/r/Sovereigncitizen
Sovereign Citizen was created to provide a resource for like minded individuals to learn about (and laugh at) people who have declared themselves "sovereign citizens", especially those who run afoul of the law.
Sovereign Citizen was created to provide a resource for like minded individuals to learn about (and laugh at) people who have declared themselves "sovereign citizens", especially those who run afoul of the law.
Resources
Idiot Legal Arguments: A Casebook for Dealing with Extremist Legal Arguments
FBI: Sovereign Citizens A Growing Domestic Threat to Law Enforcement
Southern Poverty Law Center on the Sovereign Citizens Movement
"A Legal Response to the Sovereign Citizen Movement" - Montana Law Review
Rules
No trolling
Those who identify themselves as "Sovereign Citizens" will probably be banned, even if they are joking
Discussions will stay on topic
No comments defending "Sovereign Citizens" will be tolerated
No direct links to reddit comments or submissions will be allowed. If you must, please simply post a screenshot.
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I had an ex worker who went down this route and ended up getting arrested for driving on a suspended license and resisting arrest. He was finger printed and released but told me all about it. He went on about how when the officials know that you're no longer part of the system they tend to harass you to prove a point. Isn't the main reason of escaping the system to avoid harassment. Now he's saying they owe him millions of dollars. Any ways it's sound like excuse after excuse of why their shit doesn't work and they can't just admit it's all nonsense. How can they continue to go down this rabbit hole when literally nothing of this idea of there's actually works?
When a sovicit files a lawsuit for civil rights violation against individual officers or even a county department do the official ever get intimated even in the slightest sense ?
I wonder if Moscow Trump and his wife Elonia will look to change the validity of the SovCit under the new admin or not?
Evening to the users of r/Sovereigncitizen.
As the title states, I’m honestly waiting for any YouTube channel that covers Sovereign Citizen doing that same argument during a traffic stop because their “personal conveyance” is Self-Driving. In their view, they are not responsible for that because their hands are not in the steering wheel.
By the way, there’s a Court Cam video where a woman, not a Sovcit by the way, argued that she was not responsible for her self-driving car going 83 mph. Just because your car is “self-driving” does not mean you’re exempt from any responsibility down the road, you’re still the driver of said self-driving car if it got into a crash.
Here’s the vid in question: https://youtu.be/Y8SClEosRs4?si=xS1de5HDKHJwp14Q
Either way, they would still lose.
I’m honestly curious in reading your answers to this. 😂
Finally saw a sovereign citizen plate in the wild.
I'm really surprised how long it's taken courts to understand how to deal with Sovtards. I do understand that judges move on, because they don't want to get into those circular arguments.
For example.. words that will instantly cut these arguments off at the knees.
The best sentence I've seen used by a judge was this one, "We do not recognize that". While a sovcit was trying to tell a judge about travel in something like blacks law.. the judge said, "We do not recognize that".. The sovcit was instantly stopped in his tracks, with a blank look on his face, and had no idea how to argue past that... It's truly one of the best responses because it stops arguments, it doesn't assert authority, and it's not confrontational to the sovcit.. I'm wondering why judges don't just say this??
Another good one is when a traveler is asking for a supervisor.. A cop says, "You want more cops here??".. It kneecaps him later and can't say "why are all these cop cars here?"
Another one is for a cop. Sovcit ask, "where your articulate suspicion?".. cops should always say, "Your lights are off" (or whatever it is), which leads the sovcit to say, "That'sthem NOT A CRIME!"... and the cops response should ALLWAYS NEVER argue those circles.. But instead, they should stay on target with "But I did tell you that articulate suspicion, right? Cops should bring it back, and don't let them lead then around and around with circular arguments over and over.
Just wondering why have these round and rounds...
Just catching up on the TV show 911. S8E9 has an interesting Sovereign moment if you haven’t seen it.
We see plenty of instances of courtroom footage, and instances of varying police or bureaucrats being presented with this stuff. How about an instance inside a prison or jail?
https://youtu.be/FX2rfR7yhac?si=kZqqT6tFxbHX2rLk a goof friend sent me this interview and I want to look out for his best interests. He likes his conspiracy theories and can be gullible sometimes. Anyone heard of this "Brotha Truth" guy? Or the YouTube channel?
I like or even agree with a lot of the stuff these guys say until it gets into kind of gaming this system for your own gain, which seems like the scam. But this is all new to me. They talk a lot about setting up your own estate and status correction. It seems like some truth mixed with BS to me.
His website is Iselflawammaster.com acronym I.S.L.A.M. which seems to be a joke. He offers classes for a price there, starting at $99, then one is over $2k.
Side note, anyone have any resources or information on any of these types of laws, trusts, securities ect? Is it all just made up language or a misrepresentation of what this stuff is? Thanks.
I've been thinking about writing a novel in which one of the "private, not for commercial purposes" license plate crowd is the hero. He'll do ordinary sovereign citizen things like illegally possessing fully-automatic weapons, calling well-meaning, low-level government functionaries "members of the regime," and bizarrely idolizing the elected country sheriff, but not his deputies.
I'm looking for plot points. Any fun ideas?
Honest question, when the next guy takes over, will SovCit's be legal, or illegal? Where will they get deported to if they do?
I don’t understand this stuff every video I see it’s always “I’m not driving I’m Traveling” what on earth does this mean? Then it’s something about the original constitution and common law. Something about maritime court. Can someone go through the basics of this movement so I can understand this stuff better?
