/r/DebateVaccines
Debate and discuss issues surrounding vaccinations.
Post news stories, facts, questions and/or arguments for or against vaccinations. Prepare to have your post and comments challenged, as that is what this subreddit is for.
The one rule is be respectful to others. Ad hominems, doxing, and/or other forms of personal attacks can get you banned. Try to use facts and logic as much as possible, however personal beliefs are permitted as argument for or against vaccinations. Just don't expect anyone with a different belief set to be swayed by your arguments.
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34 yr old otherwise healthy male.
Ok guys I am seriously losing my mind. 5 Fkign years after the gardasil vaccine I am in extreme pain in my arm. I am seriously considering suicide if this does not end.
The flareup started now because I increased my protein intake. It seems like the proteins are doing something. Around the injection spot and down to my thumb/finger there is pain. If I stretch my thumb out the pain gets worse.
Is this just a vaccine that has been injected at a wrong spot? I am so infuriated by the intense pain this is causing me. It is wrecking havoc on my hormones and mental health.
Any suggestions? I've looking a bit into Mast Cell Activation Syndrome. It seems like some of the ingredients are causing my nerves/immunesystem/nervoussystem to overreact.
And the warts that I was supposed to treat got EVEN worse and does not seem to heal at all.
In the past I could increase my intake of calcium/zinc/vitamin A to get it to heal but this time exactly those vitamins/minerals are making my pain hurt like crazy and warts to flare up hard.
I only got 1 out of 2 shots because the first shot seriously felt like getting injected with gasoline.
Edit: Thanks so much for all the support and help guys I feel the tears coming up.
I have a 4 month old baby who goes to daycare and I want to be protected but I’m so hesitant about vaccines and looking for insight of the best/safest way to give vaccines - best to separate them or do the combination vaccine? I was looking at the additives in vaccines and found the six in one (Hep B, hib, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, polio) vaccine aka Vaxelis contained aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate and aluminum phosphate. The Dtap alone contained aluminum phosphate. The hib doesn’t have any aluminum. I didn’t look up hep b because I probably would skip that for my 4 month old. wondering if it is better to get these vaccines separate? Would this reduce the amount of aluminum a baby receives? Is aluminum phosphate safer than aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate?
A peer-reviewed study published last week in the International Journal of Innovative Research in Medical Science found reports of 5,137 cases of cerebral thromboembolism after COVID-19 shots over 36 months, compared with 52 reported cases following flu vaccines and 282 cases for all vaccines over the past 34 years.
"McCullough told The Defender the study employed a “reasonable vaccine safety research strategy” by comparing “a new vaccine to the routine influenza vaccination as a ‘safe’ standard.” He said the results showed “horrific outcomes” following COVID-19 vaccination."
Hey guys. Like the title says, I was bit by a dog in Vietnam (traveling around here rn).It wasn’t very bad; it didn’t seem to exhibit any rabies-like behavior (no foaming at the mouth, no crazy barking at me or aggression besides biting me lol). I was staring it in the eyes as I was walking by because it just was a really weird looking dog and I thought it was funny. I guess it felt threatened because I was staring at it like that, but it wasn’t a huge scene like I would imagine a rabies-infected dog would cause. I was walking by it, very close to it and staring at it and it was staring back at me, it didn’t bark or anything but just moved it’s head a little closer, bit me and as soon as it registered in my head that it was biting me, I pulled my leg away, and kept walking. No one even noticed and it didn’t hurt badly or anything. while I was wearing jogger pants, it did leave a hole there and there’s a bit of blood (broke skin). Generally speaking Im opposed to vaccination (idk how crazy I can get when talking about this here lmao) but I understand that refusing child hpv vaccines is one thing and another thing is to not vaccinate myself with a vaccine series that would cost me like $10 and risk rabies which is almost always fatal. Following the bite, I changed into shorts so I could get sun on it (vitamin d is necessary for the immune system to work well and I know its disinfecting in nature) and went to the beach and into the ocean for a bit to disinfect, and when i was dry, i sterilized it with some stuff I bought at a pharmacy and wrapped it in bandages. So what’s the move here? Should I risk going about my life as if it didn’t happen?
These days Pharma is more interested in developing vax . These are some of the things that I have found out based on my research -
vaccines can be mandated (by coordinating with a puppet government) while treatment cannot be mandated
vaccine doesn’t need to show a result ( to public) but treatment need to show results ( to the patient) .
