My library doesn't have them and z library is charging for them.

Do you think aliens are abducting people?

Is there a top secret black budget program put in place by the US military to identify and ascertain human assets?

Maybe Sasquatch is involved (admittedly difficult to tie this in with urban cases such as with the contents of A Sobering Coincidence)?

Could it be serial killers? Smiley Face perpetrators?

Perhaps there’s some explanation that ties many of these theories together.

Then again there’s just the wilderness being a dangerous, often outright bizarre place.

Looking for suggestions on where to start unpacking this whole mystery!

From this article written in November 2024...

A National Park Ranger told writer David Paulides a troubling story. Over his years of involvement with numerous search and rescue operations at several different National Parks, he had detected a trend that he couldn’t understand.

So...now it's a male ranger who worked at "several" different National Parks in SAR ops, and THE RANGER detected the trend?

The Ranger explained that during the first seven to 10 days of a disappearance he would witness massive search and rescue activity and significant press coverage. Following this initial weeklong effort there was almost always an immediate halt to the coverage, a discontinued search for the victims and no explanation from the search authorities.

I will take "things that didn't happen for $1000". First, it's not unusual for the first seven to ten days of investigation/search to be the most significant. Mainly because there's a finite window for how long humans can survive without particular necessities. Saying that there's an "almost always an immediate halt" to "coverage" doesn't mean a halt to an investigation. "Almost always...a discontinued search and no explanation"? Yes, David. When a person has not been found, there isn't an explanation because speculating and fabricating a narrative to satiate the appetites of conspiracy theorists is lousy police work.

It bothered David enough that he began asking questions yet he got no answers. So he conducted research. What he discovered shocked him. People of all ages have been disappearing from National Parks and forests at an alarming rate, all under similar circumstances. Victims’ families are left without closure and the Park Service refuses to follow up or keep any sort of national list and/or database of the missing people. Thousands of missing people.

Pop quiz: It bothered David so much that he...

A) started raising funds and people to continue searching?

B) joined a SAR unit or became an advocate for victims?

C) researched every case thoroughly and provided accurate, updated reports for each individual?

D) decided to commoditize the misfortune and suffering of others while cherry-picking and wholesale lying about the missing?

Also, I like how, in 2024, he still states that there is no list of the missing and insinuates that it would be the National Park Service's job to keep such a list.

David’s instincts told him this was a story that needed to be told. He devoted six years to investigating missing people in rural areas. The result? The identification of 52 geographical clusters of missing people in North America.

These clusters formed the basis for four Missing 411 books that have garnered widespread acclaim and multiple 5-star ratings on Amazon.com. The story has been featured on several primetime newscasts and on hundreds of ratio stations across the country.

LOL. Six whole years, huh? 52 clusters? Clusters of what? I guess we should be happy that this article doesn't mention granite, weather, berries, and water.

Just read an account of Dennis Martin's disappearance from the Great Smokey Mountains. A couple things stood out to me. One was the kids were playing a prank, not hide and go seek or tag.

The other one was that the Keye family heard a scream, and saw a "disheveled man getting into a white car." I have NEVER heard anyone mention the hairy man getting into a car, but i also know that David tends to cherry pick details.

Lastly, this article seems to infer the case is closed, as a ginseng poacher found a child's skeleton near his patch, which was about 3 miles from the Keye's sightings.

Anyone hear these details before, or did some AI written article gloss over anything that didn't jibe with mainstream views?

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/2-oregon-men-died-exposure-search-sasquatch-washington-state/

I thought the focus on missing persons and people being hunted was oddly on topic with Missing 411.

Specifically the scenes with the hidden shelters dug into the ground with large doors intrigue me. In the section of Missing 411 The Hunted where they interview Tom Messick’s friends and family, one of them mentions hearing something that sounded like a trap opening or closing.

Anyway nothing really that poignant just thought it was an interesting movie. Honestly the woods make a lot of noise. Branches falling, etc. Then there’s the fact the FBI investigated the case IIRC.

Does anyone here think this case is possibly 411?

How come in this case of a child who went missing at Crater Lake in 2006 the officials from the National Park Service were so evasive and acting all shady in the various interviews featured in the Missing 411 documentary on missing children when they covered this case?

