What if both Valeska brothers become the Joker? What if we had the same ace chemicals episode but both Jerome and Jeremiah fell into the Vat of chemicals and came out as the Joker? I can only imagine how chaotic Gotham City would become if not 1 but 2 Joker existed.

Just imagine 10 years later a mysterious figure called the Joker emerges in Gotham and if written correctly not everyone could know who the Joker is, the only way to physically identify the Joker is by his green hair and Purple clothes. Jerome and Jeremiah could commit crimes one at a time throwing The G.C.P.D off of each other’s trail.

Or they could commit crimes at the same which would cause more confusion for Batman, the G.C.P.D, criminal underworld, and citizens alike and this would make “The Joker” a truly nightmarish threat as they would all wonder how can “The Joker” be at more than one place at the same time or if he’s even human.

Now in order to make this possible, Jerome cannot die in season 4 instead, he lives on through season 4 and 5. And again I say this can be possible if written correctly.

I mean I don't know about anyone else but killing lazlo. In season 4 in my eyes was a wasted stupid move he was one the best villains in season four they got his character bang on

I don't like they killed off the pig 🙄😡

#nygmobblepot is canon #nygmobblepot #riddlebird #gotham

I think you know perfectly well that Gordon is more flawed in this show than the comic book version and other adaptations. So I have a question. Is it right that Gordon sometimes takes power into his own hands and decides when to finish a criminal? Does this still make him a positive character who is right, or is he being deliberately made a man with flaws?

SPOILER-ALERT WARNING for New Watchers!

IK not many like the S5 finale, but I do lol

I can't get enough of this episode, and it's one of my favorites from S5 to watch lol

IK the Batsuit is crazy looking, but I suppose I don't mind it considering (as the title of the episode suggests) it's "the beginning" of the Batman life.

I love how it ended and wrapped up everything. As always, the actors are really good. I didn't mind aged up Selina, either.

At first, I didn't but after a few re-watches, I started seeing the benefit to it. I think they picked the perfect adult Selina, too.

Anyway, just want to spread the love <3

6. Everyone has a cobblepot

7. Mommy’s Little Monster

8. Welcome Back Jim Gordon

9. A Bitter Pill to Swallow

10. Prisoners

11. Mad Grey Dawn

I just found out that Falcone made certain that Liza was a spy and Penguin was right because he subtly check her wrists when he sees her and asks her if she's alright

Wanted to print and stick this on my wall but the quality isn’t the best when I print it. Has anyone got a slightly more HD version of this one specific poster saved?

The TV series Gotham was a decent show the concept of it made it seem better the idea was pretty cool showing it early years of Gotham City and the early years of Jim Gordon.

However, the final series was and at the same time wasn't what we got instead it became basically a a Batman series Without Batman who didn't appear until the very final episode.

While the overall story was pretty good there are some flaws and some things that need to be changed and we worked there are things that should have happened in the series and there are things that should not have happened in the series.

The pros of Gotham are that one it gives us an early look into what One Day become a Batman Universe or an early Gotham City younger versions of Bruce Wayne Jim Gordon and several other characters showing how they meet and how they become what they are now. An overall decent concept.

The cons or the issues of Gotham are the following way too many characters too many unfinished story arcs certain plot twists that didn't make sense such as the Joker being someone's twin brother and it also too many prototypes / predecessor characters too many teasers for characters we were never going to get so just Killer Croc, Lady Shiva, and Man-Bat.

Yes Gotham was Notorious for getting people's hopes up with certain things such as Jerome becoming the Joker, Bruce coming Batman, and making certain promises for the finale that weren't all the way fulfilled especially with the final reveal of the Joker or should I say Mr J.

That's the main thing the whole Joker debacle why try to use a character that you were never legally allowed to use in the first place just doesn't make any sense don't get me wrong the Valeska brothers were pretty cool mainly Jerome the character still shouldn't have existed because they were just teasers for a character that we were clearly never going to get.

Plus Gotham's idea of certain characters being inspired by other characters doesn't work for every character especially the Joker because it makes the Joker less of a villain because everything he would do would already have been done such as trying to blow up Gotham and cutting off his face.

It's overall lazy writing and a clear reminder that the writers just didn't know what they want if they wanted to tease the Joker they could just showed the Red Hood gang. them showing the Red Hood gang it could have been teaser enough for the Joker to pop up one day in the future instead of two crazy twins.

Another reason why I don't like the idea of the Joker being inspired by someone else it's because it would give him less of an impact on Gotham and it would make him too predictable and the one element of the Joker that makes him scary alongside not knowing his identity is not knowing his next move his unpredictability not knowing what he'll do next or when he'll strike

Then there's Batman, another character that hey were not legally allowed to use they were lucky they got to use him in the finale but they barely showed him which made certain decisions they made regarding him unnecessary such as recasting him with a stunt double and there was no need in the cast of him when we were never going to really see any scenes with that stunt double as well as the over detailed suit they could have stuck with something simple like spandex.

But Batman and Joker aside the series should have been what it was meant to be a prequel meaning less villains and focusing more on Jim Gordon we can still see younger versions of characters like Jim Gordon Bruce Wayne Oswald cobblepot and maybe even Roman Sionis while even good majority of the villains out of it saving them for the Batman continuity as the majority of them should be Batman villains and not Gotham prequel villains.

No teaser characters no prototype characters no need for any of those just focus on Gordon in his early years as a police detective in Gotham like start off with a more serious approach then you can tap into some of the Supernatural elements such as Indian Hills research and cloning facility.

I don't mind characters like the court of owls and you know the crime families in Indian Hills being the main villains of Gotham as they could be what lead to the origins of Batman's Rogues gallery and with them you have the teasers for the villains like showing the Red Hood gang which would serve as a teaser for the Joker while not promising that he'll be on the show in some way shape or form and getting people's hopes up.

You could keep Richard sionis and have him be the mask and one of his masks that he wears could be a black skull mask which could tease the black mask which would be his son Roman.

There is also the repetitive idea of characters coming back to life from the dead you know that could only work for a few characters but not every character.

Gotham was also notorious for the various unfinished story arcs which was a problem caused by large amount of characters in the show as well as the show's creators not knowing what direction they want to go with the overall story of the series.

And some character story arcs didn't feel like they were right for the character such as the Riddler having split personalities that's more of a Harvey Dent Two-Face story arc not a Riddler story arc.

And then another thing was season 5 I understand why season 5 had to be short you know with Disney buying the rights to Fox network and you know certain TV shows being cut because of it and even though it's not the best decision made I understand but the story could have been a bit better had it not been for its many issues such as the many plot holes and not finishing story arcs like the Mr Freeze and fire fly Arc and rushed story arcs or certain characters like Jeremiah Valeska leaving them with no development

And there is this series finale now the events that take transpire in the series finale are basically a whole season worth a bit like too much happening in one episode could have been better if the finale was maybe longer like a two-part finale or just a lengthy 1 hour finale because there's certain story elements in the plot such as Bruce Wayne returning to Gotham after 10 years, the emergence of Batman, Catwoman stealing the diamond. The opening of Wayne Tower, The emergence of the Joker, And the penguin getting out of prison after 10 years. That would fill out an entire season or a lengthy 1 hour or two part event and not one little 30-minute episode because all of that cannot happen in one day it would take more than just one day for all that to happen

So overall the series was decent but it could have been better if it didn't have all these issues if the writers knew what they wanted to do and did a better job in writing it and it could have been that way but the fans wanted too much and at the end of the day the show needed too much to thrive otherwise it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did

That it took only took three batarangs for Batman to take out The Joker. Like it’s ever been that easy.