joe having the real connect. My ultimate point is stringer needed Avon to see the street in a way “ his fuckin business classes can’t, it’s not that part of it” and it ultimately cost him his life. It’s also great weaving of themes of multiples seasons from the writers

9 Comments
2024/06/28
06:13 UTC

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Scenes that made you feel dread or uneasy?

Somebody in another thread pointed out how threatening Monk's apartment felt in season 5. Whether it's because it was shot at night time or the direction, it feels threatening.

What scenes make you feel uneasy? Another one for me is watching Snoop waiting in the park. When it's dark out and all you see is her silhouette. She's waiting on Lex I think in season 4.

53 Comments
2024/06/28
00:52 UTC

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Which character did the most to help Baltimore?

77 Comments
2024/06/27
21:29 UTC

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How "realistic" is the wire

I just finished watching the show and for context Im young and I'm from Europe so the setting in the show are quite foreign to me so that's why I'm asking. I know it's not based on real life events but how realistic are the things that happen. Is the life of poor African Americans in Baltimore shown accurately? The drug abuse and police violence they faced? Also the corruption within the police department and political corruption with Royce and also Carcetti? Were there any real life events or suspicions that inspired the writers and creators or is it all purely fictional?

137 Comments
2024/06/27
16:54 UTC

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David Simon on Marlo Stanfield

"Jamie Hector's performance as Marlo Stanfeld was so understated and restrained that there were many viewers who initially mistook the minimalist choices for a lack of range.

This was amusing to the writers, who had seen enough of Jamie's work to know how good he is and how disciplined and self-denying a performance he was offering. At the end of (Marlo's) are, when his emotion finally breaks - not over any threat to his money, or even to his power, but to the authority of his name and reputation - he made everything perfectly and wonderfully certain.

That was the key to Marlo Stanfeld. He represented the ultimate totalitarian impulse - beyond money, beyond power or the exercise of power for its own sake, but instead that strange combination of self-love and self-loathing that rarely dares speak its name openly.

Marlo wanted money and power not for their own sake, but so the world would know they were his and his alone.

He defined, for the purposes of The Wire, the emotional end-game for any and every power pyramid depicted.

Jamie nailed that. A great, great actor."

  • David Simon, “Truth Be Told”
83 Comments
2024/06/27
01:41 UTC

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How come that on so many occasions, stunt actors playing "dead" were so clearly breathing on screen, even during highly detailed shots on the body? And it's not the first time I've noticed this. I am at the end of S3 and I recall at least 5 such scenes. Otherwise I am enjoying the show very much.

28 Comments
2024/06/27
01:07 UTC

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If Stringer hadn't fucked over Brother Mouzone . . .

. . . then the Barksdales would have had Black Donnie

But that's the thing, because of how Brother Mouzone got hit in his own apartment, Black Donnie didn't want to come anywhere near the Barksdales, he said

Brotha Mouzone put a hex out of all of us

With Black Donnie on Avon's side, Marlo and his glorified crew would have been wiped out, Chris Partlow would have been emptying his pockets and crying like a lil bitch with Brotha, Slim, and Black Donnie all united against him

23 Comments
2024/06/27
00:22 UTC

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Jamie Hector on We Own This City.

Anyone else notice Jamie’s “name references?”

He says something about someone not knowing his name and yes my name is Sean.

My Brother and I started cracking up as we remember Marlo from The Wire.

He’s a good actor.

4 Comments
2024/06/27
00:12 UTC

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I don't understand why Marlo is worse than Avon/Bell

I understand the show actively induce you to consider Marlo way of doing "business" as something way worse than Stringer/Avon's, but I personally put both in the same scale of evilness. Barksale and Bell would also kill without hesitation, not only rats and enemies (like Omar's boyfriend or Avon's old gf that D'Angelo wiped out), but also innocent civilians (like why killing the eyewitness of D'Angelo case in the first season once the case is closed, that's pure unnecessary payback).

