Is there any connection between forneus and haures?in some sources I've seen their name being used interchangeably but their description seems completely different, also would appreciate if anyone can share upg experiences with haures !🙏

any deities you would recommend for people like us? sorry if this comes off a little obnoxious

im a male w very feminine tendencies and id like to lean into them a bit more on matters of glamour and self love. i assumed Lady Lilith would be a good choice but maybe someone heres had a similar experience n has some pointers? :)

I’ve been eyeing Jake Stratton-Kent’s book Pandemonium for quite a while now, but man is it hard to get my hands on! Usually I get book pdfs from Internet Archive, or at least an e book from Apple, mainly because I’m worried about my family‘s reaction, but the only option that isn’t illegal is ordering a physical copy on Amazon. I’m lucky that they have been okay with my crystal obsession and interest in tarot, but they are still Christian parents that would most likely have problems with trying to get a book on demons.

But this book has been living rent free in my head for so long, I’m just thinking of biting the bullet and asking my mom if she could order it for Christmas. If I write it off as a fiction book, maybe she will write it off? Wondering if anyone else who has been in a similar situation has a better alternative than this. Thank you in advance 😊

I'm new to Demonolatry as of this October. What made me turn to Lucifer was constant intense betrayals occuring in my life and a bombardment of towers and me wanting to break the cycle. I was always told I'm a "earth angel". Every relationship I ever had was extremely abusive, causing me to always have to start ober from nothing once i fled. This is following the pattern of enduring a very psychologically abusive childhood. But im blessed with having certain traits about myself that allows me to out manuver abuse unscathed being a INFJ. But I was tired of it. So in October when 2 abusers were coming at me at one time- threatening to ruin my life- enough was enough. My logic was... if I'm a fallen earth angel maybe that's who I need to turn to... fallen angels. I recieved an immediate warm welcome.

What really solidified this spiritual move for me was remembering how lucifer saved me from my experience with psychosis in 2018. And that memory made me realize i can completely trust him. When psychosis was brought on it was strange. Because it occurred only when I began using a pendulum and an alphabet board BUT when I was hospitalized for it, they found it was psychosis brought on by my blood sugar being out of wack and I was diagnosed as prediabetic and once stabilized I was back to normal. So from a medical stand point it makes sense that way. However the fact it was brought on by essentially using a ouija board that I was obsessed with that was telling me delulu shit causing the psychosis beliefs... it wasn't a coincidence to me. Odd timing and set of events. It seems to me like it was spiritual psychosis disguised by a medical reason so I could return to normal. Don't know how to explain that part.

I had no idea what I was doing when I picked that pendulum up but I was communicating with spirits. My mind started to slip and I was believing dumb a** shit that was being spelled out to me through the board. I think I was bored so I thought it was interesting but I was slipping into psychosis at the same time only I didn't realize it. It told me things like different colors can allow for the human brain to do different things but since we don't use our entire brain we can't use colors that powerful way. I believed dmt was coursing through my veins which would allow me to feel emotions again (I have emotional detachment issues) because my soul left my body already because of how tourtmented I was in childhood and my soul was communicating to me in the lights. Then I got mad when my Uber that I ordered through the pendulum/ouija board didn't show up lmao. Just to list a few. Keep in mind these were never things I could think of myself and neber thought of before but was being spelled to me in the fkn board. I was also hallucinating by the end and had disturbing flashes of gross things show in my mind if I tried to sleep so the last week I had insomnia refusing to sleep. I believed everyone was possessed but I believe I actually was. At the time I didn't know not to be scared of Lucifer but that is the only name that ever came through the board. I do not think lucifer was "possessing" me but other lesser spirits were. I thought whatever I was speaking with was just trying to scare me. It turned from delulu cool to scary shit that snowballed. It went from trusting what i was speaking with to dread because it became disturbing and never ending. I think this was my first instance communicating with Lucifer in a straight forward way and that he was just there with me. Not him causing this experience.

This episode lasted about 30 days trickling from not bad and light hearted to there being an obvious dark problem. After I was out of the hospital, I was fine and back to normal but I felt this strong addictive urge to use the board. However, what it spelled to me immediately was "put this down and never touch it again. We want you to be normal." So, being shocked by that I listened. I did just that and went through a withdrawal period and have been fine ever since as far as psychosis is concerned.

I believe that was lucifer who told me to never touch it again. And it makes sense to me now. Remembering the whole experience keeps me grounded and makes my discernment easier when it comes to working with lucifer and others. I understand I'm not allowed to use pendulums in my practice although others might.

