/r/RadioQuietZone
Our wikis are at
https://www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/wiki/index
Radio quiet zones in West Virginia, Australia and Puerto Rico. Off grid areas outside of the radio quiet zone which do not have cell reception. Electromagnetic hypersensitive communities in the world.
Wikis
https://www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/wiki/index
Related subs
/r/electromagnetics
r/electromagnetics is a health sub for people with radio wave sickness or electromagnetic hypersensitivity (EHS). /r/electromagnetics covers:
Adverse health effects of electromagnetic fields, cell phones, cell towers, smart meters, wi-fi, etc.
Radio wave sickness (RWS) diagnosis and treatment
Biomarkers of RWS and brain zapping
Diagnosis and treatment for brain zapping
Meter reviews. How to use meters. Meter reports.
Shielding
earthing, etc.
mobile phone addiction, internet addiction, social media addiction and internet gaming addiction. ws, tutorials, practical advice, forum threads, questions, referrals to health care practitioners, biomarkers, lab tests, treatments, meters, shielding, earthing, etc. EMF causes multiple chemical sensitivity, neurotransmitter imbalances, brain injury, depression, addiction, insomnia, tinnitus, demyelination, mold infection, electromagnetic hypersensitivity.
/r/targetedenergyweapons is a scientific targeted individual type sub. /r/TargetedEnergyWeapons covers meter measuring radar and infrasound, heavy duty shielding, laws on electronic torture and directed energy weapons attacks, brain zapping, microwave auditory effect (V2K), wireless sensor networks, etc.
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[WIKI] Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Preparing For Interviews by Reporters
[RQZ: WV: WiFi] Fake news by the Washington Post that the radio quiet zone does not have wifi and cordless phones.
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV] Interviewees should have a jointly written fact sheet and written agreement to give to reporters.
Part 3: A healthy spouse of an electrosensitive gave Washington Post reporter outdated information. Interviewees should have electromagnetic hypersensitivity. Interviewees should not be family members of electrosensitives unless disclosed as such and are up to date with current studies and news.
21:36 UTC
Part 3: A healthy spouse of an electrosensitive gave Washington Post reporter outdated information. Interviewees should have electromagnetic hypersensitivity. Interviewees should not be family members of electrosensitives unless disclosed as such and are up to date with current studies and news.
The Washington Post reporter had not disclosed the spouse is not an electrosensitive. The reporter had not disclosed he received information other than from the identified interviewees. However, he not only received information from a healthy person. He published the information.
People wishing to be interviewed should submit a comment here and disclose whether they are an electrosensitive. Interviewees should be restricted to people with electrosensitivity who have resided in the radio quiet zone for a minimum of one year and who have had electromagnetic hypersensitivity for a minimum of one year.
Healthy people and electrosensitivites, regardless of how long they have electromagnetic hypersensitivity, can contribute to drafting and updating a fact sheet to give to reporters:
The spouse told the Washington Post that "there’s no true scientific consensus on their illness, though they point out that Sweden recognizes electrohypersensitivity (EHS) as a functional impairment — albeit a self-reported condition, also."
The reporter had not cited the study. Perhaps the spouse had not cited it. The study is:
This study was published in 2006. The spouse is out of the loop. Meaning the spouse brought up an 18 year old study as if there were no recent studies. There are more recent studies. Perhaps being a spouse, he has no interested in learning any further. Hence, he should not have been interviewed by the Washington Post reporter.
The spouse assumed a study conducted in a country means the country acknowledges that medical condition. Whereas, it does not. There is nothing online that states the government or medical establishment of Sweden acknowledges EHS or awards disability income.
By discussing only a foreign country, the spouse implied there are no studies on EHS in the United States and implied EHS is not recognized in the United States. Whereas, ICD diagnostic codes and studies published in medical journals were cited in part 2.
Please submit future studies in r/electromagnetics. The studies will be archived into wikis. Cite the wikis to reporters.
19:31 UTC
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV] Interviewees should have a jointly written fact sheet and written agreement to give to reporters.
This is part 2. Written agreement was discussed in part 1 at:
Instead of showing off their homes, interviewees should submit a jointly written fact sheet to reports. At the very least, refer sources such as r/RadioQuietZone subreddit for reporters can learn about the radio quiet zone. Refer r/electromagnetics submit, the largest electromagnetic hypersensitive forum in the world, for reporters can learn about electromagnetic hypersensitivity (EHS).
In all of the fake news, interviewees appear dumb. They don't research and read about where they reside and about their medical condition,
Referring Brandon, who has resided here a mere two weeks, to a Washington Post reporter was a mistake. Brandon could not describe the radio quiet zone. Only long term residents should be referred as interviewees to reporters.
Referring Brandon, who very recently became electrosensitivity was a mistake. The reporter wrote Brandon suspected a cell tower a quarter mile away was making him sick. Brandon made no effort to find an electromagnetic hypersensitivity support group. Had he asked in r/electromagnetics if a cell tower was making him sick, he would have been asked to download a free cell tower meter app.
[WIKI] Meters Apps: Cell Tower Locators
https://www.reddit.com/r/Electromagnetics/comments/epvp3x/wiki_meter_apps_cell_tower_locators/
Brandon would have been asked to submit a meter report and given examples.
[WIKI] Meter Reports: Cell Towers
https://www.reddit.com/r/Electromagnetics/comments/ehragl/wiki_meter_reports_cell_towers/?
None of the interviewees mentioned they use free meter apps or a hand held meter. None submitted a meter report to reporters. Being ignorant of metering makes electrosensitives appear dumb and lazy.
Interviewees don't inform reporters what prohibitions Green Bank Observatory actually enforces. In 2019, I invited EHS residents to come with me to ask Mike Holstine questions. No one wanted to. I took notes. I created r/RadioQuietZone subreddit and submitted my notes:
[RQZ: WV] Green Bank Observatory's policy regarding wi-fi and bluetooth
I started a support group. I invited Mike Holstine to speak. Few attended. No one wanted to take notes. I took notes and submitted them on reddit:
[RQZ: WV] Observatory scientist will answer questions at the electromagnetic hyypersensitivity support group meeting
https://www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/comments/bebpm1/rqz_wv_observatory_scientist_will_answer/
Residents here are ignorant. No one reads the posts. No one residing in the radio quiet zone refers reddit other than me.
They do not know what the Green Bank Observatory does actually prohibits and enforces the prohibitions.
I shouldn't have to reread the above mentioned two posts. Read them. I will summarize.
(1) Smart meters are banned in zones 1 through 4. Zone 5 has automated meter readers. Hypocritically, people refer newcomers to Mountain Quest in zone 5. Mountain Quest takes money from newcomers but does not accommodate them. Mountain Quest refused to ask Mon Power to opt out of automatic meter readers.
[RQZ: WV] [Smart Meters] Green Bank Observatory's policy on electric meters and gas meters in the radio quiet zone.
[RQZ: WV: Radiofrequency] Part two: No opt out to keep analogue meters in West Virginia.
[RQZ: WV: Radiofrequency] Part 3: EHS people refer Mountain Quest B&B to EHS visitors but neither they nor Mountain Quest disclose zone 5 has AMR electric meters. Will Mon Power allow zone 5 to op out?
(2) Prohibition of LED street lights is enforced in zones 1 through 4:
LED street lights emit harmful blue light, flicker and emit radiofrequency as they are controlled by a computer.
[WIKI] Street lights: LED
https://www.reddit.com/r/Electromagnetics/comments/a4k8f7/wiki_led_street_lights/
None of the interviewees in the newspaper articles in the fake news wiki had informed reporters that smart meters and LED street lights are prohibited and the prohibition is enforced. Are they oblivious to the absence of smart meters and LED street lights? People have become electromagnetic hypersensitive from smart meters.
Interviewees should inform reporters that injuries from electricity are acknowledged by the medical establishment in the United States as there is an ICD code for injuries from electricity.
Refer reporters to studies on electromagnetic hypersensitivity published in medical journals:
[WIKI] EHS: Diagnosis
https://www.reddit.com/r/Electromagnetics/comments/42jeem/wiki_ehs_diagnosis/
[WIKI] Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity (EHS): Recognition
https://www.reddit.com/r/Electromagnetics/comments/42b4ar/wiki_electromagnetic_hypersensitivity_ehs/
All the above should be in a fact sheet to hand to reporters. Use this post as an incomplete draft of a fact sheet. The completed fact sheet will be posted on r/radioquietzone for others to update and refer to. The written agreement should require reporters to refer to the updated fact sheet on r/radioquietzone.
Part 3:
18:26 UTC
[WIKI] Radio Quiet Zone: WV: WiFi] Fake News There is No WI-Fi
[RQZ: WV: WiFi] Fake news by the Washington Post that the radio quiet zone does not have wifi and cordless phones.
