"But when one follows the path of individuation, when one lives one's own life, one must take mistakes into the bargain; life would not be complete without them. There is no guarantee—not for a single moment—that we will not fall into error or stumble into deadly peril. We may think there is a sure road. But that would be the road of death. Then nothing happens any longer—at any rate, not the right things. Anyone who takes the sure road, is as good as dead."

~ Carl Jung

My inner world lays out a path most meaningful. My guide on this path is intuition. The decisions informed by intuition, based on my inner world, have made life a meaningful adventure—though not always a safe one.

The world of the unknown is an unfamiliar home. While visiting, I feel a dense fog resting on my shoulders. Every step forward lays itself out as long as I am respectfully thinking and intuiting. Each step makes itself known, and at times, the fog lifts, and I feel I can see as far as the horizon extends around me in all its horror and beauty.

Our culture treasures the thinking, measured, and reason-based scientific rationale that defines our modern era. Yet, in pursuing this path of certainty, we've marginalized something fundamental about humanity—we are primarily driven by story, by myth, by the uncertain path that calls from within.

Jung understood this deeply. In "Memories, Dreams, Reflections," he offered this insight about questions that science cannot answer (bolding mine):

"My hypothesis is that we can do so with the aid of hints sent to us from the unconscious—in dreams, for example. Usually we dismiss these hints because we are convinced that the question is not susceptible to answer. In response to this understandable skepticism, I suggest the following consideration. If there is something we cannot know, we must necessarily abandon it as an intellectual problem. For example, I do not know for what reason the universe has come into being, and shall never know. Therefore I must drop this question as a scientific or intellectual problem. But if an idea about it is offered to me—in dreams or in mythic traditions—I ought to take note of it. I even ought to build up a conception on the basis of such hints, even though it will forever remain a hypothesis which I know cannot be proved."

I've written a deeper exploration of this journey into the unknown, examining how we might integrate both our scientific understanding and our mythological truths to live a more meaningful life.

You can read the full piece here: Inner World, Outer Truth, and the Adventure of a Lifetime

What path has your inner world laid out for you? How do you find the courage to step into the fog of uncertainty, knowing there are no guarantees except that the "sure road" leads to death?

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In a variety of belief systems, there are certain themes that may be prevalent. Certain stories that look similar. Why? There are Spiritual Laws. These laws may be similar to The Laws of Physics. Anyone who was experiencing the Spiritual, they may have been doing particular things along certain spiritual laws or lines. This may be called "The Stone Rejected by The Builders." Regardless of what rebellious people were doing, God always maintains some Intelligent Design "Gotcha Moments."

I have a warm up song for this.

Song: "Oh Well."

The stone the builders rejected

has become the cornerstone (Psalms 118:22)

What is a builder? A builder may been a laborer. A builder may have been an architect. A builder may have been a teacher of religious law shaping how men perceive themselves, and how men perceive God. In Judea, Rome around 30 AD, the Pharisees had been Tenant Farmers. (Luke 20:9-19) Humanity is like God's Vineyard. The Pharisees were Tenant Farmers, they were teachers of religious law, shaping how men perceived. Jesus Christ comes, and he looks to be fulfilling all these prophecies. Jesus is The Stone Rejected by the builders. (Acts 4:11) This is a theme that runs through the Bible.

Given you are unfamiliar with Christianity, the Bible, and these verses, you should take some time to look at them, and reflect. Instead of writing about this too much more, I will show you some things.

• Greece and Rome had builders, teachers of religious law. There were a lot of interesting things going on in Rome, around 30 AD, like Pan the Greek false god of Shepherds dying. This opened the door for the Hebrew Messiah.
• A lot of people may have been taught from Aesop's Fables. Jesus fits into The Wolf and the Lamb.
• Some people like to point out that there are flood stories in many cultures. The Stone Rejected by The Builders Becomes the Chief Cornerstone.