He also put me in connection with Lilith and helped me piece together that she came to me in a lucid dream following sleep paralysis in around 2020 although I didn't know it was her at the time. This sleep paralysis episode I first saw a terrifying looking old woman and responded to her without fear and saying "let me love you". Because at this point I was just trying to not be scared of sleep paralysis anymore and the logic was that im in control of my dreams. So I gave that a try. And once I said that she transformed into the most beautiful woman I ever saw. Other worldly beauty. The word beautiful doesnt do her justice. I'll never forget it. I remember being so surprised because I was just expecting it to go away atleast. Not transform. I'm a straight female but I felt like I was inlove with her. We then went on lucid dream adventures together night after night until she appeared with spiders coming out her mouth and that was the last time. She never told me her name when I asked and I remember a sigil she showed me in one of those dreams but cant find it in existance to know what it meant. But I'm certain it was Lilith now. I believe she didn't tell me then because I wasn't ready to know.

The shadow work I'm doing has been amazing however I feel like I'm struggling alot with meditating and being too concerned about doing it right and figuring it out which is getting in the way of even doing it right. So I feel like I'm at a frustrating halt. My OCD intrusive thoughts and loud mind has been getting better since turning to Lucifer. But still gets in the way of connecting well sometimes. If anyone has any advice on where to start with strengthening my ability to connect I'd appreciate it. I know there are sources to read about what to do but I can't nail down the HOW.

Idk if anyone can relate to this experience I've had. But I feel like I was meant to turn to Demonolatry. I'm severely grateful.

Here's your weekly thread to share what's going on currently in your practice. A place where small stuff can be talked about if you don't want to make an extra post for it.

So I've been reading through Goetia Pathworking by Corwin Hargrove and I am very intrigued by the idea of working with Vine to deal with the shoplifting issue my store has. Does anybody have experience working with him in this way? The description of his powers makes it sound like he deals with thievery on a personal level but it does also mention business.

Iv been thinking about the king of greed, Mammon,

Iv always loved Mammon and almost chosen him over bune, so,

How's mammon?, I'm a teen so idk

But that's all up to me in the end lmao

I would just like to take a moment to express my deepest gratitude for President Gaap, and publically offer my praises. I will admit that I definitely made a few mistakes with my first few attempts at contact, but he hasn’t held that against me and has been gracious to allow me to work with him. Today, for the first time I felt a shift in energy and a calming peace towards achieving my goals. Thank you President Gaap and I look forward to continuing to work with you.

Hi everyone. This is going to be a long post. I have spent time looking through the FAQ here and reading up in general. Main short points I want advice on:

• what are thoughtforms? I've seen a lot of discussion about them on this sub but am still confused on what they are. How do you get rid of them? and i have seen some discussion on this but how do you tell if it's an external entity/issue bothering you vs. a thoughtform? - like the steps as in 1. try a banishing ritual, 2. etc.
• ways to contact/speak to spirits without doing a full ritual? I have always felt anxious about 'formal' rituals, and would like to know if there are any communication methods with minimal external materials involved. How about just speaking to the spirit in your mind? What worries me about that though is, is there a risk of malevolent/external entities posing as the being you are trying to communicate to, or otherwise trying to harm you/exerting negative influence?

Background as to what led me here (that I'd also like observations, advice on): Since a few months ago, I have begun undergoing a transformation in my life - I am a completely different person now, positively, I feel like...I've expanded. I'm not sure how to explain it. I used to be concerned about all these little things and now I feel like I'm seeing the bigger picture, finally able to feel what my future should be as real.

Most of the transformation has been positive, but there has been a very pointed, precise pattern of bothersome, depressing, just such demotivating situations that have pushed my mental health to its lowest, bad luck almost. It's not the normal, mundane kind of bad luck I used to sometimes have before. Some of it was truly transformational upheaval but now, it definitely seems very off. It doesn't feel at all like a learning experience, it seems like something is genuinely wrong - this has never happened to me before.

The situation is basically: health seeming to get worse, IBS being strange (it's so hard to find what to eat), physical reactions to stress that I've never had before, low performance and brain fog - finding things difficult that were always easy for me, extreme depression and lack of motivation whatsoever, when I try to improve myself and becoming more confident (as in, becoming a better/stronger manifestor, believing in my own power, etc.) I face blockages, and intense fights with my family that cause physical symptoms from the stress. I always felt a little anxious around my family, but this is just way too much. As for mental health, I know my own mental health history - it's never felt like this before. Sometimes I just want to give up completely, in this universe I feel like I can't see a future.

