/r/negotiation
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Everyone negotiates just about every day. It is so ubiquitous that you may not even realize how often you do it.
In any instance in which the future actions of individuals or groups of individuals is uncertain, there is the opportunity for negotiation.
Even if you think you are good at negotiating, you absolutely can get better. And if you're like most people you probably overestimate your abilities.
Being a better negotiator will improve your life in significant ways.
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/r/negotiation
So I'm a Nanny and I make $32/hrs. I'm only working 24 hours a week and decided I need a full time. Found a great family with younger kids so more work expected, for $30/hrs but full time. I tried to leave the part time today but they were disappointed and asked me to please wait as they are going to think of an offer overnight. They also opened the floor for any offers I might have which I told them I would think about.
Any tips? Should I keep on track and go full time? Ask for higher pay? It feels silly to ask for higher pay as it's not a difficult job. But I've made the mistake before of not leaving a job because they really wanted me to stay and ended up at a low paying place eventually having to leave anyway.
I'm not good at these awkward conversations so hoping to get some advice so I can benefit the most in this situation. TIA!
So I am trying to negotiate my starting pay rate, which I know what it is, but while I am in training program finding out others have better start rate due to different shift hours and work they will be doing, but with me this hr b**** was so uptight , she didn't offer me any other options, pay wise or work wise or hours wise, and I was in need to desperately needing a job I joined and also refered by a friend. I can leave this place but it's the experience that counts here, but also I feel I have little bit time left to still negotiate pay rate because still in training. But how to make that happen, why is she not budging, like why women can be so annoying at times, I am an adult can these places making billions of dollars not pay like adults. It's making me so mad but idk how to negotiate so I can actually get a better starting rate.
I have been working since 2023 as a fresher with a salary of 55k per month. Belonging to tier 3 college the company gives different paycheques to Tier 1,2,3. Haven’t got any increment last year. This year also people say its not sure if we will be getting any.
What to do in such cases? How to talk to my manager on this to bag a decent increment?
So I was thinking, there are business that are known to be open to negotiation and some that you can’t. For example, you can negogiate at car dealerships or for a home but not at your local convenience store (in general).
What are some businesses where there is wiggle room but very few people take advantage? Furniture stores? What made me think about this is that I recently worked for a furniture distributor that sold things to Bob’s, Ashley, Raymor & Flannigan and I would see the 200-300% markup. Is it possible to negotiate at these businesses? Where else?
Hello everyone,
I received an offer of intent for facilities manager position for a nonprofit. (pass a background check for the offer). The range of the pay is 70k-80k, salaried. The role is generally dealing with faculties maintenance and compliance of 20+ facilities in a metropolitan area. It seems that they are significantly behind on compliance as they don't know how to manage the high violation rate they currently have (previous position holder sat out for a bit till retirement or something along those lines). If you aren't familiar with compliance fines can rack up fast and start cutting into operation costs. If not resolved the city will step in resolve it and charge you quite the pretty penny (ex. putting in a $200 fire door can run close to 5k and up). However, when compiling the information from the interviews and job description I found that the level of work is more inline with a director position. As I would be dealing with compliance and facilities maintenance for a high volume of facilities, budgets, procurement, Inventory management, vendors, maintenance teams and modernizing the facilities department (they have no CMMS or current structure to monitor facilities and data, just a ticketing system). They want full on tracking, and data driven metrics to be implemented (which can honestly just be done with a CMMS). I would also be expected to preform duties of other directors (maintenance and housekeeping) in their absence.
It seems like a mess there, especially with the job description being a bit broad and I been kind of skeptical about the position. However, the experience implementing systems in this grand of a scale would set me up for future employment opportunities if i decide to leave. I also do believe in the mission of the org so there is that desire as well. So If I decide to take the position I want to be in a point where I can make the most out of it. I'm also not too sure if there is a current standing director of facilities as I only interviewed with execs, VP of facilities and the COO.
Would it be wise to negotiate for the title change and a pay with in the range of the title? My minimum pay req is 78k due to experience and current salary being 72k so higher than that would be icing, especially if pushing in director pay range (80k-90k for similar works at other nonprofits) This would be my first time working for a nonprofit and I'm not to sure if negotiations run the same as it does for the private or contract work. Are nonprofits usually unwilling to go beyond the what's listed on the posting? Should I advocate for other benefits? From what I see with open disclosure of the nonprofit their execs are paid pretty well (nothing found for directors), with a about a 7% increase every year. So there is good growth potential. Any advice would be greatly appreciated and thank you in advance.
