Welcome back to the Upside-down...

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This is a silly question that has probably been answered but was the Air Force one plane CGI in all the scenes?

Around the 31:50 mark in 100,000 Airplanes, Joey Lucas and Kenny are chatting with each other in sign language while walking down the hall. Does anyone know what they're saying?

I watched this again a few nights ago and still don’t quite understand the distinction between Lord Marbury’s personal opinion and his official opinion as to why Brendan McCann can’t come to the White House. I thought Toby made some good points.

Also, I could listen to Toby and Marbury exchange quips all day long.

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I think she does a phenomenal job in the two final episodes of Season 2. She's playing a seasoned politician and just a magnificently strong character. Very commanding and impressive. A lot what I would think CJ Craig would be like at this stage of her life. Just a great portrayal.

With the season finale of Season 2 of "The Diplomat" (Spoiler Warning for The Diplomat Season 2 Ending, you have been warned!)>!we finally get to see what C.J. Craig might have looked like as the first Female President of the United States as well. I also suspect that she will be a pivotal character in "The Diplomat" for the remainder of the show, however especially for Season 3. !<

Since Hoynes doesn’t win them Texas and Richtie will take Florida, Toby says they have to take the Pacific Coast, Northeast and Industrial Northwest.

That’s California/Oregon/Washington +New York&New England.

What is the industrial northwest? They need to take Pennsylvania/Michigan/Wisconsin.. that’s not the northwest.

Also, this episode implies they won Texas in the general with Hoynes. But it Post-hoc Ergo… CJ says they got whomped in Texas twice!

Honestly, i am hooked! It was my weekend viewing, & just finished the season one finale this evening & don't tell me please but WHO GOT SHOT?! i think its charlie? is it charlie?? don't tell me, but i think its him! ahhh say nothing guys, but i do wana ask, in my last post saw a few mentioning TWW podcast & suggesting i listen to it, should i delve in that now, before going into season 2??

right now, i have to say the best thing i like about the show is the 'feeling' of it, the pace, the dialogue, the writing (many said this too in the comments n when your right, your right) & just the flow of the everyday moments in the episodes, almost more than the actual 'big moments' or the storylines! idk just finding the everyday hustle n bustle, the character interactions to each other so comforting & fun!

so far, i am not a fan of mandy or sam lol will that change you think? a fan so far of CJ & Jed! however, my fav duo got to be Josh & Donna... honestly, these two make an episode for me, i love their banter BUT i am so scared they gona be a couple, i dont want them to be, i just love their friendship!! sorry, ranting, but damn, im hooked, wanted to share with your guys!

Hey all. I know Leo missing his anniv is formative to his plotline, but based on what we see later, wouldn’t Margaret be all over this - gifts- reminders- etc?

I wonder how it would've played out if TWW followed MASH's handling of Col. Henry Blake's death when Mrs. Landingham died. For those who don't know, the cast of MASH was unaware that Blake was to be killed off until Radar told the of his death. Their reactions were real but within character.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/11/politics/stephen-miller-trump-administration/index.html

Hello everyone! I am fairly new to this Reddit page. Regardless I wanted to share my thoughts with you on The West Wing, specifically in how the writers under the direction of Aaron Sorkin, failed to adequately address how real life decisions are made in politics regarding women. With the Trump Administration beginning a second term, it is apparent to me that the West Wing did not understand politics and sold that flawed, selfish vision to Americans.

Regarding women, I will point to how the West Wing did not depict the struggles of women in government, give the actresses independent characters who were not involved in love storylines or more emotional then their male counterparts, much less depict actresses who were not attractive conventionally (something it shared with the law and order universe...eww). As this show takes place in a fictional but relatively realistic American government in the 90s it should be worth nothing that women in the 90s were in a tradition period. More women were being hired yet they never seemed able to reach greater heights on the whole. Women were consistently excluded from top cabinet positions much less internal positions. They faced rampant discrimination that were outright illegal or micro. It was not too long ago when the west wing aired that the head of the Eeoc named Clarence Thomas regularly showed inappropriate material to women and men and reportedly harassed women. Bill Clinton's affair with a lower ranked female employee I think could be seen as a form of sexual harassement. The West wing rarely confronted that despite older employees like McGarry were CLEARLY uncomfortable. It's never how how that bias could easily make the male characters do things that are not becoming. There are more instances of this inability to look at institutional sexism, but you get my point.this failure to deal with institutional issues I think is a reason to explain much of the political confusion nowadays.