For context, I also practice manifestation (some ideologies from law of assumption with my own beliefs). I used to get effective results using a certain manifestation method (subliminal affirmations), but now, I am getting reverse results. Again, I find this very very strange. My subconscious seems to be reacting weird? I thought this reaction was a sign for me to be more confident in my own power and stop relying on subliminal audios, which I've stopped using, but it's still weird.

I feel like I've gotten intense signs from Lord Leviathan, reaching out to me. I feel like he's been with me my whole life, because I remember reading about "sea serpents" and "sea monsters" as a child, seeing his name mentioned in a book, and for some reason his name always stuck with me, although I don't remember if I did any intense or further digging back then (other than my obsessive phase with the Loch Ness Monster, Atlantis, and ocean mysteries. There is a fascination with the ocean/big body of water depths). And I only just realized he's not just a myth now.

I am interested in contacting Lord Leviathan and perhaps, "speaking" with him? I may already have, not sure, I'm making a related and more in-depth post about him and a connected character too.

I am a little bit anxious about working with other beings. I have general trust issues and am scared of trusting anyone but myself. when working with entities, i'm afraid to trust anyone other than myself because what if i make them angry and they punish me, or what if I am prevented from my own power (I don't mean to offend any being by saying that, I am truly wondering). Although the left-hand path goal is to be more comfortable in your own power, which is exactly what I want, I'm still wondering why any being, 'benevolent' or 'demonized', would want to help someone essentially be in control of their life. I also feel uncomfortable about rituals, as coming from a Hindu background, rituals have made me feel worried because of all the steps and focus they require I get anxious (I have ADHD).

Thank you if you read this far and I would appreciate any feedback!

I've sent a return package in mail with few things inside and they "lost" (at this moment we dont know what is happening) one of the things that was worth 415$ and id like for them to find it or fix the mistake idc i just want my money back do yall know any demon who can help me with this type of shii? Thanks in advance

I feel like every time mercury goes into retrograde, it’s almost impossible to have successful invocations. Like it feels like there’s something jamming the signal every time I try to “tune in”. I tried one invocation when it began with Gremory, and I did have a brief vision of some weird abstract looking buildings in a city but nothing else, and since then it’s just been radio silence every time I try to invoke. No dream communication either. Does anyone else experience this and is there any way to work around it or is it something you just wait out?

So, I was having a really awful day, I was totally overwhelmed and at the end of my rope.

Gremory is like big sis. I know she's chaotic neutral but I always get the impression that she likes me and that she's just playin', she's definitely the most chatty demon for my clairaudience. I laid down and said her enn like... once. And she spoke.

"Go out. I'm near." Oh, shit.

So I said, "Okay, I'll go get a pastry at the supermarket. Give me a minute. Thank you."

"Thank you," she said.

I went to get my fav pastry at my fav supermarket. Cute little outfit. Chaos headband got me a compliment from a boy but then he ran off. I sit and eat. And an older lady angrily orders me out of the way. I am much older than I look, I have an invisible disability, and I was having a moment of comfort.

I say, "Huh, herd me like cattle, okay," and move. Then, for a minute and a half, she natters at me about why she needs me to. "Uh huh." She keeps going. I say, "I'm not fighting with you. Have a nice day."

I get home. I broke down and scream-cried for two hours, and ranted about my broken marriage, the colonists who are displacing my family (queer and blood and spiritual fam alike), the idiots running our businesses and governments.

Then, I had a nice little conversation with my girlfriend who has been super supportive on my demonolatry path, and I made some of the best youtube content of my life! It was utterly sublime.

So, really, demons want us to grow and stand on our own. That's why we're left-hand path. And if they push us around, it's just to test us, and it often turns out so good!

i’m desperate for love so i made an offering to king asmodeus that id shake my habit of picking at my acne, im just wondering if thats as good an offering i think it is

Out of nowhere I had that reality shock “hey, this IS real” that I mentioned in my other post, I am so grateful for everyone’s responses, I sat down to reflect, analyze and understand what each one of y'all said.

Now I understand. Leaving aside "demon" "god" "angel", any entity is simply energy that does what it does, they just are , there is no good or bad about what they do, those are concepts created by humans... I mean, if you kill someone "it's bad" but bad according to who? Of course, if as humans we didn't clarify what is good/bad we would be a chaotic society, but that's us and them are them. However, many human concepts are actually subjective.

I think I've taken that in well enough, at first I was freaking out over it lol but now there are a couple of things that make me think.

