/r/sudburyschools

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A subreddit for those interested in the Sudbury model of education or for those who are currently involved in a Sudbury school.

This is an online community for all those interested in true and free democratic education, or more specifically, Sudbury schools. We welcome family, friends, staff members, supporters, parents, students, skeptics, and anyone in between to use this forum to discuss, debate, and ask lots of questions about Sudbury schools.

What is a Sudbury school?

A Sudbury school is a school that models itself after Sudbury Valley School (SVS), the original school to develop and use this model of education. Sudbury Valley opened it's doors in 1968 and is still going strong today. It is difficult, if not impossible, to peg down a specific definition of what a Sudbury school is or what criteria a school needs to follow to call itself a Sudbury school. The nature of the model is that the school fits the community members it serves. Therefore, each Sudbury school is unique from one another because each school serves a different demographic or community. There are a few fundamental key factors, however, that most Sudbury schools have in common:

  • Freedom: students in Sudbury schools are free to learn whatever they think it suitable in their own way, on their own time. Sudbury schools are free from curriculum, standardized testing, and arbitrary schedules.

  • Democracy: Sudbury schools are working democracies. Every member in a school (usually this body is called School Meeting) has one vote about every decision that is made. That includes day to day rules, as well as larger decisions like the hiring and firing of staff. There are no decisions that the adults (usually called staff) can override; there are no outcomes that the staff can veto. Sudbury schools are true, working democracies.

  • Age Mixing: Because Sudbury schools do not separate or group children by arbitrary standards like age or ability, students of all ages are free to play and interact with each other at will. This allows for what some call the "secret" of Sudbury schools: age mixing. It is not uncommon to visit a Sudbury school and see 5 year olds playing with teenagers, staff collaborating with 10 year olds, or a cohort of kids of all ages all playing a complicated game together. Students "group" themselves, and those groups are always flexible and changing - and are rarely defined by age.

I want to learn more!

There is an excellent audio interview by Mimsy Sadofsky, one of the founders of SVS, that has been transcribed and posted here. SVS uses this article as their "FAQ," and is a good place to start if you're newly discovering Sudbury schools.

If you want to dive deeper into the Sudbury world, we recommend starting at sudval.org. The articles section has tons of great resources and literature, including parent and student testimonials. SVS (Sudbury Valley School) also has a variety of books written by School Meeting Members about the model. Those books can be found and purchased here. If you are looking for a list of other Sudbury schools in and out of the US, SVS has a list that can be found here. Each Sudbury school usually also has lots of literature and testimonials on their respective websites.

r/SudburySchools Guidelines

We know a lot of people are unfamiliar with Sudbury schools and/or democratic education, so it is both expected and reasonable to ask all kinds of questions here. That being said, please try to refrain from comments that are dismissive or rude. Even if you don't agree with the model as a whole or an aspect of the model being discussed here, please try to refrain from comments that directly attack other posters or are blatantly offensive. When asking questions, please try to phrase what you're asking as specifically impossible. For example, instead of asking "how does this not just turn into Lord of the Flies?" you could ask, "Could you explain the details of how discipline is handled in a Sudbury school?" or "What happens if the majority of voters in a Sudbury school vote for an unwise rule or decision?" If you're unsure about a comment or question, please feel free to message the moderators for help or guidance! We are here to help.

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Fairhaven School podcast

I’m a long time parent at Maryland’s first Sudbury school (Fairhaven, Upper Marlboro, MD). They recently did a podcast where they interviewed me about what it was like to have a child attending from the age of 5 to 19. Parents of potential students might find this informative or helpful while trying to navigate their school choices. I’m a longtime educator with older kids who went the traditional schooling route, so my perspective might be slightly different.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5qXfNkoTx4bfoig0G3kMv5?si=y3Z-ZQDgQG-QXdGvwTNzoA

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2024/05/07
17:01 UTC

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Is a Sudbury school good for if I want to be a pilot?