[RQZ: Wifi] Fake News from Pocahontas Times that Green Bank is "the only U.S. town where Wi-Fi and cell phones are either severely limited or basically useless."
[RQZ: WV: Wi-Fi] Fake news by the NY Times. Disinformation the radio quiet zone does not have wifi.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/comments/iaikg4/rqz_wv_wifi_fake_news_by_the_ny_times/
[RQZ: WV: Wi-Fi] Fake news by Solid Signal the observatory prohibits wireless.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/comments/iall8e/rqz_wv_wifi_fake_news_by_solid_signal_the/
Articles on Green Bank misinformation that wi-fi was banned
[RQZ: WV] [Wi-Fi] Fake news documentary WiFi Refugees by Russia Today
17:38 UTC
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV] How many minutes to copy and paste email notice of Halloween party into a post in r/RadioQuietZone?
Jensen Halloween Party Details-2496 Potomac Highlands Ave., Dunmore
BOO! heehee 🎉 😎 🎃
You're invited to our Halloween Party(s), with costumes encouraged but not essential, at the Jensen house (2496 Potomac Highlands Trail, Dunmore, WV 24934). We decided to host a gathering on BOTH dates. You are welcome to come to either or both of these gatherings, as you are able.
Saturday, October 26th AND Thursday, October 31st
On both dates, we'll begin at 3:00, (no set end time, depart at your own pleasure)
Food options will be potluck. I'll be making two cauldrons of Chili - one vegan, and one not.
Bring your own beverages.
We will have the power off (except for the water pump) and will have smokeless olive oil lamps for light as needed.
Board and card games encouraged, the pool table will be open.
A craft table with a make and take seasonal decoration activity is planned.
We're hoping to have some kind of group game - optional participation, of course. We're open to suggestions for that.
FYI - Cats are present in the home.
To show respect and accommodate as many of us as possible we ask the following actions from those who come:
No cell phones in the house - turned off and left in your vehicle is okay No fragrances - many of us are very sensitive to these.
Email me at crusherkitty@gmail.com or call the house - 681-206-7112 if you have any questions or concerns.
You are welcome to invite others to come join the fun.
We're looking forward to seeing you and enjoying the season with you!
Nancy, Neil and Levi
17:09 UTC
[RQZ: WV: WiFi] Fake news by the Washington Post that the radio quiet zone does not have wifi and cordless phones.
We should not consent to be interviewed unless we have the opportunity to proofread the draft of the article and correct it. Reporters perpetuate the myth there is no wifi. Washington Post disinformed further by alleging cordless phones are prohibited. Ask for a written agreement to proofread and correct. The agreement should provide that interviewees have the right to review content prior to publication. If found fake, interviewees have the right to demand correction. If not corrected, interviewees have the write to deny being interviewed and photographed.
At its center is a 10-mile zone around the observatory where WiFi, cellphones and cordless phones — among many other types of wave-emitting equipment — are outlawed.
Only zones 1 -2 prohibit wifi, cell phones and cordless phones. The Green Bank library is in zone 2. The library has a cordless phone in the conference room/kitchen. The AT&T DECT phone emits DECT signals between 1880 and 1900 Mhz and bluetooth. The DECT and bluetooth signals have strong power density and extend throughout the library. We will be requesting the library to come into compliance.
There is no prohibition of wifi and cordless phones in zones 3 and 4. Green Bank and Arbovale are in zone 3. Boyer, Cass and Dunmore are in zone 4.
Wired internet is okay, as are televisions — though you must have a cable or satellite provider. It’s not a place out of 100 years ago. More like 30. If you want to make plans to meet someone, you make them in person.
For decades, "cable" refers to cable TV. There is no cable TV. There is DSL internet and fiber optic internet. The modems of Frontier DSL internet and Spruce Knob and Frontier fiber optic internet emit wifi. Hughes Net satellite internet emits wifi and GPS. DirecttV and DishTV satellite TV dishes emit GPS. If you want to make an appointment with someone, you use your land line phone or email.
Recently, commissions from eight counties in the Quiet Zone passed resolutions expressing concern that the zone hinders public safety. They say that the limited cell and WiFi service leads to slower communications between first responders and can endanger lives throughout the zone’s 13,000 square miles. And nonsensitive residents of Green Bank continue to install WiFi, even if they aren’t supposed to.
Obviously, this is why the Washington Post wanted to interview electrosensitives. The reporter should have identified the eight counties. The reporter should have investigated whether these counties actually do have limited cell and wifi service. Fake news. None of the counties in the radio quiet zone have limited wifi service. Wifi service is only limited in zones 1 and 2 in Pocahontas county. Zone 2 is actually smaller as immediately across the street from the Green Bank Observatory are houses and businesses that emit wifi. The wifi extends onto the Observatory property.
Caption of photograph #11:
"And nonsensitive residents of Green Bank continue to install WiFi, even if they aren’t supposed to."
Please note that only by scrolling through eleven out of 12 photographs, did the reporter state that there is Wi-Fi.
Fake news that only in Green Bank is wifi prohibited. Therefore, people visiting misbelieve they have to pay the higher price of homes in Green Bank than the lower prices of homes in zones 4 and 5. Whereas, wifi is not prohibited in Green Bank. Wifi free areas are:
Fake news may bring more people visiting and moving to RQZ being led to believe there are no wifi and cordless phones. Who is going to tell them otherwise? No one in the radio quiet zone even refers this sub much less its wifi wiki:
[WIKI] Wi-fi: Fake news about wifi, governments regulations, lack of enforcement and mitigation.
Insulated wiring to protect from radio waves...."
Fake caption. Insulated house wiring does not protect from radio waves. Insulated house wiring shields electric field. This makes Electrosensitivity look crazy. They don't know the difference between electricity and radiofrequency. They think electricity is radiofrequency. Sue Howard should have asked for the above written agreement.
Reporter completely omitted electrosensitives are sensitive to electricity. Some electrosensensitives are more sensitive to electricity than radiorequency.
Crossposted in r/electromagnetics so its 5,777 electrosensitive subscribers can be shocked how electrosensitives in the radio quiet zone don't give a damn for accurate reporting:
Nor do Electrosensitivity give a damn to comment on reddit.
Part 2
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV] Interviewees should have a jointly written fact sheet and written agreement to give to reporters.
21:02 UTC
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Heat and Insulation] Winterization instructions for well equipment, water heater, sinks, bath tubs, etc.
In the event you lose these instructions, you can print them online at
https://www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/comments/1g51rzq/radio_quiet_zone_wv_heat_and_insulation/
If I am residing in Dunmore when you move in, I will show you and if you want to pay someone to winterize, I will show both of you how to winterize. If you vacate before I depart for the sunbelt, I will winterize. If you vacate during warm months (June to September), you won’t need to winterize. If you vacate during freezing weather (October through May), you will need to winterize or pay someone to do it.
KEEP ON CIRCUIT BREAKER #15 WHICH HAS 3 HEAT TAPES. KEEP ELECTRICITY ON DURING FREEZING WEATHER FOR 3 HEAT TAPES. RV antifreeze is not sold in Pocahontas county. RV antifreeze is sold in the RV section next to the auto section of Walmart. Amazon sells RV antifreeze.
Keep electricity on in your name until Mon Power reopens my account. If electricity is shut off, the three heat tapes won’t be able to prevent the well equipment from freezing.
If you don’t winterize or don’t winterize correctly and if damages you cause are more than the winterization deposit, damages will be deducted from your security deposit.
BEFORE TURNING OFF WATER: Water plants with garden hose. Jugs of water are stored in the event of a power outage or there is a leak or the well equipment malfunctions. Electricity operates wells. Refill any empty jugs with water in the linen closet in master bathroom, hall bathroom, breezeway and refrigerator. Leave a little space on top of jugs to prevent cracking from freezing weather.
Refill two blue 6 gallon water tanks in breezeway Refill quart canning jars in kitchen cabinet. Leave a little space on top. Move jars to refrigerator.
============================== TURN OFF WELL EQUIPMENT: Open skirting where a large black basalt rock is. Next to a black water line is coming out of the skirting. Turn off shut off valve with red handle. Below shut off valve is garden hose. Remove garden hose with a red wrench inside the box labeled plumbing on desk in garage. After removing garden hose, open low water drain. It is below the shut off valve and has a handle. Open red drain knob on T manifold to pressure tank. If difficult to open, use red wrench. Pressure tank is a tall cylinder near the power strip. Plug two heat tapes in power strip. Plug in power strip and third heat tape into outlet box. Outlet box is underneath the belly wrap and has a cover. It is next to the skirting.
Close skirting.
GARDENING EQUIPMENT Move things from yard to garage Remove nozzle sprayer from hoses, shake and store in cardboard box labeled “hose” on gardening shelf in garage. Detach hoses. Shake water from inside hoses. Store aluminum hose in large cardboard box labeled “hose” on gardening shelf in garage. Keep long hose in yard.