Idk is not like Bell and Avon would care about the neighborhood or their people, they just chase the money, Marlo ain't different from them at all, the method is different but the consequences and the evilness are the same IMO

123 Comments
2024/06/26
09:23 UTC

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Did Daniels deliberately sidetrack Herc and Carver in Season 2? Or who did he not trust?

In the final episode of Season 2, >! Daniels sends Herc and Carver to watch Nick and wait for him to turn himself in, which turns out to be a waste of time because Nick already turned himself in earlier. It seems like this is just an oversight, and goes with the theme of bad communication between police, although when Herc and Carver find out they're offended and pissed. However, at the end of the episode, FBI agent Fitz confides to Daniels that the leak to the Greeks didn't come from Daniels' people, and instead was that FBI agent who is friends with the Greek and possibly considers the Greek or Vondas an asset for terrorism information. Daniels looks genuinely surprised by this, which means he thought the leak was from his people (?). Did he suspect Herc or Carver (possibly due to their perceived incompetence, more likely than actual malice)? If not, who did Daniels suspect?!<

21 Comments
2024/06/26
03:35 UTC

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Character Growth

The show is justifiably cynical about the possibility of positive systemic change, and maybe a touch more optimistic about change on an individual level (but only a touch).

Not too many characters tend to change for the positive throughout the course of the show - and even more curiously, many don't change at all. They are who they are. A lot of them are simply stagnant, even if they are fascinating to watch.

Which characters would you say have the most compelling or satisfying character arcs over the course of the series? Specifically characters that demonstrate positive growth as human beings (as opposed to someone like Valchek, for example, who is clearly better off professionally but still a gaping asshole at story's end.)

I'd say Bubbles, Carver, Prez, Cutty would be obvious ones. Maybe Colvin. Maybe D'Angelo, although that didn't work out too well for him. It's a pretty short list.

19 Comments
2024/06/25
21:52 UTC

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Locust Point

For the natives of B-More that might be up in here…or those at least familiar…

Is Locust Point still a working class white strong hold, or was that the character of the neighborhood historically? Was it mostly dockworkers, civil servants ect. (I’m from New York, and we have areas like that in the outer boroughs along the ocean and bays; Gerritsen Beach & Marine Park in Brooklyn and Howard Beach in Queens)

Season 2 was my favorite for this reason, as I grew up in an area similar to the Point; knew friend’s father’s that were like Valcheck and Frank..

11 Comments
2024/06/25
21:16 UTC

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Underrated and Overrated Scenes

Hot take/admission: I never much liked Marlo's "My Name Is My Name" speech. It seemed a bit out of character for him and the acting just didn't quite hit for me. Marlo's rage is quiet and controlled, like when he assassinated Davonne or Prop Joe, or confronted the Security Guard or even the two guys in the street corner in S5E10. As unsentimental as he is, it's surprising that he cared too much about not being able to respond to Omar's taunts: He was already actively hunting him, having successfully* laid a trap at Monk's apartment. In every way that matters, Marlo was responding to Omar. It's not like Marlo was going to personally go back to the abandoned playground and explain to the lieutenants that in fact he was willing to ... I dunno, have a duel with Omar? What exactly was Marlo going to do differently if he'd heard that Omar was calling him out? Try to kill him even more?

Anyhow, that was a bit of a rant. In contrast, Cheese's "There Ain't No Back In The Day" speech doesn't get nearly as much attention, especially and explicitly his shift from his speaking voice to a real, authentic yelling voice (which is what pairs the two scenes). I think it's phenomenal.

Method Man has by far the hardest job in The Wire - almost everyone else in the show was brand new to us, but Meth was already a bonafide celebrity who'd been on the front of hollywood movie posters - and that's the one scene where I forget it's Method Man and really only see Cheese. Given how close Cheese is to Method's rap persona I was never much impressed by the performance up to that scene, but rewatching again (and indulging in some acting of my own) that little turn seemed so good, so precise and real, I just had to give it a shout out here.

