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From Steven Spielberg, Tom Hanks, and Gary Goetzman--Masters of the Air is a World War II drama miniseries based on the actions of the airmen who risk their lives with the 100th Bomb Group, and a brotherhood forged by courage, loss, and triumph.

A place to discuss the Apple TV+ WWII miniseries Masters of the Air.


Episode Discussions:

Episode 1 and 2

Episode 3

Episode 4

Episode 5

Episode 6

Episode 7

Episode 8

Episode 9

The Bloody Hundredth


Making Masters of the Air Official Podcast


100th BG Foundation Officially Licensed Apparel


Episode Date Availability:

  • Part 1 - Friday, January 26, 2024

  • Part 2 - Friday, January 26, 2024

  • Part 3 - Friday, February 2, 2024

  • Part 4 - Friday, February 9, 2024

  • Part 5 - Friday, February 16, 2024

  • Part 6 - Friday, February 23, 2024

  • Part 7 - Friday, March 1, 2024

  • Part 8 - Friday, March 8, 2024

  • Part 9 - Friday, March 15, 2024

  • The Bloody Hundredth - March 15, 2024


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  • Poor quality posts are subject to removal at moderator discretion. Some examples include unrelated links, reposts, low-effort complaints, etc. All posts should promote engaging, thoughtful discussion. General praise or complaint threads will only be allowed if genuine effort has been made to encourage meaningful conversation.

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This guy gave the most underrated performance of the show. I'd recommend reading about his real life character, Hans Scharff.

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2024/03/29
02:10 UTC

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For those missing the weekly MOTA fix I'd highly recommend SAS Rogue Heroes

It's a different feel to MOTA but I'm really enjoying SAS Rogue Heroes. It's about the formation of the SAS and their secret missions in Africa during WWII. Gritty, sometimes funny, sometimes hard hitting. It has that cameraderie vibe that MOTA has. S1 available on BBC iPlayer and S2 due out later this year. I'd love to hear the thoughts of those who've watched it too.

7 Comments
2024/03/28
22:54 UTC

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I've seen quite a few people on this sub saying that Austin Butler looks nothing like the real Buck Cleven.

But I have never seen anyone on this sub say that Nate Mann looks even less like the real Rosie Rosenthal lol.

At least there is a faint resemblance between Butler and Cleven. Nate doesn't look anything close to Rosie lol.

46 Comments
2024/03/28
19:51 UTC

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Compilation?

So has anyone made a compilation of all the battle scenes yet?

0 Comments
2024/03/28
18:13 UTC

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Rosie was the highlight of this show

I'm a little late to the party, but yesterday I binge-watched the whole series. Even though the first two episodes didn't click for me, I pushed through, and it was absolutely worth it.

To be honest, I'm not the biggest fan of the Buck & Bucky duo. I think their characters lacked depth throughout the series. Croz and Bubbles had much less screen time together, but I think it was a much more interesting dynamic. Rosie's introduction in Part 4 had me worried it would be another predictable sidekick trope, but thankfully, the writers took his character in a much more compelling direction.

His initial confidence slowly crumbles under the immense pressure of war. The scene during the Münster mission where he seeks solace in music is a poignant reminder of the emotional toll these young men faced. I love the subsequent storyline of him trying to act brave, wanting to go back to the base, and then his fear of returning to the terror and the hesitation before entering the plane. My favorite scene was the one at the liberated camp and the one after with the Jewish man. They were absolutely heartbreaking and so well played.

Shoutout to Nate Mann, because in my opinion, his performance as Rosie was stellar. I can't believe it was his first major role, and I really hope there is a bright future ahead of him.

31 Comments
2024/03/28
15:30 UTC

54

Episode 6: Sandra and the pro-Soviet poster at the Oxford party

7 Comments
2024/03/28
13:32 UTC

103

Why does the theme of this show go so hard?

It has no reason but it absolutely slaps.

39 Comments
2024/03/28
04:10 UTC

20

Why didnt they have the piggyback flight?

Did i miss it somehow? Was there a reference to it? It was with the 100th so why not?

15 Comments
2024/03/27
19:26 UTC

11

Book recommendations

Just finished listening to MotA on audible. Any recommendations on what to listen/read next?

22 Comments
2024/03/27
18:39 UTC

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Destruction of German cities in ww2

11 Comments
2024/03/27
16:22 UTC

38

A random favorite scene

I love the scene in the last episode where Cleven and Egan are about to fly home, and Egan says “are you ready to see Marge?” And Butler does his classic smile answer. Egan then says “yeah I bet.” I don’t know why this scene stuck out to me so much but I love it! Something about then returning to life back home

9 Comments
2024/03/27
14:50 UTC

237

No mention of ME-262s.

I think it deserved some sort of acknowledgement.

119 Comments
2024/03/27
06:26 UTC

27

Some bombers flying higher

The show always shows a large group of bombers above the bombers that the show depicts. Why are these groups so much higher and what were they for?

Why didn’t all bombers just fly that high?

10 Comments
2024/03/27
04:48 UTC

8

Any good P-51 Documentaries?

Have come across a couple with Google, but not able to get a read on how well made they are. Hoping to find any that focus more on the context/timing of when they entered the war and how it changed air superiority for the allies. Appreciate any recommendations.

3 Comments
2024/03/27
04:05 UTC

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Need a gif of Buck pushing Bucky back into his seat

Episode 2 has a running gag of Bucky jumping out of his seat to do something impulsive, only for Buck to off-handedly shove him back into his seat. If anyone here is particularly good at making gifs, I'd find such a gif highly useful as a response gif.