BATH TUBS Clean bath tub if dirty Open bathtub cold water and hot water knobs Unscrew shower heads. Shake water out. Place by sink. Unscrew middle piece from faucet from bath tubs. Shake water out. Place by sink. Pour 3 cups of antifreeze in bath tubs
TOILETS Clean toilets RV antifreeze is in the linen closet and under sink of hall bathroom. Turn shut off valve off on two toilets. Flush toilets to reduce water. Flush all your toilets until the bowls are empty. Using a plastic measuring cup with a handle, remove as much remaining water as you can from the toilet bowl and toilet tank The measuring cup with handle is in hall bathroom under the sink cabinet. Pour 3 cups of antifreeze in toilet tanks Pour 3 cups of antifreeze in toilet bowls
MASTER BATHROOM SINK Clean sink if dirty. Open hot water faucet of sink in master bathroom. Turn off shut off valve on hot water line to master bathroom sink The cold water line does not have shut off valve. Therefore, do not open cold water faucet if not turning water off throughout the mobile home. Pour 3 cups of RV antifreeze in sink. Save empty RV antifreeze jugs. Leave window in master bathroom cracked open to prevent mildew and mold. After winterizing master bathroom, put up sign on door “Winterized. Do not use.”
HALL BATHROOM SINK After closing shut off valve to well, open hot water and cold water faucets to hall bathroom sink. Pour 3 cups of RV antifreeze in sink. Save empty RV antifreeze jugs. Leave bathroom door open to prevent mildew and mold.
KITCHEN SINK Open cold water faucet and hot water faucet of kitchen sink Turn shut off valve on to hot water line of kitchen sink Turn shut off valve on to cold water line of kitchen sink. Pour 3 cups of RV antifreeze in kitchen sink. RV antifreeze is in cabinet below kitchen sink.
WATER HEATER Water heater is inside closet of the northeast bedroom. Turn on the red shut off valve on the hot water line. Turn on the red shut off valve on the cold water line. Open drain knob on bottom of water heater. If knob is difficult to turn, use the red wrench in the plumbing box on the desk in the garage. Leave drain open for water to go through hose to the ground.
==================== WATER JARS AND JUGS Bring in three solar water mason jars from yard to refrigerator. Empty glass drinking water jars in kitchen cabinet and refrigerator because last winter jars froze and broke. To prevent plastic one gallon water jugs from cracking, empty a little water from the gallon water jugs by the toilet and in the linen closet in master bathroom. If full, empty a little water from water jugs in crates in breezeway. If full, empty a little of vinegar from vinegar jugs in garage by gardening shelf. If you need more jugs for water, buy one gallon vinegar jugs. They are thicker, stronger and be used multiple times. Pour vinegar into large spray bottle on garden shelf. Fill vinegar jug with water. Label jug “water.”
CAR Move water bottles from car to heated room. Move tinctures from car to heated room.
MICE Unlock short door in breezeway to the under carriage. Throw mice bait underneath mobile home. Close bolt on door. Mice bat is in box in garage labeled “Bait.”
Inventory 2XL hoodies. Buy enough 2XL hoodies to wear over 1XL hoodies
15:15 UTC
[WIKI] Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Weather: Annual wind speed, snowfall, # of rainy days, # of sunny days, monthly average high and low temperatures in Pocahontas county, Greenbrier county and Pendleton county
[RQZ: Weather] wunderground.com uses Arbovale weather station. Other weather websites, such as weather.com, use Elkins weather station.
[RQZ] 2021 cloudier than usual in the radio quiet zone. That means extremely cloudy. Little solar for passive solar and active solar.
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV] Summer ends middle of August. By August 14, 2024, four mornings in the 50's. Then 60's. Then four mornings in the 40's.
[RQZ: WV] No solar living in Appalachian mountains. Insufficient solar exposure in West Virginia.
[RQZ: Home Ownership] [RQZ: Weather] Pocahontas County does not have building codes. Older homes are stick built without insulation or poorly insulated. Newer homes are manufactured homes with inadequate insulation. Cold weather 10 months per year.
[RQZ: WV] [Weather] Weather of Boyer and Bartow in zone 4 of Pocahontas county
[RQZ: WV] [Weather] Solar energy in Pocahontas, Greenbrier and Pendleton counties
[RQZ: WV] [Weather] Sunshine and clouds in Pocahontas, Greenbrier and Pendleton counties
[RQZ: WV: Weather] Average wind speed, # of rainy days, # of sunny days, rain fall, monthly average high and low temperature in Sugar Grove and Brandywine compared to Green Bank
[RQZ: WV] Weather in zone 4
[RQZ: WV] Weather in zone 5 of Pocahontas county and Greenbier county, WV
[RQZ: WV] Weather in Green Bank: Annual wind speed, snowfall, # of rainy days, # of sunny days, monthly average high and low temperatures
[WV: VA] Annual snowfall of towns in Pocahontas county and Greenbrier county
[RQZ: WV] Elevation of towns in zones 3, 4 and 5 in West Virginia
[RQZ: WV] Wind speed of towns in Pocahontas, Greenbrier and Pendleton counties
15:38 UTC
[WIKI] Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Insulation and Heating Homes
Also see the weather wiki:
[WIKI] Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Weather: Annual wind speed, snowfall, # of rainy days, # of sunny days, monthly average high and low temperatures in Pocahontas county, Greenbrier county and Pendleton county
Poll: Is the central heat enough by itself to heat your mobile home?
[RQZ: Weather] Electric furnace is not vented to the outdoors in mobile homes, cabins on blocks or a crawl space and older stick built houses with basements.
[RQZ: Weather] No company installs vented propane wall heaters in Pocahontas county. Southern States sells and installs vented heaters.
[RQZ: Home Ownership] [RQZ: Weather] Pocahontas County does not have building codes. Older homes are stick built without insulation or poorly insulated. Newer homes are manufactured homes with inadequate insulation. Cold weather 10 months per year.
[RQZ: Weather] No company installs vented propane wall heaters in Pocahontas county. Southern States sells and installs vented heaters.
Fiberglass batt insulation is held up by thin black fabric called "belly wrap" underneath mobile homes. Belly wrap is not made to last. Insulation falls down. Does replacing the belly wrap result in substantial heating savings to make it worth the expense?
15:35 UTC
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Housing] Room for Rent in Dunmore Next to Green Bank
Two rooms in a 1993 double wide mobile home on 2.4 acres in Dunmore. Dimensions of double wide are 23 feet 4 inches x 39 feet long. In addition, there is an attached 115”L x 271”W breezeway and 282”L x 271”W two car garage.
Rent from May through September includes use of a six foot tall shelf in the breezeway, use of washer, dryer and clothesline, mailbox and electricity. Heat is electric.
October through April rent does not include heat which is an additional amount. I purchased a propane wall heater for the master bedroom. I will install it and purchased one for the living room and a propane tank if tenants want to pay for propane.
There is no phone, internet nor TV. People with EHS go to the library to use a library computer with an Ethernet cable. GB library does not have wifi and is 15 minutes away.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/comments/1efvdss/rqz_wifi_wifi_free_zones/? To use your cell phone, drive to a town that has cell reception and grocery stores.
Or use wifi calling, [RQZ] Free wi-fi for wi-fi calling when a working pay phone is not near by. https://www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/comments/bu4nrh/rqz_free_wifi_for_wifi_calling_when_a_working_pay/
Master bedroom and master bathroom. $600 per month. $600 deposit.
Medium size furnished bedroom and shared bathroom $500 per month. $500 deposit. Dimensions of medium bedroom is 11 x 9 feet 9 inches. Furnished small bedroom is 9 feet 6 inches x 11 feet. Shared bathroom. $500 per month. $500 deposit. Because the bedrooms have a small closet, there is a six foot tall shelf you can use. Each room is for one adult. No couple or child.
Deposit is refundable if you leave your room, bathroom and kitchen clean and serve me an one month notice of termination. If you are renting for just 4 weeks, notice is not required.
Written rental agreement and written house rules. Shortest term is four weeks (28 days). Shorter rentals are in the lodging posts and campgrounds posts in www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/wiki/index
No mold. Roof does not leak. Commencing in 1974, HUD adopted standards for mobile homes. In 1996, HUD updated their standards. HUD requires mobile homes and modular homes to have insulation. HUD requires double pane windows and fiberglass insulation in walls, ceiling and belly wrap. My mobile home has the insulation required by HUD. I am one of the very few people in this county who installed additional insulation. I installed greenhouse sheeting on all double pane windows. Greenhouse sheeting is thicker than shrink wrap that is marketed for windows. Reflectix aluminum bubble pack insulation under new flooring in both bathrooms, Reflectix behind new paneling in NW bedroom, Reflectix behind new paneling in garage. Pipe insulation on pipes in kitchen, bathroom and water heater. Heat tape.