Saint Patrick he going into Pagan Ireland, he may have needed to understand, Man is God's Glory, made in the Image of God, and have been applying the correct Biblical perspective on this concept. As Saint Patrick went into Pagan Ireland, some pagans looked to get him to "Bite the nipple." A man may have looked to put another man in an sexually submissive role to effeminate him, and assert authority. To do this, a boat captain was said to have demanded Saint Patrick bite his nipple. Instead, Saint Patrick talked to the man about The Lord Jesus Christ, and how men are God's Glory, made in God's image, and we do unto others. There was mutual respect. Someone like Saint Patrick, he may have understood, that there were spiritual laws, and The Stone Rejected.

Hernan Cortez, he goes into Azteca, and looks to be fulfilling prophecies. As a servant of God, bringing God's Judgement on a wicked people who practiced human sacrifice, and other abominations, similar to the people of Canaan, Hernan Cortez may have been The Stone Rejected.

This is a deep topic. I may be able to key someone onto a lot of interesting things from Ancient Rome to China to India to The New World. Someone should be respectful and approach the topic with humility.

Do it.

What's stopping you?

Have you? How is that going?

There are four lecture series of MoM: 1996, 2015, 2016, 2017. Can people who have watched or attempted to watch more than one compare the two (or 3 or 4)?

r/mapsofmeaningweekly is going to attempt a weekly discussion soon if anyone wants to join.

To be transparent: I'm not an academic. I just want to understand Peterson's thought (and influences) more thoroughly and MoM is the densest single work I know that can do this.

So if you're intimidated by the discussion aspect or just the text, please know this is meant to be at a very relaxed pace and inclusive for all levels of interest and intellectual and academic background.

There are a lot of interesting concepts from the Bible, that have shaped Western Culture and thought, that have been very little understood, or have been "Occulted," or hidden away. In 1960, for example, a lot of people may have understood "Bad Company Corrupts Good Character." This was a proverb. It is verbatim in the Bible in 1 Corinthians 15:33. Mothers may have been warning their children to keep away from bad company and drunkenness and lewd behavior. Into the 1970's, there was an explosion of Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll......bad company. In that explosion of Sex, Drugs of Rock and Roll, we have the band Bad Company singing the song "Bad Company." In 2024, when people think of Bad Company, what comes to mind? The Proverb or the Band or Song? Did bad things become good, like something being "Wickedly Awesome?" That may be a sign of something like a sign of the times. (Matthew 16:3) A lot concepts, with objective meanings, they have become confused in people's minds. Turned upside down.

WARNO: (Have you ever used Rosetta Stone to learn a language? For some of you, I may as well be talking in Chinese. You should take your time, look at the verses I cite, and reflect some on the concepts and ideas being presented. There is a learning curve, and The World has set many up for failure.)

Woe to those who call evil good

and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter. (Isaiah 5:20)

There have been very objective concepts from the Bible, with particular meanings, that people have lost concept of. War Famine and Plague would be one such concept. A lot of people associate War, Famine, and Plague with The Book of Revelations. War, Famine, and Plague are also in the Old Testament associated with God bringing his Judgement on Israel and Judah, also on wicked nations. (Ezekiel 5:17) Nothing new happens under the sun. (Ecclesiastes 1:9-11)

What is the context of War Famine and Plague? God is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Nations were judged on an objective standard of righteousness and wickedness. Were the Romans a Righteous in Roman Virtue? They thought so. God may have thought so to by blessing them. In the movie "300," the Spartans may have been a form of Righteousness. Being righteous takes discipline and self-control. Being righteousness may be hard. In Assyria, the people of Nineveh, they were doing some objectively wicked things, and God sent his prophet Jonah to warn them.

What is objective wickedness?

^(49) “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. ^(50) They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. ^(51) Samaria did not commit half the sins you did. You have done more detestable things than they, and have made your sisters seem righteous by all these things you have done. (Ezekiel 16:49-51)

God is love. (1 John 4:8) Given someone was in a lot of sexual immorality, they may have been a Self-Centered Seeker of Pleasure, only caring about himself, arrogant, overfed, and unconcerned. An egotist with a Heart of Stone, like a "Heart of Stone," The Witcher III expansion. A Heart of Stone like the song "Heart of Stone" by the Rolling Stones. What lead to wicked behavior? A heart of stone which is opposite of a Circumcision of the heart.

