If you have sex with a girl like what happens if you really really need to pee during it!??

They let the incel u/Lillthofbabylon make her coping post about youth being overrated while trigger banning anyone else who disagrees.

Jim's height really carried the entire plot line of that show.

He starts at a new company and meets a girl who's engaged (Pam). Despite her engagement, she secretly falls for him and entertains the idea of being with him.

Then, after Pam rejects him, he transfers to another branch and an even hotter girl (Karen) falls for him almost instantly.

Then we find out that Pam broke off her wedding for him after all. He moves back to his original branch. Karen moves with him because he's just that attractive. Karen finds out about his "thing" for Pam but stays with him because he's a tall Chad. After he finally dumps her, he goes back to Pam and she instantly agrees to start dating him.

Not once is our suspension of disbelief even remotely tested. We just accept it all as a matter of course because Jim is tall. If he had been in the 5'7" to 5'8" range, all the charm, wit and humor that an entire staff of TV writers could pack into one character would still never have been enough to get us to buy that plot.

We all just know deep down in the depths of our psyches that that's the reality tall guys are living.

Everyone should migrate here. Purge was great. Let's keep it going

lol back to the nursing home grandma

Obsession with blame and fault is counter-productive for both redpill and bluepill

One thing I have noticed in both redpill and bluepill ideologies is the notion that you are in control of your own life, and if you want to have a certain kind of life, you have to make certain changes in your life towards achieving it. The difference between redpill and bluepill then is the nature of these "changes".

I have also noticed both pills have a very pronounced idea about where the "fault" is for those romantically unsuccessful: with the person who has trouble with the romance, and not society at large. This is seen in adages such as "If you have a hard time dating, notice the most common denominator with all your dates is you", and "if you want your life to change, you have to first start with yourself".

I would like to contrast this with the feminist ideology and the idea of patriarchy. According to wikipedia, this is the idea that there exists "a social system in which men hold primary power and predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property".

Feminists I have noticed also have a very pronounced idea about where the "fault" is for those who are having trouble with life: with the patriarchy, the existing social systems. i.e. the "fault" is not the self, but the society at large. In feminist views, the problems of women such as wage gap and under-representation in STEM fields does not start by changing the self, but by changing men. This is done either via legislation or attempting to indoctrinate men to have views that more closely resemble those of the feminists.

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This notion of where the "fault" lies changes the nature of the process we use to address these issues. Let's consider three societal ills and investigate this process:

1- A man approaches a woman to initiate rapport hopefully leading to a relationship but is rejected. In this case we assume the "fault" is with the man. We attempt to give him advice on how to change himself for the better so he won't be rejected in the future. The woman in this scenario bears zero fault and must change nothing.

2- A woman applies for a job hopefully to be able to provide for herself but is rejected. A man is hired in her place instead. In this case we assume the "fault" is with the employer. We attempt to create legislation so the employers have less say over who they get to hire. The woman in this situation bears zero fault and must change nothing.

3- A poor person has trouble saving money and escaping his bad neighbourhood. He\She might have trouble even feeding themselves, or accessing healthcare when they are sick. In this case the society is split on where the "fault" is. The right believes the fault is with the poor, and they should just work harder and save more to escape poverty. The left believes the fault is with the systems that create poverty, i.e. the society at large. And the way to fix it is to change how we treat the poor via legislation.

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As a side note here, because this idea comes up a lot, I would like to address the issue of "entitlement". The idea is that because people are "entitled" to good health and not living in poverty, and not being discriminated based on their sex, these issues must be fixed on a societal level. A man being rejected however must not, because people are not "entitled" to romance.

I would like to point out that the idea of "entitlement" is arbitrary. Who gets to choose what a person is entitled to or not? A lot of people believe people are entitled to healthcare, and many believe they are not. Whether someone is entitled to something is subjective and depends on the individual's beliefs.

However, something that is objective is to consider whether these issues cause harm, and if they do, what is the best way to negate it. Whether you personally believe someone is entitled to romance, equal pay, or healthcare, what I hope we can objectively agree on is that not having those things causes distress and is an unpleasant experience. And if there are ways to prevent that distress, it is a good idea to explore them.

