Sorry for off topic, but does anyone know what's happened to Shawn? I used to see him here a lot but it's been a few months since I've seen anything from him.

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I’m currently interested in focusing my study and practice of magick into ecstatic states.

If any of you know a an exercise, practice, book or magickal system I could get into in order to get closer to the experience of a ecstatic state, I would be very thankful.

When is the most efficient time of day to do the middle pillar? I was doing it on my lunch break however with the nature of my work, working with the public and coming into contact with a lot of energy would it be more effective morning or evening?

I've been trying for the last couple of years to get my apartment repaired. It's meant to be repaired by the builder that built the building. I have a big leak in my bathroom that has led to a huge growth of black mould and I had to leave as it made me quite sick after a few years. The strata that manages the building and the builder have been extremely dishonest, underhanded and morally bankrupt. Every couple of weeks they try and do something to cheat me out of getting the repairs done. I could get it repaired myself but it will cost about 35k and I can't get approval for that until the next annual meeting which is 8 months away. I have exhausted the limit of what I can pursue to get this addressed. What spirit would be good to ask for help in this matter? I can make an agreement with them for some offerings in exchange. It's driving me crazy. I'm still working through grades and I don't think I'm ready yet to get a reliable result through working the magick solely myself. I also think I am working through some karmic lessons, so some magick is not going to work yet. Perhaps this is one of them, but I'm not sure what to do at this point.

I am interested in joining a HOGD group, but not the group in NY. Might anyone recommend a group please? Anyone know or spiritual groups in New Haven?

Heya folks, newbie to Reddit here.

As a youtube content creator, I love making educational videos, but they have to ring with sense or else my work (and legacy) are not on solid ground.

Bit of background here, hopefully not too much -

I'm an old fan of the western occult tradition such as Crowley, Meyers-Briggs, the Golden Dawn, and the Thoth Tarot deck.

I have recently cognized that the decans of ancient Egyptian astrology (36 signs instead of 12) are interwoven into the imagery and energies hidden in the Minor Arcana.

This makes for great fortune-gazing, as knowing your decanate and corresponding card gives profound insight into your nature and what Crowley calls the 'True Will.'

I am born on Nov 8th, the 2nd decanate of Scorpio (16° 30'), so the card for my Sun is the 6 of cups, resonating with Tiphareth and happiness in the soul.

(for fun context, I went through Chris Hyatt's "Sex Magick Tantra Tarot" ceremony by myself while loaded on a Syrian-Rue based Psilouasca brew. It involved me contemplating and listening to a recording of my own voice repeating the motifs of my cards. That was 2017, what a trip!)

Another key part of this self-reflective fortune gazing involves meditating upon and contemplating one's Minor Arcana court card based on the birthday. This resonates with a certain elemental formula that is commonly understood -

Queens are Water,

Princes/Pages are Air,

Knights / Kings are Fire.

Furthermore, there is of course an association with the suits themselves:

Swords are Air

Disks are Earth

Wands are Fire

Cups are Water

You mix them together, and you get a deep nuanced vision of your sun's vital nature, making for some excellent psycho-analytical context while reading texts such as Crowley's rendition of the court cards in his Thoth book.

Combining the Court card (Prince of Cups) and the Decanate card (6 of cups) really gave me alot of self-awareness... Especially after a psychedelic yoga session!

Now, I am lucky because I'm born in the 2nd decanate of my scorpio sign, so I am for sure the Prince of Cups according to the Thoth Tarot and the Golden Dawn. Contemplating that card has surely invoked some interesting shadow work for me, and my observation of my nature since childhood.

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Here is where things get hairy.

Some people have considered correlating the zodiac signs very cleanly to the corresponding court cards, as that would make logical sense.

Ie,

All 30° of the Cardinal signs (Aries, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn) correlate with the QUEEN cards of their respective elemental suit.

All 30° of the Fixed signs (Taurus, Leo, Scoprio, Aquarius) correlate with the PRINCE cards of their respective elemental suit.

All 30° of the Mutable signs (Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, Pisces) correlate with the KING cards of their respective elemental suit.

This would thankfully still put me as the Prince of Cups, so I can still cleanly use my original card.

However, many people would unfortunately have to (annoyingly) blend their zodiac sign energy with another card's energy if they are born in the span of 20-30 degrees of a zodiac sign.

Most people assert "that last 20-30 degrees is like a cusp blending the previous court card to the suceeding one."

