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This is a sub for bragging about guns, shooting, loads, and informing about what works.

The end goal is a better rifle for everyone through at least some amount of evidence.

Rules:

Submitted pictures should

  • be of a minimum of 5 shots
  • be at a minimum distance of 100 yards
  • include details about ammo (factory, bullet/charge/primer/brass for handloads)
  • include details about the rifle (factory, components for a built gun)
  • include details about shooting position, shooting aides, and environment
  • whether the group is abnormal or typical for the gun
  • include MOA Center-Center, extreme spread measurement

Meet as much of that as you can. No big deal if you can't.

SmallGroups Competition!

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21

There’s always one 😖

Did some new brass testing today with my 6 creedmoor and got her pretty dialed in, except for the one I jerked. lol.

4 Comments
2024/06/22
22:20 UTC

15

Just started getting into target shooting, hit my first sub 1moa group this morning. Everyone's gotta start somewhere

5 Comments
2024/06/22
17:50 UTC

21

Seekins Havak PH2 6 Creedmoor

3 Comments
2024/06/20
01:03 UTC

27

CZ 457, SK Standard+ 100yd

Pretty good lot of the ol' SKS+ gotta say

18 Comments
2024/06/12
01:22 UTC

22

Learning to shoot in the wind.

11 Comments
2024/06/11
19:38 UTC

1

Help needed with load development

Hi, I’m beginning to reload for my Tikka t3x upr in .308 and I have no idea on how to start load development. I have 178gr ELDM and StaBaLL match powder. There are no load data for this combination but I there is for 175gr tmk(oal 2.800”) and the only difference is the eldm is 1mm longer. My OAL is 2.907” so I will go 0.02” off the lands then do max pressure test. After I find max charge what should I do? Should I do OCW and if it shoots should I stop there? Or should I continue and do seating depth test?

Thanks you for your help.

4 Comments
2024/06/08
18:05 UTC

14

The hype on LaRue is true.

Not sure how they’re not more popular rifles.

7 Comments
2024/06/08
00:41 UTC

16

Daniel Defense M4A1 Socom Upper

5 shot group at 100 yards. As much as I realize this may be a 1 off, it still happened. I've been working a lot on my fundamentals and not so much trying to buy accuracy through parts. Shooting AAC 77gn OTM through an EOTech Vudu 1-10 (@ 6x). There is a huge evolution to how I arrived here, but it has all helped me to be more consistent. While a 4 stack like that is not the norm, sub MOA out of shooter and platform happen quite often.

3 Comments
2024/06/04
15:20 UTC

6

Firearms Industry Super Shoot May 20th - May 23rd 2024

Commonly referred to "The Super Shoot", this match has been going every year since 1972 at Kelbly's range in Ohio. This is the biggest and most prestigious benchrest match in the world. And yes, many shooters come from other countries to compete. This year was the first year the match was not held at Kelbly's, it was held at the Benchrest Rifle Club, St. Louis, MO. There were 118 shooters this year! The shoot consists of a 100 and 200 yard 5 target each aggregate, for both Light Varmint 10.5lb and Heavy Varmint 13.5lb.

The 2-Gun Grand Agg was 0.2271"

Light Varmint Grand Agg was 0.1993"

Heavy Varmint Grand Agg was 0.2053"

A lot of shooting in a tough crowd.

1 Comment
2024/06/01
21:24 UTC

14

Tikka T3X CTR 400 yards

Shot this group using Hornady factory 140 grain ELD match. I’m pretty happy with my tikka to say the least.

3 Comments
2024/05/26
18:32 UTC

3

Playing with my new rifle CX vs Eley

10 Comments
2024/05/26
15:35 UTC

10

savage mk2 fv-sr torquems

had some weird flyers at 100yrds today n started fooling with torque on the at-one. I should have stayed at 100 but this is the drop from 30 in-lb to 20 @ 50yrds

5 Comments
2024/05/20
01:45 UTC

8

60cal load workup

Not bad for the first shots on paper for a 160yr old rifle. Point of aim was about a foot low at 50yds.

17 Comments
2024/05/20
00:00 UTC

0 Comments
2024/05/18
16:29 UTC

13

Tikka CTR

100 yrd Tikka CTR 140 ELDM

4 Comments
2024/05/18
11:55 UTC

13

308 FTR gun almost online. 600 yard group

I think I’m close- going to go out again tomorrow and do a little tweaking to see if I can shrink the vertical a bit more.