Hey everyone, offered a job as a marketing manager in NYC. Asked for $140k, offer was $130k which I attempted to counter. They came back with a $10k sign-on with the message being the base could not be further negotiated. Is it worth it to try and get a higher sign on? This is a very large media brand that you’ve certainly heard of. Thanks for the advice.
I have a hilarious video but no socials, every one tells me it'll go viral and I 100% believe it too, what would be the best way to make some coin with this? I thought of trying a company like junkin media or keep it exclusive and contact tv shows but that would consume a lot of time and doesn't generate that passive income I hope for. Thanks for any advice!
Hello all I was excited to start my new job as I have been offered to make a salary as a safety and security specialist for 65k in New York. Now this slash is slightly below market value but they have pretty good benefits, 30 days PTO with 6 holidays, and offer some sort of google certification tuition discounts. Now I emailed and asked wary if they could reach my salary expectations and they said they had a strict budget which I under stood, but then asked if there was any additional incentives such as sign on bonus or maybe even reviewing my performance at the end of 6months. Two days later I gave it some thought and decided to sign the offer, but later the same day received an email stating I may not be a good fit as my needs are above what they are able to do.. I’m not sure my actions warranted this as I was professional with my email and was just asking questions. Are the chances that I may receive the offer again unlikely? Or did I dodge a bullet
So I just received news this morning about my companies annual reviews for raises/promotions. HR wants to give me a 15% bump from ≈$55,000 to ≈$65,000 per year for my role as an automation technician.
It’s a weird situation in the first place since I’m the only automation technician and the union made a big deal about it when the job was created. So no more technician jobs opened up in the 3 years I’ve had the role.
It’s a great pay increase but my issue is that I work ≈70 hour weeks with 1.5x and 2.0x pay on sundays, also standard plus 2.0x if I come in on holidays and they want to cut my overtime eligibility with this. Meaning I would be capped at 50 hours of pay per week max of straight 1.0x pay.
Is there any way to leverage or negotiate the numbers to keep my non-exempt status? I was thinking if negotiating is an option to ask for 10% with non-exempt status and going from there.
Any advice would be appreciated.
I want to join a gym that waives the joiner fee if you pay the entire year ahead. I don't want to pay the year upfront, but this makes me think this fee is negotiable. For somebody new to negotiation and not big on confrontation, how would you approach/word asking for this?
As in soccer, for the negotiator, the use of time is a strategic factor: having control of the pace of the negotiation, through silences and pauses, is a powerful tool to put pressure on the other party or to gain a psychological advantage.
Hi everyone,
I’m currently in a tricky situation at my startup job and would love your advice.
Two years ago, I joined a promising VC-backed startup after my plan to start at a large company with a salary of €60,000–€65,000 fell through due to a global hiring freeze. At the startup, I was offered a salary of €45,000 and shares worth €3,000, which were set to vest after two years.
After my first year, I received a raise of €7,500. However, this raise came from converting €5,000 worth of shares into salary—not by choice, but due to legal restrictions that prevented the shares from being assigned. Had I kept the shares, they’d be worth double that by now. To make matters worse, if this conversion hadn’t been done, my raise would have been just €2,500, which didn’t even keep up with inflation.
Now, I’m up for a promotion to Associate Product Manager, and I’ve learned that newly hired designers are being offered €75,000—much higher than my current salary. I have a background in both design and development and currently handle all design work, including migrating to a new component library and design system, while collaborating closely with the dev team.
The company has raised investments in the double-digit million range, so I know there’s funding available. I’m feeling frustrated and unsure how to approach my upcoming salary negotiation. Any advice on how to make a strong case?
It came up during a surge, and it sounds promising. Has anyone taken it within the last year?
Hi Reddit,
I just received an offer letter that matches my initial salary request, but now I think I lowballed myself. My salary range that I provided was $44k to $50k, and they offered me $47k. The fact is that I would really prefer to receive $50k. I don’t know why I didn’t mention during the interview that I would prefer something around $50k or more. Well, my mistake, because I thought I would lose the opportunity to join this company.
