If we find dinosaur fossils and they also perished in a catastrophic event, why don’t we have bones or other evidence of the ancient civilization?

Graham and him seemed to joined at the hip.

“I’m being cancelled by Archaeology”

“I’m more popular than you Flint”

I prescribe to his theory, but jeez he needs to drop the chip on his shoulder attitude it’s ruining his credibility to present his theory as plausible.

Everything he says is seasoned with a jab at archaeology, if he just took the higher ground it would say a lot more about the likes of Dibble(who let’s face it is clearly out to smear Hancock) and really make people go “fuck these guys are hammering this Graham bloke all the time, what a bunch of assholes” Graham fighting back is essentially making him no better than them.

He also needs to strategise & prioritise what he studies and presents, sure there is lots of information across multiple dig sites/lovations that possibly make up the bigger picture of this lost civilisation, but picking tid bits from each seems counterintuitive why not present 1 or 2 sites in depth and spend more time trying to get the evidence.

WOW.

The first few chapters felt like, ok... so anthropology is a cliquish horror show of ego's and slathering ancient artists with current dogma... but I'm like, isnt that just all human endeavors?

But then, he gets into psychedelic use and then to how 2% of humanity seems to have the ability to go into anomalous altered conscious experience, and mushrooms/ayahuasca are just a means for the rest of us to get there too...

And theres evidence for a hidden LANGUAGE in our DNA because linguists that use a formula to measure mathematically all human languages, with value of a word having a correlation to its prevalence in usage, and most of the genome DOESN'T... but that huge portion of "junk" DNA present in all life on the planet in fact - DOES???

Then, that people on DMT may in fact be directly interacting with a coded system of conscious information gathering entities working at the level of our DNA in a slightly adjacent dimension/reality????

Blew my mind wide open.

And I don’t have anyone I can talk with about it, so hope its ok here....

Holy cow & Hayzeus kristo.

Whew.

Anyone else read it?

I made this as a comment elsewhere, but I figured it'd be a good post on its own.

The best practice is to not engage with these folks. They are very narrow minded in what is “proven” or not. If something is peer reviewed, it doesn’t mean it is true or not. So many peer reviewed studies or articles are factually wrong (specifically on archaeology, food, diet, and weight training). The peer review process is corrupt, flawed, and biased towards whomever is funding the particular study. Peer reviewed studies are false 14-29% of the time. There is also the replication crisis to worry about.

The replication crisis, also known as the reproducibility crisis and the replicability crisis, is a crisis that impacts the methodology of scientific research. Over time, it has been realized by several bodies that the results of many scientific studies are hard or almost impossible to accurately reproduce.

Replication Crisis

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

-1984

No matter what you say, they have already decided you’re a buffoon for even listening to Graham Hancock’s ideas. They constantly push the goal posts, use strawman arguments and whataboutism. They don’t respect you and are not here to listen to anything you have to say. There are exceptions, but, they're so few and far between it's not worth your time.

If they applied the same level of scrutiny to other things, they wouldn't accept the existence of the proton (never been directly observed) or previously the existence of a black hole (only first directly observed in 2019).

Forgotten Civilization by Robert Schoch, phd, Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock, or Giza Power Plant by Chris Dunn are great places to start. Not perfect. But just very interesting reads. Fun fact, the Giza Power Plant was recommended to me in 2010 by a university history professor, who has published peer-reviewed articles.

Just block these tourists and move on with your life. Let them be unhappy and angry at a strawman on their own.

Edit

If you are here in good faith, then I'm not talking about you. There are specifically folks that come in here and assume the worst and its evident even in the comments below. A buncha sealions.

Seriously asking because a lot of you just shitting on him

I only heard him say “old age is a bitch” when switching pairs but didn’t hear him say why any of the 5 pairs were better at something than another. Like, was one pair better at reading his computer vs looking at the big screen?

I never noticed him doing that before on Rogan.

TBH it kind of looked like a nervous tick, but IDK

Is it worth reading Fingerprints of The Gods? I’ve heard that some of his beliefs have changed a good bit so wondering if it is still worth it or if I should go straight to Magicians of The Gods?

Fingerprint of the Gods used Hapgood’s Continental Displacement Theory to advocate for an ice-free Antarctica where this advanced civilization could have lived. I am pleasantly surprised to see that Graham now dismisses that idea and the work of Hapgood. Hapgood himself and Einstein also dismissed the Continental Displacement Theory. Make this idea go away as a viable mechanism for the Younger Dryas.

Notice that Graham is supporting the collapse of the Atlantic thermohaline circulation as the mechanism for the onset of the Younger Dryas. This is the mainstream scientific communities hypothesis of what initiated the Younger Dryas.

https://youtu.be/Rw63ui_o8-o?si=QVqK4LpWz5EaazOT

As I understand it, these 2 sites and other Stone Mountain culture sites in Turkey were buried by earlier cultures for unknown reasons….

My question is how did consensus reach this conclusion?

It seems more likely to me the whole area was covered by silt, mud and earth during flooding or other natural causes.

Anyone have some insight on this?!?

So first, I'll admit that me asking this question was inspired by the Rogan episode hosting Hancock and Dr. Dibble. The evidence against agriculture prior to the Younger Dryas is persuasive to me (though I'm open to hearing other evidence).

My question is this: Couldn't there have been large man-made stoneworks and monuments built by hunter-gatherers before the development of agriculture, in the Younger Dryas, or even earlier in human prehistory?

We know that Göbekli Tepe was built by people who did not farm.

The Brewarrina Aboriginal Fish Traps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewarrina_Aboriginal_Fish_Traps were built by people who did not farm, but instead managed fish (as the name suggests) at least 3000 years ago.

Would we not expect pre-agricultural peoples throughout anatomically modern human prehistory to have built similarly massive sites, perhaps with astronomical alignments, without invoking any agriculture, or any globalization by these peoples?

Graham is a brilliant storyteller, however the crux of his theory has always been to appeal to ignorance. Meaning, from when he started with Finger Prints of the Gods and theorized that Antarctica could be the homeland of his lost civilization to his recent work America Before where he says it might be in the Amazon he has relied on the unknown and lack of information to try to use it to support his theory. He willingly admitted in the debate that all the evidence archeology has currently gathered does not support his theory. The only way to disprove Graham in his mind is to have the entire globe archeologically excavated. It’s the exact same faulty logical tactics cryptid, alien, and conspiracy believers use to justify their beliefs. No one can disprove their beliefs outright so they just assume they are correct even if all the evidence we do have goes against their beliefs.