Not sure if an insight per se, but some visualization of what a dream looks like from the outside; outside of space-time (or the illusion of it). So we have this mind/imagination, with infinite potential. It is knowing itself (knowing = noun). Wholeness. Love/peace/joy/happiness are expressions of it, as they are expressions of wholeness (think about it - love/peace/joy/happiness are not expressions of lack).

So, we've got this knowing/mind/Presence that exists nowhere, no place, no time. It has no dimensions; it's just an abstract massless/dimensionless/infinite/indivisible presence. Where, place, and time, appear in it (but those are concepts anyway). Everything appearing at all appears within it. (Thoughts are appearances, too.) It is nameless, yet we name it God. (Yet again, by naming it, we objectify it; imply it external to ourselves/This.)

And this presence has a dream. Infinite potential; it can dream itself as anything; the dream can take any possible shape/form.

So any awareness - of anything - any consciousness - is That dreaming. Yet, as in any dream, the dreamer is the entirety of it; there is no part that is not the dreamer. But, since the dreamer is the entirety of it, whatever they conclude is true (if the dreamer has dreamt up the ability to "conclude truth") will appear as true. Time can only be an illusion, space can only be an illusion, distance, difficulty, identity, et al: every single piece of the dream is an illusion. The dreamer - consciousness - is unlimited.

That means - any method to "do" anything is a placebo. Any belief is arbitrary. Beliefs about belief are arbitrary. Beliefs are concepts within the dream, nothing more. They give structure to that which has no structure. Everything is happening - automatically - to reflect the world that exists "within the mind" of the dreamer. What they know.

If one thinks they need to figure out "how," they have the experience/thoughts of that. If they think they don't, they have the experience of that. If they think they're being blocked, they are. If they don't, they aren't. If they believe external forces have an impact, they do. If they don't, they don't. If they think something about "another person," it seems/appears true. If they think something else, that seems/appears true. If they think their health/healing is based on external factors, it appears that way. If they believe their health is a given / divine right, it is. If they think they are forgetful, they seem forgetful. If they think they have a good memory, they have a good memory. If their joy or happiness is conditional on some external experience or object being received, it is. If they think it's not, it's not. If we think we have to imagine perfectly to achieve xyz, then we do. If we don't, we don't. If we think the past is fixed and can't be changed, it appears that way. If we don't, it is changeable. If we believe what we read or hear, then what we read or hear seems true; is experienced as true. If we don't believe what we read or hear, then it doesn't. If we think we're royal, we are. If we think we're not, we're not. If we think things should be delivered with a red carpet on a silver platter, they will be. If we think that's impossible and we need to go get them, it will be like that.

"Out there" is a reflection, because it reflects what's going on "in here." What I have "in here" - of which only I am the cause - appears "out there." Whatever I want in here - I appear not to have out there. Although, in truth there is no "out there;" it is all within Me; it is all Me; My projection/reflection. (If the definition of "I" is mistakenly associated with the body/identity, then this will seem difficult to reconcile. But "I" Am Everything; My Imagination.)

And if the dreamer - God/Presence - dreams a dream where they aren't aware of their true identity as the dreamer (i.e. they enter the dream blank, are conditioned, then identify with what they've been told they are / the dream is), then they're asleep to the fact of dreaming. And all the evidence will be provided in terms of experience and thoughts, because they can only experience their concept of themselves / of "what is" - according to them. The contents of their consciousness.

And just like a dream at night, by not knowing it's a dream (for whatever reason), the consciousness dreaming the dream listens to the dream as if it's true. Even though they're never Knowing anything other than themselves at that moment. They have the experience of seeking in the world they unknowingly create - a world that is them - based on rules that they are making up, that are self-reinforcing if they don't know it.

The very activity of dreaming itself is imagining. Although it is a "direct imagining," where the imagined becomes experienced. This - "You" "reading this" - right now - Is Imagining. You are imagining yourself as a human, with a past, in a body, in the year 2022, on a planet called Earth, reading words in English on a screen (and all the other details/thoughts being experienced this moment). All of This Is Your imagination. Although not in the way that is "colloquially defined." The "human definition" of imagining is creating essentially pictures or scenarios in the mind that aren't "real," or only experienced mentally, not physically. So that would almost be like "pretend imagining." Imagining without the belief that the imagining is anything, or has an effect on anything.

In a dream, the dream is being dreamt; imagined, somehow. And, when becoming lucid, the dream becomes responsive to the thoughts/imagination of the dreamer. Suddenly, the thoughts/imagination of the dream are intuitively understood to be on the same level as the dream itself - even though they were the entire time anyway. Not differing levels, as is commonly thought of in 'this world.' When becoming lucid, all meaning and sense of separation from the dream content evaporates. So, the prior thought content (believed [imagined] character, separation, other people, situations, environment) no longer has validity, meaning, substance, or history, because it was based on false premises. It no longer arises.

