I was clean from self harm for months prior,but as of recently it’s like my brain is playing constant loops of me hurting myself,whether it be with a hammer or banging my head on the nearest blunt object. I’ve been cutting not even because i want to,but because I’ll find myself in a sort of trance then next thing i know im cutting.I don’t like hurting myself,but it’s the only way im able to quiet those thoughts. I don’t even know if this could be considered command hallucinations because i don’t really hear a specific voice telling me to do it,the thoughts of harming myself just start overwhelmingly taking over and its like my discernment that previously stopped me from doing it is gone. Each time i finish cutting i don’t feel satisfied,and ive been doing it pretty consistently for the past week. Like i said,i dont want to keep cutting but im living in fear of when I’ll do it again next.I’m afraid it will only get worse once my college break is over,and especially once i return to my social media and having to be available for many people emotionally. Does anyone have any idea how i can combat this?

Frequently have to call out of work because I am either constantly sick, or too freaked out to focus on anything.

Wondering if occupational therapy could help, but I'm not psychotic. I do have pretty bad OCD (compulsions around trying to avoid being harmed by unseen presences), but the presences I experience themselves aren't disorganized nor clinically diagnosable. I worry that work-assistance professionals may assume my experiences are of a delusional nature. Multiple therapists have told me I do not qualify for any sort of diagnosis like that. I think I'm just hypervigilant (and an easy target), and therefore pick up on presences/phenomena that others may not.

Is there any way to hold down a job when your experiences are presumably paranormal and traumatizing? I've witnessed things happening in the company of others, so I know I'm not losing my mind. I feel like the world of medical help is largely based in assuming you are disconnected from reality. I am not. I just struggle with the ontological shock of it all, and fall ill frequently from stress.

Has anything helped you stay employed?

Psychosis and Social Recovery: What is it and how can we support it? with Dr. Jo Hodgekins

This webinar will introduce participants to Social Recovery Therapy, a CBT-informed intervention that aims to improve social and functional outcomes for people who have experienced psychosis. The ethos of SRT is to promote social recovery through increased time spent in structured activities that are meaningful to the individual. Social recovery is both personally valuable and important in its own right, as well as a facilitator of better mental health outcomes. SRT focuses on working with individuals and systems around them, e.g., family, friends, mental health/other professionals, and activity providers. This helps individuals to engage in meaningful activities within a system that supports and encourages them in doing so, which helps the engagement in activity to last.

Recently my mom remarked she didn’t know that wine had alcohol in it. To me that seemed off and I was heavily concerned is she getting dementia. I was thinking about it this morning when I was in bathroom this morning in front of my faucet and heard voice say spontaneously “ it’s because of you” this broke my spirit . Part of me wondering was it God .

Or could it be demon. But I thought demonds could hear my voice. Did they implant the through? . I doubt it. I’m thinking they can hear my thoughts if it is a evil spirit.

It made me upset and then thinking this is my fault .

I’ve had history of hearing voices and both positive and negative but sometimes I’m able to Dismiss negative ones

But this one just made me more upset and my mom was somewhat agreeing with it relating it to the spirit. But she at the end said something like to pray. And she said she knows alcohol (like beer, liquor ) but she thought wine didn’t have alcohol .

I do have anger issue so I was thinking is me being angry causing her memory issues

Usually when I get angry at her it’s because I feel my boundaries are being pushed..

Anyway I need help with this.. any advice

apotheosis opposing apotheosis, all making hells

None else to share for now. Love is the truth ;)