134 Comments
2024/06/25
19:53 UTC

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Season 4 /early Season 5

Close to end of my rewatch of the series and just some thoughts and questions

  1. Why did nobody just kill Marlo?

I understand he’s a boss and it’s easier said then done but I felt like he had a level of plot amour with how passive people were towards him

  1. How does Prop Joe not see Marlo coming ?

Marlo is like a snake in a sense that before snakes eat you in some cases they size you up for days, weeks and months. Marlo did the same when he had Prop Joe running him all over town and evening meeting his connect. Marlo sized him up and then took his shot once he was big enough.

  1. Why does Prop Joe take Marlo to Spiros/ Vandos?

He could just kill him instead of explaining himself. Slim Charles could have taken over for Marlo.

  1. Why does Cheese sell his own uncle out

Granted maybe he gains some power from this but overall much doesn’t change especially with Marlo in charge in fact it only gets worse with Marlo in charge.

  1. Not a fan of the Mcnutly stuff and him changing crime scenes and building up a lie.

Overall these seasons are good but Prop Joe losing ever once of wit and intelligence that was displayed in seasons 1-3 is crazy to me. Especially if he was smart know to get the Greek connect survive Stringer,Avon and Omar then not draw attention from the police and to be so easily finessed by Marlo is crazy .

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2024/06/25
16:04 UTC

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The Deuce a vanity project?

I’m hoping to be corrected here but I just can’t shake this thought. The Deuce, although not as great as The Wire, is still a solid show but I’m having a hard time trying not to think of it as another vanity project for a big star.

Maggie Gyllenhaal’s soft spoken, minimal effort acting is what takes me out of this otherwise great show. It seems like her character is under the influence the entire time as there’s no…..I don’t know……substance to her acting. Her being featured in a prominent role doesn’t help her case either. I say another because I had the same thought when I watched S1 of True Detective. McConaughey carries himself as this ‘too cool for this story’ kind of guy with his awful driving and that low, almost inaudible voice that made me quit the show 3 episodes in. It looks like he reprised his role from ‘Dazed and Confused’ who grew up and joined the police.

Let me know your thoughts. Or downvote me into oblivion into the vacants.

Edit: a vanity project for Gyllenhaal, not David Simon

44 Comments
2024/06/25
15:02 UTC

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Annoying cheesy gun sound effects

One annoying trope The Wire falls for relates to gun sound effects. For instance, a scene in season 1 where Omar does a robbery in an alleyway, he has a double barrel shotgun and it makes a pump rack sound when he raises it. And it the scene where he attacks Mouzone his pistol makes the slide rack sound just when he points it.

There is not need for this, if you want the scary gun clicking noise just have them cock the hammer or actually bring a pump shotgun and rack it.

20 Comments
2024/06/25
02:05 UTC

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Promotions and Demotions

In the series finale, we got to bear witness to several promotions (ex: Kima from a novice homicide detective to elite level), as well as a few demotions (Ex: Dukey descending into full blown addiction).

The best promotion of the show for me is Bubbles. To see him walking up those stairs, into his family’s good graces, literally brought tears to my eyes. As a child of an addict mother, I often wished we could have had that for my old girl. She was like Bubbles in a way. Warm, good sense of humor, just unfortunately got hooked on that mess and couldn’t break free. That one scene brings up so many emotions for me. Kudos to the writers and actors on thee best show ever created.

Anyway, thanks for letting me share.

6 Comments
2024/06/25
01:22 UTC

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How realistic is politician corruption in The Wire?

I’m on S4 right now, but what seems unrealistic to me is the fact that Clay Davis can take money from the Barksdales. Also, how realistic is the dynamic between Sobotka and the Greeks considering that he’s meeting with illegal smugglers to try and raise money for lobbying. I just don’t understand how people could be financed by street criminals and have careers to begin with.

134 Comments
2024/06/24
23:00 UTC

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What would have happened if Avon caught Stringer calling his sister Brianna a bitch? (Stringer says to Shamrock to keep that "bitch away from me" when she is calling Stringer)

16 Comments
2024/06/24
19:58 UTC

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"They won't breathe a free breath until them Cicada's come back" ~Bunk

Rewatching and just saw this scene, didn't click then, definitely does now living Chicago 😅

24 Comments
2024/06/24
12:11 UTC

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Chris vs Marlo

Both are scary ruthless psychopaths. I know Marlo stepped on more than a few bodies to get to become boss. I mean, the guy will kill you for looking at him wrong.

