I wish to go to China to learn KungFu, not only the martial art, but also learn about the lifestyle of shaolin. Their food and their tradition, adopt and learn learn disciplines,

Looking for suggestions from people who actually tried, and have been there. It can be someone you know too, if possible website of the school/temple, or someway to contact them

Is anyone here aware if his classes are Chinese language only? Or have you trained with him as an adult?

Thanks.

I want to learn some fighting techniques but I don't have money to learn

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I want to train shaolin kung fu for at least a year. I dont wanna do it half assed i want a full time shaolin school. Do i need to join the shaolin temple itself or one of its schools. I am not buddhist and am abroad but i'ld like to do it in china. I have no mandarin speaking skills. What skills do i need to be qualified and if im joining a school and not the temple will i get the same experience? Please let me know.

hey so I was looking into the discipleship program on Shaolin temple Europes website and I came across this paragraph. "As a disciple, you're allowed and encouraged to participate in all training events that are taking place every month in the Shaolin Temple Europe (approximately 2.5 weeks per month). Learning and practice takes place both under guidance in supervised training but also in clear personal responsibility without teachers or instructors."

so are they telling me i am only gonna be able to train 2 weeks per month? if I pay this 4000€ for the year? then it goes on to say "The costs include meals, accommodation (shared room), teaching materials, etc. Health insurance must be paid on your own, similar to attending a boarding school or going to university. Proof of health insurance must be presented." I thought discipleship was where you live at the temple and train consistently everyday but they got me all types of confused here. I feel like they just contradicted themselves.

Day 1 https://youtu.be/_PSyYkVGdQM?si=TFK05OkxtP12YfEc

Day 2 https://youtu.be/bSDRXUi-pK4?si=0eiEjUrZ6rZrOLzg

Day 3 https://youtu.be/quR7oaofE_U?si=V5cGLTYmunzvKg0S

Day 4 https://youtu.be/PJE-g_NsioU?si=XiY7F9Zf2vJa1yIh

Can anyone wanting to practice kungfu and the buddhist teachings wear the clothes that they do

example below

https://preview.redd.it/bcu2fpyr85qc1.png?width=562&format=png&auto=webp&s=3cfb6108dfcc339c77d68fa1b04a07e49b7bf3b5

Moderators please stop banning me for spreading positivity.

Legitimate question. I think he may have a point that many people try to get on board of the hype behind the cool moves and do sensationalist stuff to get views, but I also do believe that for those who spend their life training and understanding their body limits could very well perform an iron finger technique or similar. Which of us is wrong? Is there any evidence that could back up either claims? Usually we just find random tiktok/YT videos to discuss about it, it would be good to have some more reliable source to settle this debate. Can anyone help us clear this doubt? Thanks

I’m a white man from New Zealand (I only say this because I have heard if you are Chinese there’s a possibility to train in the actual temple which I assume I won’t be able to do) and I’m looking to understand what it means to train at the temple. I’ve watched a bit of YouTube on it but I’d love to talk to someone directly if there is anyone on this reddit page?

Edit: I should probably specify what I’m wanting to know which is if I’m a beginner who’s not Chinese, what would it be like for me and would it be worth going there for a year?

Hi, I’ve been thinking of going off to train shaolin kungfu for the past couple of years and was wondering if anyone has been to any real authentic masters ? Thank you

Millions of views. But still this has nothing to do with Shaolin nor is this guy a master, but he told people so, he told people he does this in official matter. Guys, I present you the "media monster" Shi heng Yi alias Tien Sy (Li Xin Hu)

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" I think transparency is required. I mean pretending to be something you are not and then on-selling those skills or lack of to unsuspecting victims is considered fraudulent and dishonest and under the guise of a monk is vile. "

"I think Mr Yi does mention in a video,that he isn’t a Shaolin Monk! " -> How can someone be a master then? In order to become a shaolin master you need to be a shaolin monk first!

