So u/coral15 posted this post

https://www.reddit.com/r/MauraMurraySub/comments/1gf7pmk/close_by/

They mentioned VASTNESS.

In the Tv show The Killing Season (by Josh Zeman, I think) there was a person from Websleuths named Peter Brandt who studies Serial Killers, who said that Serial Killers kill and dump sites have a specific sound.

I screen capped it, look (I didnt feel like typing it all out):

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I know that there are so many people who are praying for answers and trying to crack this case and I think that Maura would be so grateful. I was wondering if people would be interested in doing something in honor of her, and maybe get a lot of eyes on the area if nothing else meet a lot of people who are looking for answers, have talked to each other for a long time, and just feel like we could do something for her. Regardless of the actual location of the crash, there must be tons of places to walk as a group if people wanted to go I've never been. Sometimes it takes a different approach to find even the smallest clue. I think Maura would be so thankful for everyone still fighting for her. Maybe the area would bring some peace? Or the route that she took? Just trying to think of something everyone might need... It feels like there's just something missing but who knows what.... Ugh

So what theory were all these ppl who got attacked while investigating Mauras case, working on?

What was John Smith for instance, working on?

I hope this post makes sense.

He was the last person to see her

John Marotte says he saw her, saw Butch drive up, then didnt see her anymore

Butch gave conflicting statements

Butch Moved to Florida

Butch had Polygraph issues

Butch either volunteered or was asked to "Go East" to look for Maura.

Witness A didnt see her when she drove by

Such a TEENY WEENY window for an unknown bad actor to snatch her

We only have Butch's word for what Maura said to him.

I dont think Butch killed her, but took her East and Dropped her somewhere. Somewhere where Rick might have seen her running.

Could she have hit HIS bus and got the damage from him?

I wish we could go back in time, with what we know about true crime now and apply those things to Mauras case.

I came across this John Marrotte interview which I had missed somehow and had never seen. It looks like it was first posted to Reddit on the r/MauraMurray subreddit in 2017, but it has not been referenced recently, so I thought I'd repost it. I believe there were two other interviews with Marrotte, but I believe they were done later, maybe 2006, and don't contain as much detail.

Some thoughts: -Only one police arrival mentioned (the same as the Westmans). No mention of a second cruiser arriving 10 minutes after the first.

-Marrotte saw the police officer first search around Maura's car with a flashlight, then saw them walk up to the Weathered Barn, then walk down Old Peters Road, then the officer either walked or drove over to Butch's who was in Bus. (My initial interpretation of the text was that Cecil walked to Butch's since it doesn't say he drove, but it doesn't explicitly say one or the other. It makes more sense that he would have driven over, not walked). I did not know that Marrotte reported Cecil walking up to the Weathered Barn or searching OPR in an initial search of the area before going to Butch's. I wonder if he did the search before or after going to the Westmans? I'm not sure.

-Marrotte noticed that Butch stayed on his bus for quite awhile after Butch arrived home, and he assumed he was making a 911 call from the bus. (So he must have assumed he had a cordless landline phone too.) There's no mention of Butch going inside and coming back out, but Marrotte probably wasn't paying close attention to Butch the whole time and I don't find that odd or suspicious. We know Butch went inside to call 911 on his landline and then went back to his bus.

-Marrotte thought 15 minutes had passed from the time the police arrived on scene until the officer went over to Butch's bus. I did not know this either, but it makes sense and this reaffirmed my belief that Cecil arrived earlier than 7:46 and that the stated arrival time in the logs is incorrect.

Enough to maybe steer an investigation?

Julie did a TikTok a while back about searching for a man called Woodchuck who had info to give her and once they met, she sent the info to police.

On one of my cross-border visits, I visited Applebee's and was waiting for my turn to be seated. A tall man walked in with salt & pepper hair & lots of self-assurance - I estimate he was in his sixties. He was accompanied by a short woman who spoke English with a Quebecois accent. (ETA: He gave the name Chuck to the hostess.) I knew right away they were probably there because of the Maura Murray case. The only thing I recall hearing from their conversation was "We're always looking for good people." I became anxious and "closed my ears" after that.