7 Comments
2024/03/27
02:23 UTC

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Progression of B-17F nose armament

Does anyone have a source that explains how B-17F nose armament progressed over time? The base model is often shown as only having cheek guns (see the movie Memphis Belle), but then many early models are shown with two nose guns (sometimes .30, sometimes .50; see the real Memphis Belle). Then, the models shown in MotA are shown with a single .50, with a wider field of fire.

I'm curious about how these models were developed, if they were field modifications or produced by a particular factory. I'm also curious how the guns were operated. In MotA, the bombardier is shown always manning the nose, with the navigator on the gun above his table, with the other cheek gun often unmanned, as when Egan goes to it in the Regensburg mission (or maybe the bombardier switches to it sometimes).

15 Comments
2024/03/27
01:38 UTC

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"Damn Lucky" by Kevin Maurer

This is the story of John "Lucky" Luckadoo and his journey to 25 missions. There are a lot of crazy things that happen to him and somehow he survived. There is a story about Buck's capture. It would have been funny to show it as a flashback in the stalag with a new prisoner asking "What happened when you bailed?" or "How did you get caught?"

https://preview.redd.it/0bedrh26brqc1.jpg?width=652&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b12cf846a4ca7892e3abe232beea1c9c5da88a8

8 Comments
2024/03/26
22:40 UTC

25

I really liked the PoW-radio hacking and escape themes of the show. Any other recommendations of shows, podcasts or books that talk about such matters that happened IRL?

title.

29 Comments
2024/03/26
20:44 UTC

4

Master of the Air pilot script PDF?

I found the transcript but not the pilot script.

https://tvshowtranscripts.ourboard.org/viewtopic.php?f=2132&t=67434&sid=1d1d5acf4d1cb25d22bc4106563b1b24

I've already looked at several script sites and Googled.

Can anyone help me find this one?

Thanks!

3 Comments
2024/03/26
17:00 UTC

83

Crosby's Story

There's a lot of hate on the Crosby relationship with his (sub)altern roommate. It's key to the story. It's part of what Crosby says at the end. He became a monster. War caused the feelings in him to cheat on his wife, who he clearly loves.

It's a story of a man becoming a monster.

Edit: This is being misinterpreted. He's not a monster for cheating. It's a metaphor. His morals changed. That's why they included it.

123 Comments
2024/03/26
09:05 UTC

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Remember the air raid on Norwich towards the end of Part 2 that the guys watched from base?

Personal story from my family here. My granddad was a master sergeant stationed at Shipdham as a crew chief. On the night of that raid they had a catastrophic fuel leak in a hanger, resulting in an inch of aviation gasoline covering the hanger floor. As bombs were falling and tracer rounds and flak were going up nearby, they were in the hanger with mops and buckets mopping up high octane av gas. Imagine the fumes! They were basically inside an aerosol bomb.

Really appreciate the show's nod to the ground crews. That was my grandad, at 22 years old, keeping B-24s in the air.

4 Comments
2024/03/26
04:07 UTC

106

I can't believe history geeks get so worked up about the lack of B-17Gs with chin turrets...

...when y'all should be getting worked up over Rosie Rosenthal having a mustache. There's nothing in the historical record to suggest such a thing ever happened!

105 Comments
2024/03/26
01:45 UTC

13

Brig Gen Charles McGee

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/brigadier-general-charles-mcgee I met him at the museum, and he was a super cool guy. I hope his grandson made it into the USAFA which was his grandson's dream.

3 Comments
2024/03/26
00:45 UTC

114

John "Bucky" Egan wearing the fez he picked up in Algeria after Regensburg, The Buffalo News, Sept 2, 1943

7 Comments
2024/03/25
22:49 UTC

52

Pilots opinion on flying bombers

One thing I found interesting in the first episode was how excited the guys were to get to Europe. They had no idea what was in store for them.

Several years ago I was watching a WW2 documentary (can’t remember which one) and one of the pilots whose story was narrated talking about flight school said how all the guys assigned as fighter pilots were happy while the guys as bomber pilots hung their heads.

So my question is at what point in the wardid pilots start realizing being a bomber pilot was as close to a death sentence as one could get in the military?

36 Comments
2024/03/25
20:18 UTC

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Looking for Munster Raid article "One Out of Thirteen", Stars and Stripes 1943

In reading this recounting of the Munster raid by Al Harris, he mentions an article in stars and stripes by Rosie Rosenthal called "one of thirteen." I paid for the star and stripes archives and tried doing a bunch of searches but came up empty. Would be great to dig up this article.

https://www.alharris.com/stories/munster.htm

" The pilot that flew the plane for the 100th, I didn't even get the plane number, everything was so mixed up when we were on this mission, and later on in the Stars and Stripes, there was an article, this must have been around the 1st of November, probably, 1943, if you care to check on it, and the name of the article is "One Out of Thirteen," and he wrote the whole story about the mission, his part in it, and he never even mentioned me, which I thought was kind of an oversight, but I suppose he thought that I was not even from his group so I didn't count."

1 Comment
2024/03/25
20:11 UTC

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Thoughts on the book?

Hi guys!

I just finished MoTA and I've been wondering, is the book worth it?

I've read some reviews online and some people say they were disappointed, while others say it depicts what happened really well. What do you guys think?

49 Comments
2024/03/25
18:41 UTC

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Col. John "Bucky" Egan Provides a Firsthand Account of his First Shuttle Raid

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2024/03/25
18:01 UTC

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Photo of then Colonel Benjamin O. Davis, Jr. giving a mission briefing to the Tuskegee Airmen of the 332nd Fighter Squadron

7 Comments
2024/03/25
16:34 UTC

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