/r/homeland
Subreddit for the award winning psychological and political thriller Showtime series, "Homeland". Homeland stars Claire Danes as Carrie Mathison, a CIA operations officer.
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Season One, Episode Two. He’s in the judge’s office (Michael McKean) and is offered coffee. He takes a metal container out of his pocket and drops two pills (each about the size of a half of a tic-tac) in his cup. Just curious if anyone knows what they could be. Medication maybe? But why would you put that in coffee?
Somehow I missed what this video was about.
People said the show decline in season 3. I will argue that it decline after S2ep5. After one of the best episodes of the show ever, it seem the writers ran out of ideas. The second half of season 2 was horrendous. Dana and timothee subplot, the absurdity of the twist in the finale, jessica, carried being kidnapped and than being let go, etc. You get what I mean. The show never really recover and the quality had been inconsistent ever since then. The good season post season 4 seem like a return to form till the anticlimactic season finale, season 5 had only two good episodes and the rest was mid, series finale being great, etc
S04E07 8:13 and 8:50
Possibly OTC in Pakistan, looks like 2mg too.
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First I will say that this show is very well written. Claire Danes does a great job with playing Carrie and I’ll give credit on her saving the day time and time again.
She’s done many things that have been upsetting and frustrating to watch as a viewer, but this takes the cake.
I’m on season 7 and the Russian conspiracy is unfolding. After Saul told her to back off and mentioned the conspiracy to her and she’s connected the Dante dots, SHE BRINGS HER CHILD INTO HIS HOME. She puts herself at risk all the time and I’ve come to expect that, but to bring Franny into the home of a suspected Russian agent goes beyond thoughtless.
I’m just angry at her. Until proven otherwise, I think that she needs to lose custody of Franny and Franny should live with her aunt and be in a stable household.
Update: finished the scene where Saul and the SWAT team stormed in on them. Very cringe.
Has anybody watched it? Somewhat similar to homeland, and certainly I think everyone who enjoyed homeland would like it. CIA based, with lots of dodgy goings on. Anyone who has actually seen it, do you agree Joubert kinda gives Tasneem vibes on more extreme scale?🤣
Didn't he use 2 bullets to kill that deer?
S02E06
I was rewatching season 5 and landed on the episode where was speaking to Otto During about Carrie and he brought up the fact that Otto's grandfather was a N@zi and benefitted from the Holocaust. Personally I feel Saul had no right to lecture During about his family ties considering that the Agency he works for, the CIA has recruited well known Nazi war criminals after it's creation in '47. If you don't believe me, search Reinhard Gehlen and the Gehlen organisation and numerous other declassified CIA documents that stated the recruitment of former SS, Gestapo and Wehrmacht soldiers after the division of Germany. Anyway, Gehlen was a Wehrmacht general in the Eastern front during WW2 and surrendered himself to the Americans after the war and his organisation was used by the CIA to spy on the Soviet Union behind the Iron Curtain. The organisation had well known war criminals in the Eastern Front with connections to Hitler's inner circles. All in all, I just needed to rant about this, because this show has a way to point out hypocrisy when least expected and further criticising US foreign policy since the cold war.
What is wrong with the people that run the Emmys and Golden globes. Rupert did an outstanding job with the character and his last season was absolutely heartbreaking. He should have won an award especially for season 6. That's all I have to say he was robbed.
Just a shame acting and dialogues are so poorly written. Oh, and storyline.
I am rewatching season 8 and thinking. This has to be the best drama ever made. I know everybody is all Breaking Bad or Wire. Breaking Bad no, Wire still may be slightly better. And West Wing was a little optimistic but for me it is between West Wing and Homeland.
But my thinking, why Homeland didn't get better recognition than what it did. It dealt with real issues across the board in a realistic way. Mom leaves her kid. The entire show is basically about Muslims and Muslim extremists. Government illegal actions. Domestic terrorism. Pretty much covers every negative thing you can think of, in the best possible way. So I can see it getting a little hate. But man what a great show.
If you were to come up with any show that covers serious shit, what could you possibly come up with that is better than Homeland?
Rewatcing S4 and I just cringe whenever Kiran has screentime. I don't know what is worse, this acting or Dana's incessant hand twirling...
That it was Allison? I can’t remember if I surmised that or even though it. Looking back now, she was always so calm & collected about shit(save for the breach obvs) that it looks like a red flag to me NOW. like, why are you so relaxed after hearing that Ahmed Nazari is alive? lol her arrogance and nonchalant attitude even after being caught is what really made me mad even more.
Unrelated but,, I’m not too big on Jonas. He seems like—he is a good guy but, your ex-CIA girlfriend has told you that she’s being hunted down and you’re giving her ultimatums of “leave with me and go home or it’s over” & telling her that it’s time to call the police. The police. What are they gonna fcking do?? Now..I couldn’t FATHOM someone telling me this but knowing who she is, who she worked for, what her work involved, I wouldn’t doubt her. He lowkey started acting as if she was the dramatic or crazy one. I would have stood by her better than he did. Even if it was at a safe distance bc anyone can be collateral damage, as we saw. When she started mentioning the documents again & he screamed “ENOUGH W THE FUCKING DOCUMENTS!” That was it for me lol he’s washed in my eyes.
