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I've been re-watching the first series and noticed this little detail.

At the end of episode 4, Elliot gets an email from Leslie Snow who happened to be at the same location when the bomb went off that ended up killing Kathy and she sends him the pictures to try and help.

Elliot goes to the computer to see the images and opens up his emails and has a bunch of other emails there but you can only really make out who they are from, except the last one that was sent from Diego Morales to the OC squad and it's such a sweet message with him trying to rally them all to go to a gallery event that Jet has coming up that she has told them isn't important.

It's the smallest little bit of character development that is on screen for a couple of seconds, there to be missed but they took the time to have this character already caring about Jet and the rest of the team, because he even suggests they all get a drink afterwards and chat outside of work.

This show deserves so much more love than it gets.

So it will be 10 episodes, but ngl, lowkey I’m actually scared because what do they mean with the last tittle 🥲

This has been on my mind since the showrunner issue and after what I've seen on my tl today I'm pleading you guys to PLEASE not take everything we say on here as "fact" / "truth" 😭 We are merely discussing the show - we are fans and just as clueless as you guys

I've seen quite a lot of you tweeting screenshots of our discussions/ opinions and interpreting them very wrong and it's causing a bit of chaos and unnecessary stress over there (and now they dragging our sub too because of it 😔)

No one, except maybe the ones who have said they work on the show, know what is happening. What we're discussing here is pure speculation and shouldn't be taken as a fact.

And even then (no offence to these people) I would take what some of those who claim to be part of the crew with a pinch of salt too because they themselves aren't really sure what's going on with the higher ups and the logistics of things, and maybe some of them are lying IDK!

Please CREW MEMBER tell us something im going crazy !! I really need to know when the season will drop😭😭 PLEEEEASEEE

idk why I really like jet maybe cause im autistic too but I think she is as well and that's why she's a genius with the tech its a high functioning condition where you are a prodigy at something and rlly smart. so yea I think her character is but I love her.

So, a couple days ago I dropped a post here with my thoughts on season 1, season 2, and the Eamon Murphy arc in season 3. Having finished season 3 and half of season 4 (besides the casino arc in S3, I skipped that), I thought now would be a good time to drop the second half of my thoughts.

I'm just starting the honey farm/Emery arc, so that will be added to this post in an edit or as a comment when I finish it in a day or two.

Season 3 - Biker gangs (9/10)

It was pretty fun, but stand-alone episodes don't work all that well in OC. I'm also not sure why the ballistics tech, Bruce, got so much screen time. Especially with the coding of the 3d printer. Felt like it was going somewhere, especially with all the innuendos about his relationship with Jet in this and prior episodes, but ultimately failed to deliver. Also not quite sure what the cache of AKs that the ATF were tracking was going to be used for. Were they just another batch of weapons for Los Toros? Overall, fun episode, but should have been a longer story arc.

Season 3 - Chinatown (8.5/10)

Well, it's an arc alright, but two episodes was NOT enough. The subplot with the Chinese dad looking for his kid took up way too much time. Quan was too sloppy, and for little reason. Quan should have gotten away after the auction (or even better, been caught but silver tongue his way out by claiming he had no idea about any illegal activity). Then he can be hunted down by OCTF as he scrambles to save the situation.

Season 3 - Gay club robberies (7.5/10)

Not bad, but again, stand-alone episodes really don't fit with OC. I liked the cold open of an OC case in-progress, we should get more of that. The ending, with the clubs being linked to money laundering and a mob debt, was not set up properly. Decent filler episode.

Season 3 - Indian dignitary (4/10)

SO many problems. First, I'm almost certain that NYPD has their own dignitary protection unit. And even if they don't, isn't escorting foreign dignitaries a Fed job? Yes, yes, I know, OCTF specializes in surveillance - which doesn't really help when you're in the motorcade! The sewer community was interesting, but beyond that, there's not much positives here. There were way too many twists in the story. Like, who hired the bomber? Russia, or India? And not to be repetitive or anything, but standalone episode.

Season 3 - Green Haven murder ring/Shadowerk (9/10)

Not a bad arc. Chief McGrath is an self-serving ass, but a well written one. I liked the idea of brass meddling in the investigation and making everything more difficult though. I have no idea what the Kathy hallucination in 3x20 was supposed to do.