It seems like they are being very guarded and reluctant to do anything that would constitute lifting a finger to aid the search by providing more information, generating a list of missing persons who have gone missing at crater Lake or other efforts and I just want to know why it is that they were behaving in such an uncooperative bureaucratic manner.

So I barely knew this guy, but some of my friends knew him very well. This happened a few years ago. He was working at a bar, and for some reason his car was parked like a mile away, he left the bar and started walking to his car. He was probably somewhat drunk at the time, they were known to drink at the end of their shifts, but he wasn't like stumbling around shitfaced, he was coherent. He was walking fine on the surveillance footage and his coworkers didnt think anything was out of the ordinary. His phone location data showed that he made it to his car, but he didn't get in the car and drive home like normal. Instead he walked a few miles in a different direction for some unknown reason. His body was found facedown in a shallow drainage canal several miles away from his car. The cause of death was drowning. There were no signs of a struggle. This never sat right with anybody who knew him. His family hired an expensive private investigator who didn't determine anything conclusive. Nobody has any clue why he ended up in this drainage canal. Nobody thinks that he was so drunk that he would just fall in a drainage canal and drown in 4 feet of water. He had been walking for hours and should have been pretty much sobered up at that point. It just doesn't make sense to anybody. It gives us all a creepy feeling everytime it is discussed because it just doesn't seem right. It just doesn't sit right with us. I know the armchair skeptics are gonna say "he was drunk, he fell in a canal and drowned, case closed". I genuinely think there is something bizarre going on here. I'm not a huge fan of Dave P, I know that a lot of his work is BS, but I have noticed a few trends amongst some of his cases and other cases like this one.

Person walks or otherwise travels in a strange direction that doesn't make any logical sense.

Person's body is found in a body of water.

Listed cause of death is drowning.

There's a few cases Dave has talked about that all had these similarities. There was one where a man left a bar drunk, made a phone call where the audio sounded like he was drowning or being drowned, and his body was found in shallow water in a pond. There was another one where an infant was found floating in a lake just outside their home but all the doors and windows were locked and no one was ever charged.

The whole people walking in strange direction things really is bizarre. I have another personal story on that note. A friend was out on the beach late one night with some girls, they were partying, they were drinking and doing drugs. It was like 3AM and they were completely alone on the beach. One of the girls all of a sudden started walking off into the waves. Like straight into the ocean. My friend grabbed her and stopped her. My friend swears to God that she was mumbling in FRENCH. She suddenly came back to reality and said something was talking to her and telling her to go that way. I've also noticed these people are often either drunk or mentally disabled, such as with the Yuba County 5. My theory is that someone or something is mentally manipulating people to go in these odd directions, and people who are drunk or disabled are more easily manipulated. I also believe that this someone or something chooses to kill people in ways that leave the cause of death ambigious, such as drowning. That's just my theory based on some knowledge and experiences i've had, take it with a grain of salt. Anyways, that's a case that probably none of you have heard before and I find it very disturbing. It just doesn't sit right with me or anyone else who knew this guy.

I missed out when these were in print, I collect the physical media versions of his documentaries. The official site does not have it, does anyone have a copy or know where I can get one? Thanks.

I know most, if not all Missing 411 cases have a logical answer behind them that doesn’t involve aliens, cryptids, or the paranormal. But what are some cases you guys just can’t fathom a possible explanation for (given these cases exist)?

I've checked a few places and they're all SO EXPENSIVE!! One person wanted £2,000 for all 9?! So any help would be great

This is not an endorsement for a streaming service. I finished watching Episode 7: Smoky Mountain Nightmare on Hulu's OUT THERE: Crimes of the Paranormal series. The episode was pretty good. However, there was no discussion of the child-sized footprints that led to a stream and disappeared. However, there is disagreement if the prints belonged to Dennis, and I was completely shocked that crack researcher David Paulides was not interviewed (insert overly exaggerated gasp).

After what seems like years of searching and doing cross referencing with multiple sources I do believe I have found the “near” exact location of the Sierra Camp.

Where I previously thought it was, was in fact wrong and just over the past two weeks I gotten new leads that changed the location but was still in my original(2 years ago) suspected zone.