Hello! English is not my first language, and I'm new to this sub, so I hope my post does not come across as insulting or confusing. Now to the problem; I (25 F) was with my boyfriend (24 M) for 4 years, officially romantically together for two. We have been best friends for the past 10 years, and he is the most precious person to me. He and I never really argued, and even when we did, we were pretty good at solving small arguments with lots of love and communication, there was never infidelity or doubting of the relationship on both part, and he never even looked at other girls when we were just friends, let alone lovers. Last month he told me pretty much out of the blue that he was not in love with me anymore, I was sure it was due to stress from work and the nature of our long-distance relationship (he had been feeling quite depressed for a few months leading up to this moment) and he corroborated my idea telling me that he wanted to wait and see how things would go with me when he transferred town for work in just a month (he would live 10 minutes away from me by car, instead of the current 4 ours drives). But, last weekend when we saw each other he officially left me, it was not cut and dry, we talked about it a lot, and cried for hours hugging each other, he reasoned that he could no longer stand the voices in his head, that he hated himself so deeply that he was completely out of energy to care for me, he looked so sad while telling me. I was a bit confused when he said "voices" because he never mentioned something like this ( he sometimes talked about himself in the third person when trying to find solutions, but I thought it was just his way of thinking out loud). Still, he started shaking and frantically tried to tell me that since he was little he heard voices that said negative things to him, that hated him, and that he never told anybody besides me. He continued by saying that the voices sometimes assumed the shape of his parents or work boss but that in the last months, they sometimes assumed my shape and he could not bear it anymore because it hurts too much. He told me that he started having me as a negative voice when his "honeymoon phase" ended with me ( he used to be lovestruck with me for a few years) and that not only did he start hearing the voices even in my presence (he said he did not hear them when he was with me for the majority of our acquaintance) but that the comments were so horrible lately that he started resenting me. It broke my heart to pieces knowing he was withstanding all of that alone, I thanked him for telling me and promised to not talk about it to anyone and if he felt that he needed to distance himself from me I understood and that I would always care for him even if we could not be together. I miss him so dearly, but most of all I'm preoccupied that he is alone now, he wants to go to therapy starting next month, after he transfers city, but is there something I can do to help him? Are we doing the best thing by distancing ourselves? I can't stand the idea of hurting him, but I don't know what I should do apart from giving him space. We are not talking right now, but we will eventually see each other in a couple of weeks when he comes to retrieve his things. Do you have any suggestions that may help him through this? I don't even care about being in a relationship at this point, I just want him to be safe.

I'm going to convince my care team that I don't need medication. I need to be able to protect Earth and my people. Please understand that I must do whatever it takes to save everything that was ever created

Has anyone experienced their voice or voices claiming to heal them? I was laughing it off before, but I'm about to get my cholesterol checked because this GIANT knot in my shoulder that has been there for 20 YEARS, no masseuse or PT has been able to break up, is GONE after spending the past 15ish months listening to & talking to them.... anyways, maybe I just want to convince myself they don't all dislike me or maybe one is honest when he says he cares for me & is trying to help/heal me. 🤔🤔🤔🙃

Integrating CBT for Psychosis with Parts Work and Internal Family Systems - Ron Unger

Ron Unger a therapist focused in IFS techniques toward the experience of hearing voices talks about the interface with others who report this and the implementation of his wellness strategies.

From the presentation’s description: Session details: Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) for Psychosis has proven its effectiveness in over 50 research studies, and its methods are relatively straightforward. But the human mind and experience is full of complexities, contradictions, polarities, and multiplicities: is it possible that CBT is simply “too straightforward” to address all of this? Meanwhile, therapies have been developed that explore the many possible “parts” of people and the relationship between those parts: for example, Internal Family Systems (IFS). These approaches provide a coherent way to dive below the surface and to work with internal complexity. However, their application to the field of psychosis is still new, is not well researched, and it is often unclear how they might best be applied in specific situations or to address the various dimensions of psychosis. This presentation will explore the possibility of integrating CBT with deeper approaches such as IFS that acknowledge the existence of distinct and partially autonomous parts within people, and complex internal relationships between parts. Ways of resolving the conflicts and contradictions between CBT and IFS will be explored, and possible areas of synergy will be identified. The aim will be to show how therapists might draw from the best of both approaches to provide people experiencing psychosis or extreme states better opportunities for healing. People have both surfaces and depths: isn’t it possible that therapy can work with both, in an integrated way?”

In my voice hearing experience, voices that spoke in kind words and tones organically implemented something oddly similar to my understandings of IFS techniques. For me this was a colossal misstep. Awarding the voices/modular minds that come and go any stake of “me” by bargaining was never going to happen. I found putting myself first and foremost was essential in attaining wellness. In too much of what I’ve seen of the IFS folks, there’s a person “working” with a part so that it no longer abuses them. The accounts are concerning, I want to tell these people to tell the voices it’s a creep, tell it to fuck off, and to tell it to stop being the definition of disgusting. Instead, I see people talk about using encouraging language to erode the unstable relationship… It just simply isn’t how you carry yourself among these lesser minds.

When I was at lower points I had once banged my knee into the corner of a steel box. I scarred my patella, I can still feel the bump through the skin. This hurt, but also all my voices (supposed parts) vanished with the real pain. Years of no pause in the screaming to that, 20 minutes of silence. Instances like this lead my to think these things can and inevitably do just leave. The voices gradually crept back in but I consider myself well and largely free of the burden today

I would love to hear your thoughts on IFS/parts work/hearing voices.