I'm conflicted about Whelan's death. On the one hand, this is OC, it's pretty dark, and losing a member of this close-knit team makes for pretty good character development. On the other hand, a character whose name is not Bell, Stabler, or Jet is getting fleshed out, and losing him means losing a lot of character development. I would've liked him to be disabled enough that he can't work in PD anymore, but not be dead. Also, whoever planned that last raid needs to be fired. Why do you only have one medic?!?

Finally, why did we need Kyle alive to shut down the website? Surely Jet could have done it once she had access to Kyle's computer.

Season 4 - Los Santos lab (7/10)

Not bad for an opening. Espinoza is an idiot though for trying to have Tweak drive on the curb in front of a bunch of cops. Who are also idiots, given how long it takes for them to react to gunfire from the semi-truck driving on the curb. Now we're in the squad room, and we see how the team is handling Whelan's death. I liked how everybody unanimously told Vargas to choose a different desk when he came in and began setting up at Whelan's desk. That said, we could've used a lot more character development. Keep that in mind. It'll be addressed in more detail later.

Fentanyl overdoses were so overdone. Seriously - almost every member of the team overdosed at some point during the episode. And why wasn't Narcan issued to the officers raiding the lab? Or hazmat gear. At least give them masks.

Season 4 - Afghan emerald smugglers (8/10)

I love Bashir, and I hope he becomes an integral member of the cast. Spoiler:>!only for a couple arcs unfortunately.!<I am a bit suspicious of how Ghani's crew were able to hide the fact that they kept flying the same guy from Afghanistan to NYC and back again. Should've raised some red flags at some point. I guess they had someone from Customs/Immigration or the State Department on their payroll. Decent arc overall.

Season 4 - Los Santos witness (8.5/10)

Yay, character development. But it's for Stabler, again. Mm ... sure, I'll take it. But spread the love around a little, will ya? And why is Elliot the bad guy for trying to get his phone back from Randall?

As for the actual OC case, it's meh. Premise is great, but I got a few pet peeves. First, why is the Sex Crimes Bureau (Carisi) handling this organized crime case? Fine, I get it if you can't convince the prosecutors from L&O to come over, but you had some ADA actors from the Albanians arc that you could have invited back. Six people (five once Stabler gets kicked off) is not enough for a protective detail. Especially when the two Feds get gunned down within seconds. Should've lived a bit longer. At least they brought vests, unlike our main characters.

I kinda liked the detectives trying to make the daughter and son feel comfortable. Should've made the scenes a bit longer for more character development. The daughter's a brat, but eh, teenagers. Reasonable characterization. I like that Jet still looks awkward in the field. Might just be me, but when she shot the gangbanger in the window, it felt like she was operating on instinct and her brain was a second behind.

Actually, I revise my statement. The witness protection was alright, if you erase the last five minutes or so. I have no idea why the son decided to shoot Stabler - that sounded more like the daughter's thing to do, if anything. It strains credulity that Jet would have missed the gun that was half out of the shooter's waistband (speaking of guns, where did the subgun she confiscated go?) And the whole IAB suspension/investigation was stupid. Honestly, I don't even think what Stabler did would have caused such grievous injury. And again, Bell should have brought a vest along.

Season 4 - Westbrook (6.5/10)

It was somewhat interesting - corrupted small town and all that. Not really something fit for OC though, and the IA subplot is still annoying. Also, pretty sure private prisons aren't even legal in New York state. I did like the character development of Jet through Heidi in 4x06.

Miscellaneous Notes:

Character development. It's really really lacking. Can we please get a character-centric episode on someone not named Stabler? As it is, most of the character development comes from a line of dialogue here and there. Most of it in regards to Jet, and in that case, we have too much information and it starts to contradict itself. Like, we know she's an artist, but she's been stated to do graffiti, graphical design, and whatever that piece from 1x01 (the one with a really poetic name. Umm, "We have nothing but thoughts and memory between us." Can't quite tell what it is supposed to be). I guess graffiti and graphical design can be pretty similar so it's only two art styles, but it feels like they throw out those one-liners too much. Many times to justify Jet knowing how to do something. Honestly, it would be interesting if someone made a compilation of all the Jet lore so far. Most of it is just so random.