I am a 14m and my parents are thinking about transferring me from a public high school to a Sudbury school and I was just curious on how these schools work and if they have a future for me. And also what do I even need to graduate?

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2024/04/05
16:02 UTC

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Two takeaways from a Sudbury student applying to college.

I'm a student currently enrolled at a Sudbury School, and I'm graduating this year. Since there isn't a platform for this information, I'll post it here.

Getting accommodations for the SAT was a struggle. I didn't get them.

I am diagnosed with ADHD and take medication for it. The College Board demanded proof my ADHD interferes with my capabilities in the classroom... I'm entirely self-educated. There is no "class." The staff members at my school don't watch me all day while I use Khan Academy and YouTube.

I've heard ADHD medication wouldn't benefit someone academically who doesn't have ADHD. The first test I took on medication, my score skyrocketed. In their letter, the College Board also said my ADHD wasn't affecting my test taking. Tell that to my original score.

I have trouble focusing. Medication helped me ignore external stimuli while taking the test, but imagine if you didn't want to go on stimulant medication. Oh, well, good luck.

Stay away from Florida colleges. If you're going to a Sudbury School, don't bother. Five universities in Florida rejected me. FAU, being one, was the least prestigious school to which I applied. While I was applying to UCF, a higher-up demanded I write an exhaustive explanation of Sudbury's methodology.

I also had to include paragraphs about how I learned basic things. She cited Florida law, which demanded specific coursework be completed for an applicant to be reviewed. Despite this lady's best effort to make me look like Sisyphus, I completed the thing to all her specifications. I sent it to her directly, as she requested.

No other college made me do anything like this; even the other ones in Florida allowed me to complete my application once I submitted everything. She ghosted me after I submitted it and continued to ghost me after I emailed her countless times. Here's the gist of what I'm saying: I believe those laws, as mentioned earlier, caused my downfall.

Missing one unit requirement wasn't an issue elsewhere. For instance, FAU rejected me, but I got into well-known state universities all over, even in the South. I didn't have to painstakingly explain my life to get scholarships at those places.

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2024/04/05
03:29 UTC

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Transforming Schools into Democratic Communities | Ramin Farhangi | TEDxIHEParis

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2024/04/04
14:18 UTC

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You should check out Not Back To School Camp!

Hi all! I'm Ben, I'm a 19 year old grown unschooler. I'm writing here because I attended Not Back To School Camp last year and it was a truly wonderful, and dare I say, life changing experience. It's a camp for self-directed learners with sessions in Oregon and Vermont. It brought a wonderful community of people and a new range of new experiences into my life! I would sincerely recommend it other self-directed learners. They're in the early bird state of sign-ups right now, so I would definitely check it out if you know someone who may be interested. Happy to answer any questions based on my personal experience : )

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2024/03/17
14:50 UTC

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Sudbury + Community?!

Are there any Sudbury or SDE schools/programs in the US that have a good community built up in the area for us unconventional, quirky, neurospicy, crunchy, unschooling types?!? Looking to transplant somewhere with a good strong alternative culture and a Sudbury/SDE home for our kiddos 4-16! Thanks 🙏🏼

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2024/03/02
17:40 UTC

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Sudbury schools in Taiwan?

Hi I'm having my first child due this summer. I'm also a research psychologist (social and political psychology) who will be a PhD candidate next year (assuming I pass the test) as well as a former educator (both in the united States and in Taiwan).

I've seen first hand the effects of education on the youth here. Fir example Taiwan has the longest school day in the world and the vast majority of students also attend cram school which culminates in roughly 12 hours a day of school. That's not even to mention the time spent working on home work. This has left most students incredibly sleep deprived, little to no exercise exposure, and with some of the highest rates of depression and anxiety in the world.

I've recently discovered Peter Gray's free to learn book. I'm still in the process of reading more research on the topic (and considering drafting research proposals centered on his theory) but find it on the whole very compelling. Specifically, from an anecdotal perspective, the argument for free play and "unschooling" (for lack of a better word I know the Sudbury Model is different from the so called unschooling model) resonates deeply with me.

