This may have just been a meme or maybe I’ve totally just butchered it since I’ve seen it but the quote is either some Ancient Greek philosophers exact last words or possibly something they said close to their death. The quote is something like: “your life is withought rhythm…” or “your tune is without rythm and your ____ is without____…..” could have been either Plato, Socrates, Aristotle. It sounds like any and all of these guys so if anyone knows please tell me.

This is my musical exposition of the mystical aspects of Platonic philosophy, especially the aspects which the Neoplatonists would reinterpret in their understanding of the mystical ascent. The song primarily follows the trajectory of the Phaedrus and the Symposium, but also references the Republic, Meno, Phaedo, Critias, and the Timaeus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1_DeeQ3YLE

I created a lot of hand drawn animations for it, and included a lot of alchemical imagery, as many alchemists did indeed interpret Plato alchemically. I created a number of animations of the images from the great Neo/Platonist Renaissance magi Robert Fludd, my own artwork, one of Athanasius Kircher’s illustrations, an image from the alchemical treatise the Rosarium Philosophorum, and images from ancient Greek art (the sirens and Eros) that I adapted. Yes, sirens in the ancient Greek context were envisioned as avian rather than aquatic humanoids! The chariot animation was created using the still frames of a film of a horse running and took awhile to make.

Some nuances: the line “drinking from the lake of memory” is an allusion to Orphism, as Plato’s theory of anamnesis derives from the Orphic cult. I am also dressed in Egyptian-style attire at one point, a subtle reference to Plato’s debt to the ancient Egyptian religion.

I have been studying and writing about Plato in an academic context for more than 12 years now, I’ve read and written about these texts a lot over the years, and I feel a very deep philosophical affinity with Plato’s philosophy. Though a rationalized mysticism, Plato preserves the knowledge of mythic traditions and mystery cults. In addition to my own knowledge and experience working with this philosophical material, I took inspiration from the books of the late Algis Uzdavinys, one of my favorite scholars, in the construction of the narrative, specifically his texts The Golden Chain and Orpheus and the Roots of Platonism. I include citations at the end, citing the sources for these lyrics to give it a bit more scholarly weight. I just finished writing about eleven thousand words on Plato for my PhD thesis concomitantly as I constructed this creative artifact, so sharing this feels like a personal culmination. I hope you enjoy this experimental didactic production! As Socrates relates, philosophy is the best music (Phaedo 61a).

In Eros unveiled: Plato and the god of love (1994), Catherine Rowett discusses the theme of love in Plato and in the bible. There are important connections, because today it is believed that the NT authors are influenced by Platonism. She shows that eros and agape, etc., have not such a determinate meaning as accorded by Anders Nygren (Agape and Eros). The Greek knew about unselfish love, too. After all, this seems to be the theme of Lysis. It is not so simple that for Plato love is primarily a desire for something that you lack and need and hope to gain, which is how we tend to understand Symposium.

It is apparent from the Lysis that Plato could convincingly represent the common assumptions of Athenians about love as being incompatible with an acquisitive analysis of love. (p. 60)

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Thus both eros and agape can be used to designate love characterized by either generous or self-interested concerns; neither the direction of affection from superior to inferior or vice versa, nor the direction of benefits from lover to beloved or the reverse, can be sufficient to define the difference between eros and agape. Hence we are in no position as yet to decide that only one of these terms could be applicable to the relationship between man and God. (p. 70)

Rowett suggests that it is a confusion to seek to explain love by seeking motives for love, or by identifying possible aims and rewards that are sought or desired (p. 71). Thus, she argues that love is blind. It hits you like an arrow released from the bow of Amor.

Anyway, this talk about unacquisitive love remains a puzzlement to me. If I desire God's love, or love from another human being, am I being egoistic, then? Isn't love always desire, either heavenly or worldly, in keeping with Augustine's analysis? On the other hand, isn't a parent's "unacquisitive" love for a child really instinctual? In that case it serves the purpose of protecting genetic interests. After all, crocodiles have maternal love, too. It's a good book; but important questions are left unanswered. I give it 4 stars out of 5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBLa26F0CyU&t=192s

Pain & suffering, pain of unobtainable desires, hurdles - from a platonist or even a Neoplatonist perspective.

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I got another 30, but reddit formatting sucks, so I'm not going to waste time. Thought that was interesting and worth sharing.

How does your Platonism view shape how you engage with current times?

“if Aesop had thought of them, he would have made a fable telling how they were at war and god wished to reconcile them, and when he could not do that, he fastened their heads together, and for that reason, when one of them comes to anyone, the other follows after. Just so it seems that in my case, after pain was in my leg on account of the fetter, pleasure appears to have come following after.”

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What is the pleasure Socrates is feeling?

Is it a metaphor for being surrounded by friends or is it something else?

Is that how he’s being ironic?

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I just don't get why Plato gets all the credit despite only writing this stuff down.The whole dialogue is by Socrates and he shares his personal views.

Are there any books recommend to get a understanding on how Plato view the Greek gods in a metaphysical theological viewpoint?

Anyone read it? I felt it was lackluster in a way, It didn't cover enough of the original source

Abstract: Self-predication defines the Form. Unity is constituted (not invalidated) by the Third Man regress. Participation is envisaged as a cognitive process. The harmful consequences of anti-Platonic philosophy in the modern era is discussed.

Keywords: Platonism, Participation, religious faith, Bradley’s regress, Plato, Aristotle, Wilfred Cantwell Smith, Arbogast Schmitt, Richard Gaskin.

The Platonic Form as Self-Generating Triunity : The Resolution of the Third Man Argument

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So I've recently been wondering about the standard view Platonist and Neoplatonists have on demons. What are demons and possessions? What is evil?

Any answers are appreciated :)

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I've heard some people say that they treat Plotinus's Enneads as if they are sacred and sometimes treat the passages as prayers. Thoughts?

I need advice.

I was raised Catholic. Plato's Forms brought me to believe in Christ, since Christ seems to be the ultimate Form of Goodness itself.

But lately, I've been struggling to keep the faith because ancient Abrahamic theology seems completely incompatable with Platonism. If this is the case, how can Christianity be true?

I'm considering Platonic Monotheism, but that route abandones the idea of Christ, which is super appealing. What should I consider in all this?

So, I'm a devout Platonist. How many people here believe that the concept of a "philosopher king" actually mandates tyranny? I always thought of it as a form of decentralized leadership in which political leaders educated the masses. I don't want Plato to steer people toward Fascism and Communism. Thought?

So, a god has to be conscious or aware at least some of the time. Something that is never conscious or aware cannot be called a god.

Socrates and Plato talked about the Form of the Good as being even more exalted than the Form of the Beautiful and the Form of the True. Apparently John Uebersax has written that the Form of the Good is equivalent to God. But I think Uebersax is highly prestigious, so maybe he understands a lot of things I am not aware of.

Uebersax wrote:

For Plato, God is the ‘Form of the Good’. A Form here means an Ideal — an eternal fundamental principle, of which material objects and attributes are imperfect copies. So God is the Ideal of perfect Goodness and source of all that is Good.

https://www.quora.com/What-was-Platos-view-on-God

However, I don't think Socrates ever said that the Forms are conscious or aware. In fact, that is why Socrates was not proposing to replace the Olympian gods. So I think Socrates would disagree with Uebersax.

To complicate the issue, I think Plotinus made the innovation of saying the the ONE was the Form of the Good.