But when it comes down to it, I think Chris is more terrifying. His body, demeanor, hair, everything. The man looks like death itself when approaching someone with that slow and calm walk of his.

In conclusion, ruthless as marlo is, if I had to choose between the 2, I'd rather hear "You want it one way, you want it one way," than hear "Don't fret boss, I got you covered"

25 Comments
2024/06/24
08:47 UTC

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What happened to McNulty

So last year after my first viewing of the series for fun I asked what job people thought McNulty got after the final episode. I was under the impression that McNulty was fired after all of that.

Upon a rewatch I’m second guessing if McNulty was straight up fired or if he would just be buried away doing a desk job or some sort of work within the department that McNulty wouldn’t want to do? What does everyone think? Was McNulty fired from the department & left to become a homeless person like a lot of people thought was implied during the finale? Or was McNulty just forced to do work for the department that he would feel was beneath him to do, not a good use of his intelligence, & not what he would be considered “police” work to where McNulty would just be miserable everyday at his job?

66 Comments
2024/06/24
04:27 UTC

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Best intro?

For me, it’s S5. Steve Earle’s adaption of Way Down in the Hole. It’s so catchy. I never skip it.

18 Comments
2024/06/23
23:26 UTC

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Did they miss a story with Naymond

Many of us agree this is one of the greatest shows ever that needed very little changes. The Boys of Summer being the character prequel. I think they could’ve slid Dukie into the success story and yall may think I’m crazy but Naymond should’ve been killed. He didn’t want to be in the game he didn’t want to be like his dad but was forced imagine a season montage of his momma crying by his picture while we say “Bitch it’s your fault”. Once we saw Naymond wasn’t tough everyone would’ve felt sad for him.

14 Comments
2024/06/23
21:55 UTC

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Did Jimmy and Lester eventually go to jail?

based on the final scene with marlo, its heavily implied he wont retire, and instead will continue in the game. this means that the case will come back, and as pearlman says, jimmy and lester will eventually go to jail, wondering yalls thoughts on this.

73 Comments
2024/06/23
19:59 UTC

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hamsterdam

On my second rewatch, and up until now I thought the concept of hamsterdam was so outlandishly stupid. The beginning of s3e4 really made it make more sense, along with the previous few episodes. (The pressure on Colvin’s people to get a hold of things, and there is seemingly no solution.) Maybe I didn’t focus enough when i watched it the first time. But this concept is somewhat of a genius solution.

49 Comments
2024/06/23
19:51 UTC

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How did Freamon and Bubbles convince Bernard to buy their phones

This is one episode that still eludes me. So Bubbles go upto "Squeak sister" (Bernard GF) and tell her that he got the phones for cheap.

But then in the next scene Bernard ask Freamon if he can "read the numbers" and Freamon tells him about some long distance credit card heist. What does that all mean?

Then Freamon ask him to use the phone and then he (Freamon) places an imaginary phone on his ear and pretends to talk to some Darlene about some random shit and couple mins later he tells Bernard apparently the number he dialed and this convinces him.

Can someone please explain this entire scene to me? I didn't understand any reference (if there were any)?

45 Comments
2024/06/23
18:03 UTC

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Bunny the Genius

Bunny Colvin was the only one that had any logical answers to shit down the problems Baltimore was facing. One legally one illegally. Crazy things is there are Hamsterfam strips in America now and certain countries have legalized certain drugs so he was ahead of the game. Once he was fired he program to get the kids before they got the corners which was the best idea anyone in the show had to try to stop the kids from the corners. When that got shut down it showed they didn’t want the problems solved they wanted them solved THEIR WAY. No one else came close to preventing crime

72 Comments
2024/06/23
15:06 UTC

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