(And a side note to my side note: I'm not "equating" these three and saying they cause the same amount of distress, merely that they do cause an amount of distress which could be prevented)

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For all the three issues mentioned above, there are things that can be done on an individual level to minimize the harm in some way.

• The rejected man can improve his clothing and attitudes.
• The rejected woman can improve her employability via gaining additional qualifications and experience.
• The poor person can make a conscious effort to maximize his savings and invest those savings on capital generating commodities.

And there are also things that can be done on a societal level to minimize their harm:

• The society can provide free healthcare to poor.
• The society can make anti-discrimination legislation.
• For the man being rejected, there are many ideas floating from telling women to be less shallow, to extreme measures such as sex redistribution.

( It is interesting to me that discussing what society can do for the romantically challenged is considered taboo despite the fact that both men are women are increasingly suffering from its negative effects )

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Going back to the notion of "fault", from an objective perspective, when any issue arises from an interaction between a number of people, the "fault" would be shared between all who participated. But we are not rational creatures. We don't like to see faults in ourselves. This is even more pronounced when you don't have direct control about the situation.

Imagine if you are a passenger in a car, and I tell you that if the car is involved in an accident, you are at fault for it. That naturally feels unfair, because even though you have "some" amount of control over the situation (for instance you can tell the driver to slow down or be more careful), the one who has direct control and agency over the car is the driver. We can say if there is an accident, the driver is at "fault", even if the passenger could have prevented the accident indirectly by telling the driver to slow down.

Likewise, in the case of a person who is being rejected, I believe while there might be things that he\she could have done to prevent that rejection indirectly, ultimately the one who is at "fault" is the person doing the rejection, who had actual direct control over the rejection.

This is a double edged sword. On the one hand if you say it's not the rejected person's fault, it might imply that he has to make no changes to improve his or her life. On the other hand, if you say it is the rejected person's fault, it seems unfair and they might perceive that as hostility which would prevent them from being open to follow your advice to make changes to their lives anyway.

It seems the notion of "fault" doesn't help with anything and just gets in the way of actually preventing rejections (and car accidents).

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My conclusion from all this is that the obsession with finding "fault" and trying to carve out an "either/or" world where every issue is either 100% self inflicted or 100% other people's fault is counter-productive and does not help alleviate these issues.

My idea is that the best way to handle any issues one is facing in life is to simultaneously recognize that there are things outside of individual's direct control and while they should not be "blamed" for their failures, there are still things that they can do to try to indirectly influence their life's path.

So my suggestion to both redpill and bluepill is that if someone is having difficulties with romance, instead of trying to convince them of where the fault is, attempt to primarily empathize with their distress, while also noting that there might be things they can do to improve their situation. If they are open to it you can try to give them specific advice after you've gotten to know the specific of their situation. From my experience this is what therapists do.

What do you think? Discuss.

I didn't stop writing my progress journal, I just stopped posting here because I didn't seem to be getting much feedback anymore. In any case I decided to get back to posting my progress journal but I'm just going to edit this thread with the archive links as each week goes.

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Week 9: http://archive.is/HtZRP

Week 10: http://archive.is/THQDA

- break for Christmas

Week 11: http://archive.vn/hfV8l

Week 12: http://archive.is/OQLPT

For Week 7 check this out [click here]

Welcome to SRU's Weekly Progress Journal where I aim to do a bare minimum with a number of challenges every week mainly for my own self-improvement and sense of purpose, but also hopefully so I might actually get laid for once. (If you don't approve of men who aim for sex outside relationships as well as in them or men who respectfully approach women they don't know then this really is not viewing material for you). If I'm banned from here like with the r/PurplePillDebate community, you can still follow me in my own subreddits. My weekly journal posts will contain the following info:

