According to a report, 3 of the of the 4 implicated were liberals. Granted 1 was a conservative, although retired.

Why haven’t we seen this spoken about at a higher level?

What are your thoughts?

I'm a Liberal who frankly would have liked if Trudeau had gone last year. But let's be honest with ourselves, doing a leadership change now doesn't do us any good at all. Every day that this speculation is in the news, and it hurts us.

I hate to be a downer, but we also have to face the fact that we are probably going to lose the next Federal Election. So, instead of trying to remove Trudeau now, those MPs who signed the letter that may or may not exist should let him be the sacrificial lamb and instead focus on the future and who's next.

The LPC can't be in the wilderness for 12 years like we were after Chretien/Martin, so it's time to start trying to find the person who can take down Poilievre in 29’.

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There is some debate within the federal Liberal Party of Canada right now if Trudeau should stay on as leader.

Aside from that the polls are not looking good for the party under Trudeau's leadership in regards to the next federal election.

Regardless of when at some point the LPC will have new leadership.

What would you like to see out of the next leader/leadership team of the party?

For myself:

1. Don't just accept everything the business lobby tells you... Trudeau spoke against many of the problems of the Temporary Foreign Worker Program when the first scandal hit under Harper. Then under him the Temporary Foreign Worker Program/International Mobility Program was greatly loosened in standards and expanded in numbers. This isn't even speaking about how the International Student Program and other programs allowing people into this nation became cheap exploitable labour pipelines.

2. Much like the first point you need to be less trusting of city councils/mayors and provincial ruling parties/premiers. If they are controlled by NIMBY special interests that refuse to address zoning/density, updating and modernizing city planning, and other factors to prize affordability and accessibility of housing as a #1 priority than you utilize both the carrot and the stick approach. (Side note: If provincial governments need to utilize the International Student Program to help fund education than you make sure they crack down (Eliminate) diploma mills. Diploma mills do nothing for education in Canada. In fact they end up damaging the reputation of legit Canadian education facilities and students. They create doubt and harm legit Canadian education facilities and legit Canadian students hard earned credentials. Legit education facilities utilizing the International Student Program should have the available housing on campus to house students so they do not put pressure on the housing market. Additionally you need to make sure students know they are not here to work. They are here to engage in academic pursuits. If they are looking to be considered for the ability to stay in Canada they must study a highly in demand program.

3. Electoral Reform - We get serious about this. The health of democracy is intrinsically connected to representation. Having better and better representation should be an on going and evolving process and we should be looking to create the best framework possible in this regard.

4. Transparency initiatives - We have to put in better mechanisms to support/reward whistle blowers, investigative journalists, and in general stop bad actors. There has been to many scandals not just at federal level politics but also city and provincial levels of governance. Additionally we need to stop the corruptive influence of the business lobby in regards to disconnected and apathetic politicians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozW3FKB66bo

I have not read the book, and I have not followed Stephen Maher prior to this, but I think this discussion with Steve Paikin is great. I watch The Agenda regularly.

Back in 2015, I liked some of Trudeau's stances, but I was radically skeptical that having a, well, *prince*-like figure was a great idea for the reasons Maher articulates in the earlier half of this interview.

A few points from this discussion that stand out to me:

• JT's extraordinary privilege and how it has meant he has a radically different experience of interpersonal relations

• The incredible success of the Child Canada Benefit, which imo Paikin accurately describes as a historical, era-defining policy for many stakeholders.

• Huge backtracking on issues like electoral reform and the degree of centralization of power in government (though they spend zero time interrogating why that might be imo lol)

• The question of whether he is a particularly deep thinker on policy... for context, the pitch for Trudeau that an old friend who is an active LPC member made to me in 2015 was something like "it isn't that JT is some political mastermind, it is that he will create great teams of experts" etc etc

Anyone else watch this?

I don't understand.

"Where a minister of the Crown or the Clerk of the Privy Council objects to the disclosure of information before a court, person or body with jurisdiction to compel the production of information by certifying in writing that the information constitutes a confidence of the Queen’s Privy Council for Canada, disclosure of the information shall be refused without examination or hearing of the information by the court, person or body." - Canada Evidence Act

Parliament is a "body with jurisdiction to compel the production of information". Where is the law exempting them from the Act?

Why is this even an issue in the House?

I hope this message finds you well and prepared to take action in the face of recent challenges posed by the rise of the CPC. As we witness their rise in popularity and influence, it's crucial that we, as a party, focus on developing robust immigration policies that not only counterbalance their extreme right sentiment but also help build stronger, more diverse communities across Canada.

By strategically populating areas with high concentrations of CPC voters with massive immigration, we can create communities where people from diverse backgrounds come together and thrive. This approach will help to dilute the influence of these extremist groups, while fostering an environment of unity, tolerance, and progress within our country.

It's time for the Liberal Party to demonstrate its commitment to Canada's core values: openness, diversity, and equality. By embracing newcomers from around the world, giving them voting right as soon as possible, we can create a stronger political base that not only stands up against extremist ideologies but also champions the rights and freedoms of all Canadians.

Let's show our dedication to Canada and its people by taking bold, innovative steps towards building a better tomorrow. By attracting newcomers to areas most affected by extreme right extremism, we can contribute to creating communities where every individual feels valued and represented within our party. This will ultimately lead them to vote for the Liberal Party in future elections, ensuring that our nation remains true to its core values of unity, compassion, and progress.