You will be required to do a chore two hours per week. You can choose from house cleaning, yard work, shopping while you do your shopping or forwarding my mail in a large priority envelope every 3 weeks. If you would like to do more than two hours per week, optional reduction of rent.
Proof of income required. If you receive social security income, bring your social security benefits statement or 1099. Friendly outdoor dog or cat is OK. No pit bulls nor a breed who would eat my neighbors' chickens. Yard is not fenced.
I had removed Spruce Knob's phone line because it was $70 per month, I had included it in the rent. No one could afford it. Many EHS people here have a cell phone and do wifi calling. They don't want to pay for both a cell phone and a landline phone. To do wifi calling, EHS people drive to wifi or cell reception when they grocery shop.
A back up battery inside the Spruce Knob's fiber optic box on the exterior wall and a back up battery inside Spruce Knob's fiber optic box inside of my home. At night when I turn off the electricity, the batteries pulse. You could have the phone line replaced after I leave end of September but must remove it before I return the end of April.
For questions about the room, ask at
For answers to your questions on the radio quiet zone, read the wikis in r/RadioQuietZone subreddit at https://www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/wiki/index
For answers about radiofrequency, read the wikis in r/electromagnetics subreddit at https://www.reddit.com/r/electromagnetics/wiki/index
18:34 UTC
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Housing] Housing in Zone 4 in Dunmore and Cass
Dunmore
Dunmore, WV is in zone 4. No cell reception. Population 341. The elevation of Dunmore is 2,477 feet. Weather is at:
https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/dunmore/west-virginia/united-states/uswv0997
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Housing] Room for Rent in Dunmore Next to Green Bank
ROOM FOR RENT IN DOUBLE WIDE IN DUNMORE
https://www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/comments/1cbev2e/room_for_rent_in_dunmore/
Chestnut Ridge B&B, Paula Garretson 304-456-4280 in Dunmore detached room $600/month. Refrigerator in room. Electric heat. No kitchen priviledges or wash/dryer privileges in house.
E.J. Cottages
http://www.ejcottages.net/lodging.html ejmcottages@gmail.com
E. J. Marcum 3366 Sitlinton Road, Dunmore, WV 24934 telephone 304-456-4319
Monthly rate available from November to mid May. $650 per month including electricity and propane heat. Option to pay for landline phone. Cabin is tiny. Kitchen, bathroom and two beds. No chair and no table. Mitigate GPS exposure by unplugging DirectTV.
River side cabin is across the street from the Greenbrier River trail. $75 per night. Weekly rate is $60 x 7 nights. Use of washer and dryer and landline phone at EJ Campground a block away.
The Bunkhouse with 3 bedrooms and one bath can sleep up to 8 people. $125 per night. ($10 extra for each person over 4) with access to the nearby bathhouse and laundry room.
Riverside cabin is along the Greenbrier River. Also have a River side cabin with one bedroom. $75 per night. ($10 extra for each person over 2) Winter rates Nov to May: Bunkhouse $135 a night. River side cabin $ 100 a night. (Propane heat costs)
Cass
Whittaker Campground & Cabin Rental
Tiny cabin is $80 per night. Shower and toilet are not in the cabin. They are in a bathhouse. Wi-Fi from office extends to cabin and bath house. Frontier -88 dBm and Frontier8880 -91 dBm. No kitchen
Larger cabin is $200 per night. Two lofts have beds. Larger cabin has a kitchen but no bathroom.
No cell reception. . No washer and dryer.
18:26 UTC
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Housing] Boyer, Bartow and Durbin in zone 5 of Pocahontas County.
No cell reception. Zone 5 has AMR electric meters:
[RQZ: WV] [Smart Meters] Green Bank Observatory's policy on electric meters and gas meters in the radio quiet zone.
Boyer
Boyer Station Motel
Boyer is north of Arbovale. Weekdays till 5 pm 304-456-4858. Evenings and weekends (304) 456-4667.
A room is $40 + tax, electric heat, wi-fi. $40 plus tax. No landline phone in rooms and lobby. No washer and dryer. Boyer motel does not have a refrigerator, coffee maker, ice. Electric heat. short bath tub. $40 plus tax per day. Three day maximum. No maid service during the three day stay.
Lobby is closed. Go to house next door. If arriving on a weekday, registration is after 5:30. Closed Fri 12/22 – New Years and closed for winter. Reopens in April.
https://boyerstation.com/Motel/
Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 2:50 pm at Boyer station motel. Boyer is a tiny town in zone 4 in Pocahontas county. Bulding across the street is vacant. Neighbors' wi-fi do not extend to Boyer Station motel. Inside room #31. ElectroSmart app detected 15 wifi hotspots:
Hidden SSID -78 dBm ch 11
WIFI123 -83 dBm ch ll
Hidden SSID -89 dBm, 2.4 GHz, ch 6
WiFi Hotspot 0557 -87 dBm, ch 6
Hidden SSID -89 dBm 5 GHz, Ch 149
Wifi123 -90 dBm, 5 GHz ch 149
Hidden SSID -90 dBm 5 GHz, ch 159
WiFi123 -90 dBm, 5 GHz, ch 159
Hidden SSID -89 dBm, 2.4 GHz, ch 1
hug2g344753 -90 dBm, 2.4 GHz ch 1
Hidden SSID -90 dBm, 2.4 GHz, ch 1
WiFi123 -90 dBm, 2.4 GHz, ch 1
Netgear32 -92 dBM 2.4 GHz, ch 7
Chevy Silverado -92 dBm, 2.4 GHz, ch 6
Linksys07097 -93 dBm, 2.4 GHz, ch 7
Chevy Silverado's engine was off. Its battery is powering the wi-fi. Why?
Bartow
Hermitage motel in Bartow is closed. Payphone at closed Exxon gas station next to motel is broken. Laundromat next to gas station in Bartow. Bartow has a lumber yard. Bartow may receive pollution from plywood factory in Frank.
Frank
Frank is in between Bartow and Durbin. Frank has a plywood factory. Smoke and chemicals from its smoke stacks drift.
Durbin
Durbin population 286. Elevation: 2732 feet. Durbin may receive pollution from plywood factory in Frank.
Durbin B& B
Durbin B&B is above a restaurant. Buster Varner 4246 Staunton Parkersburg Turnpike Durbin WV 26264 1-304-456-4506 varner@frontiernet.net Directions. in Durbin, on right side going north on Rt 250, top of restaurant. Durbin B&B $89 plus tax = $99.68. Includes breakfast. Weekly rate is two nights free. No phone in room. Guests can use cordless phone in restaurant. Bath tub. wi-fi. Refrigerator in lounge.
Laundromat at East Fork Campground in Durbin http://www.eastforkcampgrounddurbin.com/
eastfork_campground@yahoo.com 250 Main Street, Meadow Lane Drive, Durbin, WV 26264 (304) 456-3101
http://www.eastforkcampgrounddurbin.com/lodge.html
Lodge is in town. The Lodge is short walk from East Fork Campground! The Lodge is Closed during the Winter months. Open April thru October.
Greenbrier Suites
$90 Across from the train depot Durbin WV 26264 304-456-5030 gbsuites@yahoo.com Durbin, across from the Train Depot
West Fork Cottage
Sandy Varner Route 250 Durbin WV 26261 304-456-4509 kvarner@countryroadswv.com West end of Durbin on Route 250 left side just before Allegeheny Trail
18:22 UTC
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Housing] Zone 5: Lodging outside of Marlinton that does NOT have cell reception.
MARLINTON
Pocahontas county tourist has a 911 map of county. No town maps. 800-336-7009 or 304-799-4636.
Marlinton is in zone 5. City of Marlinton has AMR electric meters and water meters.
Within the town limits of Marlinton, there is AT&T cell service. City council approved a T Mobile 5 G capable cell tower in their building. Cell reception does not extend outside of city limits. This is why Jerico B&B has a cell phone booster. Jerico has wi-fi.
Almost all the homes and apartments for rent in Pocahontas county are in Marlinton and Snowshoe.
Outside of Marlinton's town limits
Country River Cabins
1261 Everett Tibbs RD
Marlinton, WV 24954
304-799-6948
Cabin 1 Moonshine Shanty Holds 4 adults 1st night is $150.00. Additional nights is $85.00 a night Plus 6% Hotel Motel Tax & 6 % State Tax
https://sites.google.com/site/countryrivercabin/rates
A mile from downtown Marlinton. No cell reception.
EDRAY
No cell reception outside of Marlinton heading northbound on Highway 219. from Edray to Slaty Fork.