I have seen and read through what feels like 100’s of people saying where they think it is and to my surprise someone actually got it. One of those people actually took and posted a picture of them there. (If that was you, pm me. I have some questions for you).

My super fascination with the location is because I have had Class A sightings close to where this location and well as hearing “samurai chatter” come from a creek area during the night time. I do plan on having long duration recorders placed out to monitor animal and human activity. Wish me luck!

hi! im new to m411 cases and more than interested in them. my engagement of choice is via youtube videos, and ofc ive already found the lore lodge, and i love all of the extensive research he does, but for me it lacks atmosphere & more visual elements. any channel recommendations as somebody who’s new?

Be honest.

edit: Wow! I knew it! His stories were just too weird and wonderful and numerous to be legit!

I been curious as I been watching Missing411 cases on YouTube

There was a child that went missing in Oregon, very young lad and it was a huge investigation that was playing on the news every other day with new updates almost monthly.

I forgot the young lads name I remember he was blonde hair, blue eyes, maybe glasses. There were speculation that one or both parents did some foul play and murdered the child, or the child was kidnapped.

I left Oregon a few years after and I am unsure if the kid was found.

Anyone happen to know who or what I'm talking about or did I hallucinate the whole thing playing on the news? I remember this was before the Slenderman incident with the three teenage girls.

Stumbled across this episode last night and thought of the Missing 411 issues and experiences.

In a nutshell, it examines how park rangers look for people, how that fits with what people actually do when they get lost, and how new data studies are informing searches in different national parks.

You're lost in the wilderness. Now what? - Unexplainable (pca.st)

I'm agnostic re the controversies surrounding things re Missing 411 related stuff but find the how people go missing and how they are found, or not found, fascinating.

Bear with me, fellow Missing411 fans, i enjoy these stories as much as you do. However, after listeneing to hundreds of these events in question, it finally clicked in my head how often this occurs. The "raging snowfall" or "rainstorm" and what not, that just so happens to follow a dissapearence, halting all searches, covering tracks, obscuring any evidence, etc. No sir. Not buying it anymore.

It's just TOO much of a convenience. Almost as if whatever mysterious being responsible for the deception, has the power to 'WILL' the conditions of the wheather itself, in order to cover their tracks and introduce doubt for all involved. Ya know, like the STORY-TELLER!

Example: The story that made this 'click' for me, was the one with the three mountain climbers on a 13,000 ft mountain. After a certain ways up, one of them instantiously vanished without warning. They climb down and alert authorties but the search couldn't begin for a while because of "harsh wheather conditions" at the time. Oh really? If things were THAT bad, why were they out climbing a mountain to begin with?!

^ ^ Pure muthfu**ing FICTION.

Sorry guys, my BS meter has just been tripped one time TOO many, to take stories with this particular detail seriously anymore. As soon as i hear the search couldn't begin for a bit due to the wheather, i'm checked out.

I really think I'd enjoy seeing these stories as episodes. Are they available anywhere ?

Wengen and the canyon in which Lauterbrunnen is located, as seen in summer. Photo: Martin Buchbauer.

Myles Robinson goes missing

Avid skier Myles Robinson arrived in the Swiss alpine town of Wengen on December 20, 2009, with his family to spend Christmas. They were very familiar with the area, having visited many times over the years. On the night Myles went missing, he had been out drinking in Wengen with his sister and some friends.

CCTV footage showed him leaving the Blue Monkey bar at 2:19 AM with a female friend. He escorted her to her apartment building, and they sat and talked on a park bench for about twenty to twenty-five minutes before she went inside. A call was made from Myles' phone to a friend at 3:26 AM, but it did not connect.

Later that morning, Myles Robinson's family realized he was missing. Since Wengen does not have a police force, authorities from the nearby town of Lauterbrunnen were contacted, and a search was launched. Fearing that their son might have been kidnapped, the Robinson family organized their own private search parties. About a week later, one of these search parties discovered Myles' deceased body at the bottom of a cliff.

The Missing 411 aspects

In a CANAM video released on January 25, 2023, Missing 411 scientist David Paulides presents the Myles Robinson case. Paulides explains that, although Myles went missing in Wengen, his body was found a week later in plain sight near a 330-foot cliff outside Lauterbrunnen. It is important to note that travel between these two villages is only possible via the Wengernalpbahn (the Wengernalp Railway), as there are no roads.