"This world" is "taking place" inside of Me, as Me. Just like in a dream; the dream takes place inside the dreamer, even though it looks the opposite. And like a dream, different materials feel different; there are liquids, there are solids, there is air if you think there is. Yet, all of those sensations are just dream-stuff. Vibrations, if you want to call them that.

As the dreamer, there is no "how." Even in a night-time dream, as the dream avatar/character, they don't experience the entirety of everything via their senses; their view is limited. Yet, their imagination is not. Whatever is considered "done" in imagination is done/experienced physically. "How" it's done is a question only an asleep dreamer (i.e. not realizing they're dreaming) would think they need an answer to. "Because I, the dreamer, said so" is the how. The details, irrelevant, are automatically taken care of.

(To reiterate: the dreamer/imaginer isn't the character. We'll call the character "Bob." Bob cannot imagine. A fictional entity cannot do anything. The dreamer imagines a "Bob," and then imagines within the "Bob" framework. It's always the dreamer imagining, never Bob. The only limitations the dreamer can appear to have are the ones they believe Bob to have if they believe they are Bob.)

Imagining, in this sense, is just visiting another truly existing experience (existing because of infinite potential contained within the timeless indivisible eternal awareness that is Now). So if that experience isn't "present" now, it still is very much "real," just being visited or decided upon in mind (with as much or as little detail as preferred; it'll all be filled in regardless). This is actually how this experience is navigated anyway, even while non-lucid (notice how thoughts predict/anticipate. Those thoughts are imagination. They are imagining. Imagining happens "inside." The results? Outside). It's just that while unaware, there are rules that are believed that narrow the band of experience. Lucid, there are none.

So My imagination and God's imagination are the same One. Indivisible. But if God thinks His imagination is only the imagination of a limited, separated human in a world unaffected by it, then God gets to experience that!

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In other words, by shifting the vibration of your consciousness, you bring yourself into a different version or experience of possible life.

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Metaphysical information is received by the unconscious, the subconscious, the soul, and finally the conscious mind. Only then is it brought into physical existence. This is how any innovation is brought to life, be it a new genre of music, a work of art; anything that a person could not have seen or understood directly.

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Hi long time no see. anyway i had an interesting dream this morning where within the dream i had referenced and was aware of a previous dream that night. What was interesting though was that within this dream i thought i was awake and the earlier dream was the actual dream world, not realizing i was still dreaming.

This got me thinking, why not look at the waking dream in this way as just another dream within the nighttime cycle of dreams? instead of looking at reality in a waking / sleeping dichotomy its interesting to think of it as a bead on a necklace among multiple other beads

I googled something about solipsism, and in the thread I was reading on /r/occult , all of the people I used to discuss with on this sub years ago, had all somehow replied to that thread. It was both synchronistic and nostalgic. This place used to be like Plato's Academy but for the dream of life. And to find all those people gathered in a random thread I googled on the occult sub, felt like remembering an old and wonderful dream. Like Dorothy waking up, and going "and you were there, and you were there!"

I invite the likes of /u/Nefandi , /u/Triumphantgeorge , /u/ave_santana , /u/aesiranatman , /u/scew , and /u/cosmicprankster420 to give us an update on their learning.

I also invite any one of you who read this to post something, a question, an insight, a problem, a dilemma, an observation. Whatever you feel is relevant to us.

I'll share where I'm at: Finally surrendering to the fact I'm not separate from you all. I'm dropping off my narratives like onion-layers to detect through felt-presence what is happening, who I am, beyond conceptualization. I am sitting with the pain of abandoning myself, which I project upon others. I am learning not to abandon myself, to be a spiritual hero, would be a way to say it I just came up with, which means: No matter how painful, I remain present with myself. I exist outside conceptualization, free from the mental prison I constructed to keep a puppet-version of myself safe.

Blessings to all of you on your journey to reconnecting with yourselves.

I'm reading The Power of Now and have found it extremely helpful up until he talks about the Inner Body.

Now, I've gotta explain. I don't understand a lot of these fancy terms he uses. Frequency? Energy? Energy Field? Formless? Light? Vibration? Etc. So reading this book has been extremely difficult. I beg of you to employ very simple, basic, grey, not-image-inducing, direct language. Otherwise I will not be able to follow. It will be like reading a foreign language I've never heard of.

Basically every recommendation on how to become aware of this Inner Body is actually promoting awareness of the physical body. He even says that one may feel tingles in their foot but that's just the physical body. I can feel the clothes on my skin. I can feel my heart beat. I can feel my body heat. All of these are of the physical body. Anything I can feel will be due to nerves and nerves are physical. So how do I come to know the inner body?

