Why? If there’s one thing I hate, it’s when people just sit there and be lazy for months, and wait until the last minute to do something. Then they stay up like 20 hours and get a way higher grade than me. Even getting 100s on a university STEM assignment. This is especially prevalent in university. I start my stuff the first minute, ever since HS. If something is due months from now, I just start it now. However, the people who just sit there and do nothing, or people who barely put in any effort, still get a way higher grade than me and I’ve been working my ass off on a consistent basis.

And those people are proud of their procrastination too. Some of them legit have no desire to change. And they do the same thing they usually do and still succeed at such a high level. Why? It’s just unfair how people who leave it to the night before just get such good results. It’s like when someone when someone does something wrong or something stupid consistently, but everything works out for them and they never learn their lesson. It’s like being less serious yields higher rewards with 0 time management.

Edit: People might say I sound bitter, but I’ve forced myself to work through the most horrible times of my life and used whatever means necessary to survive through it, losing endless hours of sleep if necessary. Then there’s the people who don’t do a thing, then wait continuously while being lazy then still get better results, basically making me feel all the work I put in was for nothing and is invalid

Quite an odd question for the quiet type, but sometimes I overshare. Maybe I'm compensating for being too quiet that I end up on the other end.

Sometimes I share random things from my day to ignite a convo or small talk but to some it could be misunderstood as me talking about things no one cares about

In all of the cases I've shared my deep feelings I regretted it sooner or later. I considered a diary to talk to without any filters, though it has two problems no reaction and it could be found and read. I dread the thought

It's difficult being an ISTJ you keep to yourself and then wonder why you feel so distant and alone? And yet you can never speak to anyone deeply 'cus you worry it may haunt you. Of course that is assuming they get your consistent methodology of thinking!

There's a debate going on on who would do better in corporate world, one of the questions popped up that I'dlike to ask.

What's the point of tradition if it's hindering our future.

Intj are not willing to stay in a position if there's no possibility of moving forward even if it means completely up and leaving your career for a different one or company suddenly. Not being valued for ideas and situations you see coming can make you leave a job, because you don't feel you're wanted or needed for the skills you're good at. The specific debate of would doing the daily things and keeping the whole structure of things going, be more successful as a person than someone who can sort out the big issues, and implement changes (Depending on your superior) in the long run. But the main question, What's the point of tradition if it's hindering our future. I don't know if that's exactly the mindset of an istj. But that came up , intj don't have an answer to or for.

We are basically the same thing, but some differences can be obvious when you realize you cannot see a benifit to something that Might be beneficial for another

Does anyone have a problem where the mind predicts on what’s gonna happen? I can’t enjoy a surprise if I know what’s gonna happen.

So Short Skirt/Long Jacket by Cake came on on my ride to work and to me it’s very much a feminine ISTJ song. What other songs do you think fit ISTJs (of any gender)?

I am considering SiTe because of how much I think about the past every single day, and want to know if this particular thing applies to you guys as well.

I have never cared if I am right in a room of a hundred wrong people booing me, but just one person pointing out a mistake I made disturbs me easily. Even if it's just that person who knows.

Can anyone else relate here? Because basically any task or mission that I take on, I don't just feel a need, I have to do it right. If I do something wrong, I feel embarrassed, and have to find a way to requite the mistake.

If so, how did you get over it if ever?

I stumbled across the movie Un cœur en hiver or "A Heart in Winter" and was like Stephane (Daniel Auteil) is CLASSIC ISTJ. LOL

What other movies or TV series have an ISTJ as a main character. Preferably things you feel are worth watching and actually enjoyed.

I've been to three different psychologists over the course of my life; the first said I had social anxiety disorder, the second said I had aspergers, and the third said I was a non-violent psychopath, all of them citing pretty much the same ISTJ traits as symptoms of these disorders but saying that I didn't have enough of the other symptoms to be strictly categorised under any specific disorder. Has anyone here undergone a similar experience or have I just outed myself as a bit of a loony?

How do you manage your Ne (and, for extra credit, your Fi)?

I recently discovered I’m an ISTJ, and I’ll try to be concise so Te doesn’t come for me in the replies.

How do you all let your inferior Ne take the spotlight in your mind? For me, I like engaging with puzzles—anything from a Rubik’s Cube or a Legend of Zelda dungeon to solving organizational challenges at work. It feels "varied" to me, but I know it probably looks tame to Ne-dominant types who thrive on exploring wild, new experiences.

I’ve also been fascinated by the dynamic between Fi, Ne, and Si in my life. Last year, my Se-dominant fiancé helped me realize I needed to upgrade my wardrobe. That hit my Fi hard—I internalized it as a personal value ("must upgrade my drip"). For the next two months, I let Ne and Te take over, diving deep into fashion trends, analyzing what fits my age and location, and spending thousands to overhaul my wardrobe. I look great now, but after achieving my goal, all of that effort got "archived" in my Si as a new routine. Since then, I’ve only bought socks and underwear!