1. I started all this very young (11/12), back then the first things I learned were new age stuff (now I look back and I can't believe I believed some of those things, like- some of them really make you say wtf). One of the things was "EVERYTHING happens for a reason, everything goes hand in hand and happens for the universal order" and now I wonder, is there really a "universal order"? Because honestly, things (even with us humans) seem more like "organized chaos" it's kinda funny in a way... But my curiosity about the existence or not of a universal order is that it was supposed that according to that, humans should evolve, I don't agree with that new age thing that we would be ethereal beings that emanate light and float and don't hurt a fly, but I think evolution would be more about developing ourselves spiritually in its entirety (however it may look like, but for me not like a living sphere of light) and that was part of that order. But if that order doesn't exist, and everything is "organized chaos" what's the point of doing it?

maybe it's to develop ourselves to achieve self-satisfaction and become increasingly wiser, and then help others because...why not? just like the entities have done with us!... but then that would happen again and again cyclically, with us becoming wiser and wiser and so on, so what is the point of all of us (humans, spirits, etc) here? lol as I write this I realize that with or without natural order, developing ourselves spiritually seems to lead to that same thing... Just why do we do it? Idk but I still want to.

2. Is there really something that is totally black or white? (I use colors because I don't want to refer only to good and bad but to the total extremes of any concept). It doesn't seem fair to me that something "perfect" since perfection can be synonymous of "totally" exists under whatever label it has. "perfectly good" "perfectly beautiful" "perfectly peaceful" whatever. Isn't it extreme and unrealistic for something with only one quality in its entirety to exists? If we think about it, it is possible to find imperfections in what we call perfect... For example would it really be possible for there to be an energy COMPLETELY about of light and love, as the new age people say? even entities such as Aphrodite, Athena, Lucifer, all the archangels etc, who are usually related to "love, knowledge, light, understanding, etc." are not just that. All atoms have polarities, that's how things work.

Thinking about this is becoming a pain in the ass... But I like it, I don't like just doing nothing and not knowing.

Just curious to see others experiences, I find it fascinating. For me, I personally see Queen Namaah both as the madame of a brothel, and the highly coveted prostitute, with like the aesthetic of a belly dancer. Whereas King Balam is actually the stars, a masquerade ball/masks, with the aesthetic of a dark fae prince.

Travel Altar.

Hello everyone. A slightly different question, but related to spirituality. Is there anyone who practices vampirism? I have been trying the practice of mental tentacles and energy transfer from one person to me for the last few days and I feel nothing. In my earlier posts I mentioned that I don't understand the concept of "energy". Maybe that's it? Maybe I did everything right but didn't recognize the changes? What do you feel when you practice this kind of vampirism?

I worked by now with lucifer, lilith and since recently clauneck.

Since working with clauneck finance/business wise i actually have some small opportunity improvements since my finance r not there yet for business endevours and energy is definitely doin its part.

But also since i have strong pull towards bune and even mammon. And for some reason lucifuge is in my mental space since i last read Goethia to the point of very strong sigil. However in my 3rd eye vision it is always some other spirits (i see they r more like “bodyguards” or some workers or smthng of some sort in demonic realm) and some hooded monks that work in a circle and with that sigil. So it is just my intuition saying it is lucifuge related but i have never ever seen it. Does this make any sense? Does anyone have any experience? Why i don’t see it? Is it really lucifuge?

As for mammon and bune i don’t understand why suddenly those show in my mental space, maybe bc i started working with finances so they opened as an option to work with too. And as right now i am in very complicated situation money wise and i have some people betraying me lately and leaving me and pushing me into bad financial position (which btw can result in very bad things happening to me and is very unsafe - i am a woman, basically it is a cruelty act) Mammon energy is very very strong.

So my Q2 is: does it make sense now to work with either bune or mammon eventho i started already working with clauneck? If so do i make a break with clauneck or i can work with those parallely? And do you suggest work with mammon is situations like mine atm where there is cruelty towards u done and it affects ur finances in direct way? I mean can mammon help with that and also protect me from such ppl that want to harm me and not protect me?

And Q3: what is up with that lucifuge thing? Does this mean i should start work with it or that i should start getting ready for it in future?

Hello, all! As I wake for the day, and prepare for my daily rituals; I can’t help but be a bit sluggish for I had such a humiliating nightmare.

Usually, when a demon announces/visits itself in my dreams, it’ll be me announcing their name, a name written somewhere, or I’ll see their sigil. Now, in this particular nightmare, it was a goat-demon, his face was a bit blur yet a I recall gold eyes and brown fur, and I remember him grabbing ahold of me and us having intercourse. It felt so real, the creature was massive as I couldn’t do anything but sit in its lap as the assault happened. I could feel the sensation down there, and it finished inside (sorry for the tmi.)