Marlinton Motor Inn
21507 Seneca Trail
Marlinton, WV 24954
304-799--4711
Actually in Edray. Wi-fi in lobby and in restaurant. Motel has several buildings. Building in back has one wi-fi signal access point. Wi-fi from gas station extends to motel's building closest to the gas station.
AAA and AARP discount. Weekdays are $60/night. Friday and Saturday nights are $71. No weekly rate. Bath tub, swimming pool. No laundry room. Landline phone in rooms. Buffet dinner Fridays, Saturdays and Sunday evenings.
There is cell service outside of Marlinton heading southbound on highway 219. Buckeye, Hillsboro has cell reception and a radio station.
17:38 UTC
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Housing] Housing in Greenbrier county and Zone 5 Housing in Pendleton county.
Lodging: Private cabins, motels and B&Bs in Pendleton county
[RQZ: WV] Lodging: Greenbrier county that HAS cell reception
17:34 UTC
[WIKI] [RQZ: WV] Housing in Pocahontas county: Rooms in Homes, Private Cabins and Bed & Breakfast, Motels. Meter reports.
[RQZ: WV] Severe lack of rentals in Pocahontas County
Lodging: Rental ads
https://www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/comments/b94n3k/lodging_rental_ads/
[RQZ: WV] Lodging: Very few rentals have a phone line. Of those, very few have the phone line turned on, a landline phone and a Frontier phone book.
[RQZ: WV] Pay phones which work and which ones do not work in Pocahontas county and Greenbrier County
[WIKI] [RQZ: WV] Lodging: Public Cabins
[RQZ: WV] [Lodging] Private cabins and bed and breakfasts in zones 3 and 4 of Green Bank
https://www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/comments/cnnaul/rqz_wv_lodging_private_cabins_and_bed_and/
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Housing] Housing in Zone 4 in Dunmore and Cass
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Housing] Boyer, Bartow and Durbin in zone 5 of Pocahontas County.
[RQZ: WV] [Lodging] Private cabins, B&B and motels in zone 5 of Pocahontas county: Frost, Minnehaha Springs, Huntersville, Edray
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Housing] Boyer, Bartow and Durbin in zone 5 of Pocahontas County.
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Housing] Zone 5: Lodging outside of Marlinton that does NOT have cell reception.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RadioQuietZone/comments/1fvdfmd/radio_quiet_zone_wv_housing_zone_5_lodging/?
[RQZ: WV: Lodging] Private cabins and motels in Marlinton and Hillsboro in zone 5 of Pocahontas county which HAVE cell reception
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Housing] Housing in Greenbrier county and Zone 5 Housing in Pendleton county.
17:31 UTC
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Electricity] Seeking to share the travel costs of an out of town electrician to work together with EMF consultant Andrew McAfee at our homes.
The out of town electrician and Andrew McAfee could work at my home in the morning and your home in the afternoon.
Information on Andrew McAfee:
List of electricians:
17:15 UTC
[Modding] Moderators needed for r/RadioQuietZone and r/electromagnetics.
15:36 UTC
[RQZ: WV: Transportation] Senior Centers in Marlinton and Green Bank offer a shopping trip to Walmart in Elkins. Van makes requested stops along the way.
$10 round trip.
Meet at the senior center at 8 am. Monthly.
Requested stops have ben River Bend Farm south of Beverly which is south of Elkins, Dollar Tree and lunch at the senior center in Elkins.
19:30 UTC
[WIKI] RQZ: WV: Transportation
[RQZ: WV: Transportation] Senior Centers in Marlinton and Green Bank offer a shopping trip to Walmart in Elkins. Van makes requested stops along the way.
[RQZ: WV] Mountain Transit Authority refuses to pick people up in the radio quiet zone who do not have a landline phone. Refuses reservations and confirmations by email.
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV] Third time MTA bus failed to drive me to medical appointments
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV] Part 2: Mountain Transit Authority bus failed to pick me up for two medical appointments
19:25 UTC
[Off Grid: Oklahoma] I am healthier off grid. Where in Oklahoma is there off grid land? How would it be like buying a home off grid in the Indian reservation?
18:45 UTC
[Power Lines: PLC] [Dirty Electricity] Power Line Communication and dirty electricity turn electrical wires into radiating antennas
https://www.eiwellspring.org/plc/plc_antenna_effect.htm
Power line communication uses existing power lines and household wiring for communication. Dirty electricity is high-frequency waves added to electrical wires. An unintended consequence of these systems is that they turn the power lines into antennas that radiate into homes from the outside, and also from the wires within a home.
Keywords: power line communication, power line carrier, power line telecom, broadband over power lines, power line network, BPL, PLT, HomePlug, ripple control, EMC, EMI, PLC, dirty electricity, interference, radiation, FCC, regulation
What is power line communication?
Power line communication (PLC) uses existing power lines and household wiring for communication. It is used for a variety of functions, such as computer networking, utility control systems and smart grid.
The frequencies added to the wires is also referred to as dirty electricity.
In some areas, PLC is used to provide internet services to households and small businesses. This is often referred to as Broadband over Powerlines, BPL or BB-PLC. One home-use product is called HomePlug.
Some utilities use PLC to remotely read their electrical meters and are experimenting with various smart grid functions to control appliances in the household, sometimes also using PLC.
Power companies have used PLC for decades to control remote switching stations and other equipment, by sending PLC signals over long distances on their high-voltage transmission lines. The utilities refer to their use of PLC as Power Line Carrier (also PLC).
PLC is called PLT (Power Line Telecommunication) in some countries.
What is dirty electricity
Dirty electricity is any frequency added to electrical systems, other than the power frequency. In North America the power frequency is 60 hertz, in most of the world it is 50 hertz.
Dirty electricity is produced by many types of electrical equipment, such as energy efficient light bulbs, light dimmers, home electronics, computers, solar inverters, battery chargers and variable-speed motors. PLC is a particularly potent source of dirty electricity.
Unintentional antennas
All types of PLC systems turn the electrical wires into unintentional antennas. Since the PLC users continue to maintain that it is not true, this document goes to great lengths to refute them.
When electrical signals travel along a wire, that wire will radiate the signals into the air. This can sometimes make electronic equipment malfunction, which is referred to as Electromagnetic Interference (EMI). The engineering specialty that deals with these kinds of problems is called EMC (Electromagnetic Compatibility).1, 2,3
Cables intended for data communication such as coax, telephone wires and twisted-pair are all designed to limit the antenna effect.
The electrical wires inside a house and along the street were not designed this way, as they were never intended to carry communication signals. It is even common for wires on poles to be separated from each other, which enhances the antenna effect. The miles of electrical wires in a neighborhood can act as a very large antenna.
We refer engineers and other technical people to the appendix for more details.
Using household wires as antennas
In a few cases, the wires in a home are used as intentional antennas. The most common use is by electricians who need to locate hidden wires. They plug a small device into an outlet, which sends signals out onto the household wires (usually in the lower kilohertz range). The electrician then uses a small handheld wireless receiver to locate the wires.
Another use is PowerLine Positioning (PLP).4 This can be used to locate people in a building, if they wear special tags which receive the signals from the wiring in the walls.
Household wires have been used to transmit the wireless signals of an AM radio station serving a small area, such as student housing on a college campus. These are called carrier current stations.5
PLC systems as transmitters
The early PLC systems used low frequencies, which were not a problem for telecommunication. As faster PLC systems were introduced, they started using higher frequencies that were getting close to those used for telecommunication. Users of short wave radio (HAM radio), emergency services and radio astronomy became concerned that the PLC signals would spill up into the bands they were using, causing interference.
Radio amateurs started complaining about interferences with their radios. The PLC industry responded by denying there were any problems at all.6
A spokesperson for a PLC vendor with operations in Ohio and Maryland stated that:
[Interference] just doesn’t exist.7
However, an IEEE engineering paper on the subject states:
Power cables can be considered linear antennas . . . Whenever PLC signals overlay frequency ranges of wireless services, interference may occur.8
Another research paper, published by the British Broadcasting Corporation, states:
there is the difficulty for radio-system users that the signals [PLC] injects do not simply travel from point to point along the wiring, they also escape as radiated emissions [emphasis in original]6
The trade magazine Compliance Engineering published an article about PLC systems interfering with various wireless technologies, such as anti-shoplifting devices.29
The authorities get involved
The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) got concerned and started looking into the issue. The BBC World Service broadcasts shortwave radio world wide in many languages, especially to countries which do not have a free press. PLC could hamper the reception of these broadcasts.
Since the PLC industry continued to claim that there was no antenna effect, a BBC engineer produced a very elegant demonstration that a widely available PLC system (HomePlug) could be used as a wireless network.6, 9
The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in the United States looked into PLC after receiving complaints from radio amateurs. The FCC Laboratory measured the radiation from seven PLC/BPL systems. All seven systems radiated unintended wireless signals. One system exceeded the FCC radiation limit, while two others reached the limit..10, 11.