Now this might be controversial, but the affair between Jet and Reyes is honestly good character development, if it was changed up a little. Looking back at Jet's interactions with Malachi, Jet feels like the type of person to initiate stuff. Kinda like, "enough talking, let's just make out already" sort of vibe. And I can see that happening between Jet and Reyes. I also see Jet as being both more conservative and more open in her relationships at the same time. Basically, it is harder for you to get to the point where she cares about you, but once you hit that point, she really cares (which is also why Seamus from the Murphy arc hit her so hard. She didn't love him, but she really cared about his well-being.) So personal headcanon, in 4x01 Reyes initially visits Jet to make sure she's okay after the OD, emotions start coming out again, and then Jet initiates the actual sex stuff, likely after liberal amounts of alcohol (remember, she was drinking before Reyes even showed up). This also preserves both characters better - Reyes isn't actively wrecking his own marriage, and Jet knows better, but they've reached the point where feelings just keep taking over. They're both flawed, not just Reyes (whereas as written, it feels like Reyes starts everything).

Speaking of Malachi, I like Vargas, but I want Malachi back. Maybe he violated his parole (which to be honest, he was doing throughout Season 2) and got sent away for a year or two. But he had really good, sincere interactions with Jet, which we haven't really seen at all.

Reyes and the divorce was kinda out of left field. I mean, it was coming, given his affair with Jet. But we don't really see how there were problems even before Jamie's death. And again, that's a dearth of character development.

Anyway, that kinda rambled. But yeah, pet peeve, way too little character development. Bell and Reyes both deserve a character-centric episode or two. Even Jet, to be honest. One-liners are interesting and all, but they are also too easy to miss. That, and scenes about their personal lives. Stabler may be distracted by work half the time, but at least we see him with family and what not. Can't say the same for the rest of the cast anymore.

Since it seems like season 5 is the last one, what is your ideal ending for Stabler? He got a crappy one the first time he left so I'm really hoping OC does him justice.

So I recently started watching OC and I gotta say, the plotlines are chef's kiss (mostly). At least S1 and S2. Still watching S3. Thought I'd leave my thoughts, see if y'all agree, disagree, or have different interpretations.

Season 1 (9/10)

I skipped the SVU backdoor, but it's pretty understandable anyway. Not much in the way of team dynamics, but most of them didn't stick around anyway, so ... . I loved how OCTF kept closing in but Wheatley was just always one step ahead.

Now, the issues. I didn't particularly understand how the Wheatleys covered up the illegal vaccines in 2x02 and 2x03. Who tipped Wheatley that NYPD was going to raid the dessert factory? Where'd all the vaccines go afterwards? And how in the world did Wheatley get a second batch without OCTF noticing?

The final takedown was great though, and I liked how the last episode depicts that an arrest doesn't necessarily end the investigation. Morales being in Wheatley's pocket was so random though. They should've had a bit more leadup for it. Like maybe he tipped Wheatley to the raid at the dessert factory and implied that OCTF had a mole (Gina). The tie-in to the Marcy Killers was great also.

Oh, I also would have liked a mention of where Washburn went. I guess he got returned to Narcotics because his job (taking down the Wheatleys) was done.

Season 2 - Albanians (10/10)

This one was great. A bit short - Gina was undercover for two years, Nova for six, but Stabler is under for maybe a third of a year and he busts an entire criminal org? But that's just TV doing TV things. I liked how the Albanian arc also began setting up the Marcy Killers. I loved Stabler's interactions with Reggie and Albi. They were sympathetic to some degree, and there was respect on all sides. The depiction of what happened to Reggie at the end was absolutely beautiful. I do think the thing with the court reporter was a tad horseshoed, but I forgive it.

Cons: I think the Harbor Patrol opening was kinda stupid. You're telling me that the cops just conveniently forgot about the four folks in police uniforms that weren't part of their unit? I was hoping the whole thing was staged to build Stabler's bona fides. But it was interesting enough, so I'll forgive it. The whole Eddie Wagner son thing just fizzled. Didn't add anything, didn't subtract anything. Would've rather had more screen time with Nova and the Marcy side of things tbh.