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https://web.archive.org/web/20181101195050/http://www.shaolin-tempel.eu/shaolin/index.php/de/shaolin-tempel/12-zertifikat

"(Translation from the Chinese original)

Songshan Shaolin Monastery China

Explanation

Recently, some people have constantly conducted activities such as shows and trainings illegally in the name of "Shaolin", "Shaolin Temple", "Shaolin Monks" or "Shaolin Kung-Fu Monks" in and outside China, which has affected the image of Shaolin Monastery and caused relatively great negative effects. For this reason, Shaolin Monastery makes the following statement:

1.All monks assigned by Shaolin Monastery for cultural exchange have official legal assignment certificate from Shaolin Monastery. The certificate is sealed with the official seal of Songshan Shaolin Monastery China and has the personal signature of the Abbot of Shaolin Monastery Shi Yong Xin.

2. If you have any questions, you can contact Songshan Shaolin Monastery at tel: 0086-371-67300086; 0086-371-65582651. We welcome all people who love Shaolin culture and are anxious to join Shaolin Monastery in protecting this cultural heritage of mankind.

Service Seal

Songshan Shaolin Temple China

31. 7. 2008"

Ofcourse Shi Heng Yi temple Otterberg has nothing of this. Never got approved. Nor his master or how he Shi Heng calls him "dad" Monroe Coloumbe. If you have a picture of Monroe you can clearly see, that this guy does no Shaolin....

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https://www.buddhaland.de/forum/thread/22812-wer-kennt-monroe-coulombe-alias-shi-heng-zong-vom-shaolin-tempel-europe/?postID=588834&highlight=monroe%2Bcoulombe#post588834

"Dear Buddhist community

I visited the "temple" in Otterberg for 13 years and made my first experiences with Kung Fu and Buddhism there. What is already presented in the blog is a sheer confusing mishmash of information, to and about the protagonists.

But one thing is indisputable, neither from the practice nor from other points of view, this is a "Shaolin Temple".

It is true that the "Chan Buddhism" sees the practice of Qi Gong and Kung Fu as part of the meditation practice, that is its core. But this does not make it "Shaolin" and both Monroe Coulomb and Vuon Tien Sy would like to see this differently.

Vuon Tien Sy is more of a Kung Fu athlete and he likes to philosophize his way into his argumentation space, which is hardly testable for outsiders.

Monroe Coulombe, is neither a practicing martial artist, nor a Shaolin recognized "abbot", if one wanted to describe him, it would be more like a psychological assessment. A narcissist with Peter Pan syndrome, choleric and clumsy, which is not the end of the list.

The accusations, which were raised at that time by the SZ and unfortunately did not lead to success, were unfortunately really carelessly investigated and the involved youth welfare office could not find any clues for child welfare endangerment. Vuon Tien Sy was at that time still in Romania to study. In fact, Monroe C. always took care of the youngsters, took care of their school needs, etc. The real problem came a few years later. The real problem came a few years later, after Tien Sy was already established as head master, when accusations were raised again, from within. Monroe had called the Disciples to him for "individual instruction". There was talk of "punishments" and strange "ritual practices". The only reaction of Vuon Tien Sy was to do his "own thing" and not to show himself together with Monroe Coulombe anymore. To distance himself from him or even to separate was probably out of the question for reasons of economy.

Unfortunately, the affected (no longer minors), were not further involved and so this dark episode also fizzled out.

Now Mr. Vuon tries naturally all registers to pull and its "organization" of all reproaches pure-wash and brings arguments and explanations with those one ignorant on the side gets, but: also the omission of truths is LIE

So it is argued that the "Abbot - Shi Heng Zong" has held the opening speech in the "Shaolin Temple Germany" and the venerable Abbot "Shi Yong Xin" has stood next to it and finally did not complain about this. What only proves that two men in robes stood by each other, a recognition of the one by the other does not include this. Then the "quarrel with the "Shaolin Temple Germany 2008, is justified with the fact that the management changed there. This again is true, because the previous manager "Rainer Deyle" had departed and left the temple in "insolvency proceedings", just that "Shaolin Rainer" who also founded the "Temple Kaiserslautern".

Shi Yong Chuan, abbot of the Shaolin Temple Germany has no reason to recognize the temple Otterberg, because there are no legitimations for it and they were not inclined to take care of the ceremonial, the practice and especially the order.

The last attempt to obtain recognition by Grandmaster Shi Yan Liang has not yet been successful, but it is symptomatic of the way business is conducted. Thus, Vuon Tien Sy claims on the website that an official delegation of "masters led by Grandmaster Yan Liang" has visited the "Shaolin Temple Europe". There is no question of that, in the travel report (of the masters) they visited " ..a cultural center in Kaiserslautern". None of the masters has ever used the name.