Can anyone relate to this? I’m curious to hear your thoughts or stories about how you interact with Si, Te, Fi, and Ne. Thanks for reading!

I've realized that the most important thing for me is how I feel around that person, their energy, presence, movements, and way of walking. I love elegance and sophistication. Dressing and physical appearance, that is, beauty, are important to me but not crucial. Men who have the presence of a prince or women who carry themselves like ladies will attract my attention more quickly.

I'm not sure if this matters to other types and what exactly they look for. I'd love to hear from everyone who reads this.

ISTJs, do you feel passive in life? In the sense that you lack initiative, that you somehow observe life more than actively participate in it? That you actually don't feel like you can change anything. The same applies to people and dating.

There are people I like (though it is not mutual), but I don't have the courage to pursue them out of respect, politeness, and perhaps because I don't believe I'll make a difference. I see that some people are more forward, self confident, daring and they manage to attract the person they are interested in.

Sometimes I feel like a ghost to whom life serves events, jobs, people, and I watch but have little strength to change it. I accept it with some resignation. I often need someone to push me through life.

It's not always like that, but that's the general impression.

I’m a INTP/J with ennegram 5w4

My father is an ISTJ and I have good contact with him we are both witty. My mother base everything of emotions and we always start to argue because she is so detail oriented and hold grudges and think she has me all figured out. My sister is an ISTP and we clash because we are too like.

I have friends who are ISTJ and ENFP. I had some friends who is INFP, ISFP and INFJ, but they meant I didn’t respect their boundaries and got easily offended by small things, but I didn’t know that before they could confront and attack me out of the blue. I think it’s really hard to relate and build a good relationship with feeling based type except ENFP.

I (35F INFP) have gotten to know an ISTJ (37M) over the last two years and started to develop some feelings for him. We kind of work together, but not really. We work for separate companies in different states that are owned by the same larger company. Our teams have started to work together more. Because we work together in some capacity, I’m intentionally moving slow because it could be awkward to tell him all my feelings and deal with the aftermath if he doesn’t feel the same, and then have to continue to lead our teams together.

It does seem like he has some feelings towards me and others have asked me what’s going on with us. He went out of his way to do some things when I was traveling to his company recently: cleaned my rental car, brought me dinner to my hotel, and took me out to breakfast/coffee every morning. I also mentioned in passing to a coworker that I forgot to bring some essential items on this trip and that I'd have to run to the store. He overheard and went to the store during his lunch break and bought the items for me. One of his coworkers told me that she was so surprised by his actions with me because he never does anything like that for anyone else.

In person and having face-to-face conversations flow effortlessly and it all feels very natural/comfortable. Most of our conversations lately happen through texting. I know texting can be difficult to have full blown conversations in, but there’s been a few times now where he’s initiated texting and then will drop off the planet and never reply for weeks. He’ll be reminded of my text when I have to reach out about a work thing in our work group chats or emails. I get super excited whenever we talk and sad when it dies so suddenly, lol.

Anyway, I’ll be traveling to their office in a few weeks and we’ll have some in-person time. I’d like to get some ISTJ perspectives or advice about this overall situation and ground my daydreamy INFP brain, please. This is the only ISTJ I’ve ever met, that I know of. My closest friends are all INFP/ENFP and their advice has been, “just kiss him already!” Haha 🥲

I have a coworker in his 50's that I (30F, 30-something M and 50-something M coworkers) befriended.

He is a nice dude, but has always seemed a bit down and aloof, but over the past 6 months he has started really opening up to us.

He expressed that he feels like an outsider and "never lived a normal life". He skipped two years of school, went to college early and never got much social interaction because he kept to himself. He is upset he never dated, never found a partner, struggled to make friends and now that all of his family has passed away and he has no kids, nieces or nephews or younger cousins, he feels especially lonely that he is the last of the bloodline. The poor man CRIED.

At work he does not always work well with others and easily forms grudges. Another colleague he works with has little patience for his situation and is very confrontational about his poor social skills. He is constantly stressed and gets worked up and takes the most minor things personally.

When he gets really stressed out, he will reach out and ask myself and a bunch of others to hang out, but when we meet up, he feels like he is being a burden to others and says over and over "I need to get my life in order."

How do I get him to feel more comfortable and help him through this crisis?