Thus if someone was born around Nov 15th, they would have the Scorpio trademark fixed-sign water element nature, but it would be blended in with the succeeding court card resonating with Sagittarius (king of wands).

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Now the dreaded question that stops me from doing this stuff on youtube has me wracking my brain over a quandary that I think perhaps nobody can answer in full confidence.

I'll venture to convey it here:

What, if anybody could surmise, is the historical reason for this 20 degree shift in the zodiac decanate association for the court cards?

Can anybody give me a reason which DOES NOT have anything to do with my worrisome follow-up theory, ie, the precession of the equinox?

We all know it comes from Crowley and the Golden Dawn, but where did THEY get it from?

Is it a SIDEREAL reference, are they using decanates of the STARS which are now even more than 20 degrees ahead of where they were in the TROPICAL zodiac 2000 years ago?

I feel it could be a sidereal mix-up, and if that's the case, I have a whole shpeel prepared full of interesting quanderies.

But I want to first ask if anyone knows any rational reason or roots beyond that thought, or whether its origins are 'shrouded in the mystery of tradition.'

Where does this extraneous 20° slanted wheel of the court cards come from? It is driving me nuts!

Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks for reading this article, I hope it at least sparked some meditation.

Hi. I'm looking for the volumes of Israel Regardie about the inner order work in Golden Dawn. Volume I to IV is only outer order. Somebody here can share thes volumes? Thanks.

Not that popularity has any importance, but for example the r/thelema sub has almost 10x subscribers. Likewise with r/chaosmagick . Why did golden dawn, despite having great history, lose favor?

Title.. I live in Brisbane, Australia and I don't know where to go to look.

I don’t believe in spirits, but i enjoy the GD magic rituals and believe the rituals have meaning. I just do not believe in spirits, and if they are real, I do not care to interact with them at all. I have taken a break from GD magic for over a year, and been wanting to get back into it, but always wondered if i need to believe in spirits or if i could kind of skip that whole part? starting to think i should just stick with studying Kabbalah and doing astrological magic instead if i don’t believe in spirits.

"Attn: Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (HOGD) Members

I am interested in learning more about the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (HOGD) and potentially joining the organization.

Could anyone please share information on:

• The application process
• Membership requirements
• Any recommended reading or preparation

-Lodge in East Africa

I would appreciate any guidance or advice from current members.

Thank you!

Greetings all, I have been a little hesitant to post about this however due to recent events I think it’s finally time to ask. I’ve been studying the Golden Dawn system since march via Kabbalah Magick. Before I undertook these studies I was heavily dedicated and practiced demonolatry and theistic satanism. I had always felt drawn to the left hand path since my teenage years thus sparking my interest and devotion to said path for about 10 years. Since beginning my study and practice with the Golden Dawn System I have definitely felt the power of certain exercises/rituals like the LRP invoking and banishing and middle pillar. Since I am still in the neophyte grade I have not done much more than this aside from some tarot reading and daily adorations. With that all being said I have suddenly felt a pull or attraction rather, back to these “dark” energies/entities recently and it is causing major mental and emotional distress. A part of me feels like I want to go back to this, however I have negative associations with this path after starting my new journey via the golden dawn system. Sometimes it feels as if I am bound to this side so I am having a hard time discerning whether or not this is a genuine interest or if this is a negative attachment from the energies I worked with? Could it be some kind of Christian trauma making me have a hard time choosing between “good” and “evil” ? Or is it possible to work both systems thus finding a balance between positive and negative polarities? I apologize if this is a bit confusing but if anyone understand where I’m coming from and can offer any advice I would greatly appreciate it!

"Fear is failure so be thou without fear. For he who trembles at the Flame and at the Flood and at the Shadows of the Air, hath no part in God."

That's the last thing I saw Sam post online before he passed. No comment really, just a reminder.

Just As the title says ,I went trough some kind of eschatological experience and at the end it I received a lot of “information “ or as I like to call it simply inspiration on the importance of the mastery of the elements for the western spiritual community ,one of those things that I felt prompted to try and create was a more “grounded” chakra system in juxtaposition to the middle pillar cause I always felt like the main difference with the two systems (eastern and western one) are that one (the middle pillar) isn’t actually in the body but you put it there and it works , this one I feel like it actually pertains to our already existing energy centers I’ve experimented with it and it works wonders for me ,let me know if you guys know about ANYTHING similar cause I’m navigating in the wilderness alone as of now and I would benefit from a point of reference

Here the energy centers are portrayed as angels cause those are the entities I work with exclusively. The entities around the body are the archangels of the zodiac ,what I’m referring to are the ones placed in the body .