• BACKGROUND INFORMATION about me [click here]
• The RATIONALE behind why I make these threads [click here]
• GENERAL INFO about my week (conversational stuff, really) [click here]
• MINIMUM ONE CORE LIFT a week for 3 sets of 8 (bench, squat, deadlift and / or barbell row) [click here]
• GENERAL CONDITIONING STUFF (muay thai shin and elbow conditioning, cardio, bag workouts, yoga/stretching, etc.) that is the same every week [click here]
• ONE SOCIAL EVENT I did (e.g. visit an art gallery, went to a writing class, that kind of thing) [click here] plus ONE SOCIAL INTERACTION with a woman per week MINIMUM (either warm [social networking] or cold [street, bar, night club]) or just a normal conversation [social networking] PLUS details - this gives me a week to brainstorm creatively how to do a warm approach before I resort to cold [click here]
• Only one SHIRTLESS PICTURE every week (proof of muscle gains) [click here].
• A minimum of ONE IDEOLOGICAL CONCEPT related to pill theory (dating strategy and / or gender dynamics) [click here] and this week I have chosen also to present ONE CRITICISM AND RESPONSE [click here] in relation to the fact the way I present my views was critiqued since the viewer could have came to the wrong conclusion that I was referring to women offering "meat" as providing some kind of sexual service. Really though, I was talking about time, investment and a level of intimacy that men (the clients) and women (the chef) both offer to be successful in dating (wherein sex or romance could be possible outcomes from this). Realistically, my point was that men and women both have to offer some kind of energy to be successful in dating and get what they want.
• ONE NEW MEAL I cooked that is healthy for bulking purposes (usually white meat or vegan/vegetarian source of protein, some kind of carbs and some kind of veg) [click here]
• My DIETARY BASIS, that I generally aim to cook most days, every week [click here]

The weekly journal posts also contain an appendix of the following subsidiary content:

• If you care about my IDEOLOGICAL FRAMEWORK, check out this post I made about the Purple Pill [click here]. The links "A New Conceptualisation of Dating Advice for Men" - both Part I & II - are the most important ones.
• Since I've started to replace cold approach with normal conversations I have with women, it's useful also to see my 2015 JOURNAL (cringe alert) which documented 1,000 approaches I made [click here]. The journal was originally posted online (the original site has been archived hence why I am only showing the word document) and shows feedback from other PUAs. You can see reading through this journal why I try to take a different approach to dating now.
• EXPERIENCED CONSULTATION - Advice provided by an online sexually, socially and romantically experienced presence, some users who have overcame similar obstacles to success as the demograph represented by the GoodMenGoodValues community (GMGV), some of whom may be referring to the GMGV advice giving template - "A New Conceptualisation of Dating Advice for Men" (parts I & II) and some of them just assholes. Often with these, the wheat needs to be separated from the chaff. Scroll down to the comments for each link:
  • WEEK 1a [mostly ignore this one], 1b [click here], 1c [click here], 1d [click here], WEEK 2a [click here], 2b [click here], 2c [click here], 2d [click here], WEEK 3a [click here], 3b [click here], 3c [click here], WEEK 4a [click here], 4b [click here], 4c [click here], 4d [click here], WEEK 5a [click here], 5b [click here], 5c [click here], 5d [click here], WEEK 6a [click here], 6b [click here, here & here], WEEK 7a [click here], 7b [click here]
  • "What may have worked for me when I was looking for a partner" (information from a man who has dealt with the obstacles and burdens of finding emotional and physical intimacy in dating) [click here]
• USER CONTENT INSPIRED BY MY JOURNAL - since I have begun my journal I want to evidence some of the work others have been doing also, to demonstrate the wider impact of GMGV and how a demograph of men that may feel disillusioned by the contemporary dating world are being motivated to work together and create a change even when the situation is difficult for them. This includes:
  • CASE 1 - GRADED EXPOSURE THERAPY (a useful technique for building sexually, socially and romantically isolated men up to the social interaction section of my journal) [click here].
• GMGV APPROVED RESOURCES - these are the dating resources that will make it easier to follow the template suggested for progress in a dating world that is rigged against men, especially socially, sexually and romantically isolated men (scroll down for appendice 11 - r/GoodMenGoodValues Approved Dating Resources) [click here].

Any general dating tips would be appreciated.