Season 2 - Wheatley 2.0 (0/10 1/10)

Why? Just ... no. Actually, I'll return one point for the foundational idea. I like Wheatley murdering his son, goes to show how vindictive he is. Could've been in jail, but I think it's fair to say that Marcy Killers protected Richie Wheatley from his father in Rikers, and with their rise in the criminal underworld, they had the power to keep even Wheatley Sr. away. I also do like how Angela realizes Wheatley is basically a parasite and kills herself to get rid of him.

Now McClane, there’s a good character. Should have been a L&O case with an abbreviated court scene (maybe only plea negotiations, no actual trial). That plotline was interesting, up until the FBI decided to just shove McClane into some random truck without checking. Seriously? Sanchez and the other 2 from the season 1 finale (killed transporting Wheatley to the US Attorney) were idiots, but they were at least taken by surprise and you could argue they might not be the best of the best. The team you assign to take down the most wanted man in the state should probably be top notch. Ugh.

Season 2 - Marcy Killers (8/10)

Was a solid nine and creeping toward ten, but fell back down because of its ending. I really liked Nova and her brother. But it feels like they split the storyline up, tried to sprinkle it throughout, and realized they were too conservative and ran out of time. I would have liked more details on what happened to Nova’s father (and maybe mother? They might have died together). Nova shooting her brother was cold, but also the best thing that could have happened.

Couple open questions: Was Pastor Riley in NYC for the six years that Nova was UC, or did he move from Chicago? Do they even have a life back home? Why’d Webb vanish? Why were cops from the 3-7 outside Stabler’s apartment? (he wasn’t blown to the Brotherhood yet.)

As for what I wanted more of, first, more of Nova being a criminal. Stabler already toes the line, Nova seems to be straddling it, or even barely keeping one foot on the right side. Hell, she helped execute one of the Italian gunrunners. Honestly, her being the new head of Marcy would have been an interesting season 3, especially if she’s dealing with rebellious VPs. Which ties into the second item, more on the other Marcy Killers. We see Chopper is a vocal and arrogant idiot, but that’s about it. What about Nova and her relationship to Hugo? It’s barely touched on even in 2x16 (when the lawyer is killed). Third, a proper roundup. Besides Kilbride and Mrs. Webb, the rest of the Marcy Killers just vanished. Finally, more on Mrs. Webb. It’s heavily implied that she is a silent partner in Marcy, but we don’t really see it at all. Hopefully she makes a comeback - I don’t think the hit against Stabler was her doing, she probably just had control over the funds that Mr. Webb used.

Season 2 - Brotherhood (9/10)

I really like the categorization of Donnelly and the subplot of Stabler learning about his father. Santos, too. Reminded me of the Blue Templar from season 1 of Blue Bloods. That said, the rest of the Brotherhood was kinda sparse, and the Marcy connection was tenuous.

I guess the implication is Donnelly primarily looks out for himself but shares just enough with others to keep them close. Thought it was a tad forced. Honestly, this would be a 7.5, but Donnelly’s relations with Stabler pushes it back up. Like how Donnelly named his kid after Stabler, and their dialogue before he stepped in front of the train (holy shit that scene was something). Absolutely carried the arc. Part of me does think it should have been scrapped and they should have gone all in on the Marcy arc though.

Season 2 - Miscellaneous Thoughts

The subplot of the phones during the Albanians arc was beautiful. I wish that was extended, given how much of the criminal underworld OCTF delivered their phones to.

Really like Malachi, I wish he stuck around longer. I do like how his relationship with Jet developed. I was wondering why Jet was so awkward when she was dropping off the sneakers but I realized that the previous times she was in Malachi's house, she broke in. I don't think we've ever seen Malachi actually answer his door. Malachi visiting Jet after she shot Moss was pretty sweet though, especially since I think he was violating his parole (again).

Jet having more field experience this season was … interesting. Thoughts and headcanons below in the Murphy arc section because I wrote that first. Nothing I‘d complain about though. I will say, I’m not a firearms expert or anything, but the way Jet shot Moss really gave the vibe of an inexperienced agent reacting instinctually.

There‘s not enough for me to judge whether I liked Cho and Maldonado or not. They were just … there.