Also, how can the inner body be both formelss and inner? It's form ends at the moment the "outer" appears. There is a border. So it may look something more like a ray than a line. But there is still form. Unless you can notice your inner body on the opposite end of the room. In which case, it's no longer "inner"

A part of the book that was very helpful to me was when he brought up vision as an indicator of being in the Now. As I focus on this moment my vision becomes more vibrant. However, I'm not sure if I'm actually being present or not when I do this because he stresses using the physical body ad a way to the inner body and he says abiding in the inner body is crucial for being Present.

Am I only present in my vision? What's going on? I'm so confused.

Let this be a Vibrational Reminder.

“All the darkness in the world cannot extinguish the light from a single candle.”

Like the candle, we are the light in this world of darkness.

We will not diminish.

We will not be extinguished.

We shine out the dark.

We are the Light of this World.

No darkness can extinguish yOUR light.

With too much light, one is blinded.

With too much darkness, one is unable to see.

Through balance and harmony of both light and darkness, one is able to see with perfect clarity.

We are the Balance (I AM).

Inside out always for we are all ways.

One Love

Does anyone want to discuss current strategies? I'll go first. Mine is 1. Letting go of logic - I felt like my thought patterns were too based in materialism, so I am trying to stop that. Magic isn't logical and that is specifically what I am looking for, for results and also entertainment value. 2. Letting go of meaning - this one is huge for me. I felt like overwhelming meaning and story lines were bogging me down. I have to stay on top of this one a lot. If something happens that I don't like "this has no meaning to me" and I forget about it. 3. Being completely in the moment - I used to spend a lot of my time thinking, overthinking sheesh. I thought the world in my head was more entertaining and fulfilling. I guess it can be, but if I want to see real magic, it must happen in this moment.

Since I have started being more mindful, synchronicities and dream recall have increased dramatically. For instance, I had a tingling in my lip and I thought to myself "wow that is a new sensation". New Sensation came on the radio 5 minutes later. Also with dreaming, there was also a sense of knowing some background information on the dream upon awakening, but since letting go of meaning, I can only tell what is happening by the actions in the dream. I was going through portals to other dimensions, but there was no other information than that is what I saw when I got through it.

I love the idea of oneirosophy and if anyone wants to discuss this, please don't hesitate to contact me. Although I am just a novice, I practice 24/7.

This subreddit seems perfect for me, but it's a shame that it's pretty quiet. Is there another community that has more activity? Reddit, discord, FB or anywhere?

In this exercise, you lie down and let go and think of nothing, letting your entire body relax. Supposedly after 10-15 minutes you decide to get up and a little while later your body will get up by itself. Completely autonomous movement, as if your body is being controlled by someone else. People claim that it is a profound experience. Allegedly you can allow your body to move around like this for the rest of the day, for the rest of your life in fact.

I've tried the exercise on and off for years and still not had any success in it, not even a measly hand movement. So I searched around for success stories and found several stories where people got it on their first try or after a couple tries. At least 5 success stories I saw. So you can imagine I was pissed that some people could get it so easily yet my ass be doing it on and off for years and still nothing. like wtf lol

So has anyone here had any experience with it? What was it like?

I've become fully serious about it, I'm on attempt 7 of trying it every night. I plan to get to 100 days of doing it everyday. If I still get no success I will go up to 500 consecutive days/attempts. I will do 1000 if I have to. Heck I will do 10000 if that's what it takes. I will make a post here if I have any major success.

Here is the exercise

If you haven't tried it, give it a go and comment what you experienced.

the other day i was thinking about the idea of dream logic and how it actually does play out in the "waking" world. although all of existence is essentially dream like, the only difference between these two modes is perceptual. In the dreamworld everything seems random because each individual dream in that moment is kind of its own vignette.

For example lets say you are having a dream where you are walking down the street and all of a sudden you encounter a bunch of circus clowns with an elephant. In the dream you will either become lucid because this is normally something that doesn't happen or your mind will kind of create some false memory like "oh yeah the circus is in town this Saturday". The former realization indicates that this is a dream where as the latter creates the false impression that you are in a waking world.

Now if you see a bunch of clowns in the waking world as weird and out of place as it seems your mind will only accept a rational explanation like oh there is a carnival in town this weekend. We are taught that in the waking world things don't follow dream logic rather they follow logic based on cause and effect relationships. For example the mailman going to your doorstep isnt random because you know you live in a universe where mail is supposed to be delivered every day. But if you somehow convinced yourself that your house / apartment is all that exists in the universe and there is nothing else outside of it a mail man coming to your door would in fact be perceived as random.

The point is the reason dreams seem random is because you are typically only focused on whats in your immediate environment and have no context to anything outside of it. Like you may dream you are at a beach, but you may not being thinking about how that beach is near a larger ocean or that it is next to a large town.