What makes the matter seem quite difficult is the fact that Vuon Tien Sy was able to register the brand "Shaolin Temple Europe" as a European trademark, although the name "Shaolin" is legally protected worldwide. thus he can do whatever he wants in the "own brand" without further legitimation. But "You don't spread the truth on the basis of lies".

I hope also this episode will soon pass - Amituofo"

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"No, I have to disagree here. The comparison to a group is allowed, because it is about organized structures. But "internal" is completely absurd here, because the "Otterberg sect" has almost nothing in common with the "Shaolin culture" and does not strive for this. Only the attempt to gain recognition through an "invitation" from the masters is not enough to really represent the "Shaolin culture".

It is and remains a "playground for martial arts enthusiasts" with the touch of a stitched together temple. Sells well, but is neither authentic nor honest."

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"The central criticisms:

- A cultural institution of a foreign country is misrepresented

- A plagiarism is advertised (fake Shaolin Temple in Otterberg near Kaiserslautern), which does not represent Shaolin spiritually or martially.

- Many enthusiastic martial artists are thus attracted by the false appearance of the plagiarism

- The real Shaolin in China is wrongly defamed as a commercial institution without substance

- The mother temple and the official branch of Shaolin in Germany suffer financial damage from the students who train in Kaiserslautern in the mistaken belief and pay dearly for it.

Even Wikipedia and the Süddeutsche Zeitung report about the "Shaolin swindle".

The fact that SPIEGEL TV with its report puts a bear on the viewers by not mentioning that this is a false monastery, in which the abbot is not an abbot and the masters are not masters, is also evident from the warning letter of the mother temple in China. This is directed against the head of the German institution, who claims to be an offshoot of the Songshan Shaolin Temple and to act on behalf of the Mother Temple. He even claims to train novices in the name of the Mother Temple.

Even in Wikipedia it is explained, and also the Süddeutsche Zeitung made a big article about it ("Der Shaolin-Schwindel").

What Julian Jacobi learned there in Otterberg was Wushu acrobatics, which has little or nothing to do with Shaolin Kung Fu. Also, the self-proclaimed abbot of the Shaolin Temple in Otterberg, Mr. Monroe

Coulombe alias Shi Heng Zong, is neither a martial artist of any system nor an abbot. He holds Buddhist seminars and speaks even according to his own information only minimal Chinese. But how to understand the philosophy of a foreign country without knowing the language?

So what came out of the SPIEGEL-TV report was an advertising film about martial artists who wrongly acquire a name for themselves and who act like a magnet on customers or students. Imagine the situation in reverse:"

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"Thank you for your research!

I was confirmed by a group that trained under Frankie Dow that Shi Heng Yi was there (nothing more).

I looked at that order page as well. As is so often the case, these figures make mistakes in trying to smooth over their biography and chronicle. The Shaolin (Shi Yan Hai), who is said to have appointed Shi Heng Yi in 2004 and Shi Heng Zong before that, had broken away from the temple in Berlin and set up his own thing in Bielefeld in 2004, which according to the chronicle of the Otterberg temple itself has only been considered a Shaolin temple since 2006 (but not according to the Wiki entry on Shaolin!). Thus, since Shi Yan Hai, who made this appointment, was neither the abbot of the official temple in Berlin nor the abbot of any other official temple, he cannot have legally admitted the two into the Shaolin Order. His action is therefore irrelevant. The people concerned should also know this. Why didn't they go straight to Henan or to the abbot in Berlin who was appointed in 2004? (Because he did not think much of them, the answer might be).

Furthermore, between the lines it is implied that there is some mastery connected with it, Shi Heng Yi has been a master since 2001 and also the abbot would have to have such a rank to be an abbot. The classification by "Heng" in the 35th generation, however, only designates the disciple, not more. What Monroe Coulombe learned from Frankie Dow is therefore irrelevant, as long as he has not acquired a master degree of Shaolin."

