That was thee most heartbreaking thing I’ve ever watched, I am absolutely sobbing an blubbering and that’s saying something because I medically can’t cry. The way they filmed it was so moving the jumps ahead to them getting older sitting there…..(cue the sobbing again)

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Has anyone else noticed that in season 3 once Lyra has awoken she is wearing a lot of eyeshadow and some mascara? Really odd considering they are in the middle of nowhere (maybe Will used the knife to cut into the nearest Sephora?) and she is supposed to still be a child? Looks like a Prada model at times to me.

So I've just started season 3 and I'm loving the show, especially the music.

Specifically the music that plays about 19 minutes into episode one of season 3 when >!Will uses the knife to get away from the two angels and enters a grey desert world!<. There's a long zooming out shot of Will as he walks around the grey desert with some incredible music underscoring it.

I was wondering if anyone knew the name of this track on the soundtrack so I could listen to it again.

I've just finished watching the Land of the Dead arc in the TV show, and >!am I the only one who thought that they were not as affectionate to each other as they were previously while being alive? I don't think they even hug. Granted, Roger was out of hope, but then he seems to get back to his normal self after remembering his life in Oxford. I can't get rid of the impression that in the Land of the Dead together, they kinda started behaving as cousins who were forced to sit at the same dinner table. And prior to this, Lyra was very passionate in seeing him again. Yes, she does cry when Roger leaves through the window, but their interactions seemed rather cold and distant. And why was Roger eager to go through the window first? Did he not want to spend more time with his best friend, Lyra?!<

So guys, I just finished season one and I can’t stop crying over what happened to Roger. First throughout the season I was devastated over Billy’s storyline and seeing the other children/daemons left soulless in the station. I don’t know if I can continue watching this show, as it is really frustrating and extremely triggering. These scenes where the demons are cut off are killing me inside. I have a pet and I imagine what it would be like if something like that happened to me.

Just please tell me, is it going to get better? Less tragic? (Without Spoilers of the Plot)

I just finished watching his dark materials and Im sat here bawling my eyes out can anyone tell me there is a season 4 or Lyra and will see eachother again

Its a great fantasy drama I have watched in a while and towards the end, the romantic relationship between Will and Lyra couldn't be portrayed more beautifully (Hats off to Dafne and Amir chemistry). But it hits different from other romantic scenarios. I mean, when someone dies its a different thing but to know they are alive but you could never feel that touch again, could never see them again, it just hurts. It is so much more romantic and at the same time it made me cry a river. I recently finished it, I couldn't stop thinking abut it.

From time to time, I keep reminiscing the last scene where they promise to met at the bench every year. Their goodbye, makes me teary every fking time.

I think Marisa is a great villain and a great character. I do not hate her. But I am so incredibly surprised to see people sympathize with her because 'she is just trying to love her daughter' and I even read on this sub somewhere that Lyra should have forgiven her.

She's clearly shown being abusive to Lyra when choking Pan in the apartment and confining Lyra with threats. And she smirks when she realises she has Gorge in her G.O.B. custody and is happy to burn his letter and basically let him die, despite knowing he means the world to Lyra. And, oh yeah, she I don't know, is leading a project that kidnaps children, confines them, lies to them and then experiments on them without caring they die.

I don't care what she does after that, doesn't this alone warrant for Lyra to stay the F away from her? Some actions are forgivable. This??? Abusing her daughter, confining her. Smiling as you send your daughters best friend to his certain death. She's about he most toxic mother I have seen in recent years of television.

I understand people liking her as a multi layered character with tragic aspects to her and complicated emotions. She's not cookie cutter evil. But a good mother? Worthy of being redeemed in her daughter's eyes? Nah. Why can't people just like a villain without justifying their heinous crimes.

Just finished the series and can’t stop thinking about the characters. I’m not ready to dive into the books. I couldn’t find an hbo podcast for this series although there are several for their other shows. Help.

(Ps. Just teeny tiny spoiler alert*) Hello, im a long time fan of his dark materials, ive reread the series multiple times throughout my teenhood (rereading currently too) and i just discovered there was a show. I was excited to watch with my brother and mom (since she was interested in it too but its easier for her to watch rather than read)

I watched the movie and quite liked it but its unfortunate that there were no sequels and no details mentioned in the book. I watched the first episode of the show and compared to the movie, i prefer the movie over the show immediately. Lyra in the movies was way moreee lyra. Why does the actress in the show feel way older. I understand that in these times shows hire actors less accurate to the physical description to the book like on percy jackson recently, so i dont mind lyra not having ‘golden hair’ as described in the book. But its so odd to see her looking wayyyy much older than roger.