Being righteousness is hard. Have some people worked to make everyone equal....as in equally wicked?

When society becomes top heavy with wicked people, who are arrogant, overfed, and unconcerned, who do haughty and destestable things God hates, he may unleash his Judgement on Society. War, Famine, and Plague removed an institutionalization of corruption.

Prior to this did you understand what Bad Company was, or did you think of the band or the song? Prior to this, did you understand a lot of concepts related here? You may have been in a matrix of lies, blind and deaf, hear no evil, see no evil. In that type of environment, someone like Harvey Wienstein or Sean Combs may have been weaving webs like a spider, and doing evil. They were just the ones that were outed. A lot of people have been in Peaceful Easy Feelings, complacent in a dying society. Covid was a wake up call from Post-Cold War Complacency. Be angry and sin not.

What is justice? I find that a good place towards understanding justice is with the story of Moses.

In the Bible, God, through Moses, he leads Israel out of Egypt. This is the Book of Exodus. God leads Israel out of Egypt. In Egypt, the people of Israel they had structure. There were institutions there. The people of Israel were slaves. They had institution and laws and overseers. Given the Nile were to flood, Ancient Egyptian FEMA may have shown up. Israel was shepherded outside of Egypt, and outside of Egypt, the people of Israel didn't have much structure. They were families and tribes, looking to God through Moses for leadership. With Israel outside of Egypt, we may be close to a state of Potential Chaos. There was no government.

What are some of the first things that happened as Israel left Egypt?

• Judges were appointed. (Exodus 18)
• Law was given. (Exodus 20)

We may be able to conclude that Justice is a fundamental need of mankind.

What was Justice? Justice was Settling of Disputes. Two men, they may have had a dispute over a goat. One man owned the male goat, and the other man owned the female. They allowed the goats to breed. Who gets the kid? They could be Hatfield's and McCoy's over the dispute. There could have been a Lord of the Flies moment in Israel where families and tribes warred with each other, even between each other. Instead, they took their disputes to someone they felt was honorable, whose judgement they valued. Both parties may have given their arguments. The judge makes a decision. The dispute is settled. It is over.

Justice is the Settling of Disputes. Someone could use this understanding towards seeing a lot of interesting things that are going on in society in 2024. How are people defining justice and why? Are disputes being settled or are they being created and salt being thrown into old wounds to divide people?

I just had a guy start working for me his uncle died and I just scooped him out of bar where he was crying about Iraq and what he did over there. I do t know how to help him

It seems like more and more people in the world would prefer to live in a state where they know they are being lied to or they are actively lying to themselves instead of just being direct and honest. It is usually observed as a false equivocation or an outright dodge of genuine questions from others.

For example, when people say "God is metaphorically true" as a defense against direct questions about a supernatural deity that is the creator and sustainer of the universe, they are incredibly dishonest.

Another example is when they say "everyone worships something", or "we all have faith in something". This is a false equivocation fallacy designed to shift the meaning of the words worship or faith into what people value or belief based on good reasons, respectively.

Anyone who uses these arguments should be outright mocked. Some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen, yet it's so popular I even see Peterson using it now.

For anyone that's interested, I'd like to schedule weekly discussions in r/MapsofMeaningWeekly. I'm always busy so I might not have time to organize anything in detail, but I'd be happy to join a weekly thread of people trying to work through the ideas in and surrounding the Jordan Peterson's first book Maps of Meaning.

I think working through the book section by section, even at just a few pages a week, might be the best route because the book is very dense and seems to be organized pretty logically. But I'm open to other opinions.

If anyone wants to take the lead, let me know, and I will make you a moderator.

Idk an avg person's freq of masturbation but I (22M) masturbate almost every day or at least five times a week. Because I have my own room and a floor to myself, I couldn't control myself when I had nothing to do, even though I didn't enjoy it and felt regretful. Out of the blue, I decided to stop it completely. Surprisingly, I was able to control myself for six days(mon-sat) straight, and I noticed significant changes in myself.