But perhaps in a dreamstate you do realize this beach is part of some larger world that is outside of your immediate experience. Then you would see it has a kind of cause and effect type logic like in the waking world. Conversely if you only focus on the immediate moment in the waking world things appear to operate more on the basis of dream logic.

The point is that both of these aspects of logic exist in both the waking and dreaming world, two sides of the coin. There is dream logic in the waking world (and example of this would be synchronicity) along with cause and effect logic and there is cause and effect logic in the dream world along with dream logic.

I think dream logic would be an interesting topic to explore.

I think this sub is too cool to die, I came here on a random Monday and it seems 10 other people are here with fingers crossed too. Let's bring it back out of the unconscious shall we?

We're here to explore the dream-like nature of reality. It's a very mesmerizing place. I find myself drawn to it, which is nice. It's like a very well made game. There is endless content, and if that's what you're after, you'll find that it's inexhaustible. But what about us? Who are we? Just another strand of dream fabric?

My exploration has led me to distinguish between dream and dreamer. Maybe they are the same thing, but at the very least, I am exploring an aspect that is very much integral to it all, consciousness.

The fundamental most blissful exciting thing actually isn't any particular dream content. As cool as it would be to live in a floating crystal castle with an ethereal waterful, and a friend who is a unicorn that you smoke joints with, and discuss philosophy while blowing bubbles, there is something innately disatisfying about any particular dream content on its own. No image can satisfy the observer permanently, and if you try to find satisfaction through the dream, you'll be indefinitely dissatisfied.

The Self behind the dream, who is that? I know, you've been asked this many times, but until you're satisfied fully, you know you haven't found them. That's the barometer. Most of us have glimpsed, and sometimes we get lucky that the dream is just so wonderful that we become totally present for a moment. Music can be like that. But you don't need to go chasing dragons, whether they be music or drugs, to live in that state all the time.

How do you find yourself? There is a book attributed to an Indian mystic named Shankara, which is quite helpful. There are many helpful books, but they all come down to finding yourself. I'll give you my twofold method.

First, be devoted fully to this pursuit above all else. Like anything in life, if you aren't devoted fully, you won't achieve the same results. If in the back of your mind you're only trying to find yourself so that you can rule the dream, then your real intention will be your orientation, you'll move in the direction of control, not self-discovery.

2. Make the discernment between these four things, and by process of elimination reach the self: Body, Mind, Intellect, Self.

You're all a leg up if you view the world as a dream or dream-like, because it's easy to let go of the Self being the body. The mind as well, easy to let go of all these thoughts being you, because you can see how they each come and go. The trickiest, I have found, is to let go of the intellect being the Self. Why? Because the intellect is the closest to the Self of the three. The intellect controls the rest. It's through the intellect we interact with the body and mind, and try to better our life, solving problems. It is the tool of the Self to organize the dream.

Think of it like so: The Self uses an instrument to create music. The instrument is the intellect. It's easy to get confused and think the instrument is making the music. But without the Self, no music is being played. The Self could always find a new instrument, but without a Self, the instrument cannot play itself. You're the player of the intellect.

in this episode i talk with host comrade about some oneirosophy and other tagentially related stuff.

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Everyone knows that your reality is entirely a construction of your mind. This includes not only your lived world of experience, but also what you describe as "no, I mean the real reality outside my mind."

So what are things like before the mind fabricates this construction? This question can be answered experientially, it turns out.

"Out there," there are no trees or brains. You would not even say that there are things "like" trees or brains, for the same reason that a dream's contents are not really "like" the psyche they arise from, or how an app is not "like" the code that gave rise to it. Even trying to put pieces of the app into simple correspondence with pieces of code reflects a deep misunderstanding.

Having even once been there, you will no longer say funny things like "reality is a construction of my brain." This confuses levels of reality, but in addition to being logically inconsistent, one can directly see the fundamental confusion that inspires such statements. They are fine as conventional statements, but one sees beyond mere convention.

It is the puncturing of this illusion that leads to awakening.

In Buddhism there is a lot of imagery and references to the material world as 'dream-like'. The emptiness of all phenomena extends to our perceptions, including the illusion of self which is quite an emphatic doctrine in Buddhist philosophy.

After browsing this sub for a while I have come to notice many similar ideas expressed here in parallel to the insight I have learned in my 3 years as a Buddhist.

Are these two philosophies essentially describing the same thing? That which is outside of all conception. The ultimate truth of reality.

So lately I have been fascinated by the idea of maps of dream worlds. Was recently reading dream quest of unknown kadath by hp lovecraft which is a story that takes place in a world you have to enter in ones dreams by descending a stair case that leads into an enchanted forest. The whole story is about Randolph Carter trying to climb to the top of unknown kadath to see the mysteries of what is outside the human dream world into dream worlds beyond.