Secondly, they messed up the sequence and details so much. I think the most important part about philip pullmans world building is rhat it starts from the characters. Lord asriel being curt, intelligently scary is so important. I think they captured lord asriel perfectly in the movie. And even the first Opening scene where lyra hides in a cupboard to see the master spiking the tokay. THE CUPBOARD is so important. The descriptions of lyra lying in the old robes and pan telling her not to get too comfy. THOSE ARE THE DETAILS i expected to see in a show. NOT INACCURATE. And her uncle telling her to keep an eye out for conversations for dust??? Thats incredibly inaccurate and i hated the way they changed the dialogue. Sure the premise is the same - lyra hides and spies for him - but i just feel like THE Books dialogue was so precise and added so much to the plot. Like lyra trying to figure out what dust was and stuff and being told by lord asriel later not to care.

And then what WAS THAT thing about the gypsies celebrating the permanent transformation of daemon. It makes sense to me. But i found it so utterly nonsensical to add to the show. It just wastes extra running time and there was probably a reason why philip pullman didn’t add it. AND OMG why was billy costa not captured by mrs coulters. Again. In the book theres such a detailed description of the moment where billy snatches food from the markets and runs faraway to settle and munch on it. And then mrs coulter and her damned monkey come and offer him chocolate. There was also a scene where the monkey is introduced and how he “lures” ratter. This was such AN IMPORTANT INTRODUCTION missed out on mrs coulter

Even though the movie has its faults, i really enjoyed the fact that the characters represent were really accurate in essence. Nicole kidman is LITERALLY mrs coulter. Also am i the only one but the cgi for the daemons werent that good either. I preferred it in the movies. Me and my brother stopped watched the show midway ep 1 because it was frustratingly inaccurate. Did philip pullman approve of these changes? Cus i seriously doubt it. This is so sad. Is it worth continuing to watch or will i get more furiously mad.

Also to note, im not hating on the adaptability for not being on point accurate to the books. I was very excited to watch the show and i enjoyed the early scene of lord asriel in svalbard with therold whichb wasnt mentioned in the books. But the other changes and omissions bother me because i fee like they are crucial. Am i the only one who stands with these opinions. Lmk

So Dr Malone’s shirt in the show (and promo shots) looks to me like a Mario-themed top, with the various “costumes” / power-ups from the Mario universe (tanooki, feather, mushroom, etc)

Anyone able to confirm or identify this bit of clothing from the show?

I'm talking years later, if the human dies, will the daemon still die too, vice versa?

CW: self-harm

I’ve always appreciated the symbolism of Mrs Coulter’s cruelty to her own dæmon as evidence of her self-hatred/keeping her baser, more sinful instincts on a tight leash.

On my rewatch, though, it finally occurred to me that her violence to her dæmon is a form of self-harm. We see from other people that when their dæmon is hurt, it causes them pain, so every time Mrs Coulter pulls his fur or hits him, she is also hurting herself. Hurting someone’s dæmon also seems to hurt them a lot more than just hurting them directly, so it’s even more painful that she’s doing it to herself and her daemon. Maybe this was obvious to others but I just didn’t fully clock it until now.

also doing a reread of the book and I just picked up on the fact that Mrs Coulter acquires a hot, metallic, blood-like smell - as described by Lyra - when her dæmon is further from her than other people can tolerate.

Edit 3/11: >!spoiler just started my S2 rewatch and this is further compounded by the conversation between Mrs Coulter and Lee in S2E3. CW: abuse, child abuse - the idea of pain that is a relief because you feel you deserve it is so interesting in the context of Mrs Coulter. See also: McPhail atoning by holding his hand over the candle in S2E1, and the religious (particularly catholic) concept of pain as purifying &, sometimes, ecstatic. The way she and her daemon face the wall after the confrontation with Lee really seems like something she would do/was forced to do as punishment as a child - just a hunch but it seems like something a traumatised child would do to feel safe !<

Also listen I find Lin Manuel Miranda … conflicting as a figure… super talented but a bit cringe, an innovator but he has the success blinders on, etc but goddamn he’s amazing in this role

Preface, I am a Christian, but I am not really offended by the story. So this isn't meant to be a dig or a rant about the story, just an observation from my perspective.