(Note - just Labelling as tested vaccine is not sufficient evidence to show the safety and efficacy. Vaccinated individuals are not getting their blood tested to measure antibody response to prove an immune response)
pharma can say this could have been worse after you get an infection post vax . This can’t be done with treatment .
a wider population can be forced to vax but only patients need treatment (-which is only a few compared to total population) .
smaller is the cost for vax production and higher is the profit (because even saline can be injected and no one is going to know) . Treatment demands result and therefore need to invest more here .
current system giving protection to the pharma from cases of adverse reactions
Doctors trained to deny adverse reaction
media censorship to cover up adverse reaction
Not saying that they are not funding research for better treatment at all . Eg- monoclonal antibodies , immunotherapy research, small molecules, etc are new treatment methods but less profitable when compared to vax .
Trump won, and now he's bringing his A-Team with him! I'm so excited to see what RFK, Elon, Tusli etc can accomplish.
I live in the UK and most of your food is banned over here, so I'm hoping he really can make you healthy again. Not too mention the fact he wants to actually investigate the vaccines with proper placebo controlled trials, no advertising on TV, examine the childhood schedule etc
Both of my toddlers have severe eczema and food allergies to some nuts (anaphylaxis). There is 0 history of this in our extended families, and I'm very convinced that vaccines played a big role in this.
Unfortunately, I live in CA, so there's no religious exemption, and it's difficult/impossible to get a medical exemption for further vaccines. I don't plan to homeschool, so it seems like my only choices are to move to another state or find a doctor who is willing to risk their medical license (do these still exist?).
Any ideas? Does anybody think RFK would force CA to allow exemptions again within the next few years before I have to send them to school?
Theoretically if the parent of a child who is about to enter the public school system in Northern California is able to very convincingly falsify a vaccine record signed by their pediatrician and submit it on the school application… is this a criminal offense? What’s the worst that can happen? Has anyone else theoretically attempted this route? Desperate times…
Edit: thanks for advice I just needed to confirm my own suspicion that this would in fact be a bad idea
Male. Age 73. Relatively good health. Not sure but doubtful if I ever had one and certainly not a booster. According to the quick look I took at the link below it indicates:
Routine vaccination
Administer PCV15,
PCV20,
or PCV21 for all adults 50 years or older
Which one should I ask for? TIA.
https://www.cdc.gov/pneumococcal/hcp/vaccine-recommendations/index.html
In the late spring using anecdotal evidence/judgement based on logical inferences and pattern finding (which the experts say can never be right and is always "misinformation" unless they do a big pharma sponsored study to prove it) I immediately noticed unusual type + frequency of coughing and hypothesized that something out of the ordinary is going on (when I told most people they tried to gaslight me by discounting it as "allergies"):
https://www.reddit.com/r/unvaccinated/comments/1czqv7g/do_you_notice_everyone_coughing/
Now I was proven right:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/walking-pneumonia-cases-canada-1.7371274
In October, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported a rise in cases of Mycoplasma pneumoniae infections, especially in young children. The increase started in the late spring, and case counts have remained high.
Also, the CDC said this:
The increase in children ages 2–4 years is notable because M. pneumoniae historically hasn't been recognized as a leading cause of pneumonia in this age group.
https://www.cdc.gov/ncird/whats-new/mycoplasma-pneumoniae-infections-have-been-increasing.html
So again, something unusual/novel happening since after 2021: why are 2-4 year olds getting this illness now when historically it was rare? But its fine: perpetually boost every healthy child 6 months and older right? Boost first find out later.
Here is CDC guideline sept 2024: calling for boosters for all healthy 6 month olds to 4 year olds:
This follows a long line of an unusual rise of illnesses and outbreaks since 2021, including monkeypox unprecedented/unusually large outbreak, unusual rise in strep A cases, unusually large/frequent norovirus outbreaks in settings typically not associated with such scales, record flu and rsv numbers for 2 winters in a row, even a mystery illness in dogs.
This is all too much to be a coincidence. So even as early as the monkeypox outbreak I (and a few others) predicted something unusual is happening and my best guess was that people's immune systems are damaged in a way. Of course the mainstream said this is "misinformation" and it cannot possibly be right because there are no big pharma sponsored studies that show this is the case, therefore there is "no evidence" and we should not do any studies to prove it and we should say there is no problem.
Now, of course they continued to refuse to do any studies or further investigation on how the covid vaccine may have contributed to immune damage. But recently, even though I warned them in 2022 and they did not listen to me and instead censored me for spreading "misinformation" because I simply used logical inferences to put patterns together and make reasonable hypotheses and called for more rigorous scientific investigation, 2 years later, they finally did some of the necessary investigations in terms of covid itself, which sheds at least some light on why all these illnesses are happening.