In the video, David Paulides briefly displays a blurry map that lacks useful details such as topography and distances. He shows the locations of Wengen and Lauterbrunnen and then points to a section of the map southwest of Lauterbrunnen, stating, "...and there are cliffs along the side of Lauterbrunnen," implying that this is where Myles Robinson's body was found.

David Paulides mentions that cliffs are located in this area southwest of Lauterbrunnen.

David Paulides then explains to his viewers why it makes little sense for Myles Robinson to have been found outside Lauterbrunnen. Paulides states:

"The cog train that runs between these two cities that takes people back and forth stops running at midnight. He was last seen at 2:50 AM, the train was not running and it is a five-hour hike through the mountains to get there. That is pretty weird, huh?"

David Paulides mentions a five-hour hike between Wengen and Lauterbrunnen. Above is a Google Maps route suggesting a hike of five hours and eight minutes.

But the Missing 411 weirdness does not stop there. Later in the video, David Paulides notes that Myles Robinson was missing his shoes and socks before concluding that the young man from England had been dropped from the sky. Paulides states:

"Guess what? He had no shoes. He had no socks on when they found him. Wake up, people! I've said this for the last 10 years. This is important. So, Myles was dropped where he fell. And in December, in Switzerland, at 2 A.M., it’s really cold. Myles is not going to walk around in bare feet. Now, the police and the professional searchers scoured the area around where his body was found for hours—that's how they found the phone and other things. But they never found the shoes or the socks. So, he was an athlete, he was highly educated, smart, in a ski area town, and they can’t explain how the body got there."

What really happened

The Mönchblick viewpoint

In the CANAM video, David Paulides says:

"At 3:26, a little more than 30 minutes after he's last seen, that phone gets dropped hard, way down in Lauterbrunnen, five hours away by foot. The cog train wasn't working. How did it get there? How did he get there?"

So, how did Myles Robinson end up at the bottom of a cliff southwest of Lauterbrunnen in the middle of the night? Did he take the Wengernalpbahn? Did he walk barefoot through the Swiss Alps? The answer is, he did not.

A review of original sources quickly and unequivocally confirms that the Missing 411 account largely consists of fabrications invented by David Paulides. As previously mentioned, Myles Robinson was last seen outside his female friend’s apartment building (just a stone's throw from the Blue Monkey bar). During the search for Myles, Swiss authorities used a canine that successfully picked up his scent—a relevant detail not mentioned by Paulides. The Times (January 3, 2010) reports:

"Rather than head through the village back towards the Eiger, it scurried down a narrow tarmac path that leads to the Moenchsblick viewpoint, a 20-minute walk away. It is a pleasant mile-long walk through woods and fields, passing the odd chalet and hotel, but not one that would be an obvious choice in the middle of the night. /.../ A short distance away from the benches at the viewpoint, the snow-clad ground slopes at 45 degrees through fir trees for some 20 yards before a sheer drop down a 330ft cliff to the valley below. Here the scent trail went dead."

According to Google Maps, the distance between the Blue Monkey bar and the Mönchblick viewpoint is approximately 0.8 miles, which takes about seventeen minutes to walk. From Mönchblick, you can see the valley below, where the town of Lauterbrunnen and several other smaller villages are situated.

The distance between the Blue Monkey bar and the Mönchblick viewpoint is 0.8 miles. The village of Lauterbrunnen is visible in the top right corner.

Myles Robinson was found on December 28, 2009, by a private search group. The Chronicle (December 30, 2009) states:

"He had plunged into an icy ravine from a cliffside path in the Swiss resort of Wengen and his BlackBerry phone was retrieved hours later on the 'incredibly hazardous' track. Police are now attempting to power up the device to see what calls, texts and emails Myles made or took before the tragedy.

One theory was he stumbled off the cliff while texting. A police spokeswoman, said: 'The body was discovered below the lookout point at Mönchsblick. It’s a very dangerous path in winter. It would seem he fell and suffered fatal injuries. The autopsy showed no indication anyone else was involved. Investigations are continuing.'"

