Don’t suggest something that will kill me, been there done that. Was thinking ODSMT

What are some of the differences between ODSMT and fent? Like from what I can tell they are both juat white powders. Is there a certain taste to ODSMT when smoked and could someone describe it? Or really just if someone could help me tell the difference between them if I came upon them on the street, how would I tell them apart? I am very familiar with fent. Also, does ODSMT work like tramadol where if you do tramadol while you are on more powerful opiates, the tramadol will kick your better stuff off the receptors and put you into precipitated wd's?

I'm not going into the story again, but I have severe chronic pain due to a transplant. My entire abdomen hurts every moment of every day from nerves tangled in scar tissue around the surgical site.

I have a script for hydromorphone which is dilaudid. My doctor has been all over the place and it's fucking with me and pain control. I don't take them to feel a buzz. I actually don't feel anything other than some pain relief and that's why I like it above others... I can work well without feeling loopy. I really liked the euphoric feeling it used to give me when I first was prescribed it in 2019, but I've been on it since. 2022 was my surgery. Before that, it was chronic pancreatitis and apparently liver failure that nobody caught until it was nearly too late. I have less pills than I used to so I'm hurting a lot more than normal.

I couldn't take it anymore. I use kratom from withdrawal and pain control (red Bali). It makes me feel sick though. Hate the taste too. It helps though. No, no issues with enzymes and I take draws every two weeks. I bought some 7-OH extract. One is 73% and one 76% both with 0.9% mit. A dude helped me find a reliable site for it so thanks, man. You know who you are... I don't want to call you out. It would be here today in the next hour.

So as I take this stuff, can you please break down how I should be dosing it and dosing the pills? I want to use less pills and more 7-OH if it proves to be very useful. I take roughly 15 to 20g kratom a day. I know kratom can get in the way of the full agonist binding to the receptors. I don't want to waste what pills I have until my refill in 2 weeks so I need to be smart about it. I took 8mg Dilaudid this morning which is usual. It gets me out of withdrawal from overnight and kicks the pain in the bud until around noon. How long does 7-oh stay bound? Will me taking it between doses of hydromorphone wipe my receptors? Will me taking hydromorphone, say, 4 hours after telling 7-oh ineffective?

Lastly, will this shit make me euphoric? I don't mind the feeling and like it, but I also need to be aware so if I take it while working like I would the pills or kratom, will it make me too zoney? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!

Like around the strength of actual pharma opiates? I'd like to find some middle ground between kratom and isotonitazene (1000x morphine) lol.

I just received some for the first time and after testing it to make sure it’s legit and doing a small allergy test I started doing bumps.

I read online before getting my hands on it that ODSMT so either wasted intranasally or very weak.

Now I admittedly have yet to try any other ROAs but it dosent seem to be that weak as today is my last day of taking it and it’s been three days with just a gram and I have more than half left despite catching pretty strong effects.

And it definitely isn’t just the drip giving you an oral effect because it kicks in in almost 20 minutes on average and seems to have a bit of a rush and last like half as long as the oral duration supposedly does.

As someone looking to get familiar with this stuff if anyone has any input or their own experiences with it to share please go ahead!

I wanted to be the same strength as 25% fetty so I can boof it. I’m about to run out of fetty

I have been addicted to rc opioids, kratom extracts and seeds, since 2017 and more often than not some form of tianeptine has been the chem of choice when on rcs. I was recently able to get a g of O-DSMT for $34 but can't get that price anymore. Seeing it $65 a g elsewhere. Grams of 7oh go for $80+ and have questionable purity.

With tianeptine though all forms go for about $25 and they list 2g but give you anywhere from 3-4g. My recent buy clocked in at at 4g exactly, prompting a reorder probably coming a day after i run out. Best deal I can get 7oh wise is 5 18mg tabs for $18. I would take 5 tabs that day though where with 4g tianeptine sodium I've got 2-3 days worth. O-DSMT gs last a day and a half. Tianeptines wacky dirty feeling keeps me from dosing it too much. I just have been wanting to make the best out of a bad situation.

