I looked around but do you have to get awards for it or something? I don’t use Reddit much. And hopefully I’m using the right tag.

I know we got Olivia but there’s been no others since.

Or will platforms like TikTok and instagram take their place? Will talent shows like The Voice and American Idol supplement them?

Does the younger generation even watch current Disney/Nick programs enough to provide the fanbase for potential upcoming pop stars?

it seems like a lot more music artists (at least in the late 20th and 21st centuries) venture into acting than actors become major artists. for example, popstars like harry, dua, the weeknd, gaga, charli, beyoncé, rihanna, sza, madonna, taylor, etc. first gained their notoriety from music before stepping into acting. for the pop girlies who got famous on disney channel/nick (i.e. miley, selena, demi, sabrina, olivia, ariana), i feel like their disney projects included them doing music, so it’s not like they did many years as solely actresses before ever even thinking about music. there are a few exceptions such as jlo, renée rapp, and hailee steinfeld that did acting for a while first, but it’s overall less common that starting out as an artist and then getting into acting. why do you think that is?

sorry for the long and clunky title lol, but i couldn't find a better way to phrase it.

basically, i was thinking about how artists like bieber, ariana, kelly clarkson, and ofc the Queen of Christmas™️, Mariah usually get a boost in their sales around this time of the year because they have popular christmas songs. even though other than ariana, most of these artists haven't really recently released any popular songs otherwise.

that got me thinking- what are some other songs that always get replays cause they're associated w specific situations, regardless of how much people like the artist themselves?

examples would be- thinking out loud and perfect by ed sheeran being popular wedding songs. 22 by taylor for 22nd birthday parties. her song august tends to go semi-viral every late aug/ early sep. we are young by fun. was a popular graduation ceremony track. party in the usa being the unofficial national anthem.

any other examples you can think of?

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Good morning! Here is this week's review of the Billboard Canadian Hot 100 chart. As next week is Christmas, I'll be taking the next two weeks off since I'll be with my family and won't have much spare time to do this. I will be back on January 7th for the first chart update of 2025!! As always, to view the full chart, click here.

1. Mariah Carey reigns supreme as All I Want for Christmas is You remains at #1 for another week this Christmas season. With a few outliers further down the chart, the Billboard Canadian Hot 100 once again becomes ruled by Christmas songs, aside from a few stragglers here and there. Here's the full top 10:
   1. All I Want For Christmas is You (-)
   2. Last Christmas (-)
   3. Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree (-)
   4. Die With A Smile (-)
   5. Jingle Bell Rock (+3)
   6. APT. (-)
   7. A Bar Song (Tipsy) (-2)
   8. That's So True (-1)
   9. It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year (+2)
   10. BIRDS OF A FEATHER (-1)
2. Next, here are some interesting chart movements of note for this sub (e.g. new peaks, entries, or re-entries):
   1. 11: It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas (+3)
   2. 13: Sleigh Ride (+4)
   3. 14: Underneath the Tree (+4)
   4. 15: Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow! (+1)
   5. 16: Feliz Navidad (+6)
   6. 19: Santa Tell Me (+4)
   7. 21: Michael Buble - Holly Jolly Christmas (+6)
   8. 23: Snowman (+5)
   9. 26: The Christmas Song (Merry Christmas) (+6)
   10. 29: Too Sweet (+2, current peak of #2)
   11. 31: Mistletoe (+8)
   12. 32: White Christmas (1947 Bing Crosby Version) (+4)
   13. 33: Blue Christmas (+2)
   14. 34: Darlene Love - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) (+9)
   15. 35: Burl Ives - Holly Jolly Christmas (+7)
   16. 38: Wonderful Christmastime (+6)
   17. 43: Step into Christmas (+5)
   18. 45: The Beach Boys - Little Saint Nick (RE, previous peak of #28)
   19. 46: Do They Know It's Christmas? (+3)
   20. 48: Run Rudolph Run (+2)
   21. 49: Gene Autry & The Pinafores - Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (RE, previous peak of #34)
   22. 52: Lola Young - Messy (+19, new peak!)
   23. 54: ROSE - toxic till the end (NEW)
   24. 57: it's ok i'm ok (+1, current peak of #12)
   25. 59: Shaboozey - Good News (+2, current peak of #52)
   26. 60: Alex Warren - Burning Down (RE, previous peak of #44)
   27. 63: Like Him (+6, current peak of #43)
   28. 64: Diet Pepsi (+10, current peak of #39)
   29. 69: 2 hands (+3, current peak of #22)
   30. 70: NLE Choppa - Gang Baby (+8, new peak!)
   31. 73: Gunna - On One Tonight (+7, current peak of #68)
   32. 74: ROSE - number one girl (NEW)
   33. 76: Hanumakind feat. Kalmi - Big Dawgs (RE, previous peak of #9)
   34. 77: Lady Gaga - Disease (+2, current peak of #28)
   35. 79: Risk (+14, current peak of #64)
   36. 80: Think I'm in Love with You (+5, current peak of #67)
   37. 82: No One Noticed (+6, current peak of #76)
   38. 84: Guy For That (+6, current peak of #14)
   39. 92: I Got You (+3, current peak of #55)
   40. 96: Charli xcx - Apple (RE, previous peak of #37)
   41. 97: TWICE - Strategy (NEW)
   42. 99: Mark Ambor - Run Rudolph Run (NEW)

Thanks for reading and have a great week!