I think in oneirosophy we are going on a kind of similar journey. We want to find a sense of freedom within our own minds and imagination but our imagination has been territorialized by school, politics, culture, religion and peers. I've been playing with this thought experiment that every belief system is like some country or territory in a kind of dream world or fairy tale land. In the same way countries of old tried to conquer and expand there empire on earth, so too ideologies and religions try to expand and conquer territory in the dream world.

So to refer to my title of what Jehovas labyrinth means, whether you are for or against Abrahamic faiths you cant deny that these belief systems have had a tremendous influence in shaping our human dream world. Think about all of the stories and films that perpetuate this mythology (example using crosses and holy water in films to defeat vampires). So I like to visualize these belief systems as a kind of country or land with walls around all of its borders and outside of those walls are strategically placed demons and monsters to scare those who may want to escape.

So beyond the walls of the city of Abraham you have all the other religious faiths and other ideologies. Try to think of all of this as the map of some kind of world and your goal like in dream quest of unknown kadath is to see what happens when you go outside of the borders and into unknown dream space.

This thought experiment has given me a lot of perspective on the human imagination as well as my own mind. Its also important because in this outer imagination as I like to call it, you have the potential to create what you want in terms of understanding your own self without feeling like it has to fit in a world that wasn't really yours to begin with.

It seems that over the years here, much talk has been written on the topic of lucidity as a means to have freedom, to become like a god, essentially. What I have noticed is a lack of searching for any inherent meaning to "the dream." I propose, queue chirping disney birds, and Bambi comes up and licks you, that love is the meaning.

I'm sure we've all heard that before, but I offer a practical application for the statement. I propose that love and lucidity are inexorably linked, that true lucidity can easily be achieved by finding eternal love. No, I'm not speaking about finding a member of the opposite sex to project this upon. Rather, if you can direct love at your original self, The dreamer, you complete the cycle, the feedback loop that was an eternity in the making. Who is this original dreamer? I think you find them through love. It is a little bit like "Sleeping Beauty," but with less fluff, and more archetypal. The original dreamer is slumbering, and you are in their dream, but by loving them, this aphrodisiac of consciousness awakens them, and they become able to connect with you.

It's a hypothesis I have experimented with and found great results with. The reason I post this, is the other day I hurt my back, and after trying numerous stretches, it continued to be in pain. It felt like I misaligned my spine! I went onto my yoga mat and thought about I haven't been authentic about my devotion to God (not as a concept, as a being, the original dreamer), and I asked in my head, if I were to be more honest with others about this devotion I have, if They would heal my back. I sat up, and I shit you not my back was totally fine. The pain had completely lifted instantaneously. So I propose devotion to the original dreamer as the easiest method of lucidity.

So I have kind of gone off in a different direction from oneirosophy since I created this sub, but lately I have been revisiting some of my old ideas. I notice hanging out with other spiritual seekers that its common for people to fall into psychosis and kind of lose there minds. I used to think lucidity was psychosis, but actually its very different. Think of it this way, the schizophrenic sees the world as a dream, but a non lucid one. Not one where he or she feels a degree of control or has a sense of how to navigate through the madness.

I used to think oneirosophy was merely a tool to deprogram materialist beliefs, but now I also see the function of it as being a kind of flashlight when dealing with experiences of intense spiritual awakening. thoughts?

Last post a mod removed a very long and helpful list someone provided but I hadn't got a chance to go through it.

I'm just trying to make a multireddit for this sort of stuff

Before I begin, I’d like to remind everyone of /u/cosmicprankster420’s warning and advice -- if you haven’t read it, or even if you haven’t read it in a while, I implore you to before continuing. Additionally, I do not claim to be an expert on any of the subjects I’m discussing. This post is merely my dwelling on a thought that recently crossed my mind.

One of the main points of Neville Goddard, one of the giants of my philosophy, is that imagining creates reality[1]. Indeed, this is one of the main consequences of my theory - since our subjective gambles and beliefs are the probabilities of those things happening, then by imagining an event and, very importantly, persisting in imagining that event, we train ourselves to assign a higher chance of that event occurring. Given enough time and effort, it becomes practically inevitable that the thing we are imagining will occur. Naturally, there also exist shortcuts in the mind; I believe it is by making use of these shortcuts that “dimensional jumping” is possible.

I was studying Goddard in the context of my theory when the thought occurred to me: instead of trying to make an imagined scene take on the ‘tones of reality’ as Goddard puts it, why don’t we do the opposite? Why don’t we make our current experience take on the tones of unreality? What would that even feel like? Then I realized: it would feel like lucidity in a dream. Which is one of the core ideas of Oneirosophy.