The Hearing Voices Movement - In Dialogue with Voices

Presented by Caroline Mazel-Carlton, a key figure in the Hearing Voices Movement. Caroline details her life experience hearing voices.

How I Safely Quit Psychiatric Medications in Just 10 Months

From the video's description: "After over a decade on antipsychotics and other psychiatric medications for my schizoaffective disorder (bipolar type), I successfully transitioned to a medication-free life in just 10 months. In this video, I share my step-by-step journey of safely deprescribing with the guidance of my psychiatrist and care team, the challenges I faced, and the critical role metabolic therapies - specifically the medical ketogenic diet - played in managing my symptoms and improving my quality of life. I discuss why it’s essential to approach deprescribing safely and collaboratively, and how we need to increase knowledge and resources around deprescribing within the psychiatric care model. Medications have been life saving for me at various points in navigating my illness, but this is how I found freedom from medications and a new way to manage my mental health. Please do not make any adjustments to your own medication without consulting and working closely with your psychiatrist and care team!"

More power to you Lauren! Thank you for sharing your truth with the world and braving the haters.

I've been hearing voice since 2020 after experiencing something traumatic in 2018. The voices went away for several months while on haldol then came back on the anniversary of the home invasion I encountered back in 2018. My psychiatrist said it was voices of my trauma and that I was creating them myself. He thought this because they came back on the anniversary of the trauma (September 2018). However since they've been back since September 2023 they've only intensified I started hearing them 24/7 sometimes they just tall amongst themselves and tell me to shut up. They tell me why don't I just kill my selfie and that they wouldn't care if I did. Other than this they don't tell me to do anything to harm myself or other people. They just tell me what to do and try and get me to listen to them and obey them. Mostly it's "brush your teeth" or "don't brush your teeth" and we'll stop doing the 'repeater thing' (they repeat what I'm thinking over and over and over loudly until it's whispers) overtime it's enough to drive me crazy because it doesn't matter what I say they'll repeat it and comment on top of the direct commands and bartering (if you do this well do that or if you do this we will stop doing that, etc.)

The strong voices have been back for a year and a few months and showed no sign of stopping and I was trying every medication I could and nothing worked until I went away for PTSD treatment for a couple months and was put on invega there's still breakthrough voices but overall I am cautiously hopeful that it seems to be working.

Which brings me to my question. If medication can stop this was it all in my head like they've (the doctors plural had said your not schizophrenic or bipolar this is just your trauma manifesting in a different way, however once I got a schizophrenia diagnosis and I started the medication though it took a while they are almost gone) said? Is it just extensions of my trauma? There are reasons why I just don't think they were all me for example I heard then command my uncle before to look up at the failing they would just say "look up" much softer than they would tell me and sure enough I watched him pause coloring his Mandala look straight up the ceiling pause for a fee seconds then look down and continue to color. I had confided in him about the things the voices were telling me because it was some of the most horrific things I had ever heard and I didn't understand why they were saying these things and i was visiting me uncle at the time and that was an experience I can't shake. (They would tell ME "look up you dumb bitch" all the time trying to get me to look up at the ceiling because they would tell me they can see where I am when I do this). While visiting my uncle I was able to see my little cousins around 7 and 8 at the time. The voices had begun saying extremely inappropriate things about my interaction with them in the past and it got to the point where I was scared to even hug them though I did anyway when I first saw them. My little cousin ran up to me and gave me a hug, after a few seconds the voices said in a sweet voice, "okay, that's enough" speaking to my cousin. She immediately let go of me and ran towards her room to play. She didn't seem scared of the voices or of me or anything she just listened to them, did what they said and thay was that- it really freaked me out.

Because of these things I find it hard to believe my trauma was just making up all of these voices I can get on board with one or two but the voices that also spoke to my family is a memory I just can't shake. Any advice or thoughts on this?