Season 3 - Murphy (6/10)

Not bad, but highly unsatisfying ending. I bailed on the whole real estate storyline midway through 3x02, but I kinda enjoyed Teddy during this arc.

A bit more conflicted on Jet and field work. Personal headcanon, she has a gold shield because she’s a super talented hacker and NYPD didn’t want her getting poached and civilian consultant didn’t garner the proper respect. She was working remotely during 1x01 because she mainly helped the Intelligence Bureau’s overseas operations, but once the task force was set up she began to work on-site. Is that realistic? IDK, but it works for me. I think with how small the OCTF is - headcanon #2, their work is highly classified so they keep the unit small - it is reasonable that Jet has been forced into field roles here and there. Maybe Jet going undercover was never even in the cards, but she was so good with dealing they decided to have her be a dealer, and things just fell into place. The whole thing with Seamus though, that was great. The Santa Fe angle was beautiful, and the ending reminds me of Season 1: everyone dies. Loved it, don’t change a thing. I do headcanon that while Jet cared for Seamus, it wasn’t romantic (for her at least. For him? Sorry man.)

Now for Murphy and the meat of the case. On the one hand, I like the idea of OCTF getting the short end of the stick. On the other hand, it made for a very unsatisfying end to the arc. Except making Seamus’ assassination even more tragic. Speaking of which, I guess he wasn’t protected because there was no case.

Well, that’s everything I’ve gotten to so far. I‘ll probably make another post on the other stand-alone arcs in S3. Hopefully they’re better, because this Murphy arc was not it.

Posted 10 minutes ago. Wrapped and Spring release. Hopefully we get a date soon 🤞

I'm actually having LITERAL withdrawals I NEED MY DAMN LAW AND ORDER OC ALREADY!!!! It was like YAY the writers ban is over my law and orders and Chicago PD is back!!! Then JK NO OC FOR YOU TILL NEXT YEAR. I can't take iiiiit

Based on updates on X by the OC crew, Season 5 filming is over.

Peacock - can we get a promo soon? Also, a premiere date? Pretty please!

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Can we please talk about how hot daddy Stabler is

I keep seeing comments across platforms of people assuming OC will get canceled after this season. Why? Did I miss some something? I know there have been A LOT of challenges, but there's a big audience for this show.

I'm also seeing people say that the shows have completely dropped the EO relationship. Does everyone think it's over or will they end up together in the very end? The current lack of any mentions is dumb, but they've gone too far down the road of showing that these two characters have very strong feelings for each other to turn back... or end up with other people.

From dean's instagram - so cute!!

Ok- “Eddie’s” son just approached Stabler and told him he’s his son. I thought they made up the character Eddie Wagner for Stabler’s under cover persona. I didn’t realize they used a real person’s identity. And how did “Eddie” and Reggie get so close? Like how was Eddie introduced to be this close to the family? I’m loving this branch of Law and Order!

It reminded me of how annoying Olivia was when she appeared.

I hope she is no where near season 5

Apologies if it’s already been asked - is there an official start date for January?

I feel like every season has their strengths that would make it anyone's favorite depending on which one.

Season 1 has a good Focus on Elliot and the Wheatleys. I guess the only real weakness is Jet doesn't get much to do.

Season 2 splits the story into three arcs: Elliot's undercover, concludes the Wheatley arc, and ties in perception to stop the Brotherhood, but I know some people have issues with the ending of two of these arcs.

Season 3 adds Jamie and Reyes, has the crossovers, and several different arcs that at least tie into one member of the cast: Reyes gets the fake cops, Jamie the racers, Jet and Ayanna against Murphy, with the Casino arc, Chinatown arcs and Shadowerk arcs being more about the story. The only real downside I hear is that some people think the storylines were too and too much messy (saw the OC bits of that 7 hour videos), but it didn't bother.

Season 4 streamlines the cases down to Bashir's introduction & the Los Santos arc, the Westbook and Bonner arc, and concludes with the Farm and Emery plots.

Curious to see everyone's takes.

Hey all! For any fellow Canadians, where can I watch season 1? Seasons 2-4 are available on Prime w/ Citytv+, but season 1 is "unavailable due to expired rights"