The Zizians and the Rationalist death cults

in which Kelsey Piper comes out swinging for, uh, James Damore and against "peak woke"

and the journalist is J Oliver Conroy, he presently writes for the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/profile/j-oliver-conroy and the Washington Examiner https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/author/j-oliver-conroy/ and used to write for Quillette (the article has been deleted from the site) https://archive.is/aSBjW

> News: After 6 years as a Guardian opinion editor, I've started a new role as a political culture/features reporter covering the US right and people, ideologies, ideas, trends, and life outside the liberal milieu. Excited to get started.

https://x.com/joliverconroy/status/1875653208670114150

I trust everyone can calculate their Bayesian priors on how well a Guardian and Washington Examiner writer who used to write for Quillette can be expected to cover anything with the slightest trans element.

<div class="md"><p>and the journalist is J Oliver Conroy, he presently writes for the Guardian <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/profile/j-oliver-conroy">https://www.theguardian.com/profile/j-oliver-conroy</a> and the Washington Examiner <a href="https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/author/j-oliver-conroy/">https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/author/j-oliver-conroy/</a> and used to write for Quillette (the article has been deleted from the site) <a href="https://archive.is/aSBjW">https://archive.is/aSBjW</a></p>

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<p>News: After 6 years as a Guardian opinion editor, I&#39;ve started a new role as a political culture/features reporter covering the US right and people, ideologies, ideas, trends, and life outside the liberal milieu. Excited to get started.</p>
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<p><a href="https://x.com/joliverconroy/status/1875653208670114150">https://x.com/joliverconroy/status/1875653208670114150</a></p>

<p>I trust everyone can calculate their Bayesian priors on how well a Guardian and Washington Examiner writer who used to write for Quillette can be expected to cover anything with the slightest trans element.</p>
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If you get a call from a journalist about the Ziz cult

Federal officials link 3rd ‘person of interest’ to Vermont border patrol agent’s shooting

You Should Follow @SlimePriestess aka deep dive on the Zizians

Ugh, third time posting since I keep fucking up the timestamp. 

Heres an interview from yesterday on the unfolding insanity, with a bonus terrible take on the 2022 landlord stabbing, where some guy got impaled with a katana and shot and killed a Zizian in self-defense. This same 80-year-old landlord was murdered a few weeks ago by a different Zizian.

I timestamped that segment because otherwise it’s impossibly long and meandering.

<div class="md"><p>Ugh, third time posting since I keep fucking up the timestamp. </p>

<p>Heres an interview from yesterday on the unfolding insanity, with a bonus terrible take on the 2022 landlord stabbing, where some guy got impaled with a katana and shot and killed a Zizian in self-defense. This same 80-year-old landlord was murdered a few weeks ago by a different Zizian.</p>

<p>I timestamped that segment because otherwise it’s impossibly long and meandering.</p>
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Zizian chat on the unfolding chaos

In case you don’t follow the other site.

<div class="md"><p>In case you don’t follow the other site.</p>
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Zizian mayhem

I'm not even going to link to that shit, they spent 7000 words talking to that incoherent cretin and barely scratched the surface of his odious positions. 

You do not have to interview fascists, you do not have to give them a platform and say, wow, these guys are so regressive and have weird views. They want the platform and know they're weird, they're counting on you to do that. 

<div class="md"><p>I&#39;m not even going to link to that shit, they spent 7000 words talking to that incoherent cretin and barely scratched the surface of his odious positions. </p>

<p>You do not have to interview fascists, you do not have to give them a platform and say, wow, these guys are so regressive and have weird views. They want the platform and know they&#39;re weird, they&#39;re counting on you to do that. </p>
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For the love of the acausal robot god, the NYT fluffed up Moldbug

"How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Learn To Love Lynn's National IQ Estimates"

r/IsaacArthur fan learns about LessWrong. Is flabbergasted that they are for real.

Rationalist discovers that MeToo actually had a point

After Yud advised ahainst returning stolen funds, the FTX trustees went after Lightcone infrastructure for that $5m.

I Have No Idea What Peter Thiel Is Trying to Say and It’s Making Me Really Uncomfortable

Surprise this hasn’t been posted here yet

<div class="md"><p>Surprise this hasn’t been posted here yet</p>
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Eliezer Yudkowsky Is Frequently, Confidently, Egregiously Wrong

On the Nature of Women

Robin Hanson: "On Sunday I gave a talk, “Mind Enhancing Behaviors Today” ([slides](http://hanson.gmu.edu/ppt/Enhance.ppt), [audio](http://hanson.gmu.edu/ppt/Ehnance%20Talk%20June%2009.WMA)) at an Oxford FHI Cognitive Enhancement [Symposium](http://www.fhi.ox.ac.uk/archived_events/two-day_cognitive_enhancement_workshop_and_symposium)."

"Also speaking were [Linda Gottfredson](http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/), on how IQ matters lots for everything, how surprisingly stupid are the mid IQ, and how IQ varies lots with race, and [Garett Jones](http://mason.gmu.edu/~gjonesb/) on how IQ varies greatly across nations and is the main reason some are rich and others poor.  I expected Gottfredson and Jones’s talks to be controversial, but they got almost no hostile or skeptical comments"

Gee I wonder why

"Alas I don’t have a recording of the open discussion session to show you." 