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"With all the videos I must have gotten mixed up, the one I missed is exactly the one titled "A New Beginning". It's really unbelievable, but he apparently even managed to irritate a witness from the temple who told me about his "1st pin". In fact, he has - like apparently all present in Austria - received the 1st Duan, i.e. the very first student grade, at the introduction of the new graduation system from China - he actually holds this document proudly into the camera at the beginning of this video. With this he has declassified himself as a Shaolin student and now has to pass all further Duan levels, although he has been marketed as a Shaolin master by the Mulligan Brothers and others for more than a year.

His black belt is from Frankie Dow, as confirmed to me. Of course, he wasn't a Shaolin either.

Here is an interesting first hand blog: http://shaolinchancity.blogspot.com/2008/12/shaolin-monasticism-discipleship_944.html"

Shi Heng Yi is a novice no monk no master!

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"As far as the flogging of disciples is concerned, practitioners there have reported that there is/was no flogging of the kind in the Chinese temple. Temple there is / was no chastisement of the kind as in Otterberg. Those were rather on the spot slaps, I think, they did not take the teachers also crooked."

"The problem is more comprehensive, because another non-monk (he has admitted this in the meantime, after marketing by the Mulligan Brothers and others, some may have seen this on Youtube) named Shi Heng Yi, a German-Vietnamese, joined forces with a dubious teacher on Taiwan (Jiang Yu Shan, German-Syrian) and, as you can see here, offered porky expensive courses. Also this Shi can't quite derive his title and authorization, on the one hand he claims to have gotten it in 2004, on the other hand he is said to have graduated from Shaolin in the first place recently (it is noticeable that more and more "monks" sent by China are guests there). In the case of both, which should be beside the point for this forum, it has already been shown by KK experts that they concoct their own stuff, but sell it as authentic. The guy from Taiwan is a poser who likes to show himself on Facebook with gold chains and fast cars and tries to prove with questionable photos that he trained Taiwanese special forces for years and protected several presidents. So far, he has not credibly verified any of this. One of his teachers, on the other hand, liked to Photoshop himself into the Shaolin Temple.

Whatever one thinks of Kung Fu or the Shaolin tradition, for one who is interested in the most authentic martial arts AND Chan possible, this becomes doubly repulsive. It may well be that the real monks in Shaolin no longer have much to say and that the martial arts taught there have long since been modernized. Nevertheless, there are some who seriously try to preserve the KK tradition, and for those who still associate the founding myth of Chan/Zen with Shaolin, people who think that it makes no difference who is appropriating what can become a thorn in the side. One of the above linked courses of the poser from Taiwan ran e.g. - for 5.400 Euro in 6 days without board and lodging ! - under the title: "Bodhidharmas 4 Celestial Old Meditation Exercises"."

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http://www.spiegelblog.net/spiegel-tv-reportage-kaempfen-fuer-buddha.html

"Marcus B says:

March 03, 2012 at 16:23

@ Jack Bredaux: If you have read the article of the Süddeutsche Zeitung carefully, you will surely notice that Mrs. Ursula Schaedel has sought the lawsuit. Also that it was an eternal fight, on the one hand between the German justice, which does not feel responsible and on the other hand with the Buddhist monks, who do not want this fight. If someone copies my company name abroad I have to take civil action there. I have never seen it any other way. If they open a chip shop and call it McDonalds in terms of advertising, they will also get a warning letter from McDonalds' lawyers and not from the public prosecutor's office.

No plaintiff, no defendant!

I can't evaluate the other schools that use the name Shaolin, because I simply don't know them. The "Temple Kaiserslautern" however already. The official school in Berlin in the Bundesallee 215 also.

Besides, no other Kung Fu school advertises the name Shaolin as the "Temple" in Kaiserslautern does. No other school made false statements like: "Novices of the Shaolin Temple are trained here". If you, as a so-called novice, go to Songshan after five years in Kaiserslautern/Otterberg and believe to be accepted there as one of their own, you are mistaken! This is already one of the essential points, the bubble. Another one is the teachers.

Many of the teachers listed on the website are not present there. If they are, they are visiting! The main teacher on site is M Shi Heng Cheng. This one, like M Shi Heng Yi, was trained by Grandmaster Dow. Now they are retracing the trail a little bit.