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Between the lack of PR, the overreliance on singing and not dancing/entertainment value, it feels like we are seeing a decline in the development of artists.

I’m not sure if this is because we don’t really watch music videos anymore or because artists are in front of crowds almost immediately but it’s really lacking.

Also - the girls are not being media trained anymore. It seems like social media has created an overexposure of artists to where parasocial relationships form and quickly become toxic.

What do you think is causing this lack of development among new pop artists?

One thing I love about pop music is how the pop girlies treat every album era like a complete reinvention. It’s not just about the music—it’s the visuals, the aesthetics, the persona, and the world they build for fans.

Take Brat by Charli XCX with its Y2K cyber-party vibes, Short n’ Sweet by Sabrina Carpenter leaning into soft, romantic energy, or GUTS by Olivia Rodrigo serving angsty teenage rebellion. Even The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess by Chappell Roan feels like stepping into a colorful, campy universe of its own.

Each era feels like its own little world—distinct and immersive. Why do you think pop girlies do this so well? Is it about keeping things fresh, or is it deeper—like creating an experience or escape for listeners?

I’d love to know:

Which artists or albums you think nailed this kind of reinvention.

Your favorite “world” a pop girl has created recently.

Why this level of world-building feels so central to pop music.

Let’s discuss!

This thread was inspired by watching Britney's Toxic performance (the one with the fake tattoos on her arms). My Lord, what an electrifying, stunning, God-like talent. Truly mesmerizing.

I'm thinking of MJ and Madonna and how it was talent and aesthetic that made them the stars they are.

So why do the top artists of today lack this kind of talent that is expert, work-on-it-your-whole-life level good?

With social media, it seems like our top artists' number one attribute is likeability. Are they personable? Do they seem like your friend? Are they authentic?

Even if you don't like Taylor, a big thing for her and her fans is how she crafts a personable, down to earth persona. It's even to the point where I feel like if she took a year off to do dance lessons and became a great dancer, it would almost contradict her brand. Her lanky awkward moves are part of her charm for her fan base. It's giving, introvert dancing in her bedroom alone (eg You Belong with Me mv)

But i'm thinking of Madonna and she was very unlikeable. Very commanding though and a very strong artistic vision. (I could be wrong, I wasn't alive during her peak). And MJ? I don't even know his personal life. Except what came out after his life ofc. Back then, without social media, it didn't matter. the dancing, the visuals, the singing: those were what sold you to the public.

I think the last star of this caliber is Beyonce. She is extremely private, but her artistry is finely crafted like a Greek statue. Honed and refined since childhood. Vocals out of this world.

Oh, and Bruno Mars too: no one knows anything about him yet his voice and dancing and persona is iconic and known to the masses. He is a radio star and video star through and through.

So, what do y'all think? Will super star vocals, expert dancing, mysterious personal life ever become part of the mainstream again? Or does relatability remain king?

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• Highest Debut: #1. TWICE - Strategy (feat. Megan Thee Stallion)
• Highest Re-Entry: #27. Rebecca Black - Trust!
• Biggest Gain: #39. Sabrina Carpenter - Espresso (+8)
• Biggest Decrease: #34. Johnathan Bailey - Dancing Through Life (feat. Ariana Grande, Ethan Slater, Marissa Bode, Cynthia Erivo) (-17)

#Popheads Top 5 Bubbling Under Chart December 16th, 2024

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Rank|Song|Their Points|Actual Rank|Total Points ---|---|---|---|---|--- 1|Lady Gaga - 911|15.0|#1361|22.5 2|Chappell Roan - After Midnight|13.0|#153|133.5 2|FKA twigs - Drums Of Death (ft. Koreless)|13.0|#41|412.5 2|Jade - Angel Of My Dreams|13.0|#72|279.0 5|Charli xcx - 365 featuring shygirl|9.0|#37|435.5 5|flowerovlove - a girl like me|9.0|#6929|9.0 5|flowerovlove - ARE U SERIOUS?|9.0|#6118|10.0 5|flowerovlove - congrats! u did it!|9.0|#6929|9.0 5|Lady Gaga - Heavy Metal Lover|9.0|#5349|11.0 10|Ariana Grande - no tears left To cry|1.0|#1636|19.0 10|Fleetwood Mac - The Chain - 2004 Remaster|1.0|#1163|25.5 10|Kylie Minogue - Supernova|1.0|#6483|9.5 10|Lady Gaga - Swine|1.0|#7301|8.5 10|Lana Del Rey - Love song|1.0|#1404|22.0 10|Slayyyter - I Love Hollywood!|1.0|#580|42.0

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##How The Chart Works:

These charts are created based on how frequently each song appears in the top 10 songs/albums for all of the users signed up for the chart. If the song or album occupies that user's #1 spot in their individual chart, it receives 15 points, then 14 points for #2, so on and so forth until 6 points for #10. If there is a tie, which is a common occurrence, then the number of points is averaged across those positions, e.g. if two songs are tied for #1, both will receive 14.5 points. Oftentimes there will be multiple songs tied for the last place, in which case the number of points each song receives decreases until it bottoms out at 1 point each.

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