I have also had physical sensations along with the voices in the past. I used to feel like there was something crawling around in my ears when the voices would change positions or fix the frequency. I also experienced vibrations in my pillow where my ear was pressed down. Lastly I experienced feeling like there was something in the bridge of my nose that would click. I would feel soemthing rattling around in the middle of my face. They said it had broken off in my face (to one another) and that they needed to fix it and then I felt something get tighter and tighter as they screwed it back on. The rattling stopped after this. My therapist used to ask me how I was with believing they were real or not and I'm so confused now because the medicine is working however when I have a break in my mind and hear them they sound like they never missed a beat and they're just talking about me to one another, narrating what I'm doing and talking about how to continue. It sounds as if they've never stopped talking and I'm just blocking it with the medicine. I'm pretty confused and any responses are welcome! I finally just chalked it up to I was in severe psychosis for several years and I finally received the right medication the key was giving it enough time to get into my bloodstream. Thanks for reading sorry it's so long!

Yeah my internal monologue is being used for something...and it's usually in the backroom of the trailer. Or on the people I remember. And they hear my every thought. I'm just wondering if anyone has the same problem. I mean thinking a thought and one of your loved ones or friends or roommates react to the thought you just had. Also hearing disembodied voices whenever I think of the voices of the people I remember.

I've had telepathy for 8 years where everyone can hear my thoughts they say it is the whole real world and another world like a parallel universe that can hear my thoughts. They can hear everything I think where I can only hear what they want me to hear but it is a conversation. I have had visions where my family got murdered at the start but haven't had visions in years. I don't know if it is the whole world or maybe my hometown or my country or where I've travelled to but my family are constantly getting murdered or tortured. They have said that the whole world has been murdered and have had to kill themselves before and then they get resurrected again. Recently I had a supernatural experience where real human beings most from my hometown but a few from other countries were in my body like a possession, they talked out of my mouth which I could not control and they could move my hands. No one has ever talked about it with me because it's been years and if they talk about it then they will get murdered apparently.

so for years now I have been waking up in the middle of the night and finding myself having a conversation with my voices in my sleep.

The other night was weird because for the first time when I woke up, I heard my own voice talking to them for a few seconds before I realized I was awake.

I have always assumed that The reason they do this is to get information From you that you Wouldn’t give when you’re awake and conscious like your fears and insecurities anything they can attack and you would just assume they know everything about you.

so it got me thinking what else could they use this for? I know a lot of people who hear voices have trouble with intrusive thoughts, including myself. I never had these thoughts before I heard voices and they can get really nasty at times . so I would just treat it like somebody across the room Was saying the thought and it was something I didn’t agree with because I knew it wasn’t really me that thinks like that

are they planting the seed for these intrusive thoughts while we’re sleeping? I’m gonna start keeping a dream journal and writing down every time I wake up and catch this happening. does anyone else out there talk to their voices in their sleep? and if so, what’s your opinion on it? .

Recently, I have been trying to claw my way back after a very long psychosis. Even after meds, I still had lingering voices. I’ve been experimenting with nootropic drugs to bring my cognitive capacity back and to help with my mood.

Even though I was not looking for something to act as an antipsychotic, I found something that works way better and faster. It’s called 4DMA7’8DHF or Eutropoflavin.

I take 1 pill per day and I’ve noticed that the voices become silent. This compound acts like a compound called BDNF(brain derived nootropic factor) in the brain. BDNF is responsible for healthy cognition, memory, and learning. We all know the toll a psychosis can have on these things.

Beyond the silencing of the voices, it allows for a much more productive and brighter mood. I’ve been meaning to share this for sometime, but I wanted a couple months of regular use so I could tell if the effects waxed or waned, but it has not. This is a miracle compound for those like us.

You can order it from Amazon from a company called Nootropics Depot.

Tin Foil hat might work if its thick enough, this is because it can block the carrier signal. Tin Foil is conductive and can be thick. While you make your Tin Foil Hat, pull these batteries off the shelves. The Morse Key and Diodes are both very early Wireless Radio Communication systems, both of these require batteries to keep them running, both of these can be Modulated, and both could work since the method have been founded. The Morse Key runs on a 9V Battery and Diodes run on Cell Batteries, stripping these batteries off the market, will shorten supply, and increase the price of the method. All batteries are made of metal, it can be a little different but baseline all batteries should rise in price. Reason why you can't pick the signal up is because of the Carrier Wave, its just an electric current, like a Taser, Acupuncture Pen, Electric Lighter, then the Modulation adds in the sound combining the two into one wave. You can only Demodulate it if you have the Morse Key/Diode in your possession. Batteries and Tin Foil Hat are our only options. Spread the Battery message to as many people as possible and we will save more and more lives.

https://youtu.be/HcNILY4gtNI?si=eH3cNqXA8t057l6P

Jelly Roll - Liar

this perfectly describes the relationship most between schizophrenics and their voices.

