/r/GothicLanguage
/r/GothicLanguage is a community dedicated to the discussion of the Gothic language.
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Welcome to /r/GothicLanguage! This community is dedicated to learning and discussing Gothic language and culture, as well as sharing resources that cater to this interest.
Gothic is an extinct East Germanic language fragmentarily attested in a number of religious texts. The bulk of attestation is found in a translation of the Gospels traditionally accredited to an early Arian bishop named Ulfilas (c. 311-383). Fragments of the Gospels survive in a number of codices, foremost among which is the Codex Argenteus. The Codices Ambrosiani contain additional fragments, including the Pauline epistles and an incomplete commentary on the Gospel of John referred to by scholars as the Skeireins (𐍃𐌺𐌴𐌹𐍂𐌴𐌹𐌽𐍃), the Gothic word for 'explanation'. Further fragments are found in the Codex Carolinus, Codex Taurinensis, Codex Gissensis, and Codex Bononiensis. Fragments of a calendar and deeds are also preserved.
Gothic is the earliest extensive record of a Germanic language. The only sources that predate it are fragmentary inscriptions written in runic script. Because of this, Gothic offers invaluable insight to the structure of its parent language Proto-Germanic, the theoretical ancestor of all Germanic languages including English.
We encourage anyone interested in the language to ask questions and share their knowledge on this subreddit. Posts in Gothic are also highly encouraged!
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Is there any way to know which of these two ends will a weak verb take ? I know it will take a long end -eis if the previous syllabe has a long vowel (sókeis, þugkeis) but, that's the only case I can foretell.
I would like to know how would you gothify some of these names :
Manchester, Norwich, Cambridge, Sheffield
Chernobil, Chelyabinsk, Kamchatka, Voronezh, Izhevsk, Tselinograd
Ashgabat, Tashkent, dushanbe, Hiroshima
Najran, Jiddah, Jizan
Machupicchu, Chichén itzá, teotihuacán, Azkatlán
Sometimes I localize posters for fun and I'm kinda into linguistics and scripts, so a Gothic Django poster sounds to me like a fun little project. I'm not a Gothic specialist, so I hope someone here could help me.
I watched the Göttingen University lectures from the pinned post and read several Wiki articles. My current (possibly wrong or rough) translation is 𐌳𐌶𐌰𐌲𐌲𐍉 𐌲𐌰𐌻𐌰𐌿𐍃𐌹𐌸𐍃.
As far as I understand, early Germanic languages didn't have the /ʒ/ phoneme, but /z/ was retracted [z̠] in Proto-Germanic and likely retained this quality in Gothic. But if it actually was [ʒ] or [z] as said in the phonology lecture, to me 𐌶 still looks like the best option.
Perhaps the name could be (somehow) adopted as a u-stem verb, but I ended up leaving it indeclinable / having an irregular declension like 𐍆𐌰𐍂𐌰𐍉. Anyway, I don't plan to use it it beyond this one title.
Upd. As @arglwydes pointed out, it wasn't a good choice. 𐌳𐌶𐌰𐌲𐌲𐍉 can be declined as a regular ōn-stem noun.
According to Wiktionary, 𐌲𐌰𐌻𐌰𐌿𐍃𐌾𐌰𐌽 means to make loose or free, set free
/ to liberate, rescue
. The Gothic Dictionary from the Resources post and some others I found in Google Books say more or less the same. Maybe there's a more direct or poetic way to translate unchained I didn't find.
And it seems that if I want it to mean the freed one or so, I need to use the past participle 𐌲𐌰𐌻𐌰𐌿𐍃𐌹𐌸𐍃.
Any suggestions and critique are welcome🙃
And if it's OK, I'll share the poster here then it will be finished.
I have seen that there is a small community that tries to use Gothic, such as the user that posts videos in the Gothic language and I was wondering if there are more channels that post content in the Gothic language.
Is there also music in the Gothic language? Any users that use Gothic for their music?
Also, do you think that if tried to do covers of pop songs into the Gothic language, that people would react positively to it? I feel like people like to use extinct languages for "Epic" music type of content, but I wonder how Gothic would sound like in a more modern setting, bringing it back for the 21st century.
Hello!
From what Proto-Germanic *words could originate Gothic letter names "thyth" and "chozma" (𐌸𐌹𐌿𐌸 and *𐌺𐌿𐍃𐌼𐌰)?
Thanks!
