/r/mahjongsoul
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/r/mahjongsoul
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Hi everyone! I wanted to say I started playing the game two weeks ago and I've been having a blast. It's the perfect mix between skill and luck, and its one of the very few ranked games where you don't have to constantly feel like you're going to have a heart attack in order to perform well.
I went into the game blindly and I'm just figuring my way around each match. I got to Adept and started getting swept by people who know what they are doing in Silver lobbies. So far, I'm loving it.
However, I can't believe that the game won't let me play if I simply run out of currency. I'm bad; I'm bound to lose games until I figure what works best. I know I should fold more often but figured that since I'm just getting started, might as well make every possible mistake now. Is there really no way around this? Like, I just get 4th in a game and that's it for the day? I wouldn't have spent all my currency in buying stuff for bonding if I knew it was just going to be like this. I guess it's a bit too late.
Really wish this event lasted longer because it's been a blast.
Yesterday, I had a game where I dealt into other people's hands six times (replay stats say seven, but it seems to be including a round I ended in noten). That's... Pretty bad, to put it lightly; I went from an early lead of nearly 50k points to last place with less than 10k, before managing to get back up to 3rd place in the very final round.
The thing is, I don't know how many of these were due to bad play on my part, and how many were just really bad luck; three times were before turn 10, the latest two were on turn 11, and only one of them was after the opponent had declared riichi. (And that's one of them I'm most sure probably wasn't due to bad play on my part.)
I know that I'm not that great of a player yet, and that I can sometimes play recklessly and need to improve my defense. (I pay attention to things like safe tiles and suji when I try to play around riichi, but sometimes I push my luck to keep a good hand and end up paying for it, for example.) I try to not just blame everything on bad luck, and to look for things which I could have done differently. But in this case, I'm not even sure how many of these were actually defensible. So I decided to post here; hopefully I'll either improve my gameplay, or at least entertain some people with my misfortune.
Game replay, for anyone interested: https://mahjongsoul.game.yo-star.com/?paipu=jmkmmn-ttv5u77a-y95e-64bi-heca-fnmtrovoyxwo_a824129520_2
And some summaries of all the rounds I dealt-in, and my own analyses of them, for good measure.
East 1 Honba 1: Turn 6 deal-in; they had made two calls, one of which was their seat wind. I think this was more bad luck than bad play? I don't know; it seems like this would have been a bit early to go on the defensive, and given that I had a hand that was all the same suit except for two tiles discarding one of those two for another tile of that suit seems like the obvious choice, but maybe I underestimated the danger.
East 4 Honba 0: Turn 7 deal-in; player had just declared riichi and I had no 100% safe tiles, so I discarded a tile of my seat wind, which was not the prevalent wind... And got ron'd. I feel like this one's safe to put down as bad luck and that I picked the tile most people would have discarded here, really.
South 2 Honba 0: Turn 9 deal-in; player had two calls of 123 sequences, and I discarded a 2 of the suit they hadn't already called. I'm not sure whether this was a blatant mistake on my part or not; while it was the least useful tile to keep in my hand, I probably should have paid more attention to that player's calls at the very least, since it only occurred to me what they were and what I had probably just did after hearing the "Ron!" and right before the results confirmed that I gave them a mixed triple sequence (and a fully outside hand for good measure).
South 3 Honba 1: I actually didn't deal-in this time, but the game went to an exhaustive draw and I was the only one with noten at that point, so I lost 3000 points anyway. One person had declared riichi, so I prioritized playing safely over trying to reach tempai, figuring that at least one of the other two players probably wouldn't have tempai either. Looking at the replay, though, turns out that one of them had tempai by my turn 11 and the other had it by my turn 13, and actually had much more dangerous waits than the person who declared riichi (who had a kanchan wait with two of the tiles already discarded by other players).
South 3 Honba 2: Turn 11 deal-in; other player had a single call, and after calling chi I discarded the dora tile in my hand despite some misgivings, because after making that call my hand was two more sequences, a pair, and 568s, with the 8s being the dora. Given that I was still in the lead at this point at 35200 points, I thought that it was better to go for the ryanmen wait without the dora bonus over the kanchan wait so I'd be more likely to end the game sooner, and the 5s seemed like a risky tile to discard even if it wasn't a dora. (And watching the replay, it turns out my instincts were correct there at least, because another player was waiting on the 5s apparently, so either discard option to achieve tempai would have caused me to lose here. Their hand would have even been at least as many han as the one I did deal into, I think, but they weren't the dealer so it would have been fewer points lost anyway.)