Also, Laura is dumb, especially with that marwan situation. Generally, She’s narcissistic, idealistic to a negative effect, and unethical. He spoke of a potential attack that he overhead via known jihadist and she started preaching about war!?! Girl, get TF on..
I started watching Season 8 and am currently at episode 6 ...
Overall, I like Saul for being level-headed and effective. I also like the fictional leader of the Taliban, he has more honor than some of the other players in the game.
Carrie is always really struggling, I find her interesting but stressful to watch; she's prickly and also the good guy, yet has no problem doing whatever it takes in order to get to her goals, and very smart but sometimes makes problematic decisions. I get why her colleagues don't totally trust her; all allegiances are questionable and shifty when everyone's trying to work their advantage, manipulate, or collect or protect information.
I was warming up to the American president, at least he seemed like a decent person. I am so annoyed by the VP who becomes president that I've skipped a few of his scenes out of frustration because his terrible judgment and weakness of character stresses me out. :(
I really like seeing the landscapes of the Middle East. It's beautiful, though the dessert and weather is probably very harsh. It makes me more curious about the culture and history there.
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Guys, Im rewatching this show and idk if this era was as funny to me the first time but I just finished season 3 ep 3 and I was CRYINGGG laughing at how fucked Brody is. Like I might be fucked in the head for this because it's not funny at all but his life is so screwed right now it's become comical to me. I'm wondering if anyone can relate
To refresh anyone's memory Brody is now in Colombia I think, with a bald head, evading capture because he was just framed for the Langley bombing that killed 200+. He's injured and he's been given heroin to numb the pain. He's now denying the heroin and wants to escape. He gets this idea that going to the Mosque will be his ticket out because he thinks the Imam will take him in and help him. The Imam at this mosque plays nice, let's him in, and let's Brody use their shower. Brody's now having the first moment of peace in God knows how long taking a shower, but is ambushed by these cops and is beaten up, still naked. Completely humiliating. And the Imam is just like, you're no Muslim... You're a terrorist. But then comes the people that have been tasked with keeping Brody from being caught and they kill the cops along with any innocents at the mosque including the Imam (because there can't be anyone who knows Brody is there), and take Brody away. So Brody has now failed to escape, gotten innocent people killed, and is forcibly brought back to hiding, has realized there's no way out, and is now in a small cell (reminiscent of his time as a POW). And they're just shitting on him being like this is where you'll sleep, eat and die!! To add insult to injury, in comes the sassy gay drug dealer who's been giving Brody heroin and he just looks at Brody like smh... Everywhere you go people die.. you're like a roach.. the bombs will go off but you'll survive.. you belong here. Brody is so depressed he's just disassociating staring off into space. The drug dealer leaves the cell but leaves behind a tourniquet and a needle with heroin on the floor. The episode ends with Brody tying his arm and shooting up before cutting to black and I am just in tears laughing the whole time at how fucked up his life is. Especially considering hes innocent of the Langley bombing. I don't even hate Brody's character. I don't particularly like him, I just think there's comes a point where your life is so fucked up, you just have to laugh at how unlucky it is. AND they end up killing Brody at some point. Bro just got dealt the worst hand in life. Rip Brody hahahah
And now I am lost. For the last several weeks these characters have been a part of my life. It was an escape from my humdrum existence. The show seemed more real than my real life. (I know, that's not healthy, lol) Now what I do?
I have watched the show a couple of times and these points keep popping in my head.
I know Brody was technically "bad" but was he really that bad. Up to a certain point, say end of season 2, all he really did was ...
On Dana, at first I thought she was cool with Brody, but was she ever? At one point, when they were outside looking at the locks, I thought she was coming back around. And then when she made the "vest" call, I thought she was coming around. But in the end, I guess she always kind of hated him. Did she?
I like the show, but getting back into season 1, that just seemed a little far fetched even for the show. So did Nazir plan for Brody to become a member of congress, just so they can get together for them to be sent down into a bunker so he could use a vest on them? Or maybe the dynamics changed over time, where Brody was in their inner circle and he could use the vest any time when they are al huddled together? But then again it seemed like Walker was primed to shoot, scatter them into the bunker. Was Walker also ready to shoot from that house rooftop near the airport too? What was the point of that scene? If Brody had the vest, why did you need Walker? It made sense only up to the point of the bunker scene but what about times before that when Brody wasn't a congressman. It was exciting tv but a bit of a stretch.
Okay, I’ve started the series over, yet again. 2 questions:
Always something new to ask
I was neutral /unbothered about him for the longest time but in season 6 he’s really the highlight of the show imo. Not finished the season and it’s possibly best one yet.
