He's definitely one of my favorites yet I still don't think I fully understand him.

Cause it's like I dislike him... But like him at the same time.

He's hateable but a little sympathetic as well?

I was thinking about Bucky today and I noticed there's something on the back of his hand that looks like a drip in some scenes, which made me wonder... Do we think HYDRA fed him actual food or.....?

I just finished Falcon ( Captain America) and the WS.....A couple questions...

1. So where is senior Steve Rogers? So the show picks up after Endgame where Steve had gone back in time and then aged up to meet up with Sam and Bucky. But they never showed him dying, did they? They say several times in the series that Steve is gone. I mean older Agent Carter got a funeral in Civil War. Shouldn't we be told that their best friend died?

2. What happened to that remaining vial of Super Soldier Serum that Walker grabbed? He pocketed it but they don't ever show it again, do they? It seemed he was going to give it to his buddy before he got killed.

Loved it, should have watched it ages ago lol gave a lot of the same vibes as winter soldier and a little bit of the boys with how John was handled which was great

They went into so much more detail with Bucky and Sam it was very much appreciated

Was so glad when Karli was killed, she was alright at first but didn't like the character that much by the end, going to far but that was the character arc TBF, the actress was damn good

Also a good twist reveal of the Power Broker

10/10 loved the directing also

John Walker deserved to be beaten down by the Dora for disrespecting them by touching Ayo’s shoulder… but the Dora throw a spear at his head when entering the room and apparently he’s not allowed to be upset over that. Double standards indeed.

Can someone explain how anyone managed to get behind this antagonist?

• Wooden acting
• One face through the one show
• One tone
• 14 year old physicality
• Has this unconfident look all the time yet somehow a leader

What even is casting?

I wanted to know more about bucky barnes and found this video! It is so good and funny! The YouTuber is definitely a fan

https://youtu.be/VUVbV_yzJfY

During a recent rewatch, I noticed that Bucky had Zemo on his “to make amends list”. Why? I can’t recall Bucky doing anything bad to Zemo. In fact, it was the other way around. Zemo used the words to control Bucky and as a result people got hurt. So why did Bucky feel he had to make amends to Semo?

this has been on my mind for a while:

TFATWS could have been a show that hammered home the "next generation" theme really well.

For this, the show would probably have to be redone from the start, but I feel like a lot could still be done if they bend the whole thing a bit.

The headcanon that went on in mine for a while is one where, in addition to Sam and Bucky, a team made out of the younger characters introduced to us forms, with the two of them functioning as half their mentors, half representation of the previous generation that can learn something from them too.

First things first:

hate to say it, but the story could have done without Zemo. He was fun, but they really changed the character, and I prefer the original - the everyguy soldier who faced and really caused problems for the superheroes with nothing but his mind and called them out on the consequences of their actions. And to me, the show would have had a lot more weight by only introducing Karli, John Walker and Sharon Carter as countering the heroes, because each of them can give a pretty solid story for why they became this way, and it all relates back directly to the consequences of other people's actions. If anything, MARVEL missed out on producing some anti-heroes and one villian who keep the audience at the edge of their seat and, most of all, don't swerve.

So here are the changes I would have made:

Karli - doesn't bomb the building in Vilnius or threaten Sam's family - and the plot around what happens to Lemar is changed too. Now, while in a one-on-one fight with him, he is severely injured and nearly dies, leading John to lose it and kill Karli's friend - it still makes sense that he would react this way since it has been established his actions while serving in the militairy still weigh on him. I even once had a plot in mind where, right after this scene, she is kidnapped by SWORD and replaced with a Skrull - then even her character breach would make sense since for someone from this species, after all that's been done to them, to lash out against the opression they know she is fighting more agressively while still maintaining the facade of being the same person. The other option would be that, in this series of events, Karli, after a different kind of battle, maybe even one against Sharon and her forces directly who try to pin the blame on the Flagsmashers for an act of terrorism (aka giving people an excuse to announce them the enemy, something according to her, everyone is waiting for), is the only survivor of her team who Sharon killed without mercy - maybe even with a snide remark that Karli should have either stayed down or with her, and making fun of her trying to change things. It would then be interesting to see her fire back that she will not stop, and Sam and Bucky letting her leave, maybe even preventing John Walker from going after her