Anyway, I have three days to accept or reject the offer. Do you have any advice on how to negotiate after receiving an offer letter? Did I lose my negotiation power already? During my last conversation with HR, they mentioned that they are focusing on me because I am a great match for the role, but I'm sure they have a pool of candidates since it is a huge organization (a bank).
(P.S. I have completed six rounds of interviews for this role.)
Any Advice?
Hi guys,
I'm looking on negotiation advice on how to getting approval to allow subletters in my apartment 5 days weekly, as I got a job where I am working all weekdays in another part of the country. It is simply to cut costs down as otherwise it is too much for me.
My landlord denied upon request, even thought the public rules made it seem possible and told me it was only allow d for at least 2-room apartments (I have a 1-room).
I didnt really try to negotiate anything, but now that I know a little bit more about what is possible with the right negotiation techniques I thought I would give it a try.
I have planned to do a voice call with me landlord (previous talks have been via e-mails) and will first summarize the situation. I then plan to do an accusations Audit (yes im reading Chris Voss) and say "it seems like you prefer stability among your renters?" "It seems like 1 room apartments have different rules than 2 rooms?"
I'll then go to calibrated questions like "How can we make it possible for me to sublet?" "What is the core issue thats not making subletting possible for me?"
And thats its so far. Do you have any tips for me? Im by no means a negotiation expert (yet) ;)
My first post in this sub, so please excuse if I violated the reddiquette in any way
Hi all,
I need your opinion on the following situation:
The beginning:
What happened next:
Then:
Am I being manipulated by my broker here? They are my only source of information in this deal. Or is this perhaps legitimate and my delay could cost me a good deal?
How should I proceed?
That’s like hiring a chef without tasting their food!
Greetings, I am in talks with a hotel who wants my service for 5 days during Valentine's Week.
The problem is that I'm bidding against another service provider to see who can bid the lowest.
I don't like this game. Not sure how I can win.
Here are a few facts about me:
- I've provided this service for a decade
- I've worked with similar hotels during this event week
- In addition to my service, I attempt to go viral in social media, which benefits the hotel and I
I don't know who this other provider is, nor of their price. And the event planner will not say.
BUT there are few providers who have as much experience as me, so, I don't want to undercut myself.
Anyway, the last event I did, I charged $500 for 3 hours of work.
I've never done 5 consecutive days for 2 hours of work, plus the big V-day evening.
What should I do?
I work in a call centre for an Internet service provider, and silence in between saying something to a customer or even in a discussion at home is so painful to me. Maybe due to my adhd and my anxiety. I feel like I master the empathy side of it, even if that makes me anxious to think that they think I am a pushover. I just need the silence down.
I read Chris Voss's negotiation book and thinking of how I can apply those principals to my situation. How do I stay friendly and de-escalate the damands to fix a perceived wrong? Do I even need to change their mind that I did something wrong or just let them know that I hear what they said and understand how they feel?
Here's the situation: We are in the process of buying a house. The owners are supper stubborn and not willing to give up an inch past what we agreed on in the contract, even though there's some deficiencies that have come up in the home inspection. Granted they did go down quite significantly from their listing price. About 20%. So they said the house comes as is. But from our side, you don't know all the problems when you put an offer in, so the value does change when unknown problems become apparent.
Anyways. It's the holidays, so when I put in the offer, I brought up the possible problem with having standard contingency deadlines, because things will likely take longer. They refused and even asked for shorter contingencies for the inspection period. In order to do the deal, I agreed. We got all the inspections out of the way pretty quickly actually. The problem that we ran into was the loan contingency.
The underwriting and ordering of the appraisal took longer than expected. So our loan contingency deadline passed without us removing the loan contingency. There's a question of weather the appraiser raises any concerns about the safety of the home, which would need to addressed before they would approve the loan.
Due to the holidays, the owners are asking for an extension for them to move their stuff, or an extension of the closing. With the rates up, it will likely cost me extra to extend the closing date, or I will be paying mortgage for the extra time they want to move their things. I don't want to do that. And they don't want to pay for it either.
They feel that because the loan contingency has not been removed that I owe them something. They are demanding that I give them the additional time for free.
I asked them if that means that they want to kill the deal, and they said no. They also haven't given me a notice to perform, which would give an additional two days to remove contingencies.
I feel likely they are being unreasonable. We both want to close the deal, and the situation is out of both of our hands, nothing I can do or could have done to make the loan approval go faster, and there's no way I'm risking losing $10k deposit by removing contingency early.