So this post will be a bit of word vomit as I lay out my thoughts from the first three seasons, and why I think I won't continue with the rest of the series.
First, Claire Danes does a great job playing Carrie, but it is emotionally exhausting watching Carrie make so many awful decisions. She knows that Brody is a terrorist but still falls in love with him and wants a relationship with him? Then right after the Langley bombing, rather than ask Brody to turn himself in so that he can be investigated (and hopefully proven innocent), she decides to help him hide? Doesn't she see that the choices she made are partially responsible for his death at the end of season 3? And that doesn't even touch on the subject of the VP from season 2. Carrie heard Nazir and Brody talking about the VP's pacemaker. Then he dies of a heart attack and Carrie just, what, ignores it because she loves Brody?
My second issue is her employment and how unrealistic it is. At the end of season 1, she is fired (rightfully so). But then they need her again in season 2 and she's just...re-hired? She even got a raise! But she consistently disobeys orders and no one thinks it was a bad idea that she was re-hired? She is literally shot by one of her own colleagues in season 3 because she was disobeying a direct order, but apparently she's the only person they can send to Iran to help Brody escape?
Next is Saul. At the beginning of the show there was some tension between the two characters because of Carrie's generally erratic behavior, but you could tell they trusted each other and that they cared for each other. But Saul uses Carrie so many times and it makes me uncomfortable, especially when her mental illness is part of the play. They seem to go back and forth so many times, with neither one speaking to each other for one episode, and then Carrie begging for Saul's help in the next.
I also felt there were a lot of storylines that just ended abruptly. No follow-up on Galvez? He was a fairly important character for a while, and a lot of people assumed he was a mole. I think the last time we saw him, he was on the way to the hospital to get his stiches fixed and then he was never mentioned again. Then there is the Brody family. Yes, we all love to joke how Chris is never acknowledged (he would get along with Henry from the Americans), but the Brody family was such a huge part of the first two seasons while they adjusted to Nicholas being back. Jess virtually disappears after they agree to split up, and then they have Dana move out, drop out of school, and live/work in a motel. What? I was at least hoping Carrie would sit down with his family and explain things to them. I know she wouldn't be allowed to, but it's not like she listens anyway.
Last is Quinn. I've read through some posts here and a lot of people seem to like him, but I never felt like they gave us enough to really connect with him. He seems nice enough and good at his job, and maybe has feelings for Carrie, but that's literally all I know about the guy after 2 seasons. Maybe they expand on his character more in the later seasons, but he's not an interesting enough character at this point to keep me engaged in the series.
I know that was a lot of negativity, but there are some things I did like. Max and Virgil were favorite characters, and I enjoyed Carrie's family too. Several of the episodes were incredibly well done and suspenseful, like Marine One and Good Night.
Anyway, thanks for reading all of that.
Edit 1: For those of you that are saying to continue, are any of my complaints addressed and resolved? I'm not looking forward to the Carrie/baby storyline (I assume she struggles massively) and I don't want to see more Carrie/Saul fighting and betrayal.
Edit 2: The overwhelming majority of posters have said to continue. I think I'll take a break for a bit (I need to finish another show anyway) and then give season 4 a chance.
The scene: Carrie and Saul are meeting in Islamabad, for the first time in a while have time to talk.
S: You got two problems, far as I see. One, you need to get Sandy's networks up and running again.
C: Check
S: Two, you don't know who you can trust yet. So you need to set up a second station somewhere, with your own people, independent of the embassy.
C: [knowing grin]
S: You've done that already (← almost a question, but almost a statement too!)
C: [the smallest nod and smile, not haughty, but almost like "hey, you've taught me well, I did it all on instinct and I'm a badass playing 3D chess"]
S: Wow. That was quick. [shaking his head in amazement and pride]
C: [smiles back, she knows he knows and is impressed. She's content and happy with herself, bites her lip, looks outside and smiles.]
[They stare at each other, comfortable smiles.]
I just, DIG IT. SO. MUCH. A lot was made back in the day of Claire Danes and her crying, expressive face but damn she conveys so much with so little and no words.
This show is awesome.
Their acting is awesome.
Love a rewatch and nervous for what's to come, knowing what I know.
ANYWAYS! Thanks for listening.
Just finished ep3 of s02 and omg why did she do that?? And also how could she fall in love with him after one night together? Lol dont get the hype around the show so far....
I, like many here, have plowed through the entire run of our show many times, and I’ll always take recommendations for other similar shows.
Slogging through The Americans for the first time, and keep thinking “boy this show would be a lot better if it was Homeland!” 😆
It’s fine and watchable, but I have a sneaking suspicion Carrie and Saul are going to be back on my tv before I finish this series.
When you had to wait for the next episode or season!
This is my 2nd time watching. And the cliff hangers sometimes result in me staying up passed my bedtime 😆