First of all my thought, the Control ending is the best. Shepard dies and that is more than sad, I cried hard, but I also cried bc of happiness seeing everyone in Peace. After the Destroy ending it would only be a matter of time until an smilar war would happen.

My question, do you think ME4 will be playable wirh the choices of LE, even if you didnt pick the "main" ending (destroy) ?

So here we are, post-Legendary Edition, post-Mass Effect 4 announcement, post-Andromeda, nine years since the Mass Effect trilogy concluded. It seems now that Indocrination Theory really was just that: a theory, a too-clever fan theory to rationalize a disappointing ending to what had been a fantastic franchise.

And yet, in spite of everything, I want to believe. Sure, a lot of the evidence was a bit of a leap, a heap of conjecture. But so much of it lined up so well. The child on Earth, the starchild on the Citadel, the entire bizarre dreamlike sequence after Shepard gets blasted by Harbinger, the actual dreams. The fact that so much of these games were explicitly about indocrination, maybe the single most recurring motif in the entire trilogy. The fact that the catalyst just presents Shepard with literally the plans of two indocrinated agents but assuring Shepard that, somehow, Shepard can succeed where Saren and the Illusive Man never could. Shepard being alive in rubble (that looks suspiciously like concrete and rebar, not the metal alloys that make up the Crucible/Citadel). Either the writers are even worse than I can imagine or else there's something else going on.

So I remember a rumor that, after the supposed Dark Matter ending got leaked, the lead writers locked themselves in a room and came up with a new ending on their own, no input from the team, and that's why the ending is so terrible. And I have no reason to doubt that. We know the planned ending got leaked, we know EA was trying to get BioWare to rush ME3 out the door.

But I've always suspected, and I've got absolutely nothing to back this up other than the narrative and the theory dovetailing so nicely, that the rest of the writing team, or maybe the entire team including the lead writers, decided to deliberately hint at an ending where Shepard is indoctrinated. Just to keep people guessing. And then, when pressure comes from the fans or maybe even from EA, to get a better ending, they decide to drop that angle.

As much as I would like it, I sincerely doubt ME4 will start in the rubble of London with the Reaper War still ongoing. People would be mad as hell, for one thing. And there was zero hint of that in the promotional material. So I think, if Shepard's indocrintation was ever something discussed in BioWare's writing room, even if it was deliberately hinted at, it's well and truly gone now. Just a too-clever fan theory.

I don't know. I don't want to come across like a Qanon wacko grasping at straws, insisting that something there is zero evidence for is actually an elaborately planned conspiracy. I just think there's a lot of valid textual evidence for IT even if it isn't true in the end, and I think it's likely that it either was intended at one point or else was sort of subtly put there by the rest of the writing team in protest.

-Has Reaper guns

-Has a Reaper IFF

-Has an AI made from Reaper tech

-Emits a constant hum, unlike the silent SR-1.

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To me, it sort of seems like the Elusive man converted the Normandy into a makeshift Reaper for you to cruise around in while being indoctrinated like Saren.

Excited to start re-examining the ending of the trilogy once The Legendary Edition is out!

http://www.masseffectindoctrination.com/

Similar to how the Halo Rings were made to destroy the food/species that fed the Flood, the Reapers should’ve existed to eliminate all life that could possibly fuel/empower another Lovecraft type entity.

Not a whole lot of people here, but I'll give it a try because I would like to have this discussions with people who already subscribe to IT.

First of all, assuming you guys are aware of the Happy Ending and Citadel Epilogue mods that are available on PC, have these mods been smoothly incorporated into your overall interpretation of the ME trilogy?

I use the JAM mod version A, which includes the catalyst conversation, which is the final battle within Shepard's head to resist indoctrination. When Shepard chooses destroy, he succeeds in defeating the indoctrination attempt and fires the Crucible to destroy all Reapers. How the Crucible was actually triggered, and where Shepard physically was is irrelevant, the lines between reality and dream were blurred, much like those drug-trip sequences in Far-Cry games where events within hallucinations correlate to real events.

Reapers are destroyed, but normal synthetics like ED and the Geth are not, because the whole thing about them dying with the Reapers was a indoctrination lie, and what follows is the happy ending where Shepard's squad recovers him from the rubble.

Years later, after a good amount of rebuilding is done, the events of the Citadel DLC take place. Thanks to the CEM mod, all references of on-going Reaper wars have been edited out. Shepard has some unexpected comical encounters, but still manages a nice shore-leave party with his crew, before returning to keeping peace amongst the rebuild efforts across the galaxy.

For me, JAM and CEM fit perfectly with IT. The only short coming is that choosing anything other than destroy should have triggered a critical mission failure screen, also the destroy option should have been triggered by shooting the star child.

I recently played through the trilogy with these mods for the first time, and I was surprised by how amazingly the mods worked with my interpolation of IT and overall ME, and greatly amplified my enjoyment of the series. It's like those moments when a remix or a cover of a song transcends the original.