Growing up, I excelled at school but was always frustrated by the impediments that come from school models, specifically being corraled into a unitary pace of learning. Additionally I was constantly frustrated by the lack of context behind the information. After transitioning to middle and highschool bullying set in which reinforced a negative and rebellious attitude towards school.

Later I had sworn off academics entirely. Ironically it was a choice made to join the US Marines that changed my perspective. Having made a choice to learn and work towards a goal that was entirely my own enabled me to learn information far quicker than I had believed. The rigid structure in the Marines also produced bullies, however the new found autonomy in terms of individual choice and purpose made these conditions more bearable. In the Marines I was eventually given the opportunity to attend community college courses after work hours which involved actual invention and discovery that was absent in public education. Eventually I transitioned from anti academics to graduate school and teaching.

However, the more I learn about the ways in which humans learn and the importance of play not even for children but for adults as well the more I'm convinced that the traditional school model is not only inefficient but detrimental as a whole.

This has led me to worrying about my soon to be born newborn. I don't want him or her to suffer from public schooling. Luckily, my wife is very open minded and progressive and is supportive of my view (having suffered herself from public schooling).

However, as I search, I can't seem to find anything available at all here in Taiwan. Education is a huge business here (and those cram schools even have political power). I see there's one in Okinawa though (physical quite close). Sometimes information can be difficult to find if you can't read Chinese though. So I was wondering if anyone here knew if any Sudbury schools or home school groups run on Sudbury Model maybe, existed?

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2024/01/26
04:03 UTC

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Hey, I’m new here. I wanna hear it all

Hi! I’m looking into alternate schooling for my kids. They are both currently enrolled in public school and the learning techniques are not at all meshing with the way my oldest learns.

So many questions -

If you have a child that transitioned from public to Sudbury school, how did they do?

On the flip side of that, how did transitioning from Sudbury back to public or from Sudbury to college go? Were your kids academically prepared? Or were the struggles with those types of academics just postponed?

I have found nothing but good reviews of the nearby Sudbury school. This makes me a bit apprehensive and makes me think that not all of them are real — or it’s just a cult and they have all drank the kool aid.

Thanks for hearing me out- I look forward to hearing your responses!

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2023/09/29
02:38 UTC

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Another Update

This sub is now public, meaning approval is no longer required to join. I'm also looking for a banner, so if anyone has any ideas, let me know.

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2023/06/19
23:40 UTC

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What is something your school does that you think would benefit other Sudbury schools?

Like the title says: any practice or thing that your school does.

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2023/06/19
18:05 UTC

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Update

Hi, I am making this post to let people know that this sub now has moderators. The last top moderator was inactive, so I got permission to take over the sub. In the coming days, I'd love to improve upon this sub. I want to find an appropriate banner and icon, change the color scheme, update the flair, add new rules, and more. I'm excited to try and get this sub active. I'd love to add more Sudbury students and have this place be a forum for anyone who is or was involved with a Sudbury school to talk about anything, but I'd also love it to be open to everyone who's interested.

Thanks.

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2023/06/14
02:56 UTC

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Where can I learn how to start my own Sudbury school?

I've been told by a Sudbury school student that the Sudbury Valley School's "Starting Kit" for sale at their website is "worthless", and Jerry Mintz's course on starting a Sudbury school is very expensive.

I'm often referred to the Agile Learning Centers' guide, but ALC is not really what I'm looking for.

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2020/05/17
01:36 UTC

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Learning math in liberal education

Hello,
Ive been following democratic and all kinds of alternative schools for a while now. I really emphasize with the approach that the child is going to learn stuff he/she wants to learn.
But what about math? Is a 17 year old guy who discovered passion for engineering able to understand mathematical approach without having a rigid educational process? It would be best to hear some stories :)

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2020/03/27
11:25 UTC

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Sudbury survey to show how good it is

school survey

i writing a research paper on about sudbury vs public school please take the time to take it

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2020/02/06
21:06 UTC

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I made an ad for my sudbury school!