John Walker - now his struggle beings when Lemar is wounded and briefly thought dead - John spends the next episode visiting him in the hospital, where he is in a coma. It would also be interesting to see the SWORD personell responsible maybe working with the US and other governments militairy and hiding him away in a secret base, telling John that he has passed so he will hunt Karli down for them - which would be juicy because they would be taking advantage of his mental state that the war created to do their dirty work. The story would continue in season 2 in which he still has been fired and recruited again, but now eventually hunts Karli down - but in this scenario, they never spoke in person and the whole scene before their one-on-one fight never happened. He watches her from a distance, seeing her supporting the other refugees and, most importantly, playing with the present children, which moves him as he is about to become a father soon (let's go for the trad family agle for now, there's eventually more too). He still tries to push himself, but realizes that he can't go ahead and try to kill her - because what for? The US militairy has never been as good to him as they claimed, it broke him in fact, and now he's supposed to kill a poor teenage girl who wanted to make a change? Because they said so? Even "doing it for Lemar" doesn't work anymore because through a conversation with Sam trying to talk sense into him at some point, he recognizes that Lemar died or was injured in service, and that Karli didn't mean to kill him - and that revenge doesn't change anything. Perhaps, as he watches her, he even remembers a spirited, idealistic young man he might have been at some point before going to war ... so, as she picks up on someone's eyes on her, he has left. I also see his arc as him learning to overcome who the militairy and maybe even society expected him to be and opening up, expressing his feelings and thoughts on his own terms - first to Sam, Bucky and his wife, and eventually Lemar as they reunite.

For Lemar and Olivia, his wife, I can actually see two subplots as well emerging - Lemar aka Battlestar could probably provide some insight into SWORD's current plans when it comes to Super Soldiers (chances are he escaped at some point, after being healed with super serum - what would be juicy in this scenario would be him being sent after Eli Bradley with threats to his family if he talks to anyone or asks for help ... I wonder if Sam and Bucky could do something now, being a veteran councelor and a super soldier with a past ... and it would be interesting to see how the group works together to rescue both him and Eli, or how both of them contribute on their own to that. Teamwork, right? Going to Olivia, idk, I just really want the new group to be a band of five ... and why should she get excluded? And it would be a very interesting plot twist if, suffering a terrible injury before giving birth, she somehow was given or gave herself the super serum to survive ... leading the baby to inherit the powers via her body and the group knowing that they'll once be in as much danger as Eli.

My fav plot would be: after John turns away from killing Karli the first time, someone lures her to his house and stages an attack on it, providing footage of her being close (although he is becoming suspicious already) - she manages to get Olivia out of the burning building and uses one of her last viles of serum to save her. When John and her reunite, he is shocked to hear that she carries this burden now too, but she tells him that maybe it's time she got the chance to protect him in reverse too. Also, roll him asking Karli why she saved her, with latter replying "Because that's just what one does. I couldn't leave her there - and I'm not your enemy, Walker. I never wanted to be." ... "Guess not."

Eli Bradley - he is actually a character from the comics just like Lemar aka Battlestar, and I think it's no coincedence that he was included in the show. I think the writers might go for an arc where it's revealed that the super serum powers of his grandfather were passed onto him too, which Isiah is determined to hide to protect him from the government. However, it is eventually revealed - in this scenario, it would have been interesting to see not just Sam and Bucky, but also Karli and John showing up to protect him - this could be a first instance of the latter two being on the same page, in that they can't let him be captured and forced to become a soldier, not to mention that they won't let him be experimented on like his grandfather was. This could be a lenghthy plot, even for the current canon of the show ... it's everyone coming together and standing up to the militairy and SWORD. It's difficult to characterize him as of now, since he barely gets any lines in season 1, but I can see him become an established member of the group eventually.

However, that's Karli, Olivia, John, Lemar and Eli - aka a group of super soldiers that now join Sam and Bucky, being the group leaders and more or less mentors of the group - more or less because each of the members is an adult in their own way, with own ideas and valid points. Maybe they will be approached by the Thunderbolts, but for now, they're just this team. Named "Five Stars" maybe? It's kinda cheesy, but I like it - also, if MARVEL wanted to go "new america" with them, it could be something they would choose.

Sometimes I wonder if they still could do a full reboot by claiming either multiverse or timeline changes stuff

Thank you very much for reading :)

Edit: Karli, Olivia, Lemar, Eli, John - K.O.L.E.J. aka "College" - lol I'm keeping this ^^

It was a SamBucky one shot collection set sometime around the show. One of the later chapters was about Sam and Bucky getting pets that acted like the other. There was a good amount of whump chapters.

I apparently didn't bookmark it and my subscriptions are far to many to be helpful.

Great show 2 of my favorite characters in Marvel especially in the MCU... I really hope Bucky is not just a cameo in New World Order. He's so important to the character and the mythos. Plus the dynamic between him and Sam is just great.

Of course there are some things that I didn't enjoy and some things that were absolutely ridiculous but that's to be expected. It's one of the better pieces of media from Phase 4.

My one real bad gripe about the show is the fact that Sam carries out Karli who is dead as a doornail instead of his friend Sharon Carter who was shot in the stomach halfway through the last episode. Not to mention the fact that she most likely saved his life.

I missed this when the show first aired because I was stuck watching Disney Plus on my phone but now that I'm actually watching them on a TV I'm picking up all sorts of stuff that I missed from all different shows. Either way I think it's utterly ridiculous and yeah it was a total mistake. It's actually laughable when you watch it...

Yeah I tagged this with a spoiler I don't want to receive a permanent ban but the show's been out for years now... Just saying anyone that's reading a discussion about the shows plot on this subreddit is spoiling themselves.