I had never seen him or noticed him before but I may have seen the woman in Montreal. There was another woman similar to her that once showed up on one of my cross-border trips. She was at the bar of a restaurant I've been going to for over 30 years and she told me that although she lived right across the border, she had never crossed over until that day. The woman was in her fifties. She seemed to have knowledge of a private phone conversation I had with a friend. You see, my preferred table at the restaurant is tucked in the back, in a quiet spot, facing the bar. I told my friend over the phone that I hoped the bartender didn't think I was going there for him. When I entered the restaurant and this woman accosted me, she said as she pointed to the bartender "you're coming for him aren't you?"

I don't know who this Chuck guy is but I think I have identified the woman, if ever the police is interested.

This is just one of the less scary encounters I've had. Just thought I'd document this here.

True Crime Rules

1. Do not interfere in an open investigation
2. Do not stalk victims or suspects or others
3. Keep all doxing to yourself, dont share sensitive info

What else?

Occupy Wall St. video: https://youtu.be/oIvbFMgIBC8?si=6lKJryAX7EnuTWom

Location found : https://maps.app.goo.gl/W65yQYE1QodTXNF59

Now find out if it means something for Maura

When LE said they had a “70% likelihood of making a conviction” to justify keeping their docs sealed during FM’s court case, we obviously expected there to be a conviction. It never happened. At what point does LE reveal who/what they were thinking of at that time, or at least what went wrong? I get staying quiet for the integrity of the case but as the decades start going by, I can’t help but think it would be more worth it to open up a little.

Can anyone try to get this information now that so much time has passed since FM’s court case? I believe the judge leaned heavily on that 70% (it may have even been 75…) confidence when deciding to keep the docs sealed.

…..as if they have 100% of the facts in the investigation.

Unless you are LE or are privy to unreleased LE investigative reports, how can you shoot down some theories posted here? Your view isn’t automatically superior to another poster.

I’m not just speaking of just my own proposed theories but it seems some Redditors are adamant their view of the disappearance when they have little to no confirmed evidence. I’ve been reading past threads and it gets toxic on here.

I realize Renner is often attacked and often debunked on this sub. I just don’t get why folks are attacking each other when the majority of people just want find out what happened to Maura and allow the Murrays to finally get answers and realize some peace.

Bracing for impact but I’m serious: Why?

Hey again guys!

I just wanted to thank you guys for all the support for the Maura episode of my podcast! You guys showed a lot of support beyond my expectations! Thank you so much! I hope I did Maura justice - that was my biggest goal doing this!

For those who haven't seen it: Friday Crime Club: Maura Murray

and if you have other case recommendations for future episodes they are absolutely welcome!

Thank you so much! 😊

In the Oxygen series, episode 4, he mentions several routes NH LE has taken including “grand jury work”. He also says “Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t” as to Maggie’s suggestion that Butch Atwood was the last person to see Maura.

So who do you speculate was the person that caused a grand jury to convene? And what year was it? How do you interpret the Butch Atwood comment?

IMO, From what I see, R.F. did a series of different video's, with a different theme related to each one, some people say they are cryptic, using words and such, referring to Maura Murray.

In 2012 R.F. posts a video "Occupy Wall Street" < < < This is the one I need help with.

This location seems to be some type of park, and on the grounds in this park is a Field Artillery Cannon or Cannon's?

The Field Artillery can be seen @ 1:58

There are other landmarks, buildings, roads, paths, a gazebo type structure.

https://youtu.be/oIvbFMgIBC8?si=KawNyiQhFcUSAj4P

IMO We would, want to be able to confirm or eliminate this location, as a possible clue, so any help would be appreciated.

I know there are people that still think Maura is actually buried there, yet they didn't find remains. Just wondering if the scent of any remains that were hit on (yet not found) could be from a very old burial? The northeast US has a lot of skeletal remains 100+ years old buried under homes because of land re-use. It's much more common to find these remains in larger cities, but country burials often date back to when people would bury family on their own land. Perhaps the remains are deeper under the home? Or does anyone have a different theory for what the dogs were hitting on?

