Imo i think it’s time for both red and blue states to really sit down and discuss this - like nuts and bolts. It’s not even polarization anymore, it’s outright hate. It’s irreconcilable differences.

1.) I kind of imagine this looking like the north american version of what should’ve been a two-state solution with the Israelis and Palestinians. Completely separate political and economic systems that govern specifically those willing to be governed by it down to the local (county) level. Hopefully there’s a divorce attorney that can give input on asset division - there would need to either be some sort of reasonable split of military and economic assets.

2.) county by county referendums to decide how they wish to be governed. As a native californian I’m well aware that outside of the biggest cities it’s mostly deep red and expecting all of california to stay together is unrealistic. Imo this is the fairest idea since it takes in consideration red pockets in blue states and vice versa like the rural parts of oregon and washington etc

3.) free travel, trade, and visitation. Let people move not policies. Let’s be free to govern ourselves the way we want but restricting travel would harm interstate commerce, cause grocery store shortages and does neither side any benefit. When it comes down to it - both red and blue use costco and amazon.

Without this, a split america would be a mess of increasingly hostile checkpoints, the mostly blue biggest cities in red states would basically be besieged and cut off islands and creating such potential flashpoints increases the very real possibility of war if say for hypothetical instance the red parts of Georgia decide no food water etc will be allowed into Atlanta.

Free travel is also needed because such a split would invariably result in many opting to move somewhere they prefer and both sides would be doing this. Even deep blue counties have trump supporters and vice versa.

That’s the ideas i have…if others have suggestions I’m willing to discuss/help put together some sort of proposal. As weird as this sounds coming from a LA liberal…maybe MTG could get the ball rolling on this since it was originally her idea but at this point i think she’d agree with me that she doesn’t want to be countrymen with me any more than I do with her- but both sides need to work together one last time…if only to split.

For a long time, talk of separation has come largely from the right. Now that the left is all grumpy with Trump’s victory, we need to be actively promoting national divorce to them as well. The whole thing goes much smoother when both sides are convinced that separation is in their best interest.

Buckley’s book American Secession takes a leftist approach. My book National Divorce: A Plan for Peace takes a somewhat libertarian and non-partisan approach, arguing that it’s in everyone’s best interest to divide.

Www.national-divorce.com is where you can find my book. I’m also happy to podcast, etc. with just about anybody.

The census went as expected:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NationalDivorce/comments/1g7z4u2/a_census/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

1 Democrat

4 Republican

17 Libertarian

1 Socialist

6 Anarchist

There needs to be a case for the Democrats and Socialists to allow secession. I'll try and everyone else should add what else might interest them:

1. A smaller military.

2. Smaller lobby groups. I'm thinking the American Medical Association which has huge influence over nationwide drug prices.

3. Majority minority countries including the possible Atlanta and West Mississippi.

4. You don't have to be in the same country as Alabama and you can get rid of most of the strict Mormons.

5. The EU allows secession.

6. No federal laws for drugs.

7. You can add in a hard border so that you can prohibit guns.

8. There would be no January 6 extremists.

Who are we? Who should we be talking to?

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Hi. Are there any more active ND forums out there?

Spent an hour tonight with Dan Meredith and the Heartland Liberty show talking about national divorce.

https://rumble.com/v5fhc31-09-18-24-heartland-liberty-live-wednesday-8-9pm-l-jason-fry.html

I’ll be on the Heartland Liberty show Wednesday on rumble.

If we’re gonna have any chance at peace when it comes to the national divorce, we’re gonna have to get the word out better than we currently do. I wrote a book on the subject, and I am hitting the podcast circuit. What are you doing?

I'll start, my favorite is Breaking Away by Ryan McMaken

Hello fellow secessionists. I’m happy to announce that my new book, National Divorce: A Plan for Peace will be out very soon soon. It’ll be on Amazon next week, and I have autographed copies available for pre-order with delivery by the end of September.

I have two kids in the military, so any separation option that involves Civil War I’m not interested in. Since America is divided already and the break up seems inevitable, it makes sense to me that we could just lean in and negotiate a deal instead of waiting until circumstances beyond our control lead to violence.

I look at the idea of division and smaller nations from quite a few different perspectives, including economic, social, global, etc. I talk about intentional sorting into more homogenous groups as the answer, sprinkling in a dose of libertarian live and let live.

I cite over 60 sources, including scholarly works from well known economist and writers.

Www.national-divorce.com is the website. Sign up for the mailing list, and even order a book if you’d like.