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2020/01/30
21:26 UTC

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How long should me thesis be?

Hello fellow free school and sudbury students. I am posed to graduate this year and I started writing my thesis a little while ago I'm at a point where I have to decide how long I want it to be. I'm just curious how long other people made theirs. Our school is only 5 years old and have only had 1 graduate so I really don't have anything to go off of for reference.

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2020/01/30
17:29 UTC

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Question about the financial realities

I have always wondered about the finances of Sudbury schools--both for students and for those who started the school or work at the school. How many students does a school need for it to be viable? What is the typical student:staff ratio? How many students would like to attend but cannot due to financial constraints? If someone starts a Sudbury school, how much do they struggle just to stay afloat?

I teach biology for a small university and we homeschool our children. I have considered starting quitting my job to start a Sudbury school, but my biggest concern is that it could be all-consuming and not provide financial security. My wife's biggest concern is that she would be stuck with too many logistics and would not find the same relaxed atmosphere that she enjoys as a homeschooling mom, or that one of us would need extra employment just to keep the school open. I would love to hear any experiences or insights from this group.

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2019/11/27
21:13 UTC

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I love being JC clerk

I’m not sure if your guys school has the job of JC clerk. Basically it’s just sitting in in jc writing down everything hey happens in jc. Basically though I’m just a silent observer who gets to be on his phone mostly in reddit. Overall it is the best job.

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2019/11/06
16:14 UTC

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At your sudbury school, how does the school handle social media?

So I go to a sudbury school and wanted to see how other sudbury schools handle their social media as in, do you have a committee for social or does a specific person run them or some other system? At my school we are trying to come up with a system for our social accounts and I am interested how other sudbury schools handle their's.

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2019/11/04
23:13 UTC

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[Part 1] From Democratic Free Schools to Democratic Free Communities

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2019/05/07
17:30 UTC

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[Part 1] From Democratic Free Schools to Democratic Free Communities

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2019/05/07
17:05 UTC

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Thoughts on Play

The second video in out One Idea at a Time series is out. It is a perspective on play by Mimsy Sadofsky, excerpted from a talk at Harvard.

Thoughts on Play

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2019/03/02
23:34 UTC

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Sudbury Valley School Spring Open House

The Sudbury Valley School invites prospective students, prospective parents, and interested others, to an Open House at the school. Saturday April 26th, 2019, from 1PM to 4PM. It's an opportunity to meet with students, parents, and staff of the school, for conversation both intense and casual.

https://preview.redd.it/ibtxz3nwjsh21.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=ba5c761ee4a2c30fe2c30a7dd972c7cbc54c16b2

https://sudburyvalley.org/open-house

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2019/02/20
21:27 UTC

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Sudbury School Unsuccessful Stories

I'm interested in stories of unsuccessful students, Sudbury method is intriguing to me, on one hand the idea makes complete sense, on other hand it looks very risky to me as a father of a 2,5 YO wonderfuly developing boy.

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2019/02/11
11:19 UTC

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Human Curiosity slideshow, from the Sudbury Valley School Press

The Sudbury Valley School has an integrated philosophy of education, filling a large library of books and talks. Describing the school is sometimes complicated by how these ideas interact with and bolster one another; making it close to impossible to describe the school in one sentence.

In an effort to break these ideas down, the Sudbury Valley School is beginning a series of short (1-2 minute) slideshows, each of which feature one idea at a time, isolated and presented.

The first one offered is on Human Curiosity, and can be found on YouTube.

SVS One Idea at a Time

https://preview.redd.it/tt1yaggxiqf21.jpg?width=5760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=999c276cc129a2ab98a41a83e6e241e8f1a4e93e

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2019/02/10
12:30 UTC

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