I'm not sure what to write here. The Golden Dawn has been at the root of my Interest in magic for the the past 23 years. I say it's been at my root meaning it's always been in the background it seemed. It as a theme appeared in dreams awhile back. I'm looking for someone to ask a few questions to.

I'm not going to lie, I'm very interested in the Qlippoth tree. But I noticed that the Golden Dawn has written very little about this tree. I know many consider it horrific, but it's still a dark aspect of God. Why did the Golden Dawn barely study the tree and consider it unnecessary information? Are there any works that go deeper into the tree in the Golden Dawn, I'd really like to see them

I have previously introduced myself here but here’s a quick introduction

My name is William sims I am from England I am interested in the golden dawn for a number of reasons one of which being my great uncle was in the golden dawn but that also means the family are heavily against it anyway I am looking for someone to teach me the practices so if anyone can it would be much appreciated

Hello! I used to be an atheist so saying some of this stuff out loud makes me feel like I sound crazy, however, I wanted to see if anyone had something similar happen to them. Yesterday I was doing my ritual of relaxation and doing box breathing as well and I could feel myself somewhat falling into that deep level of meditation that third eye pressure was building on my forehead and I could feel myself getting deeper and deeper into my meditation. I started to see thing almost vividly like I was looking through my eyelids but not into my room into another liminal space type of room then it shifted to stars and then to like a baphomet type creature I waved it away then I heard a voice that sounded like my voice but I wasn't speaking and the gist was it was explaining all the things I was seeing as not being evil or bad because everything is made up of the Creator. There is no good no evil there just IS and so I let everything go and kept meditating then all of a sudden everything slipped and I'm seeing like viscera and like slimy flesh and eyes and mouths and then I immediately stopped meditating and finished up my regular evening rituals. I've never had anything like that happen before and I've never gotten that deep before. Should I be worried. No history of psychosis or anything like that.

Hello I’m new to the practices of the golden dawn but I’m not new to magick

Is anyone here from England if so please reply to this post as I’m looking for other magicians here Thank you,

William sims.

Hello. Maybe this question has been asked before but I would love to hear the communities perspective on this.

I've heard some people say that these rituals are essentially objective meaning that they all do very specific things and that there is no way that they can do otherwise. On the other hand, I've heard many people including legit practitioners say that ultimately it is the intent of the magician that creates the meaning and the effect. I'd love to hear the communities thoughts on this debate.

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

I am currently learning about Egyptian gods in my work. I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations on if any documentaries of this nature. I’ve been looking through my streaming apps and they all seem archeology based. I am looking to watch a documentary or series that discusses spirituality/religion and culture to compliment the reading I am doing. Perhaps YouTube might be a better option as well.

Im seeking information on temples or Golden Dawn organizations in Indonesia. If anyone here is familiar or associated with relevant groups in the country please feel free to share any recourses through this thread or reach out to me through a private message. Thank you very much.

I did the LBRP and I feel like I am going to puke. Is this because of the energy gained from doing this ritual?

So I’m a new practitioner and this was my first two times doing the LBRP. So the first time I did this ritual I accidentally put my hand down(I was looking at the green book) but non the less I continued and finished it off. I then decided to do it again and everything went smoothly, until i finished the ritual. After I did my closing QC I felt a strange gut feeling. You know like one of those feelings when you don’t realize something is bad, but your gut is telling you otherwise. In my younger years I was a Christian so I do have some negative connotations with the pentagram. So, has this feeling happened to anyone else before? I’m just not sure if it’s due to loss of energy or because I subconsciously think the pentagram could be bad?

Thanks for taking the time to read, and answer my question.

Hi! I’m starting my preparations for the Probationer phase, using The Big Green Book as my main guide. I found the daily and weekly exercises and rituals a bit challenging to follow, so I created a 6-month exercise plan as recommended (though I understand it may take longer). I couldn't find any pre-made plans online, so I made my own structure version based on the text. I’d appreciate help with two things:

1. Is this outline correct? Am I missing something?
2. I’ve noticed some people discourage focusing solely on the LBRP and suggest adding the LIRP as well. My edition only mentions using the LBRP. What would be the best course of action? Also, I’ve read that the LIRP should be done in the morning and the LBRP in the evening. Is this necessary, or can both be done in the morning?