South 3 Honba 3: Turn 4 deal-in; I discarded a 1s because I also had 24s and thus didn't need it. Unfortunately, the dealer had reached tempai that same turn apparently. ...I feel like this one, at least, is safe to put down entirely to really bad luck. (Or really good luck for the dealer, to get tempai that early and for me to have happened to throw away other superfluous tiles first, including a terminal that was redundant in the exact same way the 1s was, unwittingly saving the one they specifically needed precisely long enough. Maybe that player was blessed, rather than me being cursed.)
South 3 Honba 4: Turn 10 deal-in. My hand was entirely manzu except for a single 7p, and I drew a 6m to replace it with and reach tempai; unfortunately, 7p was exactly the tile the dealer needed. (And apparently they reached tempai after my turn 6, where out of 467p and the manzu tiles I decided to discard the 4p. If I had discarded the 7p back then it would have been safe, but it seemed like it was better to get rid of the tiles closer to 5 sooner rather than later, and if I decided to abandon chasing the full flush a 67 seemed better to have than a 46.) Without a riichi declaration and with only one other player having made any calls, I feel like getting into tempai (even if it was a very weak tempai, I could have tweaked it as I drew more tiles) made sense, and the rest of my hand was 111567m plus the 6m I drew, so it's not like I had any safer discards other than breaking up my triplet, but... Maybe there's something I'm missing?
South 3 Honba 5: Turn 11 deal-in; player had discarded down to a single tile and had been there for several turns, swapping out what they were waiting on a couple of times. The funny/painful thing about this one is that I actually foresaw exactly what happened; on my turn 9, after calling pon for South tiles, I discarded a West tile, and then considered the possibility of that person deciding to be clever and making their wait a West tile, an honor tile that someone else had already discarded one of, after seeing that, because even though there'd be fewer copies of the tile they needed out there, they'd be something people were much more likely to discard if they actually drew those tiles. But when I drew another West only two turns later, I figured that so little time had passed that it should be a safe discard again... Only for it to be a deal-in after all. But at least it wasn't to the dealer this time. (Also, looking at the replay, it turns out that player was using that strategy I thought they might employ even before swapping to the West tile; initially they were holding a South tile, and they kept it until they drew a red dragon, presumably because one red dragon had already been discarded while no South tiles had been yet. Then on the turn right before I drew that second West tile, they also drew a West tile and swapped out the dragon for it, presumably because it would be even more likely to be discarded. Though I bet they were probably surprised at how quickly that swap paid off.)
Edit: As has been pointed out, I was too tunnel visioned on the second West discard and overlooked how dangerous the first one and the second East discard both were. Those were definitely very dangerous moves on my part.
So... Yeah. If nothing else, going over all this actually has me feeling a bit better about this game. In the moment, it was really demoralizing, because it seemed like if I was dealing in so much then I had to be doing something wrong. Examining each one again individually, though, I think that my decision-making generally made sense based on what I could see at the time, or at least wasn't as bad as it felt it must be while the game was going on.
pretty self explanatory. i just started playing last night and I'm a bit confused as to what you're supposed to use coppers on.
is it just for character content or something, or does it have any usage when it comes to Mahjong. jw if it's completely ignorable for f2p.
Asking this mainly cuz of the ending for this hand.
Spoiler warning:
Decision: >!riichi'ed east, I can see toimen probably riichi with some pinzu flush so I think riichi with pinzu wait also is fine. initially I cut 9s dama, but 1z seemed more dangerous, might as well riichi!<
Ending: >!played 3p, got double ron-ed, and toimen has nine gates :(!<
East 3: https://mahjongsoul.game.yo-star.com/?paipu=jmkmmn-v010u5u9-69bd-63c5-hkll-ghrgksuwozso_a909909309_2
I was thinking about it since the time they ponned the White Dragon, I didnt ask for my thought to manifest itself 😭😭
Is it bad luck or am I doing something wrong when I keep on ending up in 4th place, but my deal-in rate is not changing, only that my win rate has decreased 0.07%
Literally just multiple 4th places in a row because all my hands either suck or I just can't win any good hands.
I really don't think I'm doing anything wrong. I fold when when my hand sucks, I push when my hand is really good if I'm in 3rd or 4th place...just that I never win when I'm in tenpai or in riichi
EDIT: bad luck streak finally ended...everything is back to normal.
https://mahjongsoul.game.yo-star.com/?paipu=jmkmmn-245y7w76-87d1-6fej-fkii-gilokmqrrpwy_a823613033_2
So I got double richii, comfortably waiting. The other guy feed 2 dragons, my fricking richii hand feed him the last and got KO. Enjoy
escaped fourth by the skin of my teeth