Together, we have the power to shape the future of this country in a way that benefits all its citizens. So let's get moving! Let's bring more people into our fold and show them what it truly means to be Canadian – a nation built on unity, compassion, and progress.

Stay strong, my fellow Liberals, and let's continue to work tirelessly for the betterment of Canada and its people in the face of extremism!

For me it's pure math. Taking the 10% redirect into account it isn't hard to believe the top 20% of consumers collectively burn as much as the rest of us, collectively. I'm sure there's a formula for it but when I plug that information into a spreadsheet I find the top 20% would on average, i.e. individually, only be consuming a smidgen more than 1 and a half times as the rest of us, individually. (1.5556 times)

It's the people consuming more than average that are "paying the tax". 80% of us at the very least come out even. Maybe everyone is just guilt tripping, thinking they consume more than average.

Math isn't going to cut it though. The LPC needs to verb the noun or something. Math makes too many folks tune out

I feel very very disillusioned with the Federal Liberals as I strongly believe Trudeau needs to go if they want any chance of winning the next election or staying in power. He’s just made too many mistakes and I’m very tired of him. I have been thinking about switching parties for a bit but the NDP under Jagmeet feel the same way for me. The only way I can seriously consider myself voting NDP is if Wab Kinew is the leader.

I don’t want to vote Conservative as it goes against everything I believe in and the values I’ve built up over the past nearly 10 years. But there is this nagging voice in my head telling it was would be nice to be a winner. I was looking at the Canadian Future party which like is a new minor political party but I’m not big on their whole economic policy and also just simply the fact they’re a minor party. What should I do? I’m also irked with the Ontario Liberals because of how Crombie supporters treated me at Convention and Bonnie basically being Ford 2.0

Do you find commentators online (mainly on Twitter) are too harsh on Trudeau? There are a certain group of commentators like Evan Scrimshaw and Nokha Dakroub who claim to be "Liberals" but all they seem to do is literally shit on liberal supporters in the most condescending way.

Obviously the party isn't polling well, but they make it seem like Trudeau resigning will somehow magically fix the issue.

Thoughts?

https://reddit.com/r/LPC/comments/1dona0h/what_needs_to_be_done_after_torontostpauls/

The cost of living crisis - quality of life crisis.

Housing crisis, Grocery price crisis, Temporary foreign worker/International Mobility Program scandal 2.0 (Along with a host of other programs like the International Student Program)

Large demographics in Canada are impacted by these realities almost daily.

It's not a messaging problem.

Although I am not a Liberal Party of Canada supporter I do think we as nation do better when all the parties are at their best and dialectical dialogue broadens and deepens all of our perspectives.

I look forward to seeing the federal Liberal Party of Canada in the future with new faces, new policies/platform, and new energy to take on the big challenges we face in regards to cost of living/quality of life.

I also hope we see Electoral Reform in the future.

To the Orange Liberals, Green Liberals, and other factions of the party that are looking to make positive developments for workers and the environment I hope the party can move past the corporatist influence.

A High speed rail election would trump a carbon tax or corporate greed election.A high speed line from Windsor to quebec city would bring in all the Ontario and Québec votes in an election.

Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Liberals would get a majority with a promise like that.

Seems like a bad choice and alienates a lot of indigenous voters. What does he bring to the table?

We all know that the Temporary Foreign Worker Program/International Mobility Program, PGWP, General LMAI & Non LMAI Programs, International Student Program, and others are a mess. A very serious mess.

The reality is that Trudeau spoke against the misuse and abuse of these programs back when the first scandal associated with the Temporary Foreign Worker Program happened under Harper.

It was wrong then and it is beyond wrong now.

It has been frightening to see the influence of business interests on governance. There is a frightening level of disconnection, apathy, and frankly corruption in regards to these programs as they have expanded as well as all the loopholes involved.

The federal Liberal Party of Canada has always been a big tent party.

It has Green Liberals - who have an environmental focus.

It has Orange Liberals - those who closely resemble New Democratic Party of Canada policies and perspectives.

It has Blue Liberals - Those who are many times fiscally conservative but socially liberal.

The list goes on and on.

The federal Liberal Party of Canada needs to realize that due to the cost of living - quality of life crisis politics have drastically changed in Canada.

The populace is not interested in half-measures when it comes to reforming these kind of realities. They will punish you astronomically in an electoral sense for being wishy washy in regards to them.

I am hoping that the Prime Ministers Office - Cabinet can wake up to the severity of how the populace is viewing these and other issues.

I also feel it is important to balance points. I will end by noting that I am very impressed with the LPC/NDP Anti-Scab Legislation. This was great to see and we need the federal government to continue to be innovative to see how they can support and strengthen workers in this nation. Yes labour law primarily falls under provincial jurisdiction but like the innovative policies around GST removal on new apartment builds, CMHC standardized blue prints, Loans to developers to help with housing starts in times of high interest rates and other factors that usually hamper construction projects, and incentives to municipalities to build the right type of housing (affordable), we need to continue to be innovative to see how the federal government can help on important areas for regular working people and families.

Assuming you're voting Liberal: In your riding, if an Liberal candidate were not running, would you vote for a NDP candidate instead?

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