How would you recommend that say no, de-escalate the situation, stay friendly, and move the situation towards a place where we are getting along? Are these even the right goals? lol. I could potentially just ignore it and just wait. I don't think they will blow up the deal due to this one part. They want to close as well. And honestly, the appraisal report will be finished tomorrow or the next day. Even if they sent me a notice to perform, I would have enough time to get the info and make a decision. But I would like for everyone to walk away with good will towards each other.
My sub-question is this: So much in the negotiation world seems to depend on making the other person think they're in control and that the solution to (give you x y z, money, service, etc etc) is their idea.
Well, if you constantly make another person feel like they are in control, eventually they are going to believe they are the one in control and potentially veer off course.
I might be leaning more towards leadership than power. But, how do you tow the line between letting the other person make the decision, while also respecting that you still have a say in what happens (or even more than just a say) ?
It's over the top but I keep thinking of that Rick and Morty scene where Jerry tries to negotiate over "croutons" and Rick tells Jerry that "God doesn't haggle over 10,000 fucking croutons" and the act of negotiating instead of demanding/ignoring, in short, weakens their position.
The scene where Janice says she wants 3000 to talk about Ralphies sex life, makes Tony ask how she came up with that number. She said ‘it was a number she thought he would say yes to’.
There are so many lessons in this little scene than the entire show on the topic of negotiation.
She did not give up info for free knowing its value to the customer. The customer came to her for the info.
She knew more or less how much cash Tony carries on him
3 She guessed the at 3k was not being too greedy. 10k maybe would make him balk. 1k would work but she couldn’t stand leaving money on the table.
So many people negotiate greedily. I remember a young Ivy League graduate wanted 300k for her first job with the startup we worked at. She had no experience!
I know so many others that don’t realize their own value and are taken advantage of.
Have courage to push for the medium to higher end range of what you believe the other party is willing to give up. But don’t be stupid enough to make them run away!
Imposter Syndrome thrives on distorted thinking—minimising successes, magnifying failures, or comparing your behind-the-scenes struggles to others’ polished exteriors.
Objectively reviewing your achievements can challenge these mental distortions.
I’m new to the “study” of negotiation but am trying to learn more. As a business owner, I negotiate daily (salaries, proposals, vendors, you get the idea).
My style of negotiation has been one that prioritizes speed (many negotiations going on all the time) and keeping non-adversarial relationships (especially so with employees and vendors where we have long relationships ships)
The style is basically presenting what I’m hoping to get out of the deal and then asking them what they hope to get from the deal. Usually this face to face conversation is after a text-based “ask” from either me or them such as via email.
If the original ask from them is one I don’t find reasonable, I usually will straight up say why, focusing on the risks to me and asking either directly or indirectly how we could de-risk the deal.
This approach usually does a good job of putting us in a place of problem solving towards a mutually favorable outcome rather than an adversarial one.
Where I want feedback: To me this seems like a very rushed and perhaps half-baked approach to negotiation. It hasn’t necessarily worked poorly for me but I can’t help but feel there’s some optimizations that can be made.
I often get the feedback of “oh that was easier than I thought” which I have mixed feelings on. I wonder if they find it “easy” because I gave into their ask more than they really needed or if it’s because the conversation was effectively done in a positive and collaborative way.
Any thoughts?
Trump is speaking with SoftBank CEO and asks for $200B in front of reporters after asking for $100B. Anyone care to explain the negotiation tactics for Trump asking for $200B? Starts at 4:05. YouTube
Hi guys. I will negotiate for first time a department for renting. Do you have any real world advice?
Read enough on here to know there's some good advice around.
I'm not a great negotiator. To me makes sense to just say what I want/will accept, if you like it great, and if not we're done. This doesn't work great in the real world...
Now, in a contentious court situation. Other party has been very very aggressive and has the upper hand, but now they're supposedly financially exhausted from their efforts and saying they want to settle (they have a commodity I want, I hold the finances)
They reached out to me (outside of the lawyers) asking what I'm looking for (generally worded) to settle. There's only one offer I'll accept to settle (big ask), and I have the resources to continue a prolonged court battle (they supposedly do not). My lawyer and advisors all agreeing I should ask them for an offer and go from there. But given how aggressive they've been, and that they're low on money, I want to just say here's what I'll accept, take it or see you in court.
Why is my straightforward strategy, though intuitive, not successful?
What would you do,