EDIT: just realized some hold the view that Shepard didn't board the Citadel, and that it was Anderson who activated the Crucible. Which is super cool, because it better explains Shepard's survival, and giving the glory to our bro Anderson instead.

We need mods for our new community r/MEheadcanon

Introctrination theorists welcome!

r/MEheadcanon is a place for people to discuss their own take on the Mass Effect story. This sub is mostly dedicated to narrative discussion and fan fiction. We need people who can be expected to know and enforce our rules.

We also have an upcoming contest for our community's first featured headcanon

please message me if you are interested in either

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So I finished the game about half an hour ago, and I think I have an answer as to why the Reapers would allow Shepard to destroy them by providing the red option.

Throughout the game, the Reaper's most powerful and influential slaves were the ones that believed they had free will, like the Illusive Man, Saren, Protheans who also thought they could control the Reapers. When Reapers forcibly indoctrinate somebody against their will, they create slobbering lunatics like the ones you find on Virmire. In order for their slaves to be as effective as possible, the person being indoctrinated MUST feel like they still have control, which is why indoctrination is so insidious.

So to return to the original question, why did the Reapers give Shepard a choice to end it all? So that he'd be a more effective asset when they turned him. Alternatively, he wasn't exposed enough for them to do a forceful takeover (Virmire shows it takes weeks of exposure to indoctrinate someone against their will), so the Reapers were forced to do it insidiously. If they were doing it insidiously, they had to provide him an option to reject them, but then make the options which favoured the Reapers seemingly irresistible, as they indeed were.

What do you guys think?

Just a thought/theory that occurred to me: Citadel DLC is set a short while after the main story. Everything seems a bit surreal and trippy because Shep is still suffering from the after effects of indoctrination attempts, and it's all a lot more mundane and sombre in reality, and from the perspective of the other surviving crew, given the chaos caused by the war. Plausible?

Did you start at 1 or maybe 2, or even Andromeda. What caught your interest and stay with you! I started with one and never let go

And I wish it was true

I feel like solely feminine species have been done to death.

Will EA and bioware push for shepard's return with ME4? If they use the indoctrination theory and Shepard wakes up to fight once more... I think they have a chance to blow everyone's minds.

Hey all. I've watched the hours of videos of the guy who did all the long documentaries and feel quite convinced that IT could easily be true, at least to others and myself, even though not officially. My only real question is "Why does Shepard's decision matter?" (Other than simply succumbing or resisting indoctrination) basically: what happens next?

The final scenes showing the aftermath are just part of his dream, so those are, of course, not the actual results of his choice.

Yes, he's "a bloody icon" as stated by Miranda in the intro of ME2, but at this point he's just the guy who didn't make it to the beam, somehow survived Harbinger's laser but is in critical condition, is undergoing a final indoctrination attempt, and is likely under rubble (as shown in the breathing scene if the destroy option is chosen). So I just feel that whatever happens, there isn't much he can do afterwards.

•If he succumbs by choosing control or synthesis, then yes, he becomes fully indoctrinated and I guess he could be a tool of the Reapers. Does it matter? He's damn near dead. So what happens?

•If he fights off indoctrination by choosing destroy? Yes, it seems like this is the only option that lets Shepard survive the whole encounter while still being OUR Commander Shepard, but Harbinger let him live specifically for this indoctrination attempt, but if it has failed, he could just come back and zap him again with his laser, setting it "from stun, to kill" (~ Buzz Lightyear, Toy Story). Then it's left to the remaining protagonists to do their best to fire the crucible.

•If he rejects the choices... then what? Just because Starchild says the cycle will continue, that doesn't necessarily make it so, since it's just a dream for Shep. The remaining protagonists should still be trying to fire the crucible.

So I feel like whatever way it goes down, Shepard's probably either toast or a tool of the Reapers, and it's up to the other protagonists to finish things up if they can somehow fire the crucible for real. Hence the question "why does Shepard's Decision matter?"

So, uh, yeah ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I've heard maybe it's up to our imagination after the decision. Almost sounds like under the Indoctrination Theory, there really is no ending. Huge fan of IT, really like how it makes you think.

No final fight with Illusive Man? I can point out the stupid/annoying/idiotic things about the Human-Reaper and maybe even Saren to a minor extent but at least they were still actual bosses.

Thoughts!?

I'm in my first playthrough and try to get the ending for 5000 points, which means I need to get some more % in the MP. 20% to be precisely (if it's not resetting like yesterday, then it would be again 30%...) I'm playing on PC and my username on Origin is Saikx1. If atleast someone could help me, it would be great^^

Hi all,

New to the IT theory and I have to say it's redefining my view of the ending to ME OT. If this was actually what bioware was going for with their writing I think that would be incredible. With my newness, I'm a little confused with the actual ending result then. If this is all in Shepard's head, and given you choose to defeat indoctrination (which is crazy, literally you the player are fighting indoctrination), what happens next? Do the reapers still take over? Or are the destroyed? Do we even have these answers? Is that epilogue scene supposed to signify that organic life won?

Again I'm new to his theory so I may be missing some pieces but just wondering if anyone has any info to fill that hole. Thanks!

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