14 Comments
2024/05/18
03:27 UTC

26

260 Remington

I’m working with mandrels to further work my comp load. 2811fps, ES of 4, SD 1.67. 40.6 grains of H4350. Berger 140 gn Hybrid.

2 Comments
2024/05/15
23:48 UTC

10

Bergara 6.5cm

Got a dandy group while doing some load development. Unfortunately my best group was one of the slowest/lowest powder charges as well.

New Bergara hmr.

1 Comment
2024/05/12
23:04 UTC

7

12.5in Ballistics Advantage 6.5 Grendel 95gr vmax under Benchmark

Avg=2467fps, SD=12

1 Comment
2024/05/12
06:00 UTC

11

savage mkII

almost got sub 0.5 @ 50yrds eley target today.. 5 shot groups kind of breezy

0 Comments
2024/05/11
18:07 UTC

0

Using a Tuner

Since some don't reload at the range, there is an option of using a barrel tuner. There are many available, some hang over the muzzle, some are rings that simply move back and forth on the last inch or so of the barrel. This won't replace doing a load workup to begin with, you need to establish a decent tune for your rifle. But once done, a tuner can help in keeping a barrel settled and shooting small during the day, and all it takes is shooting a few sighters and making a change to see if the group gets smaller or bigger. A good friend has been using tuners for the past 10+ years and swears by them, and his shooting proves it. It takes practice to learn whether to move in or out. Some have come up with a simple in or out per temp change, and do it before firing the first shot of the day. Here are a couple pics of tuning with tuner.

https://preview.redd.it/mwh04f9ul6xc1.jpg?width=3264&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=224582a2bb3496165b7ea1bea4087bdb9347ec27

https://preview.redd.it/qmuwjydxl6xc1.jpg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc0d026f99b14da3577273eb19f20b2e2dfecbdc

23 Comments
2024/04/28
08:34 UTC

12

IMI 77 Razor core, BCM recce 16, 100 yards. Oof to that 10th shot, still a personal best!

9 Comments
2024/04/26
18:25 UTC

7

Tuning Your Load

Load development and tuning is a necessary evil. Yes there is wear on the precious barrel, but you want that barrel to shoot great. I used to do some work for a fellow that shot across the course shoots, and he shot a 223, 6BR and 308. He mentioned he shot XBR8208 in all 3, had his loads he used, and evidently he did well. Now coming from a benchrest world, that's about the worst thing you could do unless you happen to be very lucky. It takes work to get a load that shoots really small, and believe it or not, that load will not shoot the same from morning to afternoon, or one week to the next. At a group match, when the results are posted, you can clearly see the top quarter of shooters know how to tune and keep that gun shooting all day, all weekend. Then there is the large middle section that shot about twice as large as the top, and the bottom end are those that didn't know how to develop a load to begin with and are new to the game. The fact is, each and every one of these shooters have a first class gun put together by smiths that know the benchrest rifle(many of these shooters do their own work on their own guns). They pay the price to get it, but don't know what to do with it. They all use hand swaged bullets, pretty much the same powder and the same cartridge, but those top guys just know how to tune.

There are a couple methods to develop a load. Whether you shoot short range or long range, it's not hard to find out what others are using for components, so that weeds out a lot, instead of opening a reloading manual and taking a pick. Assuming the powder and bullet are appropriate for each other in your cartridge, it boils down to two things, powder charge and seating depth. If you shoot feeding from a magazine, your seating depth may be limited. You need a methodical way to get the most out of your gun.

There are a couple books you can buy that pertain to benchrest, but have load development methods. One is written by Tony Boyer, the other Mike Ratigan. Or, got to Youtube and search for videos by Jack Neary. He has made quite a few that goes directly to tuning a gun. It can easily apply to a long range gun as it does short range. If you follow the methods, keep you targets and notes, and you will clearly see what your gun likes and what i doesn't.

https://preview.redd.it/tiktzz6k2twc1.jpg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d3b47c25baeab393b5ab0309d3f40ce9f90e329

28 Comments
2024/04/24
19:49 UTC

7

Problem with rimfire 22 is all those dang 9mm flyers!

1 Comment
2024/04/22
17:49 UTC

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