I don’t know who’s more annoying the laurena,Irene or Alton but the thing that pisses me off is Alton thinks he can make decisions that big and make decisions for Franklin’s business and his business partners like if stay in yo lane was a person he would be it in my opinion he had that shit coming how are you gonna put your entire family at risk and turn away from the business but like how did he start that shelter ? Franklin yeah Irene and Laurena may have been annoying but they never bit the hand that fed them Alton had that shit coming fucking with the money,fucking with the cia, doing everything in his power to get killed basically if it was any random person Franklin would have had them crucified but here’s the thing that mf is basically a random person who didn’t show up until 2 years ago and also all that white supremacy bs he was talking with teddy like mf you were a drunk and couldn’t hold a fucking job like Alton really annoys the shit out of me

i think franklin should've swallowed his pride once cissy killed teddy, he should've went back to leon and worked with him somehow instead of threatning him to take his money or should've just started from zero yet again instead of trying to reach from zero to 100, ending up falling in negative numbers or at least accepting leon paying for his house taxes and working with him, what do y'all think?

guys I just finished episode 1 of season 6 and it was absolute cinema. Jerome literally lost his mind and I today black diamond and dallas (my goats) take revenge against him. FRANKLIN SAINT ON TOP ( FUCK TED MCDONALDS )

I’m only on S2E1 but I feel like every episode Franklin is being fucked up in one way or another. Guy needs a holiday already

How do you guys thinks snowfall competes with these others shows in terms of writing and story quality? Personally I think the original narcos surpasses it because of its consistency but I'd say it's just as good or better than narcos mexico and ozarks. I feel like snowfall has better characterization while ozarks has better dialogue and narcos mexico the more consistent (Not as its predecessor)

I’m so mad that I don’t remember because ik it was the style black in the 80s for our folks, and I can’t seem to remember what it’s called I always see it in damn near every 80s based black movie or show

Does anyone else feel like Franklin killing that locksmith was unnecessary? Obviously he was spiraling and not in his right mind but I think he probably could’ve let him go and been fine.

I haven't changed my favorite show in a decade. Today, I proudly share that I've found a new one. The writing was as flawless as possible with acting that was on Par with the best of productions. The development, arcs, cinematography, score/mixing, omg it was incredible. Thank you all for encouraging me to watch it, thanks to YouTube's algorithm for first showing me the Saint, and getting my attention. I'm just very greatful to have found a break from life. Thank you all, I appreciate the community that I've found.

I know the majority of men will agree with me. All the women in snowfall were terrible. That woman that Gustavo was with in season six is pretty cool beside the fact that she is a rat lover🤦🏾‍♂️. Do any of the women agree with me? Overall I find all the characters very off putting. Jerome was decent. I wish he pulled out earlier and left Louie. Lmk. All the characters rubbed me the wrong way. Overall message, stay out of the drug game

Just finished the series. Great show but every character rubs me the wrong way in the end. Every character is a hypocritical piece of shit. Kane is probably the most solid or manboy. The rest just pissed me off. Especially Leon marrying Wanda🤦🏾‍♂️😂. Nobody’s solid which is a great reflection of the dope game. All unstable assholes.

I just finished episode 10 of season 5 and that was the best episode I've ever seen in my entire life. Even the credits were good ( Straight outta compton is peak music ) and I want Ted die and suffer for everything.

Holy shit this dude sucks. On my first watch-thru, only on episode 7 so far. But holy shit why does he act like he wants to fuck his cousin? Creepy ass foo. & he’s always gettin high off his own supply fucking his own family’s business. Wish oso would’ve killed buddy the first time he tried to threaten him

DON'T FUCK WITH KARVEL!!! HE'LL MAKE YOUR LIFE RIP-ASS HELL!!

The ending was amazing, and the show was spectacular, but tbh, I feel like they added a lot of content without fully expanding on it. Like, that whole CIA arc should’ve been explored more. I wanted to see more of Teddy’s ex-wife and thought she’d help Cissy stop the CIA project. They could’ve expanded on so much, but ig leaving us hungry for more was a smart play. Not to mention Leon and Wanda in Africa? Who ran things in The Projects, Compton and Inglewood after Saint and Manboy were gone? (Can’t be Skully since he turned Christian or whatever.) I feel like there should’ve been way more, but yeah, that’s just my opinion.