I became more active and energetic at the gym, my acne cleared up, and I felt happier and more outgoing. I also found my work less boring and stopped expecting too much from others. In short, I was simply happy and grateful for life.

However, on Sunday, I relapsed, and the next day I felt tired and drowsy at the gym and sleepy all day. So as of today sept 30, I will do my best to control it and get my life back on track.

now as of today 30 sept I will control it through all my desires and bring my life on a proper track.

What is beautiful? What is worth fighting for? In the media, various groups have been promoting Marxist Aesthetics. It could be in movies or video games or whatever. When someone is promoting "Ugly" over beautiful, there may have been a reason to it. Karl Marx identified that beauty was something that united people. Marx wished to promote disunity towards revolution, and promoted ugly in art. In the media, when you see various Feminists promoting ugly....and many people fighting over it.....now you know.

What is beautiful and what is worth fighting for? It is a major question a man may need to find some answers to as he looks to clean his room, and works to become a better man.

I have an article. This article gets into some deep philosophy that hasn't been well understood by Post-Modern Men. It is an article, with some ideas, a man should roll around in his head over several months.

Article: "Got Thumos." from The Art of Manliness.

Thumos is righteous anger. Thumos is ties to a man's reason. A man defends what he loves. What is worth fighting for?

I have a few music videos, or video clips to go along with this. This music is for reflection, and thinking about this topic.

Who is your favorite pop singer in 2024? You don't have to have a favorite. Out of the small pool of pop singers that end up on the top charts, who is your favorite? Taylor Swift has been in the news a lot. Does she inspire in a man "something worth fighting for?" A lot of interesting Aesthetic Philosophy was lost in Pop Culture. Towards seeing the difference, someone may need to compare and contrast what came before or something more traditional.

Video: "The Galway Girl" from PS I Love"

Video: "Atlantic City" The Band

My sister has been abusing and neglecting my nephew. It has escalated to the point where in good faith I have to step in.

A little context. It started with her loudly shushing him every morning while he’s crying. Like shushing and yelling stop.

Then her ignoring him while he’s really hungry. Just blank stares while he cries. (He’s 1)

Then not feeding him enough food for his age. Then she started working a night job and she kinda just stopped feeding him.

Then started pushing him out of her room and slamming the door shut for someone else to tend to him. Someone else is taking care of him 90 % of the time if not more. I’m talking about I feed him with my kids, change his diaper, take him on walks, watch over him every day and she just doesn’t acknowledge it. I also have a remote job but it’s not fair that I’m spending my free time watching my nephew without even communication being there.

At first it was chalked up to post partum depression. Now it’s flat out neglect and abuse. I’m planning on either confronting her, or telling his dad and giving him the option to step in before I do. I need some advice from someone who is unbiased in the Situation.

The goal here is not to be political. The goal is to highlight some Philosophical and Theological realities. There has been a lot of Spiritual things that have become "Secularized." For example, Humanism came from Christian Theologians. Secular Humanism would be a corruption of. The Post-Modern World was built on a Christian Tolerance, and Christian tolerance on a shared sense of Christian Values. Is a Liberal Tolerance the same thing? No. It was a secularization of something.

Awake is something particular in the Bible. Awake may be like Prophet Ezekiel or John the Revelator, who had visions of the spiritual, or were Seers. Awake may be like Stephen, the First Martyr, who saw Jesus Christ at the Right hand of God. (Acts 7:55,56) Awake is something particular in the Bible, where someone has eyes to see and ears to hear. (Ezekiel 12:2)(Proverbs 20:12)(Isaiah 42:7)(Matthew 13:15-17) Woke would be a corruption of. Woke comes from people like Rev Jesse Jackson, who was using very particular Christian Concepts for his own or other gain. Rev Jesse Jackson was also an Occult Freemason.

Woke is Ideology as religion. Given someone understands where it comes from, and is "In God," working to build the Kingdom of God, woke is defeated easily. (Ask if you really care for examples.)