First of all, you guys are too funny. I’m tired of watching people do it wrong, so I’m going to give you the up and up. Our rights are weak because of the lack of excersize. Some of you don’t even vote, and when you do, you act like it’s a choice between only 2 people like you’re some illiterate person incapable of thinking for yourself. This in no way is a incitation violence and should not be taken that way. Any information should be used at your own risk and discretion. I just want to see if someone is actually going to put some actual effort into it and be the hero for the rest.
1.) The term sovereign citizen is an oxymoron. How can you be sovereign, or self ruling, and a citizen. Just call yourself “free”, as in as free as an American that just gained their independence from the British. Don’t you forget the lives lost as the cost of our freedom and any infringement on this freedom is like a bait and switch of what the founding fathers of this nation had fought and died for.
2.) Right to travel. Yes there is a right to travel freely whether by chariot or automobile. A driver’s license is a license to be a driver, not to drive. Therefore, driving is a right and not just a privilege. Doesn’t mean be a dumbass about it tho. Drive safely and be courteous. You should not be required to have a driver’s license, nor register your vehicle with the state because you have the right to remain silent and don’t have to disclose your ownership of a vehicle to anyone.
3.) Speaking of privilege. This is the one the gun nuts are going to go crazy about as some states are currently asserting what they call a constitutional carry. The 2nd amendment is an unalienable right. One should be free to enjoy this right as freely as the first amendment right to freedom of religion. You don’t need a license or permit to believe in a religion, nor register articles related to the practice of followed religion, and the 2nd amendment should be no different in that it is unalienable and should not he infringed upon.
4.) If you’re going to end up in court you might as well play your cards right. Represent yourself first of all. The judge will “advise you this is a bad decision.” Probably even sound like they are reading off some sort of script. Then you request a different judge due to “conflict of interest.” They will reply with some scripted bullshit about being assigned by the court system as having the least conflict of interest. Tell them you politely and respectfully disagree. They should go to the back for like 5 to 10 minutes while you think to yourself wtf have you just done. Then they will give you a book to read off of. Use the following as arguements of conflict of interest as they apply in whatever order you decide, but careful not to use all at once. This stuff is usually disclosed at the defense table on a piece of tape or list of donors:
Conflict #1: The judge used to be a district attorney and they’d likely view things in favor of a prosecutor.
Conflict #2: The judge has a list of donors in which they probably rule in favor of and I’m not one of them.
Conflict #3: The judge has a law degree, and/or was previously a lawyer. They probably still have some student debt they are paying off. In either case, it would be best in the judges financial interests to rule against anyone without a law degree to protect the value of their education. After all, it wouldn’t be good for business or their education if people started winning cases without a lawyer.
If they still won't let your ass go, then ask for a jury of "your peers." Tell them it's kangaroo court and the prosecution is a manipulative person trying to sway your opinion like a magician or illusionist trying to convince you that what you hear and see is the truth.
5.) Federal income taxes? Why would you tell anyone how much you make? That shit is voluntary. You have the right to remain silent.
6.) Resisting arrest aka PC 148. This is the catch 22 of the legal world. If they have nothing to charge you with, they will slap you with this. Even gold, one of the most conductive materials on the planet, has a resistance relative to its dimensions. They applied this law to excuse the police misconduct and protect from any future lawsuits. This bullshit law and the 13th amendment is an abusive combination to enslave the people of this country.
I find this topic interesting, so please debate me and if you do any of these things, put some effort into it at the very least. I’d be happy to debate and discuss some of these things if you like.
Sorry about the poor paragraph spacing, I did this from my phone. I’ll probably edit later for typos. Enjoy. ;)
Edited: fixed typos, spacing, and added #5 for the Wesley in all of us and added #6 to explain why you got your ass kicked by the police. Also, extended #4. I'll add more for fun later if I think of something. ;)
Edited 2: Fixed the numbering and structure.
How dare he not do what he was told. Can't wait to hear the excuses...
Hello to all and thanks in advance! My baby boy was born in a local regional hospital in Kansas on 11/22(Sunday). I was informed enough to not sign any consents (even amidst relentless pressure). We were discharged on a Sunday, which was an oversight of the hospital as my wife and I had not filled out the Birth Certificate and the registrar was off for the day.
As expected, Monday morning we received a somewhat panicked message from the "birth certificate lady", at first saying that she didn't see our application, then a latter message saying that she was going to send it in with the first name "baby" and also apply for a SS#. We responded saying the we don't consent and that our attorney would be in touch. Problem is: I don't yet have an attorney and am unsure how to go about finding this particular kind of legal help. Any and all informational resource that may help me go about this would be greatly appreciated, as I've a feeling I'm running short on time.
I have a very basic understanding of the system and it's misleading "registration" regarding birth certificates. I've read "The UCC Connection" and "Meet Your Strawman" by Howard Freeman, am part the way through Melvin Stamper's "Fruit From a Poisonous Tree". As such, most of the information I've come across is about how to remedy our "already in the system" status, whereas I'm trying to best protect my boy from it initially.
I truly thank you all for any assistance you that may help me navigate this!!!
He was the "Step back Sir" taser guy?
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Pretty much the plot of the video was someone explaining you have to agree to go to prison by playing by their rules but by changing your status you're immune.
Talks about corruption of national treasury and validity of "negotiable instruments". My friend who went down the rabbit hole told me to read it.