Was playing around with AI music and this was the product
Specifically in a Roman Empire sense. I'm playing a modded Crusader Kings 3 game as the line of Alaric ruling over Italy and I wanted to name my realm something on the same "tier" as the Roman Empire. How might you say "Gothic Empire" or "Emperor of the Goths"?
Hello! Were there any differences in writing of ai and aí in Wulfilan alphabet? Thank you!
Hi, I've been searching for a good while the gothic versions of the names Theudigisel and Reccared, however, I've searched through a good bunch of dictionaries and etymologies, and I can't find neither of this. Any good place I could find thesea t?
I was trying to find a good copy of this Bible and I'm not exactly sure where to find one. Ideally, I would like one that uses the OE characters and macrons found in this old copy:
https://archive.org/details/gothicandanglos00ulfigoog/page/46/mode/2up
I'm not sure if they make them anymore. I also would love a copy in the Wulfila's script. Ideally, in both :) Thanks!
Nauhþan sind managa waurda in þizai razdai unskeiriba usspilloda in nuta sinteinamma seinamma, swaswe manna waurdis «auljaband» faur waurd «video» brūkjai. Wainei wesi azetizo du witan hwarjis waurdis skuljau hwar brūkjan. Nu ni aiw wait arniba jau fraþjada fram anþaramma.
Hwarjaizo waurdaboko brūkeiþ jūs? Jah habandu þos waurdabokos niwiwaurdja in im?
I know this is not necessarily Gothic, but it is still East Germanic and I had no idea where else to post this.
A friend and I have been working on reconstructing Vandalic from the attestations we have, and the help of Frederik Hartmann’s “The Vandalic Language: Origins and Relationships”. The rendering below is not necessarily focused on one period of Vandalic, moreso the middle to later periods than the earlier ones however.
We are still unsure of what to do with the syntax, but for the time being, decided to just use Gothic’s.
Do let me know what you think!
“Atta unsar, thū in iminam, vīnei namū thīn, quimei theudinassus thīns, verthei vilia thīns, suē in imina ia ana erthūi. Leif unsaranū thanū sintīnan gif uns imma daga, ia aflēt uns thatī sculans sieima, suasuē ia vīs aflētam theim sculam unsareim, ia ni bringeis uns in freistubniūi, ac lōsī uns af thamma ubilin. Untē thīna ist theudangardi ia mats ia vulthus in eivins.
Amēn.”
I have to learn gothic but I can't find any source to learn from cn anybody help
Hey guys, I'm new on this topic so I wanted to be sure on which resources base on to learn Gothic. Any ideas?
Friend: What kind of music do you like?
Me: Gothic!
Friend: *Plays Goth rock*
Me: No no, I meant this https://youtu.be/27HFLjI-zpc?feature=shared
Mine looks like this:
𐌵𐍈𐌴𐍂𐍄𐌿𐌹𐍉𐍀
𐌰𐍃𐌳𐍆𐌲𐌷𐌾𐌺𐌻
𐌶𐍇𐌸𐍅𐌱𐌽𐌼
𐍊 and 𐍁 are shifted from 𐍄 and 𐌿
Hello, all. I'm new to Gothic but so far enjoying it.
Simple question for those more well versed than I. If I want to make the famous "forgive us our trespasses" in the Lord's Prayer into singular, is "aflet mik þatei skulans sijau" correct? I'm scanning the original sentence as "may we be forgiven those debts" so I think I'm on track, but I'm not sure. Appreciate any help.
Goda daga! I decided to study Gothic actualy a bit earlier than what I said in the most recent post.
After a few lessons, I began to wonder about prayers. We know translation for Atta Unsar, yet what about "Hail Mary, full of grace..." and "Angel of God, my guardian..."?
If someone could provide me with these, I would be very pleased!
Thanks in advance kind strangers!
Pretty much self-explanitory. Did it differ much from the other Germanic variants, ie. "Ich/ik/I/jeg/eg"?
Sorry for the odd question, but there was a Germanic language called gothic, and apparently it survived longest in the Black Sea region, as recorded by a Flemish diplomat.
I looked at the word list he provided, and I see that he often confused s/sh, he sometimes wrote s as: sh, ch, sch. Could this be due to it having a retracted “s”, like in Greek and this transcription is due to the diplomat not knowing the sound and confused it with “sh” sometimes?
I also watched a video on YouTube that said that the “z” sound in the Germanic parent language could possibly have been retracted or palatalized; which gothic de-voices to “s”. Is this evidence for it?