I have not seen one valid critique of the ending, and I’d like to address some general points people have made.

1. the car crash - the car crash was there to show that the byrdes always win, even when things go south. It was also there to show that Wendy dgaf about “signs” from the universe
2. Ruth - people are upset about multiple things. First; they are upset that she stepped out of her car. You must remember she didn’t think the cartel was after her due to Marty’s promise. Second, people are upset that she developed and then just died - even though that’s not the preferred ending, she killed a cartel boss! It’s way more realistic
3. Jonah’s Arc was useless - the whole point of this arc was because he didn’t want ti be part of his family anymore. Once he learned that literally everyone in his family sucked; and that their cartel ties were ending, he did exactly what he should’ve done; protected his family from a weird PI.

Overall: the ending was way more realistic , and even though people didn’t “like it” , that’s only because of their emotions. The blunt reality that the Byrde’s won and literally everyone else lost, is how the show went for the full length.

Beyond the soundtracks and >!Killer Mike's guest appearance in season 4 !<I am curious to know to which extend the show was inspired by rap culture.

Eg: Is Mason Young named after Howard Young (mentionned in "The World is yours") ? The latter was charged with the murder of a police officer called Edward Byrne who's name sound very familiar

So I've arrived a bit late to the world of Ozark. Currently on season 3 episode 5, and it's been this way for me at least from the initial introduction to many of the female characters in the show. It seems like whenever things are finally looking like they're gonna start going well, a female character just fucks everything up. And clearly there's a major "feminine superiority" theme going on so far which is a bit ironic at the same time. I have no issue with strong female characters when they're portrayed in a meaningful way but some shit is just downright ridiculous. Every time Marty is finally on the verge of getting his family out of the mess they're in, either his wife or another female character just decides sides "you know what, i know better!". At this point in the show I love it and hate it, just kinda gets repetitive when I see a scene playing out and can tell EXACTLY what's gonna happen. They should just make the characters feel more organic rather than just so cliche for movies and shows these days. Almost every guy is either completely flawed, indecisive, or just such a cringe no brain macho man and literally every female is just a "boss girl" who pushes all the men around and pulls them by the nose with literally no repercussions to their actions...Idk, this is just what i've observed so far, love it and kinda hate it.

Okay this is for the ones who finished the series, we all know who died and did not die, but who do you think should have been dead the most?

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I'm so mad at the last season, especially the last episode.

I know it's realistic in ways, but to have Ruth's character develop so greatly from the first episode to the last just to get got!? Pisses me off..

Wendy's character actually decreased from the first episode if anything.. and yet she's still standing. I mean, she's NO OMAR (The Wire) as far as being an awesome bad guy.

How the heck did Ruth end up claiming the casino?

Wouldn’t she need majority ownership?

That whole switchero felt really weird and not realistic..

Yo what the fuck was that ending, mel finally figured out the truth about Ben and Jonah just kills him? Like that felt so out of character and random. Why does it feel so rushed? I hate this it makes no sense

I’m enjoying bingeing through this, up through 303 so far. Was there a change in the writers or show runner? The writing doesn’t seem as strong this season. The characters don’t seem as richly written. Eg, Wendy and Helen’s bullying of the couple to sell their casino seems less credible. The husband becoming a murderer also seems a stretch.

I feel bad for them because everything the family does just creates more problems. And when they finally find a solution, it turns out they could’ve avoided all those problems in the first place.

For example, when they took money from Sam—if they had just done that from the start instead of going with the church idea, they wouldn’t have gotten involved with the Snells and could’ve kept a clean $8 million. Another case is when the family tried to flee because they were afraid of the Snells. That led to killing Garcia, which brought Del into the picture, and then the Snells killed Del. But in the end, Marty ended up partnering with the Snells anyway. What if Marty had tried to partner with them from the start? The family wouldn’t have tried to flee, and as a result, everyone would still be alive.

This is what I understand might be missing some links. Let me know what you think.

Why did Wendy seem so upset when Camila found out Ruth killed Javi? All season, she couldn’t care less about Ruth and then all of a sudden she seems more affected than Marty about Ruth impending death.

Already on chapter 5 and for some reason this series got me nervous all the time, besides that I'm in love with Julia Garner.

If doesn't, kind of ending I'm getting in Season 1? Is it like open ending or cliffhanger type

The ending was not great, it feels realistic which i’ll give it props for. The ending felt empty if you get me? No conclusion, no hinting at a conclusion, killed off probably the best character who kept the show going in the last 15 minutes of the final ep. I get it she dug her grave by killing two cartel members but c’mon. I wanted one of the Byrds to die so Marty could finally get his hands dirty. Jonah killing Mel felt bizarre. I know the director said he didn’t want to drag it out too long but it 100% needed a 5th season. It’s not the worst ending of a TV show but it’s up there with the Sopranos for sure.