Grandmaster Dow did not teach them Shaolin Kung Fu but his own mix of different martial arts, comparable to MMA or Jeet-Kune-Do. This on the street highly effective mix of grappling (Jiu-Jitsu), throws (Judo), drop training (Judo), boxing training, wrestling, acupuncture points (Shaolin Kung Fu), Kung Fu forms and meditation, Tai Chi Chuan Yang and Cheng, was a successful training. However, the US American Grandmaster Dow, with his 8-Animal Kung Fu, was not a Shaolin monk, nor had he ever claimed such a thing.

Mainly, the consistently fast hand techniques were reminiscent of American Kempo and were inspired by Grandmaster Agrella of the Tong-Leong School of Maryland. GM Agrella also awarded GM Dow the 10th and highest master degree, which is only awarded post mortem in China.

The examinations were commercialized along the lines of the Wing-Tsun schools of GM Kernspecht by Mr. Coulombe. Some questionable seminars with costs had to be taken, so that one was allowed to participate in the belt examinations at all. Mr. Coulombe also never made a secret of the fact that he had an absolute claim to power. Which is completely absurd, since Mr. Coulombe was not trained in ANY martial art. He is merely well-read and eloquent. However, he lacks any professional qualifications.

There was a long period of uninsured training because the martial arts association had terminated the "Shaolin Temple Kaiserslautern". Nobody was informed about this and Mr. Coulombe kept silent. GM Dow went away from the Shaolin Temple KL, back to America. With that, I also left this institution.

In Berlin I learned in the official Shaolin Temple - traditional Shaolin Kung Fu, which is significantly different from the techniques learned before. I also learned there, the extensive lying of Mr. Coulombe. Since we were always assured, KL would be an official temple of China."

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Mainstream people nowadays often fall for these self proclaimed masters. If you mention it to them they always react the same „you just dont understand his teachings". Luckily, I am not here to discuss if his little teachings are good or not (they are mid level pseudo psychology), I am just here to say it has nothing to do with Shaolin or buddhism and that he is a liar.

Here is the official declaration from the official shaolin temple about Monroe Coloumbe, the temple otterberg and all who are part of it like shi heng yi…

„The Shaolin Temple and the Shaolin culture

Letter of warning from the mother temple

Recently, there have been various reports about the alleged Shaolin temple in Otterberg near Kaiserslautern. The head of this institution claims to be an offshoot of the Songhan Shaolin Temple and to act on behalf of the Mother Temple. He even claims to train novices in the name of the Mother Temple. With regard to these reports and the related inquiries here in the temple, the Shaolin Temple Germany is prompted to publish the text of the letter of warning from the Mother Temple to the head of the institution in Otterberg below.

(Translation from the Chinese original of the Songhan Shaolin Monastery China)

Mr. Monroe Columboe:

First of all, a New Year's greeting and congratulations!

Since last year, we have been constantly asking German friends in the Shao-lin Monastery as to whether the representations on your website as well as your claims about your person correspond to the truth. After our investigation, we find that there are many deceptions and falsehoods in the publications on your website that are related to the Shao-lin Monastery and its abdom. Their behavior violates the Buddhist ideal, and it is illegal. That's why the Shao-lin Monastery presents its point of view specifically to you:

1. Immediate omission of any abuse with the names of the Shao-lin Monastery and Abde Shi Yongxin regarding your personal representations.

2. Immediate omission of the forgery and abuse of the authorization of Shao-lin Monastery and Abde Shi Yongxin.

3. The future use of the name Shao-lin Monastery as well as the authorization of the abd Shi Yongxin must be submitted to the Shao-lin Monastery as an application in order to finally be officially admitted and certified accordingly by Shao-lin Monastery.

We welcome the love that Mr. Monroe Columboe has for the Shao-lin monastery and the culture of Shao-lin. We would also support your desire to participate in Shao-lin and Buddhist culture, but all on the condition that the administrative regulations and standards of conduct are respected and complied with, and that as a member of the Shao-lin Order you are aware of your duty and fulfill it.

Congratulations to you again!

Amitabha! (阿弥陀佛！)

Seal with text inscription:

Shao-lin Monastery, Songshan, China

2. February 2008“

(https://web.archive.org/web/20181025231825/http://www.shaolin-tempel.eu/shaolin/index.php/de/shaolin-tempel/14-abmahnschreibens-des-muttertempels)

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Shi Heng Yi claims to be ordained as a master by Shi Yan Hai, later saying he is not even a monk aso. A lot of self destructive information. The guy that he wants to be ordained from, wasnt a part of shaolin.