The one simple thing that makes this case so puzzling and largely unsolvable 20 years on is the fact that now in 2024 we know close to nothing more than we knew in the early months of the disappearance back in 2004.

We have yet to even determine the basic stuff that would open this case up a bit. When you think about it, 20 years on, we still do not know for sure why she headed to New Hampshire just like we don't know what was upsetting her so much in the days prior to her disappearance. We don't know who spoke to her on the phone, we don't know all the details surrounding the first accident just like we don't know what exactly happened at the "party" at Sarah Alfieri's dorm room. You would think that 2 decades on some of those things would have been definitely established by now but they haven't been and it's highly doubtful they will ever be. Whoever was responsible for her disappearance or whoever helped her (assuming this was pre-planned) run away to New Hampshire have gotten exactly what they wanted.

Has anyone ever thought this could be a viable theory? It's crossed my mind a few times as I've read through info on here.

Is this legitimate? Previously overlooked security camera footage from nearby gas station thought to be corrupted was restored and shows dark colored suv following car that closely resembles Maura’s car at time of her disappearance. (Link below)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TvU2AEZXjqw&pp=ygUMTWF1cmEgbXVycmF5

Just interested in what people think or have come up with over the years summarize as best as you can, what do you think actually happened to maura, I wish that she would be found it's crazy it's been decades now. As someone who has lived in nh most of their lives, I don't know the area this happened very well but I know that it is a small town and it's crazy this could happen without answers. More and more people go missing and it's concerning that more can't or isn't being done. Cell service in many areas like the site Maura went missing, still don't have cell reception. Some people will say that it's gotten better but oddly only on att which is not a huge carrier a lot of people in these dead zones have had to get att to hope have service it's really sketchy decades later this is still an issue

I was reviewing Operation Candy Box articles when the following passage struck me as possibly relevant:

Authorities also identified a large network of couriers who allegedly utilized vehicles with sophisticated "traps" to transport currency and Ecstasy. In one incident, a vehicle bound for Canada via the border city of Burlington, Vermont was searched and $750,000 in U.S. currency was discovered concealed in the fuel tank. Information developed during the investigation suggested that the organization was capable of distributing up to 1,000,000 Ecstasy tablets per month in the U.S. and Canada.

At first, LE was not interested in the Saturn & left it to rot out in the open but they did at one point go back to remove the tailpipe. Did they remove more than just the tailpipe? Were they investigating possible involvement in the Candy Box case? Arrests in this case were made on March 31, 2004 and the alleged ringleaders were Z* W** W***, a Chinese national, and M** Phu*** L*, a Vietnamese national. https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2004/March/04_crm_209.htm

Thoughts?

*delete if not allowed

Hey guys!

I love reading your thoughts on this subreddit. This is a case that has stuck with me for years. I truly hope we get an explanation some day.

At the urging of my family (who probably got tired of hearing me talk true crime) I started a YouTube channel. Nothing fancy - but I decided to make an episode about Maura.

I'm still learning - so if you do have a watch, be mindful that next time will (hopefully) be better. Every time I step in front of the camera, I learn. I did my best to make sure there's no innacurate information, but like I said, I'm still learning.

So if you have a listen - thank you! And please, any constructive criticism in the video comments is very welcome.

And also - if you have any cases you want me to cover next, leave a comment on the video. I'll be sure to take a look! :)

https://youtu.be/BNvVCGuYwR4

I've tried to post many many times on TrueCrime, TrueCrimeDiscussion and UnresolvedMysteries and my posts get removed EVERY SINGLE TIME!

I tried to post on TrueCrime about Alyssa Taylor who is still missing and probably in the landfill with the chicken parts and they said it wasnt True Crime. It is. Shes STILL MISSING. And if shes not in the landfill then where is she? Shes a mom of 2

Has anyone else had issues?

https://atwoodmichaelj.wixsite.com/my-site/post/misdirection

This second blog post took me awhile to put together. Hope you enjoy it. I pose some difficult questions and a debatable theory but I stand by it! Not a detective but always investigating! Hoping that the Murray Family gets some resolution as it has been twenty long years since Maura disappeared.

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