I do little things like send him videos about things he's interested in, funny puns and riddles (he loves them) and I get him a thoughtful Christmas gift each year. Not just junk or random stuff, but things he collects or likes. Last year he said "Nobody has ever done anything like this for me before. The only greater gift was the day my mom brought me into this world." That was pretty deep and I did not expect that! LOL

There’s lots of great phrases that I (ISTP) associate with ISTJ’s. A pet peeve of many ISTJ’s I’ve encountered is people recognizing a situation, knowing what needs to be done and not doing it. My boss is ISTJ. I tell him all the time that he manages $25 million in sales with 30 sentences. Everyone knows what to expect from him when they see him. Something I’m sure most ISTJ’s are familiar with is people saying to them “I know what you’re going to say! Please don’t say it,” in hopes you won’t say it. Instead of saying whatever it is my boss’s response:

“Sounds like you know the song, but I don’t hear any music.”

He cares about his people and I admire his patience as an ISTJ to not belittle people for seeing what needs to be done and ignoring it. Instead, he makes this sly remark so as to lighten the moment and say what he wants to say without making someone even more defensive. If you’re an ISTJ reading this, I hope it finds you well.

Thanks for reading!

As I (ISTJ Male) said, I’m thin-skinned and prone to overthinking when it comes to trolls/haters online. For example, I can take a bad faith criticism very personally and can end up thinking about it all day.

Furthermore, whenever a joke is made about something about me that I’m self conscious about, I’m liable to get overly defensive over it and seem insecure. Usually taking myself too seriously.

Does anyone else get this way when it comes to this topic or am I an outlier amongst ISTJs?

Hey guys, so I've known this ISTJ guy since med school, we were in the same class. Both currently in our mid-20s working as junior doctors. He approached me back during med school, but I declined the advances the first time since he had a habit of excessively liking & following promiscuous pages on his social media profiles. I knew I'd be constantly comparing myself to other women as a result. I didn't tell him this so as not to make him feel embarrassed & politely said I didn't find us compatible.

Fast forward a bit into our final year of med school, after COVID was over, we started talking again. It was obvious we could have some nice conversations. He makes another advancement after about a month of back and forth texts, and occasional in person meet ups at med school (was super hectic with differing schedules, so actually getting to know him in real time, outside of a college environment, was quite difficult). I accepted to continue talking with the intention of gauging compatibility (I didn't want to rush into a relationship).

We would hang out every now and then, and these were the following issues I faced:

• a lot of the time i felt he'd choose his friends over me, and would ditch some of our plans without prior notification/proper communication to go hang out with his friends.
• was still following promiscuous pages, I noticed some improvement but it was still there...I just wanted it to come from him, to realize it was disrespectful towards me. We had a heated discussion about it & he begged me to give him a chance, to trust him, told me how much he loves me & how he only has place in his heart for one person even after so many years passing. This gave me hope, but I still was self-conscious about novelty wearing off & him losing attraction to me over time. It messed with my head A LOT.
• wanted to specialize in a certain field, but was willing to drop his interests for me, which I didn't want. I know it showcased how important I was to him, but I felt like he'd lose himself for me.
• our conversations a lot of the time were very dry & I felt like I was initiating most of them. It's not really his fault because maybe we just needed to experience other shared activities together.
• language; his and my native tongue are different, it was a bit difficult to communicate sometimes.

My communication tremendously dropped when he didn't follow up on our plans during the final weekend we had after our med school finals. He hung out with friends, didn't even say goodbye before returning to his hometown, even though he knew he may not see me again despite living in the same country. It broke my heart & I was done with feeling like 2nd place all the time. We were supposed to talk about it, but I never got to it as I was going through a lot with family issues.

I sent him a final message after a few months, apologizing for my lack of communication, but also that I don't think we're compatible. This was because I felt terrible when I saw him during our graduation day. I know how much I hurt him since he really seemed oblivious to why I was upset & reacted the way that I did. He said something along the lines of "I don't want to remember the past & as usual, seems like it's my fault, I wish you the best".

I worked with him today, after maybe 9 months since that message. I guess I just got really sentimental. I can't tell if my brain is exaggerating this, but he really felt like a home to me. Maybe it's because of shared experiences we've been through during med school, especially now that everyone is going their own way now.

I felt like he was guarded, but he still started joking with me like he used to, waited for me several times before moving onto a different task, he asked to drop me off home as well since my ride was late (unfortunately they arrived the minute he suggested lol). There's still a softness he treats me with that I know he isn't like with others, even gave me some candy haha, explained certain procedures to me. He was supportive of my goals when I told him how they changed, and gave me some pretty solid advice too. We were always close together, and he'd lean in a little too close to me sometimes. I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to wrap my arms around him and just cry into his chest because I missed him. I know how supportive & accepting he is of me & my flaws, and how he would be ready to apologize several times in the past when I got hurt. He's also much more stable than I am & truly was like my rock in several instances, despite me being scared of depending on him. He told me about his latest achievements, and I felt so extremely happy & proud of him!