Let me back up a little bit. According to George Berkeley[2], our senses and the ‘objects’ they perceive exist only within the mind. It is quite an interesting departure from other philosophical ideas; most philosophies posit some kind of ‘external world’ beyond the senses. But, as this is Oneirosophy, let’s assume Berkeley is right. This means that everything we experience is purely in the mind -- it’s entirely imagined. But why can’t we just imagine anything we want and have it instantly become our reality? Because we’ve focused our attention on a very specific imagined setting -- this so-called ‘objective material reality’. The longer we focus on it, the harder it becomes to experience any other imagined setting (thanks to a process called Solomonoff induction[3]). It’s as if we’ve built a wall around ourselves in the imaginary landscape, confining our experience to the tiny area within.

To explore the infinite world beyond, we must first tear those walls down. I think this can be accomplished by doing what I call an ‘inversion’ of Goddard’s method -- instead of instilling an imaginary scene with a sense of realism, we instill our everyday conscious experience with a sense of unrealism -- of lucidity. While this may seem obvious, seeing as this is the main point of Oneirosophy, I hope this serves as a useful summary, or at least a launchpoint for further discussion and exploration of ideas.

Sources:

[1] Goddard, Neville (1961). The Law & the Promise. G&J Publishing Co, Los Angeles, CA.

[2] Berkeley, George (1713). Three Dialogues between Hylas and Philonous in opposition to Sceptics and Atheists. Accessed 3/28/19.

[3] Müller, Markus P. Law without law: from observer states to physics via algorithmic information theory. arXiv:1712.01826v2 [quant-ph]

I am somewhat grasping the concept of the word and Im familiar with dimensional shifting however I'm having a hard time grasping the word oneirosophy itself. Where did the word come from and what is the definition?

The only thing you experience directly is your thought , world is secondary ,hence created by thought

Recently I've seen a lot of posts here about sub-conscious this and sub-conscious that. In my opinion sub-conscious is just a product of the physical brain, a computer, it has no control over reality at all. It's just a computer. Conscious mind is just a part of the sub-conscious mind made conscious. The common thought arises from the brain, it has no effect on the reality. So many sub-conscious things can be made conscious, so many conscious things can be made sub-conscious. A conscious thought is just a sub-conscious thought under close examination of the spirit.

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So if thought has no effect on reality why does changing thoughts produce changes in reality? Because that's only how you see it subjectively. Objectively you first change the universe and the brain follows which changes thought. I could say you change your energy of the body and the universe first and thought follows the changes. It's like moving, you move by changing the energy dynamics, just as you think differently by changing energy dynamics. So changing thoughts is a by-product not the cause of changing your lens on the spectrum of realities.

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So when you move, think or perceive you already change the world all the time, in small ways.

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When we are awake, we know that we are due to internal and "external" factors. First off, our mind is at a heightened state of awareness, as we can logically reason about many complex ideas. Additionally, we "feel" that our environment is stable. Everything is as we remember it, in that we have an innate understanding that we are living in the world we've always know. On top of this, we have certain tests that we can conduct on our environment. These tests can be similar to those tests that lucid dreamers use, known as reality checks. For example, if we look at a clock, look away, and then look back we know that the time will either be the same or be different by one minute. Yet when we are dreaming, the clock will often show vastly different results each time that we look at it.

But what if we have it all wrong? What if our dreams are a more true reality than the physical? Think about it. When we are awake we are very limited by the world around us. There are rules that we must follow. It's almost like we're trapped in a certain state of existence. Yet when we're dreaming we become free; anything is possible. And the more we dream lucidly, the more stable our dream environment becomes. Eventually one can lucid dream so much that one can begin to blur the boundaries between one's dreams and reality. The more powerful a dreamer becomes, the more "real" their dreams seem to be. Some can even experience dreams that "feel" more real than reality itself.

When we dream we have the power to control everything with our minds. Does this not seem like the most powerful state of awareness anyone can be in? The ancient stories of enlightened thinkers discuss beings who can manipulate physical reality with their thoughts. For example, Jesus of Nazareth was said to have brought someone back from the dead, cured the terminally ill, and gave a blind man the gift of sight. Whether you believe that these events actually occurred, or if they are possible is beyond the point. What matters here is the fact that someone capable of these acts would be considered to exist within a higher state of existence.

When we dream, we exist within this higher state of existence. We are not bound by the laws of physics. We can fly, teleport, shape shift, manifest anything instantly, we're virtually limitless. We can still hear, taste, and touch. We can see and smell. We become untethered.

I once had a dream of myself just standing in the street. I was across from the home I grew up in. The crazy part is, everything was indistinguishable from my waking state. One moment I was lying in bed, eyes closed, everything black. The next, it felt as if my eyes were immediately opened. I could see the grass and the road. The mailboxes, the sky, the clouds; all from the point of view of … myself. I looked down and saw my palms. I turned them up and down to acknowledge I was truly there. And then I woke up. Back into the darkness.