I wish there were still vendors with AP-38 but that all seems to have dried up. I've been under a bad cloud lately. Been getting scammed then someone who used to hold me down with some pharma is drawing a line in the sand about me asking for hydros when I get sick.

Eventually thinking I'll temporarily go on rc benzos to try to get back on plain leaf kratom. Tianeptine can never be a medium to long term plan. I did manage to get some of my writing work done and ready to submit. I've been procrastinating my work so much of the time.

For 2mos 7oh seemed like a godsend but it drained my bank account more than anything else in recent memory.

Wondering if you can point me in right direction for finding a bit more, I guess id say comprehensive information etc on SR-17018? My research intentions require a reliable baseline sample whereupon I might more directly ah, examine this compound and it's secrets and treasures held within those molecular bonds. At this point I'm losing my mind stuck between high dose buperenorphine and fetty/ iso, need to be done with it all (had 6 years 'sober' on Subutex, but they bumped me way up when I started using fent for breakthrough osteoarthritis pain in my hip. And I can't get the hip replaced without clearing the drugs from my system, so am fairly desperate.) I'm almost 40 and have been doing this shit cycle of using, bottom out, rehab, relapse, jail, rehab, amazing and substantial period of success, relapse, homelessness and severe addiction for years, hospital, rehab, another amazing period of success..... you get the idea. I'm scraping along with this current relapse in that I haven't lost everything yet, and I will fucking do anything to avoid it. But Im eager to use anything I can to make this process simpler, and I am fucking over doing another stint in treatment, I've taken all the CADC classes, I know all that shit. I just need as painless a withdrawal process as possible from the fent, zenes, and subs, and think the SR can do it perhaps in combination with ibogaine af5er the fact (scrubbing the shit out of my brain parts with the SR. Or I mean, uh, writing a detailed report on the physical characteristics of the compound, it's dosing regimen, and overall cost and timeline to go from A) Degenerate Dope Fiend to B) Upstanding Citizen You'd Happily Let Fuck Your Daughter and Trust With Your Car Keys/ Credit Cards/ Gun Safe Combo. Would appreciate any assistance, open or otherwise

**YES. NO. MAYBE SO. Those are the replies I’m looking for

If i dissolve one gram of this nice solid but soft dark teal coloured fetty”down”, in a shot glass using 99.9% isopropyl alcohol. & then mixing/dissolving some raw N-Desthyl Isotonitazene (200mg) into it for an extra kapow 💥.

I noticed that the down/fetty has been working much better due to the fact that the iso in my system already has been attaching and activating my opi receptors even without me noticing. So then, just a small amount of the down is all that’s needed to activate the receptors just enough for me to feel high & on the nod

Anyone have experience or knowledge of its potency? I have a hard time trusting alleged potencies of these random nitazenes. I'm not sure how the pyrollodine ring in place of N,N-diethyl affects potency. I think that's the only difference between this and etonitazene, which is one of the more reputable zenes.

Also, what's the consensus on the N-desethyl variants? Seems to do either next to nothing or a reduction in potency vs. etonitazene.

Okay so background story myself and my spouse have been using about a g of fent a day for the past 4-5 years. Supply around me sometimes turns to shit and nothing will get us off sick cause it's all or mostly all cut. About a year ago I sourced a decent amount of meto for when we couldn't source our normal fent. However at the time we both used intranasally and that was basically impossible with the meto. It burned like a mofo and induced 30 min long sneezing fits, which are hell when already wd'ing. Well every so often we will dabble with iv and I are currently doing so.

That being said, is there anyone out there with similar experience who could weigh in on whether this will get us off ill or not? Also I am assuming the meto is damn near pure because of where it came from, so what kind of dosage should we be thinking? Don't wanna stick myself for no reason but def don't wanna die unintentionally and ive read some crazy ish about the nitazenes. Also best way to prepare for IV as I heard the solubility is fairly shitty in water. Thanks in advance!