The cliff, with Wengen and Lauterbrunnen visible in the background.

The cliff from another angle.

The twenty-three-year-old died on impact (The Daily Mail - March 24, 2011), he never made it to Lauterbrunnen. Thus, the "mystery" of how he could have reached the valley town in thirty minutes in the middle of the night can be added to the long list of well-documented Missing 411 failures.

Area not previously searched

Myles Robinson was not found in plain sight, as claimed in the CANAM video. Swiss authorities did not search the woodlands below the Mönchblick viewpoint because the area was deemed too hazardous due to the risk of falling boulders and snow (The Times - January 3, 2010). The Standard (April 13, 2012) states:

"Police launched a search and rescue operation when he was reported missing, using helicopters with heat-seeking equipment. A police bloodhound followed his scent to the Moenchsblick viewpoint, which overlooks a sheer drop to a valley. Police said they did not search the base of the cliff for safety reasons and the body was found later by one of the family's search parties.

Miss Robinson said questions over the police handling of the case were allayed after speaking to officers. She said: 'It is an extremely treacherous route because it was thawing; understandably the police needed to protect themselves and they didn't want to tell us, in case any of our friends and volunteers went to look. They didn't want to end up with another 10 people dead.'"

The village of Lauterbrunnen and its steep canyon walls. Photo: Robin Ulrich.

Alcohol and para-Methoxyamphetamine

It is not known why Myles Robinson decided to walk to the Mönchblick viewpoint that starry night, but the Swiss medical examination revealed that he had been drinking. Trace amounts of a designer drug known as Dr. Death (para-Methoxyamphetamine) were also found in his system (The Daily Mail - March 24, 2011). The Daily Mail describes this drug as "a mind-altering substance," and Coroner Dr. Paul Knapman notes that there is a possibility Myles’ drinks may have been spiked.

Missing shoes and socks

Missing socks and shoes have long baffled Missing 411 scientists and enthusiasts. In the CANAM video, David Paulides claims that Myles Robinson's shoes and socks were not found. However, this claim is inaccurate. The Telegraph (December 31, 2009) reports:

"Police spokeswoman Rose-Marie Comte said: 'Mr Robinson was heavily under the influence of alcohol. He was in very steep, rugged terrain. It is very, very dangerous and it was icy. He fell 100 metres off a cliff and died from his injuries. He had lost his shoes and one sock in the fall. One shoe and the sock have since been recovered but the weather is too bad to conduct a further search at present.'"

Discussion

How baffling do you find the Myles Robinson case?

Just watching some 411 stuff. Had the idea that if everyone had an airbag, would they be able to be located?

Every now and again a missing 411 will come up that is just far in a way weirder than the majority of ones that come over the channel. Something that just blows most of the other encounters out of the water. Where there isn't the slightest I cling it a logical explanation for what happened. Whats your favorite?

In the second Missing 411 book, titled "Eastern United States," readers are introduced to the case of a man who vanished from his LaGrange farm under puzzling circumstances.

On page 31, David Paulides describes Ralph Stutzman as "a hard-working father and farmer" who was last seen after telling his thirteen children he needed to chase down some cows "that had somehow gotten loose." According to the Missing 411 account, which does not cite any sources, a massive search effort was launched. However, despite this extensive search, no trace of the man was ever found, leaving law enforcement officials baffled. Paulides then suggests that there may be a pattern of farmers going missing while searching for their livestock

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On page 27, researcher David Paulides prefaces his section on missing farmers by stating: "There was no place to hide, no place to escape—this was home. The evidence from these cases indicates one thing: the victims were coerced into leaving their farms or were abducted from their land. No other explanation fits." Remarkably, recent findings have now shed new light on the Ralph Stutzman case.

According to an article in the WNDU (June 17, 2023), Ralph Stutzman had moved to Florida, changed his name to Delbert Schrock, and fathered another six children. He eventually passed away in 1968. The case was solved last year thanks to the efforts of Ralph Stutzman's grandchildren, the LaGrange County Sheriff's Office, and modern DNA testing.

How the Missing 411 abductor managed to compel the Hoosier State farmer to leave his old family behind, change his name, and raise a new family in another state remains a mystery.