Meanwhile more than a decade before the west wing aired, in the island of Great Britain, the show Yes Prime Minsirer aired an episode titled "equal Opprtunities." This show was similar to the West Wing in that it wanted to give the audience a entertaining look at government with a emphasis on comedy. Said comedy was aimed more at how the civil service interacted with a cabinet member/future prime minister. The difference was that Yes Prime Minister was much more willing to be harsher on the status quo and outright make the protagonists...villains of sorts. Plus it was shockingly more realistic when it came to depicting internal government policies. In the episode, the prime minister Jim Hackett decides to hire more women. As this take solace in the 1980s, women were just becoming more "accepted" into the British civil service (Margaret thatcher became the first female prime minister), and the men in charge was more of the previous generations. Be asks his Cabinent Secretary Humphrey to begin the process. Humphrey comedically resists and this is where we get into the scene that force you encapsulates the differences between the two. In a joint closed meeting held by Humphrey, all members in the table express their agreement with the principle of equality, but then proceed to come up with reason not to hire women whether it's because women are "not naturally inclined, not experienced enough, and have kids so they can't dedicate full time." Of course each men say "well I am a feminist and we are all DIVERSE (tehee) but we must hire the best people." This episode, this moment shows how insitutions keep themselves a boys club even when women were on paper SUPPOse to get more rights and how they keep their bigotry hidden behind politeness and reason. All of the men at the meeting are middle class/rich guys who went to the same universities and are all of the same skin color and gender. Which is exactly how most government agencies are even when the politicians say "we will hire more women." And it's funny, and absolutely more realistic than whatever Aaron Sorkin and his team come up with.

To Aaron, the entire West Wing's premise, the institutions themselves aren't the problem, it's the bad apples, the specific men who make things worse, there is no need to understand how and why change comes slowly even if under the right people (who themselves may not be so..enlightened) dictate policy. How os it possible for a workplace to be see chance when there are clear anti discrimination laws in place? Yes Prime Minister got it. West Wing can't understand.

As the title said, I met Joshua Malina stage dooring his show in London over the weekend. A truely lovely man who took time to talk to about the other shows I was seeing that weekend and signed my Sports Night DVD (apparently the first time he's ever signed one!).

If you are in London, please do go see "What We Talk About When We Talk About Anne Frank" at the Marylebone Theatre. It's a fantastic show, as I am sure anyone else who has seen it would attest. It's running until the November 23rd.

My Nth rewatch. Just sharing thoughts I've had many times:

1. How did CJ not know that Danny went to Notre Dame? That had to have come up in the past given how often it comes up with the President

2. Are we meant to infer that Donna's date asked her out because he thought she was Ainsley?

S1E21: When Sam visits Laurie after her graduation, Laurie’s friend, Janine, is going inside. She looks at them, smiles, and her eyes briefly look up and outward—like she’s looking at someone across the street.

Took me 5 rewatches before I picked up on this one. Very subtle, very Sorkin.

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Got a copy of What's Next from my local library to enjoy over the next few weeks only to find it's missing about 12 or 13 pages missing from the book... 😡

I'd also like to mention it's the UK version so no pictures either! Off to amazon.com to get the proper one so!

So a little over a month ago I posted that I had started watching this series and some of the top comments were “You mean you’re watching it for the first of many times”, and I now see what you mean.

I binge watched from about 10pm to 4am last night, and am now on SE2, EP8. And I get it now.

The first episode of Season 2 was an absolute gut punch.

This series is so flipping awesome. I’ve tried to avoid this sub because I want to avoid spoilers, but wow, this show is so damn good.

Looking forward to what’s to come. Will try to post random first reactions when I think appropriate. Once I have finished the series and started on my first RE-Watch, I will definitely be subscribing to this sub.

This show is fantastic.

Cle

As the title suggests, I cannot stand Bartlet. I first watched this show when I was in high school (about 10 years ago) and absolutely loved it. I have lost count of the amount of rewatches I have done. When I have spoken to friends who love the show, they have talked about how they adore Bartlet, but I can't stand the guy. I hate how he has to prove that he is the smartest person in the room.

Maybe it's because I am a Republican, but I love other characters on the show (Leo being my favorite) so I am curious if this is political bias or if other people feel this way.

Edit: Based on the comments, I don't think I was clear in my problem with Barltet. I don't have any issue with him being the smartest person in the room. What I don't like is that on multiple occasions, it seems like he has a need to prove it, and that's the part that I don't like.

I have never exactly gotten this line, having been a watcher of the show for 25 years. I get its implication, broadly, that the promotion led to Bobby’s downfall somehow. But it feels like an inside corporate law joke, and not all of us, however regrettably, worked in corporate law. Can anyone explain this to me?

I am doing a rewatch for the 5th time at least. I watched the show during the original run and one part of the pilot has always bugged me. When Sam is talking to the 2nd graders, he assumed one of the kids was Leo's. Why would Sam think Leo had a kid that young? I get the joke of Sam telling her about sleeping with Laurie, but it just strikes me as unrealistic.

Anyone have similar annoyances?

Did we ever find out what kind of cheese it was? I'm assuming a hard cheese, because Camembert would have made a mess

December 6, 2000, was when Al Gore conceded the US Presidential election to George W Bush

since the ALL the content from the election, its got me interested in this type of show & from what i have read, it seems to have been successful & has a big following, but does it hold up today do you think to a first-time watcher or was it the kinda show you had to experience in its heyday & can be rewatched today for nostalgia reasons or is it worth all the hype & i am going to be obsessed?

EDIT: 1st season binged in 2 n half days & you guys below commenting are all right!! I AM HOOKED!

Watching the Diplomat and can’t believe how much I’m loving Allison Janney as the VP. We need a WW reboot where she comes back after saving the planet.