Month 1 - Daily Awareness Practice

• Week 1: Darkness Technique: Daily deep breathing and covering eyes with palms for total darkness.
• Week 2: Sense Awareness Techniques: Daily walks, mentally noting everything seen without analysis.
• Week 3: Focus on One Object: Daily walks, focusing on one object and noting details.
• Week 4: Color Awareness: Daily walks focusing on a specific color:
  • Sunday: Orange
  • Monday: Blue
  • Tuesday: Red
  • Wednesday: Yellow
  • Thursday: Violet
  • Friday: Green
  • Saturday: Blue-Violet (Indigo)

Month 2 - Daily Awareness Practice

• Week 1: Sound Awareness: Daily walks, concentrating on various sounds without analysis.
• Week 2: Focus on One Sound: Daily walks, focusing on one sound and noting details.
• Week 3: Tactile Awareness: Daily noting of different touch sensations, closing eyes at times.
• Week 4: Taste Awareness: Daily noting of tastes, closing eyes at times.

Month 3 - Daily Awareness Practice

• Week 1: Smell Awareness: Daily noting of smells, closing eyes at times.
• Week 2: Focus on One Smell: Daily noting of one specific smell.
• Weeks 3-4: Physical Exercise: Begin a regular exercise routine (e.g., swimming, jogging, yoga) to maintain physical fitness.

Month 4 - Visualization Exercise Daily Practice

• Visualize a yellow ball of astral substance, followed by red, blue, and black balls. Focus on dissolving each ball in reverse order after visualization.

Month 5: Meditation Series

Weeks 1-4:

• Meditation 1 (Themis):
  • Rituals:
    • Take a ritual bath.
    • Perform a ritual of relaxation.
    • Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram (LBRP).
    • Adoration to the Lord of the Universe. Give four knocks.
  • Visualizations:
    • Visualize sitting in a violet ovoid shape.
    • Visualize the goddess Themis and her attributes.
    • Visualize the scales and chalice merging with your body. Meditate on the goddess before allowing her to fade.

Month 6: Meditation Series

Weeks 1-2:

• Meditation 2 (Maat):
  • Rituals:
    • Take a ritual bath.
    • Perform a ritual of relaxation. Light a yellow candle.
    • Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram.
    • Adoration to the Lord of the Universe. Give four knocks.
  • Visualizations:
    • Visualize sitting in a violet ovoid shape.
    • Visualize the goddess Maat and her attributes.
    • Visualize the feather and the ankh being absorbed into your body. Meditate on the goddess before allowing her to fade.

Weeks 3-4:

• Meditation 3 (Thmé):
  • Rituals:
    • Take a ritual bath.
    • Perform a ritual of relaxation. Light a yellow candle.
    • Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram.
    • Adoration to the Lord of the Universe. Give four knocks.
  • Visualizations:
    • Visualize sitting in a violet ovoid shape.
    • Visualize the goddess Thmé and her attributes.
    • Visualize the ceramic jar and the feather being absorbed into your hands.

Meditate on the goddess before allowing her to fade.

Additional Notes

Bringing Down the Light: Practice this technique for at least three months prior to self-initiation.

Record Keeping: Maintain a written record of all meditations and exercises to track spiritual growth and insights.

I recently began studying the book The Complete Golden Dawn System by the esteemed Israel Regardie. I have reached the second chapter, dedicated to the Tattvas and problems of the Eastern tradition. I don’t understand this at all, since the Eastern tradition itself is incomprehensible and alien to me. Israel Regardie says that the Tattvas must be studied and practiced in order to develop "contemplation with spiritual vision", this is the basis of the basic training system. But if I cannot work at all according to the Eastern tradition. How can I replace this moment? Or work around it? I understand that the Golden Dawn system does not allow exceptions, but there must be some kind of alternative?

I've read people saying that when you're self initiating into Golden Dawn from books like SI by Cicero, you shouldn't rush through the grades because it can cause elemental imbalance and cause problems such as ego inflation, megalomania etc

On the other hand I've also read mostly positive reviews on Modern Magick book.

I'm confused because Modern Magick takes a shorter duration to complete. Does it not cause elemental imbalance as you're rushing from beginner to intermediate/advanced rituals when working with that book (compared to the duration of SI into GD course)?

I want to go through MM boom first and then dive into my 'formal' initiation journey but I have this question

Hey everyone, I've been interested in the Golden Dawn and it's practices for a while now, and I want to know more. I'm from a Christian (and more specifically Catholic) background, and I do still practice my faith.