Dreams are often not realized to be such until we awaken. But what if physical reality constitutes the real dream? We wouldn't know it until we wake up. Yet oftentimes when we sleep, we are not conscious. What if this is by design? We're not meant to be conscious when we dream because then we would wake up. We would realize that this physical reality is a construct build around us, not our true reality. We would realize that this world is more like a game than anything else. That the limitations around us are simply obstacles to be surpassed. That we play this game with ourselves because there's nothing else to do but to expand our consciousness, and this a means to that end. An organized, ordered world where we can think and interact in such a way that allows us to advance our understanding of the world around us.

May your dreams set you free.

I’ve been a lurker here for a bit, but unfortunately this sub has been a little inactive for a while, so I thought that I should probably stop being part of the problem and contribute something (and apologies for the formatting in advance). I’ve been developing a theory of what reality actually is for the past few months, and I’ve noticed that, in its current state, it’s strikingly similar (possibly even identical, in most aspects) to the general ideas of Oneirosophy. So here it is, but keep in mind the words of scientist and philosopher Alfred Korzybski:

“A map is not the territory it represents, but, if correct, it has a similar structure to the territory, which accounts for its usefulness” [1].

It is generally thought that there exist fundamental physical laws which operate on an objective physical spacetime. It is also thought that this “objective reality” both generates and supervenes on the conscious observer. But Markus Müller proposes that certain problems (the hard problem of consciousness, the quantum problem of “unperformed experiments have no results”, the Boltzmann brain problem, and others) that appear unsolvable from the “orthodox” view of reality can be solved if, taking a hint from noncommutative geometry, we reverse this relationship between the observer and reality -- so that what we call “objective reality” is an emergent property of the observer, not vice versa [3].

The gist of Müller’s theory is that there exist observers that traverse a countably infinite configuration space of binary strings, and that these binary strings represent experiences (that sounds oddly familiar) [3]. Where these observers go moment-by-moment is determined by an objective algorithmic probability. Here’s the example Müller gives: a bat flying through a cave would probably experience a dead end, or perhaps the cave forking off into multiple passageways, but an experience in which the bat observes a boulder of gold materializing in front of it would be highly improbable, and an experience in which the bat is actually Donald Trump on a state visit to Austria is almost completely impossible.

While the fundamentality of the observer and the infinite configuration space (or grid) of experiences very much conform to the ideas of Oneirosophy, the conflict is in the algorithmic probability. The problem is, such a probability is objective -- it exists outside of the observer. This means that Müller’s theory can explain the emergence of physical reality, but it is dependent on two assumptions -- the existence of the observers, and the existence of the objective algorithmic probability. And as Albert Einstein said:

“We can invent as many theories we like, and any one of them can be made to fit the facts. But that theory is always preferred which makes the fewest number of assumptions”[4].

Optimally, this theory would have one assumption and explain everything (or at least provide a framework for doing so). How can we make it so?

This is where Quantum Bayesianism, or more specifically, its more metaphysical extrapolation dubbed “QBism” comes in. The concept is that the probabilities of state vectors in quantum mechanics are actually subjectively assigned by the observer, in that said probabilities are actually representative of the observer’s willingness to bet on certain outcomes [5].

If we merge the two theories -- positing that the algorithmic probability in Müller’s theory is actually provided by the observer, specifically, that the probability is assigned by the observer’s willingness to bet on certain experiences (both consciously and unconsciously), then we have accomplished what we set out to do -- by just utilizing one assumption (that the observers exist as described), we can explain, or at least create a framework for explaining everything we experience.

Unsurprisingly, this end result is strikingly similar to the ideas of Oneirosophy. Also like Oneirosophy, there is room for interpretation in some areas (is there really just one observer à la solipsism, or infinitely many?). It gets interesting when we consider what an observer might be able to accomplish. By “metaprogramming” (as described by Dr. John C. Lilly [6] and others), an observer could change their conscious and unconscious “willingness to bet” on different experiences. This could result in synchronistic phenomena (as defined by Dr. Carl Jung [7]), or even discontinuous jumps to improbable experiences (which also sounds familiar).

Anyway, it’s still under heavy construction, and I’m still working out the more technical aspects of it, but I hope you fellow Oneirosophists enjoy it!

Sources:

[1] Korzybski, Alfred (1933). Science and Sanity. An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics. The International Non-Aristotelian Library Pub. Co. pp. 747–61.

[2] Müller, Markus P. Mind before matter: reversing the arrow of fundamentality. arXiv:1812.08594 [physics.hist-ph]

[3] Müller, Markus P. Law without law: from observer states to physics via algorithmic information theory. arXiv:1712.01826v2 [quant-ph]

[4] S.J. Woolf. Einstein’s Own Corner of Space. New York Times (18 Aug 1929), Sunday Magazine, 2.