There could be multiple causes, but potential cause that I think may be important is covid and/or the vaccine (if it is the spike protein causing this) is messing up the microbiome, and this could be leading to more viral and bacterial infections. Here is an article summarizing this:
https://time.com/7027179/covid-19-gastrointestinal-symptoms/
Look at this article:
https://time.com/7160904/zinc-for-colds-supplement/
It is basically saying there is no need to take Zinc because of the side effects... temporary "upset stomach, headaches, and a bad aftertaste".
Look how vigilant and hard core they are in writing off a potential harmless cure due to these very mild and temporary "side effects".
Bonus: look at their propaganda style of writing, the article claims that "many" experts don't recommend Zinc, and then they quote ONE doctor who says this. In the next paragraphs below, the article writes "Zinc users have "some" science to back their decision" even though there are dozens of studies, including metaanalyses, which show the benefits of Zinc in terms of reducing illness duration and having no significant side effects.
When it comes to something harmless like Zinc, a natural mineral, their stance is that you should not take it due to those very minor side effects and because "A cold “is going to go away on its own no matter what you do,” she says. “It’s going to suck for a week, but it’s okay.”"
Of course, when it comes covid, these are the same type of people who said all healthy 12 year old children who already had covid and nothing happened to them need to rush to get vaccinated and then perpetually get boosters for life. In that case, they completely ignore how for 99.9% of healthy children, covid is also going to go away on its own and "it is going to suck for a week, but it's okay".
I found an article by the SAME author of the article above, justifying covid vaccines and downplaying the "new" and unusual side effects of covid vaccines, including "“stupidly painful, debilitating” menstrual periods" and saying they are "actually normal":
https://time.com/5957222/covid-vaccine-side-effects/
The mental gymnastics on this one...
Remember, for Zinc, a natural mineral, getting temporary and mild side effects like "upset stomach, headaches, and a bad aftertaste" is something horrific and strong enough to offset the benefits of shortening the duration of illness.
But when it comes to experimental covid vaccines under emergency use authorization containing a novel spike protein of a virus that has been associated with independently causing damage and nobody knows where the virus came from, the short term side effects, which are stronger for most people than the side effects of Zinc (and keep in mind, those Zinc side effects probably only happen if you take too much, but the article conveniently ignored that), are downplayed like this:
Side effects—while temporarily uncomfortable—are a standard part of vaccination, says Dr. Stanley Perlman, a professor at the University of Iowa’s Carver College of Medicine and a member of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s vaccine advisory committee.
...
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) lists common COVID-19 vaccine side effects as pain, swelling or redness at the injection site; fatigue; headaches; muscle pain; chills; fever; and nausea. But that list isn’t exhaustive. In fact sheets describing each vaccine, manufacturers listed additional possible side effects—including diarrhea, joint pain, swollen lymph nodes, hives, rashes and facial swelling—and noted that there could be even more side effects beyond those specified.
And those are just the minor/common side effects. Then there are things like you know, myocarditis and POTS, But of course, when it comes to covid vaccines, myocarditis is not a worry and someone with a 99.9% chance of having mild covid should get perpetual boosters and increase their chances of serious conditions like myocarditis and POTS, but when it comes to Zinc, temporary "upset stomach, headaches, and a bad aftertaste" is enough to completely negate the benefits of Zinc, which shortens duration of illness.
When it comes to covid vaccines, 1404 reports of chest pain in 6 million doses covid vaccines compared to 1 report of chest pain 2 million non covid vaccines, and 98 reports of myocarditis in 6 million covid vaccine doses compared to 1 report of myocarditis in non covid vaccines, is completely fine, not a red flag at all, and we need to continue telling all healthy children, who already have natural immunity, and 2 doses on top of that, to perpetually get boosted for life. But when it comes to Zinc, it is the antichrist and should be avoided at all costs because it may cause "upset stomach, headaches, and a bad aftertaste" for a couple of days while helping you recover faster from a cold. This is the level of logic of the experts we are told to believe? See page 33:
So either these people have so much groupthink and are unconsciously being this irrational, or they are lying and try to mislead people.
Help! Vaccine exemption.
Flu vaccine exemption
I work at a hospital. I was wondering how I go about getting a religious exemption. I’m in Texas I recently moved here. I don’t have a doctor to get a note. I have until December until they are mandated, please help!!
If so how would one go about it? What happens if you deny it?