A lot of Spiritual things have been secularized. Someone like Dr Carl Jung, he was termed a "Mystic." He was in a spiritualism. Given we go over to r/consciousness, there is a lot of Eastern Mysticism and New Age Mysticism mixed in there. A lot of spiritual things were secularized, and being able to see this may be part of being Awake.

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If you believe that God exists and it turns out that God does exist, then infinite reward is yours--something like eternal happiness in a heavenly place. This is the jackpot outcome! ---

I had a thought on the jackpot scenario of Pascal's wager (above). It's the idea that to 'believe' in God is in fact really quite demanding. I don't think a flippant belief is going to get one far, as one's belief will surely be tested by the challenges, sorrows and malevolence of existence. I mean the idea people can boil babies in oil fryers and act evil and malevolent toward each other tests one's belief in God greatly. So, I'm pointing out, it's not so easy to secure the jackpot scenario, if Satan pure evil descends and tests you to snuff out your belief in God.

The book of Job is instructive to us here in this line of thinking, as Job secures a great windfall, once, then, twice, by God, by believing in God and living out his belief in every action and area of his life. But it wasn't plain sailing as Satan levelled everything except the taking of his life, poverty, affliction, death of family, social ostracization, etc. Job secured an earthly jackpot, but the road was hard. However, his road was easier than Christ, who was put to death, but secured a heavenly reward/jackpot. I feel like one of the passages of scripture that captures Christs position on Pascals wager, and the jackpot outcome is this --

Take Up Your Cross (Mark 8:34–38; Luke 9:23–27)

24 Then Jesus told His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. 25 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.28 Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

--- We have the demand of belief. Those who don't believe and act otherwise. And those who secure divine grace and the reward, the jackpot. So, the idea may be, a person may well need to die for their belief in God if necessary to live out their loyal belief in God through their actions, just as Christ did when he went to the Cross. Now, digging deeper, we begin to see it's not so easy to secure the jackpot from God. In addition, if Satan tests us harder the closer we get to the divine jackpot from God, he may well be forced to murder us in a bid to avoid us securing the divine jackpot, for what other way tool can he use to deter us when other temptations fail him to pull us off the path, the way, and dent our belief in God and our lived out faith in action premised on such a belief. The scripture alludes to this ratcheting up of pressures against a believer in God, right here;

Luke 8:15 New International Version 15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop. -- John 12;24* Amen, amen, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains just a grain of wheat; but if it dies, it produces much fruit. 25 Whoever loves his life* loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will preserve it for eternal life. -- Matthew 13-- 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

Would it even be the opposite is the case that holding a belief in God and securing the jackpot from God is not the easiest avenue as Pascal argues in his famous wager, and which offers the best pay out. Smallest input for largest return. But its opposite, that which demands extreme steadfastness in hardship if it occurs and massive input in prosperity (towing the line and not sinning giving into luxury craving!) and if one, is tested greatly sickness or death through hardship, to secure the greatest reward, jackpot, does this not seem to make more sense to us and explain why belief in God and securing the jackpot may in fact be incredibly rare, massively demanding, and not easy to secure. Does God give the best for very little effort, or save the most for those who give a great amount to him, premised on belief and love toward him, regardless of circumstance? So here I'm refuting Pascal and his notion of the easy jackpot, which is not founded on scriptural textual evidence, and perhaps, instead, as Christ points out, false, whilst the hard road to secure God's jackpot, the demanding price of belief unto death if necessary, is it?, to be paid to secure the salvation of the soul, which seems to makes more sense logically, to be true, and also in our hearts as well possibly, certainly the scripture supports such a view. So who is one more inclined to believe? A French philosopher, or the Son of Man and God?

God orders. Satan, the adversary sows chaos. So, it's helpful for us to think about such things as Pascal's wager with respect critically, and orientate ourselves optimally toward the highest possible good as we journey through life.

Be well! m

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Matthew 16:24-25 - "Then Jesus said to His disciples, 'If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.