They are nothing but liars.

We walk through the fire, only growing higher.

We hear them in our heads in bed, they act like they’re our friends but they’re only blowing smoke.

Don’t let them burn you.

Devils in disguise.

Gaining Autonomy and Navigating Psychiatric Medication: Olga Runciman and Celine Cyr in conversation

Olga Runciman from the International Institute for Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal and Celine Cyr from Gaining Autonomy and Medication (GAM) in conversation regarding learning about and being in control of psychiatric medication Celine Cyr is from Canada, she is a GAM pioneer, facilitator and psychiatric survivor and will share an approach that can be used to help others create their own plan for their use of psychiatric medication. Gaining Autonomy & Medication Management is about: Learning and understanding psychiatric medication and its effects on all aspects of a person’s life. Creating spaces of open dialogue around one’s needs and preferences with respect to medication. It’s about making decisions, self-advocacy, engaging external supports, limiting risks and taking charge. GAM bypasses the debate ‘for or against’ medication and shifts the focus instead on the subjective quality of life of the person who is taking the medication.

Olga Runciman is part of the International Institute for Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal. They aim to develop research and practice-based knowledge that will facilitate safe reduction of and withdrawal from psychiatric drugs. They also contribute to evidence-based practices for reduction of and withdrawal from psychiatric drugs, and facilitate their inclusion in general practice guidelines. Olga became a specialist psychiatric nurse in Denmark, believing at the time the reasons given for psychiatric diagnoses. She came to see that there was little evidence or corroboration to underpin the diagnosis and treatment that she witnessed. Olga was also a voice hearer, but kept this hidden from her psychiatric colleagues. When experiencing stress and trauma, Olga came to be admitted to a psychiatric ward, diagnosed as schizophrenic and treated with a cocktail of psychiatric drugs. Olga’s experienced the antipsychotic drug Clozapine. Olga stopped her psychiatric drugs which she had been taking for ten years. Psychiatry’s story of hopelessness and chronic illness that is so often sold to patients. Olga now views her work from a post-psychiatry perspective.

Hosted by Taking Control of Psychiatric Medication Mutual Support Group, Organic Recovery Learning Community, Niamos, Hulme, Manchester With thanks to National Survivor Users Network (NSUN) for their sponsorship.

My name is Leonard Porteus, i'm suffering through something called Tin Foil Hat/V2K and it has some other names. Its done by someone spitting on your toothbrush and using acupuncture pen (Carrier Wave) and then connecting you to a Morse Key (Radio). Its possible these people have buttons in their mouths. A stripper broke into my home and did this to me. They gave me the map up here because I beat this old method from 1900 somehow, I think its because i'm telling people to pull 9Vs batteries off the shelves. Every country has this problem, the method is being distributed on a pedophile platform worldwide. Here's the map of New York they gave me because of this. (Its not just the map either)

Brockport, New York

Spencerport, New York

Fairport, New York

Waterport, New York

Lockport, New York

Gates, New York

Churchville, New York

Greece, New York

Rome, New York

Victor, New York

Adirondack Mountains

Lake Ontario

Anyone else flipping out lately? I've been immobilized like 2 weeks now, maybe more. Yelling, flipping out. The back & forth is incessant & driving me into modes of rage & deep, deep sorrow. I'm considering going on some stronger meds. The voices are constantly mocking & harassing me & now they keep telling me I need to die. They were never this aggressive before but for whatever reason they are so aggressive. I was hoping I could find solace in faith but the voices incessant rapey nature drove me into a rage. I was hoping to find my way Home but ☹️☹️☹️

Had a semi audible thought, (feels like its trending more audible oddly enough)... it was just a random phrase... debated on searching it up, but when i did a song from a really obscure artist(80 something followers on spotify and a somewhat raunchy name), listened to it a bit. Anyone else sometimes do that?

Might not be the best idea. Just chilling lol, felt a bit disturbing this time idk why. Had a headache today and maybe a migraine later in the day.

Noticed they don't really seem to have the lower frequencies...just the higher ones, so it couldve been a womans voice almost..or im struggling hearing those lower ranges affecting it. Singer in the song i looked up was a woman as well...

">85% of experiencers participating in this Open Dialogue method of peer led community report wellness into full recovery within 5 years. " um... is it bad if i dont feel like its really a problem for me personally? Ik I should, but it just feels neutral, sorta distracting at times, but just that something is trying to reach out and communicate.