The FCC Laboratory engineers also produced a video.12 It demonstrates how the radiation from the power lines interferes with a shortwave radio, as they drive in and out of an area with a PLC/BPL system.
The NATO military alliance became concerned that PLC may interfere with military communication and intelligence gathering. A research task group was assigned to study the issue. The group found that the radiation from both the power lines, as well as in-home wiring could become a problem:
These increased [RF] levels would have an adverse effect on military communications and COMINT [intelligence] systems . . .13
The Japanese government funded a study to determine if PLC systems would interfere with civilian and military communications, as well as with radio astronomy. An elaborate test was created, with a power line dedicated to the experiment. Wireless receivers were then used to detect the signals at various distances from the power line.14 The Japanese scientists found significant radio interference from the test site and recommended that the government disallow PLC systems to operate at higher frequencies. The government agency concurred, and PLC was prohibited in Japan for frequencies above 450 kHz.8, 15
The Swiss Federal Office of Communication investigated the radiation from a commercial PLC system that brought internet service to the city of Fribourg.16, 17 They found that the radiation levels were above the German NB30 limit.
The telecommunication authority of Austria investigated complaints from emergency services and radio amateurs in the city of Linz. They found that the PLC system providing internet service there exceeded the radiation guidelines and that even the street lights acted as antennas.18, 19
These examples of controlled studies in laboratories and measurements on installed PLC systems clearly demonstrate the PLC antenna effect.
The British Electromagnetic Compatibility Industry Association (EMCIA) asked the British authorities to disallow broadband PLC in Great Britain, citing wireless interference.20 Other parties also weighed in.13, 21 PLC was allowed in Great Britain, but with significant restrictions. The situation is similar in several other countries in Europe.
Low frequency PLC
Low frequency PLC systems are mostly used to communicate with remotely read electrical meters (i.e. AMR and smart meters). Some of these systems use frequencies around or below 1 kHz (such as TWACS and TS1/TS2), while newer metering systems tend to use the CENELECT bands (3-95 kHz and 125-140 kHz).28
Some of the older PLC systems for controlling street lighting, and remotely turn off large irrigation pumps, use a system called “ripple control,” which also uses frequencies around 1 kHz.
Some utilities do not appear to understand their own technologies, as the following statement illustrates. It is from a 2011 response from Idaho Power to a complaint about their TWACS PLC system:
Our AMI system does not generate any frequency, we simply modulate the electrical 60Hz voltage and current wave form to communicate. Since there is no frequency produced by the communication there is no frequency to filter or cause a potential health issue.
The antenna effect is there regardless of the frequency. It is not only in the higher radio frequency bands that power lines act as unintentional antennas. But, it is only at the higher frequencies that there is a problem for commercial and military communications, as well as for radio astronomy, so that is the area that is studied and regulated.
The lower frequencies are not used much for telecommunication any more. One of the earliest experiments with radio broadcasting (by Riginald Fessenden in 1906) used a 50 kHz transmitter, which was also the frequency the U.S. Navy used at the time.27 Because of the poor sound quality at these low frequencies, the experimenters quickly moved to higher frequencies for their broadcasts.
Today, the lowest frequencies used for broadcasting is the long wave band (153-279 kHz), which is used by some AM stations in Europe, Africa and Asia.27
The low frequencies are used to transmit over great distances, as they can reach further. This makes them useful for communication with ships and submarines. The civilian marine radio and navigation go as low as 9 and 10 kHz.22 The U.S. Navy communicates with its submerged submarines at frequencies around 20 kHz and even as low as 76 hertz.22
These marine users do not appear to be concerned about PLC systems, perhaps because of the distances to ships at sea.
There are various examples where electrical wires carrying extremely low frequencies can be picked up wirelessly:
During World War II, scientists considered using the emissions from the 50 Hertz power lines in Nazi Germany as navigational beacons for Allied bombers, but better systems were developed.23
A military listening station found that they could pick up ultra low frequency emissions (about 17 hertz) from electric trains several miles away.24
Electric fences to enclose horses and livestock send out pulses at an extremely low frequency, but it can still be picked up as clicks by an AM radio receiver.
A research institute under the Italian Ministry of Health did look at some of the early PLC systems.25 They found that the systems operated in the frequency bands from 112 kHz to 370 kHz and could be clearly detected 100 meters (300 ft) from power lines. The authors wondered if the presence of a PLC system or not could explain why some studies showed health effects from living near a power line, while others showed no effect.
Other PLC antennas
Investigators in Austria found that street lights were better antennas for PLC radiation than the electrical lines themselves.18, 19
It may be that various electrical equipment in a house can work as antennas as well. This has not been studied, but likely candidates are electric stoves, electric space heaters, electric water heaters, light bulbs and track lighting.
Espionage using the antenna effect
The United States and the Soviet Union both started on preventing snooping by wireless means on their teleprinters, cryptosystems and computers in the 1950s. Even though these machines are not considered wireless transmitters, they have unintended wireless emissions and create dirty electricity, which can be used to decipher the secret messages.
The United States created the TEMPEST program to prevent such spying. Their methods include line filters and shielding conduits to prevent the antenna effect on the power cables.26
Regulation of PLC radiation
Following various investigations and recommendations by scientists, government agencies, the military and other interests, the governments in Europe and Japan have put restrictions on the amount of radiation that is acceptable from PLC systems.8, 13, 15 These restrictions are only for the frequencies that are also used for wireless communication.
In the United States, there are presently few restrictions for PLC systems. The situation in the U.S. is characterized in one industry paper as:
FCC . . . can be regarded as highly generous for high speed PLC and in no way obstructing the spreading of PLC technology.8
The FCC is the Federal Communications Commission, which has the legal authority to regulate wireless transmissions in the United States. That the FCC is much more lenient towards PLC radiation than other entities is demonstrated by various graphical comparisons.8, 13
Following complaints from the American radio amateurs, the FCC required operators of BPL/PLC systems to lower their emissions by 10 to 20 dB below the general limit.30 The FCC also granted BPL exclusion zones around some radio astronomy laboratories.30
As there have been almost no studies of the biological effects of PLC and dirty electricity, there are not really any standards addressing the potential health effects.
Public listing of PLC systems
One of the few concessions the U.S. FCC made was to require the industry to maintain a public database of all proposed and operational BPL systems. The database is available at www.bpldatabase.org.
It lists only BPL type PLC systems in the USA, and only by ZIP code. Complaints have been logged with the FCC that the database is not maintained.
How far does the PLC radiation reach?
The radiation level drops with the distance to the antenna. Since virtually every wire in a house and near a house can become a PLC antenna, it can be difficult to get some distance from all sources.
It is possible to measure the PLC radiation quite some distance from the wires. The Italian study25 lists measurements up to 100 meters (310 ft) from the power line, while the Japanese study14 measured up to 180 meters (550 ft) away.
The NATO study used a model that went beyond 200 meters (600 ft).13
The Swiss study17 was not able to detect any PLC signals from a city, when 500 meters (1500 ft) outside the city. However, the Swiss power lines were possibly buried, which would reduce the reach of the signals.13
The carrier current systems serving college campuses are said to have an effective reach of about 60 meters (200 ft) from the wiring.5
The American radio amateurs who complained about interference were up to 1100 meters (0.7 miles) from the power lines carrying the PLC signals.11 Radio observatories, however, would need to be miles away.14
Different brands of PLC systems will radiate differently, and the radiation will also greatly depend on the specific place. Some of these factors are discussed next.
The antenna effect depends on the situation
Antenna systems are complicated; the radiated effect depends on the frequencies, the current and the exact dimensions of the antenna. The electrical system of just a single home is complex. There are several branches of wires, which vary in length, change direction and have various equipment attached to them. The radiation can thus be expected to vary with the house, even in the same neighborhood.
The electrical distribution system for an area is also very complex. There are substations, power lines on poles or in the ground, which branch off in various directions. Older systems are also likely to have corroded connectors, which can generate arcing. Stray voltages travelling on steel pipes and through the ground are very common, and further complicate the picture.
Whether the power lines are individual wires on poles, cables on poles or buried cables can also greatly influence the radiation levels.
The general wiring practices are another factor which vary by country. Some parts of continental Europe use three-phase feeds to households, while Great Britain, Japan and the United States use single-phase. In the United States, each transformer typically serves just a few households, while in Europe well over a hundred households are commonly served by one transformer.
An IEEE article points out one country-specific issue:
In Great Britain [and North America] . . . only one phase and the neutral supply a building. Consequently, PLC signals must be injected between a phase and the neutral supply [of] a building. . . . this is a disadvantageous configuration regarding EMC [i.e. worse antenna effect].8
The voltages vary, with higher voltages used on power distribution lines in the United States. Higher voltages may enhance the antenna effect.