GEE I WONDER WHY 

[https://www.overcomingbias.com/p/signaling-beats-race-iq-for-controversyhtml](https://www.overcomingbias.com/p/signaling-beats-race-iq-for-controversyhtml) 

<div class="md"><p>Robin Hanson: &quot;On Sunday I gave a talk, “Mind Enhancing Behaviors Today” (<a href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/ppt/Enhance.ppt">slides</a>, <a href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/ppt/Ehnance%20Talk%20June%2009.WMA">audio</a>) at an Oxford FHI Cognitive Enhancement <a href="http://www.fhi.ox.ac.uk/archived_events/two-day_cognitive_enhancement_workshop_and_symposium">Symposium</a>.&quot;</p>

<p>&quot;Also speaking were <a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/">Linda Gottfredson</a>, on how IQ matters lots for everything, how surprisingly stupid are the mid IQ, and how IQ varies lots with race, and <a href="http://mason.gmu.edu/%7Egjonesb/">Garett Jones</a> on how IQ varies greatly across nations and is the main reason some are rich and others poor.  I expected Gottfredson and Jones’s talks to be controversial, but they got almost no hostile or skeptical comments&quot;</p>

<p>Gee I wonder why</p>

<p>&quot;Alas I don’t have a recording of the open discussion session to show you.&quot; </p>

<p>GEE I WONDER WHY </p>

<p><a href="https://www.overcomingbias.com/p/signaling-beats-race-iq-for-controversyhtml">https://www.overcomingbias.com/p/signaling-beats-race-iq-for-controversyhtml</a> </p>
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In 2009, The Future of Humanity Institute held a racist event on IQ

Mangione "really wanted to meet my other founding members and start a community based on ideas like rationalism, Stoicism, and effective altruism"

OpenAI whistleblower Suchir Balaji found dead in San Francisco apartment

UnitedHealthcare shooter’s odd politics explained by TPOT subculture - The San Francisco Standard

Garden hermits or ornamental hermits were people encouraged to live alone in purpose-built hermitages, follies, grottoes, or rockeries on the estates of wealthy landowners, primarily during the 18th century.

'Don't say "Bayesian prior" if you can just say "assumption."'

Artificial Intelligence Against All Artificial Intelligence

Abstract: This paper presents some of the initial empirical findings from a larger forthcoming study about Effective Altruism (EA). The purpose of presenting these findings disarticulated from the main study is to address a common misunderstanding in the public and academic consciousness about EA, recently pushed to the fore with the publication of EA movement co-founder Will MacAskill’s latest book, What We Owe the  Future (WWOTF). Most people in the general public, media, and academia believe EA focuses on reducing global poverty through effective giving, and are struggling to understand EA’s seemingly sudden embrace of ‘longtermism’, futurism, artificial intelligence (AI), biotechnology, and ‘x-risk’ reduction. However, this agenda has been present in EA since its inception, where it was hidden in plain sight. From the very beginning, EA discourse operated on two levels, one for the general public and new recruits (focused on global poverty) and one for the core EA community (focused on the transhumanist agenda articulated by Nick Bostrom, Eliezer Yudkowsky, and others, centered on AI-safety/x-risk, now lumped under the banner of ‘longtermism’). The article’s aim is narrowly focused on presenting rich qualitative data to make legible the distinction between public-facing EA and core EA.

<div class="md"><p>Abstract: This paper presents some of the initial empirical findings from a larger forthcoming study about Effective Altruism (EA). The purpose of presenting these findings disarticulated from the main study is to address a common misunderstanding in the public and academic consciousness about EA, recently pushed to the fore with the publication of EA movement co-founder Will MacAskill’s latest book, What We Owe the  Future (WWOTF). Most people in the general public, media, and academia believe EA focuses on reducing global poverty through effective giving, and are struggling to understand EA’s seemingly sudden embrace of ‘longtermism’, futurism, artificial intelligence (AI), biotechnology, and ‘x-risk’ reduction. However, this agenda has been present in EA since its inception, where it was hidden in plain sight. From the very beginning, EA discourse operated on two levels, one for the general public and new recruits (focused on global poverty) and one for the core EA community (focused on the transhumanist agenda articulated by Nick Bostrom, Eliezer Yudkowsky, and others, centered on AI-safety/x-risk, now lumped under the banner of ‘longtermism’). The article’s aim is narrowly focused on presenting rich qualitative data to make legible the distinction between public-facing EA and core EA.</p>
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Discussion paper | Effective Altruism and the strategic ambiguity of ‘doing good’

That Time Eliezer Yudkowsky recommended a really creepy sci-fi book to his audience

Clearly, Funding the LessWrong Forums is Incredibly Effective for the Future of Humanity

reverse pua girl

Belonging: Who feels that they belong within effective altruism, and who feels marginalized, uncomfortable, or mistreated?

aealla wtf

The TESCREAL bundle: Eugenics and the promise of utopia through artificial general intelligence (Gebru & Torres)

Effective Altruism and Billionaire philanthropy

Gwern on Dwarkesh

also found at https://awful.systems/c/sneerclub

Rules: this is a loungeroom, not debate club. Moderation is to this end.

<div class="md"><p>also found at <a href="https://awful.systems/c/sneerclub">https://awful.systems/c/sneerclub</a></p>

<p>Rules: this is a loungeroom, not debate club. Moderation is to this end.</p>
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<div class="md"><p>Steeple of the sneer</p>

<p>Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.</p>
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