The reasons I would give this another go (if he were open to the idea):

• I feel like he has a plan now & knows what he's doing, is following his interests (which I love & admire him more for)
• I feel like he matured, the language doesn't seem to be as much of a problem anymore
• Got to see him in 'real time' outside of med school
• I'm willing to work on my horrible communication skills from the past
• I'm willing to stop telling myself reasons it wouldn't work out & just assess how I actually feel around him, which most of the time is pretty good

I really want to address the elephant in the room, because I may travel out of the country in ~7 months for good. I'm also only working at this hospital's team for another week and a half. We'd still be nearby, but now it's just more accessible.

I'm not really sure how to go about this. I feel like maybe he still loves me, but wouldn't want to risk getting rejected again, so I can't help but feel like the ball is in my court & it wouldn't be fair to expect him to approach me no matter how much he does care for me. I'm also afraid of being rejected by him of course after the pain he went through (which I hate myself for putting him through).

I feel like I would want to have at least one more conversation in person: addressing everything that happened in the past, discussing if it's worth trying again given any new current circumstances.

I think I do love him deep down, I'm just petrified of accepting this, because I don't want to fully trust & be vulnerable with someone then have it broken. The alternative is to be open to a new love in the country I plan to travel to, but my logic is; why keep hoping for something if what you want is right there in front of you? Seems silly to me.

What do you guys suggest? What's the best way to go about this with full sensitivity towards this ISTJ's emotions?

Thank you to anyone who read this far. <3

hey, istj 23F here. it seems like i'm the only istj female i know in my social circle, be it at work or school or within my circle of friends as well... it's so hard to find an istj f. i can't help but wonder why that's the case. also, it makes me feel like i'm more in touch with my masculine side because of this.

hmu if you're an istj f or just wanna be friends in general, i'm open to making any istj friends :)

I took the test about what, 3 years ago? A couple of times and i got istp everytime, except for one time (like a year after that) i got istj. I took it again today and i got istj, did a bit of research on the whole cognitive stuff (im a bit ignorant about this topic as you can see) and now im not sure if i fit in more with the istj or the istps. From what i saw istj are 'smarter' in some ways like discipline or academic stuff and let me tell you that's not me, but i do relate to their other personality treats, leaving out the smart nerd stereotype. On the other hand i also relate to istps on most of their treats as well except that they're less aprensive and cautious about stuff. Im talking out of complete ignorance but im interested on this topic so i would appreciate some help, maybe tips on how to study the cognitive functions, so i could be certain about my personality type? I know and heard that the test is really not that accurrate, that's why i wanna learn more. Thanks!!

I know we all work 24/7, but I feel like I need a little balance. I do not check emails or texts when I’m at the gym, but I find it hard to not constantly check otherwise. How often do you check your phone?

What good advice/tips do you have for interacting with the people of the MBTIs? Typically the INFP types or the ENFP types

Sometimes when I’m laying in bed and it’s pitch black, I just imagine myself as a football player or a Formula One driver to be able to escape reality for a little bit because life for me these past 2 to 3 years since I’ve started attending my community college has been extremely difficult. I even got as far as to pretend or dream about being friends with K-pop idols that I like.

Dam so empty in here

Husband took alot of tests from 100 questions to 300 questions, and he get result of Type 8 every single time, as so ISTJ.

I just recently took mine and I'm surprise, I got ISTJ too, but I'm Type 6 instead of Type 8 like him.

I mean is ISTJ married an ISTJ common? Me and my husband have very traditional roles though. He the 100% breadwinner, and I'm the housewife, I stay home for the past 12 years since I married him 12 years ago.

But his personality though, he dominant and he has no problem with being confrontational. He very blunt and straightforward too, very black and white thinking, very sense of what right and wrong, very loyal and faithful too.
Very opinionate too, stubborn too. Tremendous amount of determination, will not stop until he get what he wants, but I chalk that to him his Scorpio planets.

Maybe this is a Type 8 thing? And he a Chemical Engineer. He has an University Master Degree in Chemical Engineering, and he makes six-figures.

Me an ISTJ like him but I'm a housewife. I'm passive. No, I don't like confrontational, unless absolutely necessary, maybe this is a Type 6 thing? I do have determination but not as much as him. I'm way more talkative than him though, I chalk that to I'm a Gemini.

Perhaps it because we both ISTJ so we are compatible, we don't fight, but then he is a doting husband, I'm just surprise at my test result that I got ISTJ too like him, but I'm type 6 which is different from Type 8 him.

I’m interested in what my fellow ISTJ’s are actually doing career wise, and not just what websites say is a good fit for us.

I’m a college student just finishing up my degree in Data Analytics with a minor in Computer Science. After I’ll be starting my masters in Data Analytics: Statistics. I’m aiming for Data Scientist and Machine Learning Engineer roles in the next couple years.

What do y’all do for work? Any college, trade school, or military experience? I’m interested in what the stats really are.

Especially when they're acting/being stupid. Like how do you have so much patience?