[5] Fuchs, C. A., Mermin, N. D. & Schack, R. An Introduction to QBism with an Application to the Locality of Quantum Mechanics. Am. J. Phys., Vol. 82, No. 8, August 2014, 749-754. arXiv:1311.5253v1 [quant-ph]

[6] Lilly, John C. (1987) [1968, Communication Research Institute]. Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer: Theory and Experiments (Reprint ed.). Julian Press. ISBN 0-517-52757-X.

[7] Jung, C.G. (1985). Synchronicity: An Acausal Connecting Principle. London: Routledge. ISBN 978-0-415-13649-5

Hi there,

so what "superpowers" have you attained thanks to the alternative perspectives of Reality?

For example, I have a lot of success with remote viewing, and I also can put animals in trance like this guy (and like the mesmerists from the past). I also had some success with remote influencing people, although I am not keen on experimenting with that too much, because it goes against my personal moral and ethical code. I also have had telepathic episodes (staying in front of a person and seeing his/her thoughts), but I can't control that consciously yet.

My post may sound like bragging to some, and this is a possible way to look at it, but it is more so an attempt to spread the 'news' about the possibility of siddhis to other people so that humanity can start waking up to its potential. I am also sincerely interested in other people who are on their path to "superpowers".

You are a collection of many beings, all sharing the same resources. Through necessicity, you are bound together, and through love you create a common process of work, known as you. You are not your brain, body, or mind, but they are you. You are the god of your parts.

When you start to dream, the dream begins as a thought, like one you would have in the daytime. But you’re asleep, so the thought intensifies and becomes something like talk or gossip, and then the gossip intensifies or solidifies into images, and then you really think that you’re seeing people, seeing places, going places, and so on. And that is how it works with conventional appearances as well.

-- Thrangu Rinpoche

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At first when you pass into the dream state and images arise, you may not remember where they came from. Your awareness, however, will naturally develop until you will be able to see that you are dreaming. When you watch very carefully, you will be able to see the whole creation and evolution of the dream.

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Through this practice, we can see another dimension of experience, and have access to another way of knowing how experience arises. This is important, for when we know this, we can shape our lives. The images which emerge from dream awareness will intensify our waking awareness, allowing us to see more of the nature of existence.

With continuing practice, we see less and less difference between the waking and the dream state. Our experiences in waking life become more vivid and varied, the result of a lighter and more refined awareness. We are no longer bound by conventional conceptions of time, space, [force], and energy. Within this vaster perspective we may also find that the so-called supernatural feats and legends of the great yogis and masters are not myths or miracles. When the consciousness unites the various poles of experience and moves beyond the limits of conventional thought, psychic powers or abilities are actually natural.

-- Tarthang Tulku

First the joke

Space is imaginary, a hallucination. Potential is imaginary, a delusion. Inertia is negative imaginary, a stupidity.

The Schrodinger Equation is now

hbar dpsi / dt = hbar^2 / 2m d^2 psi / dx^2 + V psi

A drunken walk through a meaningless existence

Life is suffering, QED

Ok, now the truth. Assuming Idealism (mentalism), these equations are correct. However, physics, is an optimization theory. It's opposite, which is a very pessimistic theory, uses the exact same equations, but has a nonsense unstable interpretation.

The correct interpretation of the final equation is "a constantly evolving/improving motion, which can only be approximated with a random walk, in an Idealistic, mental existence".

An optimistic interpretation is

Space is imaginary, mind.

Potential is imaginary, an ideal.

But what's an optimistic interpretation of inertia being negative imaginary?

Hello guys,

If our perspectives and subconscious thoughts and beliefs over the years are molding the reality we experience in this life dream unconsciously, how is it possible to consciously program our reality without the need to repetitively program new thought patterns over older ones in our subconscious?

There are many people practicing psionics who claim that through conscious intention and focus they could achieve feats such as moving objects in space or manipulating electricity in devices immediately with telekinesis and electrokinesis. Those seem to be very direct conscious  actions, unlike biokinesis of which requires systemic programming of the subconscious over several months to achieve change (I have succeeded in this myself).

For those direct approaches to manifesting change through psionics, it almost seems like there is a possibility to induce this change by bypassing the need to train the subconscious doesnt it?

There is a lot of discussion of the subconscious being superior to the conscious due to its overarching nature, but what is the extent of what we can achieve with the conscious beyond the norm?

Hello everyone,

Has anyone ever experienced time stretching or been able to extend the sense of time by will? I notice sometimes when I get a message through time signatures its almost as if the time freezes until I look up what the message means. For instance if my battery percentage goes like 38% at 3:08 I would decipher that message "keep going" and it feels almost as if the minute is taking more than its regular while to pass.

If you are able to consciously extend time by will, do you have any tips for doing so?