There are several kinds of PLC systems available. Some are better suited to a certain wiring practice than others. The different PLC systems also produce different signals, and thus different radiation from the electrical system.
There are additional factors than these mentioned. For further discussion of this topic, see 8, 13.
Reducing PLC radiation
There are technical measures available for reducing the radiation from wiring carrying PLC signals. Examples include filtering8, buried power lines13 and other measures that are all costly. However:
complete avoidance of unwanted radiation is simply infeasible.8
Conclusion
There is much theoretical and practical evidence that PLC systems and dirty electricity radiate wirelessly. This effect has been demonstrated both by laboratory studies as well as measurements on city-wide PLC systems. The effect has been demonstrated for many frequency bands and is not limited to particular PLC systems.
That PLC systems turn power lines and household wiring into de facto antennas is well established, though the strength of the emissions will depend on the specific situation.
Further information
There are two excellent and readable books on this general topic, The AC Power Interference Manual is written by Marv Loftness, who specialized in mitigating interference from power lines. The Designer’s Guide to Electromagnetic Compatibility is by Daryl Gerke and William Kimmel who specializes in all sorts of interference problems.
For more information on PLC systems and their public health issues, see www.eiwellspring.org/plc.html and www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter.html.
For other aspects of dirty electricity, see www.eiwellspring.org/demenu.html
2012 (updated 2022)
Appendix: Technical comments
The antenna effect is a basic EMC problem with various versions of a dipole antenna. As an example, let us look at a typical residential power distribution line in America, carrying a single phase:
The neutral and phase wires are separated by an air gap and the neutral wire is grounded at regular intervals, perhaps at every pole. The PLC signal is injected between the phase and neutral. The phase and neutral wires are then each halves of a very long dipole antenna, with one dipole also connected to a ground plane.
This setup is not much different from a broadcast AM radio station, which also uses a ground plane to enhance the transmitted power. If one looked at a photo of a long-wave AM radio station’s antenna, the similarity to a power line will be obvious.
The story about the Swedish trains24 is a similar example, where the aerial line over the tracks is one dipole, while the tracks (and the earth they are grounded to) is the other dipole/groundplane.
The household wiring is another example of a dipole, but with different characteristics. If we consider a typical cable, it will have two conductors (phase and neutral) and a ground wire, all insulated from each other and encapsulated in a plastic sleeve. The neutral wire is connected to the grounding wire as well as the earth plane (via the bonding at the service entrance).
Here we have a very small gap between the two dipoles (wires), which is just the thickness of the insulation. For our purposes, it doesn’t matter whether the insulation is plastic or an air gap.
If the gap was zero, there would be no radiated power, but the very small distance greatly reduces the magnetic radiation, compared to the larger gaps on power poles. The magnetic fields could further be reduced by twisting the wires (standard for cable-borne computer networks) or the use of coaxial cables (where one “wire” fully encloses the other).
Household wiring and cords are weak transmitters, but since they are so much closer to humans than power lines typically are, they can still be an important source of exposure.
In places where the two dipoles (wires) are more separated, the magnetic radiation will be higher. Examples are the bus bars in a power panel, wires in a wall box, and especially where there are unbalanced circuits and stray currents due to wiring errors (which are very common).
Then there is the ground plane. Whether it is relevant or not in a perfectly balanced electrical system does not appear to be known, but most houses have stray currents running in the soil (between grounding rods) as an alternate path for the neutral current. This means that for a part of the current (net current) the dipole gap is between the phase wire and the soil, not between the phase and neutral wires in the cable, so even a very small current can create a significant magnetic field.
The EMC engineers Gerke and Kimmel have a rule of thumb that a wire longer than 1/20th wavelength is an efficient antenna.31 This means for a 100 kHz signal it takes a minimum 150 meter (450 feet) wire, which is everywhere in neighborhoods. For a 1 MHz signal, the efficient minimum length shrinks to 15 meters (45 feet).
Due to the large dimensions and the rather short distances inside a home or office, the electrical wiring and power lines can be considered line sources. This means that the radiation level will diminish less by distance compared to a typical antenna source (point source).
References
(1) Electromagnetic compatibility. Wikipedia.
(2) Lecture 6 – Electromagnetic Compatibility, University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
(3) EMI Troubleshooting Techniques, Michel Mardiguian, McGraw Hill, 1999.
(4) PowerLine Positioning: A Practical Sub-Room-Level Indoor Location System for Domestic Use, Shwetak N. Patel et al, Ubicomp 2006, Springer-Verlag.
(5) Carrier current, http://en.wikipedia.org
(6) PLT and broadcasting — can they co-exist? BBC R&D White Paper WHP 099, J. H. Stott, 2004.
(7) Broadband Over Power Lines Hits a Snag, Grant Gross, IDG News/PC World, 2004.
(8) Physical and Regulatory Constraints for Communication over the Power Supply Grid, Martin Gebhardt et al, IEEE Communications Magazine, May 2003.
(9) Demonstration that power line communication turns electrical lines into antennas, www.eiwellspring.org/plc/PLCAntennaEffectDemo.htm.
(10) The FCC investigates radiation levels from power line communication, www.eiwellspring.org/plc/FCC_investigates_PLC.htm
(11) Federal Communications Commission, ET Docket 04-39, April 29, 2009 www.eiwellspring.org/plc/FCClaboratoryBPLreport.pdf See also reference 10 for links to the individual documents on the FCC website.
(12) BPL Interference Test – Briarcliff Manor, Video #5, FCC Laboratory, 2004
(13) Potential Effects of Broadband Wireline Telecommunications on the HF Spectrum, Arto Chubukjian et al., IEEE Communications Magazine, November 2008. Also available as NATO unclassified document RTO-MP-IST-083. www.compliance-club.com/PLT/NATO-PLT_MP-IST-083-07.doc (NATO version, free)
(14) Measurements of Harmful Interference in the HF-UHF Bands Caused by Extension of Power Line Communication Bandwidth, Fuminori Tsuchiya et al, IVS CRL-TDC News, No. 21, November 2002.
See also www.eiwellspring.org/plc/PLC_test_in_Japan.htm for interpretation and comments.
(15) For the Grid and Through the Grid: The Role of Power Line Communications in the Smart Grid, Stefano Galli et al, Proceedings of the IEEE, June 2011.
(16) Measured wireless emissions from broadband power line communication in Swiss city exceed guidelines, www.eiwellspring.org/plc/PLC_Fribourg.htm.
(17) Assessment of Radio Disturbance Generated by an Established PLC-Network at the Swiss City of Fribourg, Pascal Krahenbuhl and Robert Coray, Swiss Federal Office of Communication.
(18) Power Line Communication System Turns Street Lamps into Broadband Transmitters, www.eiwellspring.org/plc/PLC_mercury_lamp.htm.
(19) PLC interference: Report about measurements concerning power line communications systems (PLC) and harmful interference caused by PLC in the HF bands 2000–30,000 kHz, Federal Ministry for Transport, Innovation and technology (Austria), February 2006.
(20) Memorandum submitted by Electromagnetic Compatibility Industry Association (EMCIA), October 2009. (Submitted to the British Parliament and should be available on the Parliament website).
(21) Why broadband PLT is bad for EMC, Tim Williams. The EMC Journal, January 2009.
(22) The Electromagnetic Radiation Spectrum (poster).
(23) The Invention that Changed the World, Robert Buderi, Touchstone, 1977 (page 174).
(24) Electric trains disturb military installation. www.eiwellspring.org/tech/trains_as_antennas.htm
(25) Radiofrequency Exposure Near High-Voltage Lines, Maurizio Vignati and Livio Giuliani, Environmental Health Perspectives, Supp. 6, December 1997.
(26) A History of U.S. Communications Security, David G. Boak Lectures, National Security Agency, 1973, pages 89-92.
(27) AM broadcasting. Wikipedia.
(28) Power Line Communication Frequencies, www.eiwellspring.org/plc/PLCfrequencies.htm
(29) EMC: The Impact of Power Line Communications, Part 1, Diethard Hansen, Compliance Engineering, 2003.
(30) FCC Denies Reconsideration Petitions, Adopts Changes to BPL Rules, QST, October 2006.
(31) The Designer’s Guide to Electromagnetic Compatibility, Daryl Gerke and William Kimmel, 2005. Page 31.
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[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Electrical] NEC requirement on drop line burial from electric meter to exterior wall or home.
How deep does an electrical wire need to be for well going to house to panel??
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[Radio Quiet Zone: WV] Plumbers
Rusty Pipe Plumbing owned by Russell J Felton In Marlinton Works on well equipment. 304-651-4435 13046514435@tmomail.net
Workman plumbing 681-220-7552 workmanplumbing@gmail.com Doesn’t know how to replace control box for well.