For Week 6 check this out [click here]

Welcome to SRU's Weekly Progress Journal where I aim to do a bare minimum with a number of challenges every week mainly for my own self-improvement and sense of purpose, but also hopefully so I might actually get laid for once. (If you don't approve of men who aim for sex outside relationships as well as in them or men who respectfully approach women they don't know then this really is not viewing material for you). If I'm banned from here like with the r/PurplePillDebate community, you can still follow me in my own subreddits. I am Sexually / Romantically Unsuccessful (SRU), I thought this would be a good place for it. My weekly journal posts will contain the following info (it's not required to read every point just the ones you feel are most relevant):

• BACKGROUND INFORMATION about me [click here]
• The RATIONALE behind why I make these threads [click here]
• GENERAL INFO about my week (conversational stuff, really) [click here]
• MINIMUM ONE CORE LIFT a week for 3 sets of 8 (bench, squat, deadlift and / or barbell row) [click here]
• GENERAL CONDITIONING STUFF (muay thai shin and elbow conditioning, cardio, bag workouts, yoga/stretching, etc.) that is the same every week [click here]
• ONE SOCIAL EVENT I did (e.g. visit an art gallery, went to a writing class, that kind of thing) plus ONE SOCIAL INTERACTION with a woman per week MINIMUM (either warm [social networking] or cold [street, bar, night club]) or just a normal conversation [social networking] PLUS details - this gives me a week to brainstorm creatively how to do a warm approach before I resort to cold [click here]
• Only one SHIRTLESS PICTURE every week (proof of muscle gains) [click here].
• A minimum of ONE IDEOLOGICAL CONCEPT related to pill theory (dating strategy and / or gender dynamics) [click here]
• ONE NEW MEAL I cooked that is healthy for bulking purposes (usually white meat or vegan/vegetarian source of protein, some kind of carbs and some kind of veg) [click here]
• My DIETARY BASIS, that I generally aim to cook most days, every week [click here]

The weekly journal posts also contain an appendix of the following subsidiary content:

• If you care about my IDEOLOGICAL FRAMEWORK, check out this post I made about the Purple Pill [click here]. The links "A New Conceptualisation of Dating Advice for Men" - both Part I & II - are the most important ones.
• Since I've started to replace cold approach with normal conversations I have with women, it's useful also to see my 2015 JOURNAL (cringe alert) which documented 1,000 approaches I made [click here]. The journal was originally posted online (the original site has been archived hence why I am only showing the word document) and shows feedback from other PUAs. You can see reading through this journal why I try to take a different approach to dating now.
• EXPERIENCED CONSULTATION - Advice provided by an online sexually, socially and romantically experienced presence, some users who have overcame similar obstacles to success as the demograph represented by the GoodMenGoodValues community (GMGV), some of whom may be referring to the GMGV advice giving template - "A New Conceptualisation of Dating Advice for Men" (parts I & II) and some of them just assholes. Often with these, the wheat needs to be separated from the chaff. Scroll down to the comments for each link:
  • WEEK 1a [mostly ignore this one], 1b [click here], 1c [click here], 1d [click here], WEEK 2a [click here], 2b [click here], 2c [click here], 2d [click here], WEEK 3a [click here], 3b [click here], 3c [click here], WEEK 4a [click here], 4b [click here], 4c [click here], 4d [click here], WEEK 5a [click here], 5b [click here], 5c [click here], 5d [click here], WEEK 6a [click here], 6b [click here, here & here].
• USER CONTENT INSPIRED BY MY JOURNAL - since I have begun my journal I want to evidence some of the work others have been doing also, to demonstrate the wider impact of GMGV and how a demograph of men that may feel disillusioned by the contemporary dating world are being motivated to work together and create a change even when the situation is difficult for them. This includes:
  • CASE 1 - GRADED EXPOSURE THERAPY (a useful technique for building sexually, socially and romantically isolated men up to the social interaction section of my journal) [click here].
• GMGV APPROVED RESOURCES - these are the dating resources that will make it easier to follow the template suggested for progress in a dating world that is rigged against men, especially socially, sexually and romantically isolated men (scroll down for appendice 11 - r/GoodMenGoodValues Approved Dating Resources) [click here].

Any general dating tips would be appreciated.