I can’t be the only one who thinks that Ruth is insufferable. From the jump she is so entitled and even when Marty provides her with almost anything she wants she still get greedy towards the end. When Ruth and Rachel took over the casino it made me so mad because even tho they helped a bit..Marty and Wendy did all of the heavy lifting to get the job done. When she died it was well deserved

Honestly I’m pretty satisfied. I see there’s alot of discourse about the ending I thought it was a fitting conclusion. Firstly it seemed Ruth’s death was inevitable. One thing this show has always shown is that karma will always come and find you. Javi killing Wyatt and Darlene was punished as was ruth killing Javi. I’m not sure that Ruth deserved better? I see that sentiment a lot, I definitely feel bad for her, but at some point she’s responsible for the mess she’s in, and she made choices and she faced consequences. Some say the bryds got away with it and I really don’t feel that way. Yes they are still alive, but they’ve lost so many people around them, and it’s clear by the ending that they will never get out of this life, they will forever live as criminals who are running from their past. Yes they are a family but they are all murderers whether it be justified or not, their lives will never go back to being normal.

Jonah is mad about his mom “killing ben” (which she didnt) so he decides to go work with ruth the one who is more responsible for his death and tried to kill his dad and killed her family and darlene who shaved him bald and killed her husband and multiple people by spiking drugs. Ben was dead the minute he went to helen’s house and while wendy should’ve send him home shes still not totally responsible for his death Not to mention him giving ruth ben’s ashes makes NO sense she knew him for TWO months ?

Do you prefer the color grading and cinematography of seasons 1&2 or seasons 3&4?

Marty & Ruth’s relationship was one of the best parts about the series for me, and it was really sad to watch how it all falls apart by the end.

I do believe that Marty genuinely cared about Ruth and did view her as family, but he failed to give her the emotional support she needed. He does give her this after she killed her uncles to save him, but he wasn’t consistent with it as much as he probably should’ve.

In a way, it kinda reminds me of the downfall of Walt & Jesse’s relationship in Breaking Bad.

The show was good in the first few seasons , got me hooked. Wendy becoming crazy and more and more evil especially in the last season was good and entertaining .

The fact that they took a literal poop on all the viewers with that god awful, horrible nonsensical ending is just a disgrace, it's a disgrace to what The show could have been. The show was decent / maybe even good or at least had its moments up until then but how does Wendy not die after everything that happened.

Tbh I thought the show was a 6-7/10 until the ending which was literal garbage. Shame on the directors and on anyone who thought it was good. I literally want my time back. 🤢

i just finished ozark and boy am i disappointed with the ending. i wanted to see a conclusion to the story. am i supposed to believe that marty and wendy just made it out safely and never have to face the consequences of their horrible decisions? there’s no satisfaction, there’s no karma. the story builds up on marty and wendy making one bad decision after another and hurting countless people in the process. marty and wendy should have been arrested or killed by the cartel in the end and jonah and charlotte should have gotten away from their insane parents. it would have been nice to see wendy not get something she wants for a change.

I’m on season 4 episode 3, what is wrong with Jonah? For so long he was the understanding of the two children, seemed very smart and seemed to understand the choices Wendy and Marty need to make. Now he’s just can’t seem to understand why Ben died, he blames his parents for making a sacrifice yet partners with Ruth who made the exact same sacrifice when she killed Wyatt’s dad😭😭😭 does he not realize it’s the same scenario? Ik he’s a kid I just don’t understand why it seems he got dumber. Can anyone who gets it explain his actions up to this point?

In season two or three when they introduced Ben as a substituting teacher and the whole class is laughing at one girl then he takes her phone, looks at it then has a bipolar meltdown. I know it's not important, but I always wanted to know what is on that phone.!!!😅😅

Just rewatched the show again and it reignited my hatred for certain characters. Does it infuriate anyone else that Ruth never knew Rachel was wearing a wire and ratting her out to agent Petty?? Everyone including Ruth blames Marty for her getting waterboarded, but that was directly Rachel's fault and it drives me CRAZY that Rachel comes back in S4 all smug and shit like they're besties and like she had absolutely no hand in fucking Ruth over. That always felt so unresolved to me and I feel like I never see anyone talk about it.

I’m on S3E9 and it’s hard to watch bens progression from leveled to off his meds to bat shit. I have a sister who is severely bipolar and in a mental hospital so i’m very familiar with this unfortunately. It’s very accurate seeing him having episodes and raging. He keeps on messing up and ruining things knowing he’s wrong and still making things worse because he thinks it’s right. Hurting innocent people and lying. it’s genuinely sad lol

Whenever it gets to Ben being let out of the psychiatric hospital and he ends up at the Snells... how did he end up leaving their farm? Why didn't anyone watch and stop him from going? Every time he winds up coming out of the taxi at the casino I'm always so mad he came out from hiding and that people let him leave that farm... They knew him leaving was a bad idea so why wasn't anyone watching him to make sure he didn't?!

At the beginning of each episode there is the O and photos that are in the shape of the Z,A, R, K which are almost always within the episode…if not always.

This is the K from Episode 10 in Season 3. Any ideas?

Sorry if this discussion is tired.

I feel like Ozarks was trying to be the next Breaking Bad. It was a good show, dgmw, but it is a far cry feom the masterpiece that BB is. What are your thoughts?