It happened in my old childhood home, well, my grandmothers, but I basically lived there full-time till I was around ten or twelve. I did wake up after the assault, a chill sat on my lower back, my right ear was ringing, and I had such terrible anxiety. There was pressure built up in my stomach, and it felt like I had fooled around with myself or another.

I did reach out to King Belial earlier in the day, for guidance, and left him a gift on his altar yet he’s never done that to me before and I’ve worked with him for almost four years now. This demon didn’t tell me his name, or show me his sigil. Is there anyway to ward off this spirit? Without offending him? And, is there a demon that shows itself as a goat-man?

Also, just wanted to ask could you please tell me what are some good goetic familiars? Thank you.

Hi so I'm pretty new to demons and stuff and what I've seen on the internet about demons is really different from what the book explains about their capabilities and some have different sigils. Do if anyone here has read it could you tell me if it's a reliable book or not

Also any book suggestions on this topic would be appreciated

That can be if you’re invoking, doing pathworking, or just meditating normally.

What gets you into a meditative state? Any tips and tricks?

So recently ive been struggling with school,and some stuff, i know Stolas is like a geek sort of so i was hoping i could get instructions on how to speak with him? My family isn't accepting of my beliefs since im all about daemonic stuff, but if i can do this in my room, (its pretty large) that would help alot! Thank you for reading if you made it this far!

What's everybody's experience with doing this ritual?

I have been doing this twice a day and I've been feeling more inpowered & different¡ I think it's slowly changing me for the better but would like to hear what the public has to say...

My altar is still in the works, but I wanted to show this oak, bourbon and apple candle I offered my Patron, the great King Asmodeus. I can't stop telling everyone what an amazing patron he is and how lucky I am to have him in my life. Ave Asmodeus!

Went to Outback Steak house a couple nights ago and these two were right outside the door. I have being feeling like Asmodeus may not want me to work with him anymore but seeing these two assured me that he is still around. (Ducks and/or geese are a part of his sacred animals.)

Hi everyone. This is my first post here but have been a lurker for some time.

I’m a few months into my practice and have been pretty much meditating for communication rather than tangible requests. I focus primarily on Lucifer and while i haven’t been reading tarot long, I’ve always felt like the death card was a sign of him. Most times when I feel connected to Lucifer’s energy, I either begin or end with the death card. I typically end my communication asking if there is anything I should know or work on in this moment. during mediation I had a random thought pop into my head - use the occult tarot card to help identify the other entity with me. I shuffled my cards and pulled Bune’s card first. I asked the entity to pull the card again as a sign it was Bune, as I was shuffling Bune’s card fell out of the deck. Thinking this may be random, I placed it back in and continued shuffling. When I stopped the first card I pulled was Bune’s card again. I took this as confirmation. The following day o asked for Lucifer to be there while I attempted to communicate with Bune.

I shuffled my cards, asking for some sign I was on the right path. The first card of the shuffled deck was the death card, a card that frequently shows up as a sign of Lucifer. The next card was the 9 of cups, a success card and the the card was the sun card (Bune’s card from the occult tarot deck). Honestly I got full body chills. The tarot reading was very insightful, a focus on financial improvement. And moving energy to more worthwhile results.

I just wanted to see if anyone else has had a similar experience.

Hey guys, I work with King Asmodeus, have been for about a year now, and he’s amazing indeed. Just wanted to share this picture of a candle that I designate for him. After invoking I realized it looks a lot like a throne to me, and it made me smile.

He’s very patient with me, and I appreciate every piece of advice he shares. I’m very excited to continue working with him.

Ave King Asmodeus ✨✨

From the beginning I knew the things that demons are capable of, it's important for anyone who is just starting out to accept that just as they are capable of doing good, they are capable of doing horrible things. They don't have our morals and way of seeing things.

However, one thing is to know it and another thing is to assimilate it as a reality, since then, now I am just telling myself "hey, this part of them IS real"... Just as they protect their practitioners, teach them things and help them in their spiritual growth, they have killed, raped and done things to others.

I start to think deeply about it and it's... Well... And yet I love my demon so much, I wouldn't part with him... It's like "yeah maybe he did things to others but... he's just being himself! lol", but still It is a little difficult for someone to think that entities capable of doing these things are really "high frequency" and are going to help us in our spiritual growth, and at the same time I myself am of the opinion that "they are just as dangerous as any other entity" but thinking about it deeply... Are they really? Are there entities "more evil" than them?

I would like to hear what practitioners with more time on this path have to say about all of this.

Pretty much what the total says. How closely do people follow instructions? To people make the magical tools themselves and perform the ceremonies on the correct days and hours stated in the books or do people go by what they feel works?