I don't know if irony is the right word, but it's what I'll use.

The overarching premise is that the worlds of the multiverse are controlled by catholic like religious organizations who control the populations through fear of judgement and damnation if they don't submit to "the authority". It is clearly a story that is anti-religion (particularly anti-Christian).

The irony comes through the stories interpretation of who the religious people call Creator. He is an "angel" who chose to rise above the rest and declare himself god, and create organizations of faithful people across the multiverse who would uphold his tyrannical ways.

In the Christian faith, that is the devil. That's literally who he is described as being, an angel who decided to rise above the rest, and declare himself as being the highest. And ever since, he has manipulated and influenced people of all walks of life and religions to do his bidding, knowingly or not.

I am a Christian, but I wouldn't say I'm really "offended" by the story. The author was against organized religion. Obviously he would produce materials in line with his beliefs. But I found the irony a bit funny. The Catholic Church is often conflated with Christianity and organized religion as a whole, but for anyone who actually studies the Bible, it is clear that (from a biblical perspective) the Catholic Church is nothing but false doctrine and men who consider themselves equal to god!

So His Dark Materials was actually a very good fictional version of the Catholic Church and the god they really serve, the angel who desired to be god, but turned out to be the devil!

Will never forgive him for cutting Roger idc if he did it for the greater good, he doesn’t have a single redeemable trait and Roger deserved better, so did Lyra and can’t believe I’m saying this but even MARISA deserved better💀 Asriel is the only character I hate more than her

Perhaps this is me digging too far in and there’s no real answer for this, but I got thinking: did the Magisterium not know that separating a daemon from a human can be…well, deadly in many ways??

It seems as though they did a lot of research on it, like a LOT, and I’m aware that they believe dust is a sin and therefore should be removed before a child’s daemon settles. But what I don’t get is, how do they not understand the consequences? Not only can it actually cause death (which they clearly don’t care about at this stage), but obviously the people who don’t die in the process come out changed for the worse. They literally act as if they have no soul.

So, one would assume that any intelligent person from the Magisterium would be like, “oh, it seems that daemons are actually a part of the soul and we are literally cutting out the souls of these children!”

Basically my whole point is, how do they not understand that? Or do they understand and just not care for some reason? One would think they would care if they’re ripping people’s souls out cause that’s kind of the most important thing about a person but, idk. I guess they’re so tangled up in this ‘dust is sin’ idea to the point of not caring? But that almost seems too extreme.

Just started watching the show and I’ve had a thought,

So I actually watched The Golden Compass all the time when I was young and as soon as I heard about this show I jumped on the chance to watch it. Idk how I didn’t hear about it sooner. I’m currently on episode 5 of season 1.

I was thinking about daemons in general and how some people have much larger or predatorial ones than others. Then I was like, wow, imagine living in that world and getting in an altercation with a person who has a significantly more predatory daemon than you do; I’d bet people try their best to avoid conflict with people like that!

I mean, imagine a weird hypothetical scenario where your partner cheats on you, you discover exactly who the homewrecker is, and it turns out you can’t do anything to them otherwise their large daemon will tear you to shreds. Crazy stuff!

I read the first book before starting the series and wtf? Why did they kill Billy instead of Tony in the show? Didn't even get to the funeral scene bc it's just so dumb to me. Ok, maybe they wanted to change it up a bit and make the series darker then the books, but did they really have to kill poor Billy and traumatize Ma Costa this way? In the books, Billy gets rescued and so at least one thing turns out fine.

It's just so weird and at thins moment it seems just like they changed it just so they could say they didn't copy the book entirely...

Either way, at the time i'm posting this i don't really know what's gonna happen to Billy, i'm just assuming he'll die, though.

!Why did it have to end this way? It was such a wonderful TV show, but it left me feeling saddened and depressed. I just wanted to add that Mrs. Coulter is the best character in the show, and seeing her die like that was both amazing and very sad. I’m just wondering, is there better explanation in the book about what actually happens to those who fall into darkness? Is there any hope for Lyra’s parents?!<