Tim 304-799-4884
McLaughlin Electric & Plumbing LLC in Marlinton mclaughlin-electric-plumbing-llc.business.site (540) 840-8107 Doesn’t return phone calls
Darin McKinney Plumbing in Marlinton home 304-799-4831 after 2 pm cell 681-220-8216 Works on well equipment.
NOT RECOMMENDED:
Michael Vance in Durbin michael.v0203@yahoo.com home 304-456-3008 cell 304-642-0203
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[Radio Quiet Zone: West Virginia] WV Code §29-3B requires electricians to be licensed. The first version of this bill was enacted in 2001. Homes constructed prior to 2001 were not required by the State of WV to be wired by a licensed electrician.
After the effective date of this article, no electrical work may be performed, offered, or engaged in for compensation or hire within the state of West Virginia by any person, firm, or corporation unless such person, firm, or corporation possesses a license and a certificate issued by the State Fire Marshal in accordance with this article
West Virginia Code §29-3B, which regulates electrical work in the state, has been amended and passed in multiple years, including: 2021: House Bill 2008 was passed during the regular session 2020: House Bill 4960 was passed during the regular session 2003: House Bill 2744 was passed during the regular session 2001: House Bill 2371 was passed during the regular session West Virginia Code §29-3B states that no person, firm, or corpor
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[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Electrical] Electricians in tri-county area (Greenbrier, Pocahontas and Randolph counties)
Randy Bo Doss 304-646-5720 dosselectricalllc@gmail.com
Danny Carpenter in Marlinton 304-651-4236 or Home 304-799-2388
https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-carpenter-b6307441
Earl Jordan electrician in Marlinton 304-799-6871
McLaughlin Electric & Plumbing LLC mclaughlin-electric-plumbing-llc.business.site (540) 840-8107
Dean in Green Bank 304-651-4786 cell
B Jordan Electric 304-799-6871
Michael Hillegas com referred by Andrew McAfee. In Union, WV. Union is south o Ronceverte which is south of Lewisburg. https://www.hillegaspro.com/ mr.hillegas@gmail.com (304) 667-8376
Brian at Davis Electric 309 Scott St, Elkins, WV 26241 (304) 636-3950 and cell 304-614-0101
Dewey Hoover in Greenbank 304-456-4785 Rejects EHS people
Mike Sweeney of Sweeney Electric 540-823-0302 in Blue Grass, VA near Monterey, VA
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[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Electrical] EMF Consultants
Andrew McAfee in Dunmore, WV and North Carolina
Website: https://www.homeemftracing.com/
Ray Pealer cell 882-497-6264 home 304-591-1727 in Elkins
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[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Electrical] Part 3: Does the State of WV require electrical inspectors to inspect the grounding of electrical service panels of new homes and homes of new customers?
I could not find the answer on the internet. Would any one like to ask the Office of the State Fire Marshall?
https://firemarshal.wv.gov/Divisions/Fire%20Services/Pages/Electrical-Inspector-Certification.aspx
Since residing in the radio quiet zone, I have become more sensitive to electric fields. I suspected the stray voltage and stray magnetic field from the Green Bank Observatory. It took five years to discover other reasons. State of West Virginia did not have an electric code until 2017 when they adopted the NEC.
Electric meters to some older homes had galvanized steel ground rods instead of copper ground rods. Galvanized steel has less conductivity.
Electric inspector Randolph Hedrick in Beverly, WV may be willing to travel to Pocahontas county. (304) 636-6961
Older homes may have only one ground rod which does not comply with NEC code.
This month, September 2024, discovery of electric service panels are not grounded. Discovery should have been sooner. Last year, I told electrician Danny Carpenter that electricity was not grounded. I asked him how many ground rods was at the electric pole. He replied the main meter on the electric pole has a sticker with the electric inspector's name and contact information. The electrical inspector who had placed a sticker on my main meter is no longer an electrical inspector. Pocahontas county does not have an electrical inspector:
https://firemarshal.wv.gov/Divisions/Fire%20Services/Documents/Licensing/Electrical%20Inspector.pdf
What year did the State of West Virginia commenced licensing electric inspectors? How many years are electric inspectors required to maintain records? Does the Fire Marshall have records?
On the Fire Marshall's website is a referral list of electric inspectors. There is not any electric inspectors in Pocahontas County.
https://firemarshal.wv.gov/Divisions/Fire%20Services/Documents/Licensing/Electrical%20Inspector.pdf
Danny Carpenter told me electricity was grounded at the electric pole. He looked at my electrical service panel inside the laundry room but had not tested the ground.
It was not until August 2024 that a power outage in the neighborhood damaged the main breaker in the electric service panel and destroyed the control box to my well and hot water heater. I hired a different electrician to replace the main breaker. He moved some dirt away next to the electric pole and saw there were two ground rods.
Looking underneath my double wide mobile home, the electrician noticed the ground wire from the electric service panel was attached to the steel frame of my double wide mobile home.
Part 1:
In the radio quiet zone in West Virginia, USA, the ground wire from electrical panel is connected to steel frame of double wide mobile home. What is the NEC code for grounding the ground wire from the electrical panel?
Part 2:
[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Electrical] Part 2: Inspect whether your electrical service panel is grounded and if grounded pursuant to the NEC. Mine was not.
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[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Electrical] Apparently, Mon Power does not require electrical service panel to be grounded. Appalachian Power does but only for mobile homes.
Mon Power is owned by First Energy Corp. Mon Power services the radio quiet zone. Mon Power's 'Customer Guide for Electric Service – West Virginia October 2023' page 10 states:
8 Grounding/Bonding
The customer shall install the service entrance so that all applicable NEC grounding/bonding requirements are met or exceeded. The customer’s service entrance shall have a minimum of two driven ground rods (8 feet minimum length) separated by at least six (6) feet. The grounding electrode conductor shall be continuous from the service entrance main disconnect to both driven ground rods. Refer to Exhibit 5 as well as other exhibits throughout the Guide.
Appalachian Power requires:
Under the program, new or upgraded residential services are inspected to the main breaker and manufactured homes are inspected to the service panel main breaker inside the home.
https://www.appalachianpower.com/company/news/view?releaseID=1796
Does the inspection require the electrical service panel to be grounded?
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[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Electrical] Part 2: Inspect whether your electrical service panel is grounded and if grounded pursuant to the NEC. Mine was not.
Part 1:
In the radio quiet zone in West Virginia, USA, the ground wire from electrical panel is connected to steel frame of double wide mobile home. What is the NEC code for grounding the ground wire from the electrical panel?
Part 2:
NEC is National Electric Code.
Electrician grounded my electrical service panel by keeping the ground wire from the electrical service panel to steel frame of mobile home on the steel frame. He had not moved it. He connect a new wire from the end of the old wire to a new copper ground rod. Using a post digger, he drove a new copper ground rod four feet into the earth in the backyard next to my double wide. Appalachian mountains are rocky.
I corrected his mistake by asking him to remove the two wires from the steel frame. I explained steel can absorb stray magnetic field. Had I known what he had done ahead of time, I would have asked him to buy a longer wire and remove the old wire. Connect the longer wire directly to the electrical service panel. People in the Appalachian mountains, including electricians, are trained to be frugal.
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[Radio Quiet Zone: WV: Electrical] Part 3: Does the State of WV require electrical inspectors to inspect the grounding of electrical service panels of new homes and homes of new customers?
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[Radio Quiet Zone: WV] Third time MTA bus failed to drive me to medical appointments
On Friday, September 6, 2024, in 46 degree weather, I waited 25 minutes for Mountain Transit Authority bus to pick me up. The bus picks up at the beginning of the driveway. The bus never came.
This is the second time, the bus failed to drive me to a medical appointment in Lewisburg. Because the bus had not picked me up in July, I had to reschedule the appointment for September. I emailed admin@mtawv.com several times several times to make the reservation as it involved being picked up in the radio quiet zone, transferring to a bus in Marlinton, transferring at Walmart to another bus and paying for a ride by a private driver from the medical clinic back to Walmart.
Immediately after not being picked up to be taken to two medical appointments in Marlinton, I confirmed my reservation for Lewisburg with Tim Thomas. Yesterday, in an email, I confirmed again. Kayla Perrine confirmed.
After my medical appointment in Lewisburg, I would pay for a private driver to drive me to Walmart in Lewisburg to transfer to the bus that goes to Marlinton. I had told MTA while waiting at Walmart, I would pick up new prescription eye glasses at Walmart Optical. My glasses have been at Walmart Optical for over two months.
First time:
Second time:
MTA is incompetent. I want to file a complaint with Tim Thomas's supervisor. Who is the supervisor?
I asked Jaynell Graham if she would like to publish an article on the lack of service and accommodation of special needs by MTA. Jaynell Graham is the editor of the Pocahontas Times newspaper at jsgraham@pocahontastimes.com
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