I just finish snowfall and the ending is probably the most depressing ending i have ever seen don't get me wrong the ending is really good really well thought out but literally everyone but Leon and wanda got fcked so fcking bad especially Franklin who in my mind had a fate worse then death because he only wanted freedom and ended up becoming a Slave to the bottle like his dad who he despised but I don't think That's the worst thing about the ending I think it's that they in a way all deserved their endings. (Sorry if i made some spelling mistakes english aint my first language)

My wife is watching for the first time and I’m doing my first rewatch.

spoilers below

(We are working under the assumption that Teddy was really going to transfer the money. We understand that there is good faith debate on whether he actually would. But let’s assume the transfer was legit)

We have been arguing about what Cissy did to Teddy. She thinks it was justified, while I still think she was wrong.

I think killing him was the right choice but she should have waited until Teddy got off the phone.

My wife says Cissy was right to do it because “Teddy was full of shit. He had all this time to transfer the money and never did. He didn’t care who had to die for that money, including his dad, he only cared when he was in the chair. Then he only tried to give him half. Teddy only cared about himself. Even that 37 million was still a win for Teddy. He only gives things to people to ever take it back.”

Whatever, I love this show until the end.

I am early in season 4 right now, and I have been loving the show up until now. It seems like the show just lost the vibe, and I notice a lot of actors changed, like peaches, loo, etc. Ever since Mel did what she did to Franklin.

Does anyone know what (if anything) happened/changed at this time (did writers change or was there some fighting within the cast or something?)? Does it get better again?

I'm on season 2 eps 4 right now.

Louie kinda pissed me off, I mean sure she should have access to the safe, IF she wasn't spending so much time with Claudia, like tf you think you can just play on both sides and get the best of both. Ofc Franklin won't trust her, he even warn her before.

Kev also done some stupid shit, but at least he was young and his cousin just died.

I swear both of them look like a time bomb right now, I wish they wouldn't explode and ruin it all.

But whatever, this show is so good that I didn't sleep last day because my brain keep saying "just one more episode before I sleep" And I ended up finishing the first season.

How is none of my friend watch this, I need to corrupt them so I have someone to talk about this.

if manboy was able to pull off gettin the plug n gettin franklin out the way don't get me wrong franklin is smarter buh manboy is also smart he jus more crash out than franklin how do you think teddy would work with him if this was a situation and manboy came in the CiA 's crosshairs would he last 3 yrs as long as franklin, manboy is very smart he told franklin everything that was gonna happen in his dying last words, so i wouldn't count him out.

I just finished Snowfall and I couldn’t help but see how alike the two characters were.

• Both are very intelligent.
• Had a goal and would do anything for that goal.
• Were slowly corrupted by greed and power (Started to lose their morality).
• Both kinda sacrificed their dad for power.
• Both have a twisted sense of justice.
• Both killed their biggest threat (Andre and L)
• Both had an embarrassing end to their story.

I feel like Franklin was more human than Light since he actually cared for a lot of people and didn’t use his girl like Light did.

Just sharing some thoughts since finishing the series last night (apologies in advance it is a long one lol). I hope people hate the same things I did but I'm down to funnily argue/disagree lmao. Still a good show I'd def rewatch and I will rec to other people but with same GOT disclaimer of: 'so good but be prepared for a terrible ending.'

Tldr:  justice for jerome and franklin; hatred for Louie, V, and his trifilin ass mama; disappointment in Leon but happy for Wanda