Looking for a good itchy zene that’s euphoric and provide a good nod

Which do you think is more euphoric?

In my Voopoo argus pro, tank 4-5 ml, resistances 0.3 0.45 and 0.6 at half or three quarters open air, power 30-40-50 watts, cyclorphine, Isotonitazepyne, Spiroclorphine, N-Desethylisotonitazene and protonitazepine.

I started without toleancia (although I had already consumed opiates, I was completely clean of consumption), at the beginning at the second or third puff I fell asleep, now I have to smoke 7 or 8 to notice it.

I have tons of methadone in my stash for the day I want to retire from it all.

Edit 1: Thanks to Ilia Topuria, first Spanish UFC champion. Viva ‘el matador’ cojonesss! The king.

Edit 2: I usually mix them with snorted ketamine, very little ketamine because of respiratory depression, but I think they combine very well.

I repeat: Very low doses of ketamine, high risk of respiratory depression and death if you take high doses. Be careful.

Dosage for first time Zenes user ?

Anything decent left anymore?

Seems the ones are all out of stock , not sure what NDP is like but most have said it'd bad. Should anything new come out soon or come back ?

If I go back to pharmacutical dilaudids right now can I still feel them or is it to late? did I already fry out my opioid receptors I'd probably only done a total of 5 m30s 1 each day I was scared it'd kill me so I took it very very slow but it got to a point where I was crushing up half a pill for a line and I started noticing my face started to get really raw for some reason and I started to get these weird scabs all over my face so I quit that shit and I been sober for 2 days sick as a fucking dog, I got some dilaudids landing today can I even get high like the good old days or did I fuck myself someone please help me man, I don't know why I started zenes guys if your doing pharmacuticals and thinking of making the jump to these hardcore chemicals DO NOT. it's fun until it ain't, 5 days of doing nitazenes and I feel as sick as if I went on a 3 week binge with dilaudids, these withdrawals will kill.

“The high is so shitty” “you won’t feel shit if you use other opioids” “it doesn’t feel like an opioid” “you can’t nod on Tianeptine” “Tianeptine is extremely expensive” “kratom is much better” “codeine is stronger than tia”

I don’t know what planet y’all get your Tianeptine from but Tianeptine is on par, if not, better than a lot of opioids, at least for me.

I really believe those lies are just steering people away from Tianeptine, which is good, especially for people that don’t need to start a new problem in their lives, and the easy supply doesn’t help, but my god the gatekeeping is hilarious sometimes lol

When people come to Reddit for drug related info they should expect actual, unbiased information. I really think those people either did not use Tianeptine right, or are just biased towards Tianeptine.

What do you guys think about the bias against Tianeptine?

Hi guys,

How can occasional consumption of Isotonitazepyne affect your tolerance? I am a user of pharmaceutical oxycodone, 400/500mg/24hr. Some days like a cheat i take higher dosages or pharma fentanyl 30mg.

I mean consuming 15mg of Isotonitazepyne once or twice in a day and then stopping for a week or two.

Last time it was 25mg but I lost a lot smoking it.

I order SR-17018 for tolerance reduction, i will try next week and will report with the results. I will reduce my actual dosages for prevent overdosage.

im taking around 20-25 gram per day of kratom since 7 days. now im planning to take odsmt 200mg. how long should i wait after the last kratom dose so it wont block the odsmt

Hey ive always wanted to try opioids and i was wondering which of the following are the safest and most euphoric for someone with no tolerance:

• Protonitazepyne

• o-DSMT

• N-Desethylisotonitazene

• Metonitazepyne

• Isotonitazepyne

• IC-26 Methiodone

• Cychlorphine

• Protonitazepyne

I've been on dilaudids for roughly 9 months before this and I don't know how you guys use this daily because the withdrawals have just made mine from horrible to a little unlivable man, I'm getting off this RC opioid shit and going back to pharma opioids even if I can't afford them it's much better then this shit, It feels so fucking good but the effects its giving me is fucked, cheers guys I really hope some of you guys can get off this shit too this shit is the devil and I've seen RC benzos take me and make me do stupid shit and completely ruin me and my life so fast, I'm not gonna give zenes the chance.