Shi Heng Yi, just like Monroe Coloumbe learned under a master Dow (not a shaolin) that teached a mixture of martial arts (but NOT the shaolin kung fu). http://www.shaolin-orden.de/cgi-bin/orden/nav.pl?seite=personentexte/shi-heng-yi

("Vietnam veteran Air Force Master Sgt Frankie Dow, who died in 2013 at the age of 66 and whose obituary states that he was an active church member of the Grace Fellowship Church, founded a teaching program for the American military police that then mutated into the Shaolin Temple.")

Shi Yan Hai (the one they claim to have their master titles from) left the offical shaolin temple Berlin 2004 and made up his own thing in Bielefeld. At that time they met up. But Shi wants to be a master since 2001 already? Frankie Dow is no master in shaolin though and also never claimed to be.

"Furthermore, it is implied between the lines that there is some kind of mastery associated with this, Shi Heng Yi has been considered a master since 2001 and the abbot would also have to have such a rank in order to be an abbot. However, the classification of "Heng" in the 35th generation only refers to the disciple, nothing more."

Later on, Shi Heng Yi recently did his first pin in the official warrior monk duan pin system, which makes him officialy a student, which also represents his knowledge about buddhism and shaolin.

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https://www.shaolintemple.eu/uploads/Media/2022/Unique%20Experience/Unique%20Experience%20%C2%B7%20Jiang%20Yu%20Shan%20(PDF).pdf

5 k per person, with a dude that also claims to be official, hist masters photoshopped themselfs into official shaolin pictures. (I think Gui Do spoke about that : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5_2izOSAAc)

A buddhist magazine once called otterberg, asking if their are official masters or not, them responding „We re just calling ourselfs that, whats the problem?

Some german discussions on this:

https://www.buddhaland.de/forum/thread/22812-wer-kennt-monroe-coulombe-alias-shi-heng-zong-vom-shaolin-tempel-europe/?pageNo=1

http://www.spiegelblog.net/spiegel-tv-reportage-kaempfen-fuer-buddha.html

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http://www.shaolin-nrw.de/Shaolin_in_Deutschland.html

"No matter what you read and find in your search about Shaolin in Germany: First of all, pay attention to the "red logo" with the three-part monk. It is protected by law and may be used by authorized schools of Shaolin Temple China. It shows you that this school is in contact with the temple in China and you may not be disappointed later. To what extent you will be looked after elsewhere and whether you will learn more or less about Shaolin, you can also find out about the Shaolin monks' principle of faith. If you are unsure, go to the Shaolin Temple Berlin or the Shaolin Association German in Velbert Langenberg, where you can legitimize yourself properly, even with other documents. Or call the Shaolin Temple Berlin on 030 23631389 or Velbert Langenberg on 02052 80630.

False masters

The other side of the coin, however, was that martial artists often flew to Shaolin, stayed there for a short time and got off the plane in Germany as great masters with fantasy stories and photos from the Shaolin temple. However, not only martial artists and such "masters" discovered Shaolin for themselves, but also the industry, the media and many other organizations. A marketing machine was set in motion and everything from Shaolin beer to Shaolin sausage or Shaolin cigarettes was suddenly available. Much to the displeasure of the Buddhist temple leadership in China.

Name Shaolin

They reacted and the name "Shaolin" was protected, including with the above-mentioned "red logo". As the name "Shaolin" still fascinates many people today, this was an important and correct decision. The temple management is not necessarily concerned with who uses the name Shaolin, as this also has advantages for the temple (e.g. advertising), but with the way in which it is sometimes used.

Shaolin in Germany

The situation changed in 2001 with the founding of a recognized Shaolin temple in Germany/Berlin commissioned by the mother temple. The current head of the Shaolin Temple China, the honorable Abbot Shi Yong Xin, decided to support a project that had almost failed in 2006. Within 5 years, the idea of the abbot slipped out of the hands of the German managing director appointed at the time and he left behind a difficult situation after his departure. At this time, the majority of the first Shaolin monks who were sent to Berlin were also unable to cope with their monastic life and the tasks associated with it and entered worldly life. The Western world with its materialistic and other values, such as starting a family, had caught up with them. Without a mission from Shaolin Temple China, some became independent, mostly in the field of Shaolin Kung Fu. (can be researched everywhere on the net). In the biographies, everyone gives their own reasons. At the same time, a certain number of other schools tried to claim their own rights in the Shaolin area, which of course also had no mandate from the temple leadership in China.