Hi all, It seems like a lot of people start hearing voices in early adulthood and I’m wondering if there’s anyone in the group who started hearing them in older age.

A loved one started hearing voices in her late 60s and has been hearing them for about 4.5 years now. She was tested for neurodegenerative disorders but she’s not showing any other signs. Thankfully, she’s been able to figure out how to live with them and is doing ok. I worry though because she is alone and reluctant to talk much about them since talking about them seems to make things worse.

I guess I’m just interested in hearing from others who’ve started hearing voices later in life. Seems rare to have that happen without a neurodegenerative disease…

Taking Control of Medication: A conversation with Alison Branitski and Dirk Corstens

From the video’s description: “Following our first well attended online meeting in April 2020 we organised a second online public meeting in July on this important issue. This time we invited Alison Branitski from Massachussets, USA and Dirk Corstens from near Amsterdam in the Netherlands. Alison no longer uses psychiatric medication and Dirk is a psychiatrist. We invited them both because of their knowledge and experiences and because they worked together on a project run by the Psychosis Research Unit here in Greater Manchester. They considered the issues surrounding coming off medication from their own perspectives. We also brought back together the six people with different experiences who spoke about medication at our last meeting and who will respond to the conversation.

More information about our guests Alison Branitsky is a survivor researcher who works with the Psychosis Research Unit and Complex Trauma and Resilience Research Units in Manchester, as well as with the Hearing Voices Research and Development project in the USA. Her research focuses on the relationship between trauma and voice hearing, with a particular interest in psychosocial ways of responding to voices, such as voice dialogue and peer support. Outside of research, Alison uses her own experiences coming off psychiatric drugs to support others to make informed choices about medication. She has facilitated peer support groups on hearing voices, suicide, spirituality, and withdrawing from psychiatric medication.

Dirk Corstens is a social psychiatrist and psychotherapist and has been a key collaborator in Marius Romme and Sandra Escher’s Hearing Voices project at the University of Maastricht, Netherlands, since 1992. He was Chair of the Intervoice Board between 2009 and 2016 during which period hearing voices work was established in 11 new countries. During his work and research, Dirk discovered that many people who hear challenging voices found that a turning point in coping with the experience is finding different ways of talking with and understanding them. Exploring the voice’s motives and discovering different ways of relating to them can help change the relationship between the voice-hearer and their voices. We have invited people who have expressed an interest in this issue. With thanks to National Survivor Users Network for their sponsorship. This event is organized by the Manchester based Taking Control of Psychiatric Medication Network”

This has been done since 1900, its not new age technology or the Government. Its your next door neighbor per say, you invited someone over or they broke into your home and they used your bathroom, during that time they spat on your toothbrush and used something electrical (I think Acupuncture Pens) and connected you to a morse key, they somehow talk to you, through this. With relay or whatever it works out to be. They are electrical though, the whole thing is, so they run on batteries. Wipe the shelves bare. Stock up and pile up on batteries, and spread the word. They want to torture us, we'll squeeze them, make them pay $100 to simply change the channel of their TV. They want to use electric that way, its going to hurt more than their Morse Key manipulation. We get rich off of turning it off, and wiping the batteries off the shelves will turn more and more people off. They won't have any batteries to keep it going if there's nothing on the shelf. We target the 9V Batteries, these are the Radio Batteries.

Sometimes I'll have something ring around in my mind, which couldnt come from anywhere else.. I.e. "aluminium" or "I hope so" perhaps potentially slightly relevant to whatever topic I was thinking of on hand. Its not quite a conscious thought, however recently I realized that I might be second guessing myself on wether someone is talking to me really quietly from another room or from a distance or wether its some sort of audible thought situation. I.e. its hard to differentiate, and I think the only difference might be that with close up sounds I can to some extent feel the person talking. Mostly if not always its something calm, emotionless in alot of cases, no real meaning or use attatched to it.

I have some level of hearing loss so its likely some level of musical ear syndrome, however sometimes it happens in contexts where there is very limited background noise and the pitches are incongruent with the pitch of the background noise. This likely just ads on to it all. I've had a few false positives where I just ignored something cause I thought it was my brain being fickle with me but it turned out to be someone I knew, which somewhat tipped me off to the fact that I'm unsure if its trully some sort of audible thought that I don't ascribe to myself(random people I don't know most usually), or hearing an actual person in my vicinity peak(often to me but sometimes to another person in the area).

Did you noticed havanna symptoms before this happening?