Has anyone tried combining tianeptine and a low dose benzo? What does it feel like? Is it like a regular pain med that you mix with benzos?

I have to take 100mg of O-DSMT rectally to stop withdrawals.

Tomorrow I'm getting 1g Methiodone. Should I take it oral or boof it and how much would I have to take to keep withdrawals away?

I'm sick for 10. Days. Nothing helps but iso or cychlorphine I wish I would've known about the weird ways of that drug

Anyone took iso or any other zene orally? What’s the bioavailability for oral use for zenes? I don’t plan to IV or smoke any time soon so oral is my preferred ROA

So I know nothing of this stuff. I'm from the streets , I don't mess with darkweb or source anything online . I am done with drugs myself but I like to learn about the online culture side since I was a different side of things . Anyway, I hear people talk about this xylazine nonstop. They hit something that is bad, oh it's got effin tranq innit. (As if the good stuff doesnt have it too, if it is that widespread as they make it out to be)

Does it have a taste? Smell ? What's it's look like ? White powder ? Does it give the fetty a distinct taste? Let's say every bad crap you had tested POS+ for xylazine , what makes every batch that has it the same and noticeably tranqued ? I feel like Ashton is gonna pop out of a tire on the Pacific coast highway and be like "you've been tranqued!!"

Anyway I'm just curious. Sorry y'all have to deal with it. I quit the game right before this . Fact a nursedoctor in jail told me about it and said since I did fentanyl that I have a blood pressure disorder caused by the xylazine they put in the dope I used.(Which he states is a monkey tranquilizer) .

Which led me to believe he was some kinda top dog to have that kinda factual knowledge so of course I believed him and started asking and telling everyone that "dem dayum messickans izputtin monkey tranquilizer inner dope,even thuh we didunt feckin ask ferrit, whyzat??"
"Noweye gots dis dayum monkey blood disease, and theys all laffinetme "

So yes I'm pretty curious still about it. Since apparently i got monkeypox from something someone's putting in perfectly good product, that isn't being wanted or asked for , just for the uh fun of it I guess ? Sounds like a waste of time and money to me and we all know how much they like to waste time and money.

I mean do people really believe a drug cartel making a batch of dope the same way everytime , decides to stop what their doing, seek out , buy, and add some weird chemical to the dope, changing the formula they taught a bunch a people how to do , costing time and money , all for people to complain about ?

I mean the cost of xylazine is the same as fentanyl, why put it in if no one asked for it..... The cuts and additives cost more then the dope itself . Before you say someone had to have asked for it. No , no they didn't. Some white boy pressing his own blues here in the usa decided to do that shit. That's who always does this type of shit.

(Edited to clean up paragraphs)

I hope this doesn't fall under drug identification request, cause that's not what I'm going for here.. I'm just purely curious what makes everyone know that it's in their crap , unless everyone has xylazine testers and if that's the case , then my question is answered.

I have a high tolerance and go through a g of good fet in about 2 days. so I guess my question is.. out of all the rc opiates, which is the best? Best euphoria/legs/overall? I have pass a drug test in a few months and need to switch to RC. So which should I choose?

I have tried proto,meto, etomethazene and ODSMT (dont feel it at all) and thought proto was the best. But I know there are new different kinds now so which is the best? And why?

Just as the title states.

Looking for something that isn’t caustic, euphoric, and has the most legs.

Was looking into Cychlorphine as I have read good things about it, but some are saying otherwise.

Any personal experience would be much appreciated.