1. That ending was so unsatisfying and unnatural and Franklin deserved better/more realistic ending that better aligned w the character of man that he was [not necessarily the happy ending that Leon and Wanda received tho]. Idve rather a 'man w everything but nothing at all' ending for him. Show him in a huge mansion in some other country with henchmen who don't know him and pictures of a child he never sees, and no family or friends left to turn to. A business man with no family who cares about him because all the dirt he's done THAT is the future I saw for him. Not him snapping and turning into a deranged drunk just like his daddy. If someone sole $73 million from me I'd also lose my shit, and justifiably so. Idt anyone should just 'let it go' especially w someone like Teddy who killed his dad why should TEDDY walk away unscathed?
2. I saw a post oh here saying SF is the best show w the worst fan base because we don't get that Franklin is a bad guy and I vehemently disagree. Saint took care of his entire family at risk of life and limb on a daily basis. He put them on game and put them inna position to win that they wouldve never seen otherwise. And after doing that they got greedy and ungrateful and blamed him for the v foreseeable issues that come w being in the illegal narcotics business
3. To that point Saint DID become 'the devil' as his auntie called him at the funeral of the man that was HER fault. As in I do think Franklin became unrecognizably evil in the v last episodes of the very last season. Everything up until I'd categorize as necessary evil when combatting unnecessary evil. Like was he a dick at time? Sure. But not the devil. Or put another way, not more devilish or selfish than anyone else
4. To that point EVERYONE on this show is incredibly selfish and self-serving. His own mama and daddy included. They ALL have a 'do as I say not as I do' complex that would inevitably clash
5. Leon was a bad friend at the end and couldve given him a loan, not the full 3 mill of course be couldve broken him off 500k. Or later saw him spiraling get him a one bedroom somewhere, OR even force him to go to Ghana as pre-req to get the money and then just refuse to pay his tix back home until he takes some R+R and could start a small investment firm type thing.
6. I saw a post oh here saying  V doesn't deserve the hate she gates and I vehemently disagree. She could be hated MORE. She did exactly what Teddy did. She stole from him and not only that stole EVERYTHING. Taking 800k was egregious no matter how you look at it or pregnant she was. You do NOT need that much lump sum to raise a child. It's the same thing he asked teddy '1. whyd you do this and 2. why'd you take EVERYTHING.' V easily couldve taking 50k or hell even 500k and left him 300K. This was not self-preservation, this was greed just like her mama. Idc that he choked her, ofc she should leave after that. That doesn’t mean bankrupt him or at least be honest that she did it because she's greedy not because she's some moral victim. 
7. On that note His auntie Louie does NOT get enough hate, for what SHE deserves. If I had to pick 1 single person to blame this all on it IS LOUIE. She quite literally made the first play w the brick and it was to hell inna hand basket ever since. And it was so revealing (of finally saying the quiet part out loud) to hear her admit to Jerome that all she wanted, all she killing and he dies over is her wanting respect. Stemming from her deep-seated insecurities of her days starting as a prostitute.
8. Jerome shouldve been sipping rum punch in Jamaica like he wanted (though do we really believe he couldve walked away from his loml) but because of Louie's dumbass he had to go rescue her from Kane who SHE made THEIR enemy AFTER Franklin and Leon already deescalated him as a threat. That's why she's so mad, she must know deep down that she is reason for her husband's demise.
9. Teddy made zero sense at the end. And really the whole ending doesn't make sense and they cut corners. Because franklin made perfect sense of why'd you take EVERYTHING? And Teddy even after oil burns to his chest STILL didn't admit it was for his own selfish reasons of getting his blue badge back, he aint give two shits bout Nicaragua funding atp. Like franklin said 75 mill is chum change to the 256 Billion defense fund. Teddy was out to satisfy teddy and he was legit just couldn't bear the idea of this black man actually getting to ENJOY the fruits of his murderous labor and get off scott free. Despite the fact that he TOO could get off scot-free. And I truly believe franklin wouldve just split it w him had he simply told him hey I need a CIA buy-in check and ASKED him for it. Bankrupting him was so unnecessary. If anything he SHOULDVE been doing what that contractor he killed was and be building his own honey pot by skimming off the top and leave saint's alone
10. I guess it adds to saint's spiral of not thinking straight but why would he not try to bargain for the KGB person at all? Like he just dropped him off and gained nothing (outside of being told the CIA won't come after him but that easily couldve been a lie by Havemeyer)
11. Again I guess it adds to saint's spiral of not thinking straight but why tf would he take his mama to the hand off AFTER she already made it clear that they weren't on the same page? And if I had to pick a runner up of fault after Louie it'd be his mama. Because she is truly his biggest opp/hater from the jump and hypocritical all throughout. She wanted Teddy dead, then changed her mind when franklin started killing him, then changed again and killed him BEFORE the xfer. She easily couldve waited. She, just like Teddy, did not want her son to be 'rewarded' for his bad behavior. When for all intents and purposes the second he got his money he wouldve been outta this life, L/A., and probs on his PJ to Aruba with his wife and ugly baby mama.
12. Some unanswered but trivial things I'dve wanted to see: what ever happened to louie's lover that turned heroin addict? Why did we see oslo's flash forward of '2 years' followed by saint's of ' 1 year later' is that 1 year after oslo or is it anachronistic? Why is it only Louie on the lamb, I'd think Leon would also be on their radar despite being more small time, ig since he had ended already.
13. I get from the extra vids available that the writers wanted to condemn capitalism and the 'root of all evil' thing, see what it does to families blah blah blah. Which I get but I think they forced it and crammed it all in and waited to really get you to feel that way until s6.
14. Seeing him shoot that delivery driver at Peaches' house was one of my only GASP at TV moments. That hurt my heart. And seeing peaches like that. How you shoot up 5 mil worth of black tar? And why his only side effects the sniffles lmao