"Half a truth is still a whole lie"

At this point, some people even thought they had to found or support other temples and centers. From the internet to the press, we receive reports that are simply not true. In the age of the World Wide Web, even TV stations and TV media, which are mainly concerned with ratings, are apparently deliberately unable to do proper research. With documentaries in which for example, in which a young man goes from a "so-called temple" in Germany to China, to many false reports, unbelievable things are happening. These and other, sometimes even worse, methods are used to create a false impression in order to make a name for themselves in the martial arts scene with half-truths. Even logos are now being misused. For those truly interested, this naturally casts a dark shadow over Shaolin culture in Germany. The confusion is great and is not in line with Shaolin philosophies.

Shaolin teacher travels to China - warnings

After the director of the Shaolin Center Velbert Langenberg, Shifu Thomas Malz, got to know not only the former managing director of Berlin, but also some of the "so-called false Shaolin temples, centers and masters" personally, he wanted to keep an overview in this chaos. To find out how the situation in Germany is really viewed by the temple leadership in China, Shifu Thomas Malz flew to China again with a friend in February 2008. At the Shaolin monastery, they sought a direct conversation with Shaolin abbot Shi Yong Xin, who informed them in writing that there is only one Shaolin temple in Germany, based in Berlin. At the same time, there were several warnings, including one to a fake temple in Rhineland-Palatinate. These warnings can be viewed in Berlin and Velbert. Although there are now really good Kung Fu schools in Germany (see link/ IMAEC), others, especially in the Shaolin area, seem to have completely lost touch with reality. It is certainly difficult for any martial arts school, even if it is privately run, to strike a balance between tradition and commerce, but fantasies and lies should be left out of the equation.

certified by. Thomas Malz, Yan Hai Liu and Abbot Shi Yong Xin after talks in 2008 about the Shaolin situation in Germany

Recommendation for those interested in Shaolin

The Mother Temple itself and the temple leadership in Berlin are endeavoring to provide information through contact persons and statements. In addition, Abbot Shi Yong Xin has the officially recognized Shaolin Temple Germany/ Berlin and the officially recognized Shaolin Association Germany with headquarters in Velbert - Langenberg. Each of these institutions can legitimize itself and is informed about current developments of Shaolin in Germany/Europe. Here you can make inquiries and receive first-hand information:

Velbert Tel.: 02052 80630 Berlin Tel. 030 23631389

"Regardless of those who mistake cunning for wisdom, disobedience for boldness and take gossip for truth" Confucius (551- 479 BC)

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)"

Further info -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Shaolin/comments/1755exx/shi_heng_yi_a_fraud_for_shaolin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

See also: Work from Gui Do (there are quite a few english and german videos on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTZEnB0Qyfo

Hello All,

I decided finally to go Shaolin Temple in China. I want some suggestions from the community for the best one and your experiences. I wanted to go there for Vacation and for a month.

I've recently moved to the US and CT from the UK. I'm trying to find a replacement Shifu to continue my Shaolin Martial Arts.

I've looked online, reached out to a few potentials, however I've not found exactly the person to help my practice.

Any suggestions appreciated 👍

OMG guys, I just stumbled upon this account that gave away a postcard from Shaolin last Sunday! I'm so bummed I missed it. Do you think there's still a chance to get one?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ct3pEd9IbHb/?utm\_source=ig\_web\_copy\_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

I've been writing a fictional book and just wanted to know which stance or fighting style suits best against kung fu's tiger stance...

Thank you for your help!

Hi, i'm planning on doing a vegetarian strictly based diet and I was interested on what shaolin monks eat.

Due to my martial arts practice (I train judo and did taekwondo and Karate in the past) I been interested on shaolin monks and how they live.

I been watching videos and such about food but the only thing I got is that they usually have Eight Treasures soup for breakfast, appart from veggies, fruits and such for the other meals.

Does anyone know more recipes they eat during lunch and dinner?