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https://voca.ro/1iqSFNH0NXIE -- Audio version by Mossy

I keep moving forward, despite everything. I hope you are, too. I'm trying my best to be grateful for everything in my life, despite considerable suffering. Despite, a chipped rock of a boulder on my shoulder. I usually manage it. But the burden at times weighs heavy. Gravity's working against me. But, I have this old saying: 'if you don't hate it with every fibre of you're being, then, it's not the cross'. So I deny myself, and I carry the cross. Each day I pick it up. And at night I struggle to put it down and sleep. But, I know I gotta get from a to b. And it's up to me! I guess that's why they say what gets in the way becomes the way. The impediment to action becomes the catalyst for action. I keep moving forward ⏩, I keep paving a way. Until death swallows me up in the grave.

If God can factor in and justify this suffering, he's my type of God, because it's a living hell that people like me are going through. It's not so fun living in hell and I've been here a while. Years. Only human malevolence could have done this to me. Thankfully, I'm bigger than the body and bigger than than this b.s. There's nothing new under the sun to me. You can wound me, poison me, treat me like scum, but you will never separate me from the love of Jesus Christ and God. As Jordan Peterson says 'only the individual suffers', groups on the other hand are made up of them. Groups can deny individual suffering. Especially those from and in different classes. But, everyone's turn comes. The worm always turns! The wise prepare early.

A line of scripture that helps me persist as evil persecutes me in the body is this: 'unless you hate you're life, you're not worthy of me'. Yes, the bar has been set high for us by God. So let us aim upward, even in bone crushing adversity, when it feels like our body is ready to die in every moment of every day. Let us persist, let us withstand, let us grope on our hands in knees. In any and all circumstances, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Engulfed in Chaos 👹 I am still bringing order to the world 🌍.

Mossy 🍃🌞 🦀

P.s -

God have mercy on me. A foolish sinner. The scripture states: wise men impress God little. So, stay humble. And don't mumble or grumble. The words of Christ ring in my ears. Satan has received permission to test every one of you. Let us not fall into temptation. Hungry is the heart of the one who wanders through the desert 🏜️. Keep me from the want of thirst. I know you have eternal life giving water 💦 God. Let me persist until you are ready to recall me to a safe place.

I work in the rare disease charity space. Think 100 Doctors Worldwide who treat the condition. We’ve been partnered with another rare disease charity for the last few years. A lot of our patients overlap, so we figured, “Hey, let’s work together and help each other out.”

Well, let’s just say it's mainly been us helping them, such as rebuilding their entire website, creating graphics for awareness posts, holding auctions, designing merch, and sharing their posts on social media. I honestly didn’t mind doing this work, as I just saw it as helping my medical community. That was until a few hours ago.

A doctor we work closely with (on our medical board) sent our President a bunch of screenshots of people complaining about him in a private forum. It’s just the typical stuff of “Hey, I didn’t like my pre-op, so I went elsewhere.” Or “He didn’t follow up as much as he said he would.” Id say these are pretty typical complaints for any doctor. Well, he decided that this was a problem and that we should be defending him. Uh no? My job is to help patients, not help a doctor's ego. Any complaints are left in the forum as long as they are about medical care. This is some people's only place to vent about their health and healthcare. I'm not about to tell someone. No, you can’t complain because they saw him. This forum is also not attached to the charity. They are entirely separate entities.

Here's where the other charity comes in. They sent him the screenshots. They are aware that this breaches the rules of the forum. Im beyond pissed. Idk what to do with this information. These ss can affect peoples healthcare options. They know this and yet chose to give him these ss.

Doctors have revoked surgeries in the past because of people sharing comments from this forum. Even though it's usually anonymous, it’s pretty easy for a doctor to connect the dots, considering how rare these surgeries are. It’s not like they have a ton of these on their docket. This happened years ago, and we’ve been paranoid it would happen again. And here we are.

I've been the primary contact with this other charity. I have spent 100+ hours helping them with their site and social media accounts. It feels like they don’t give a fuck about the community they represent or ours at this point. This could completely break trust in the forum and in us as a charity.

So, I've been asked to confront them about this. I hate confrontation, but I'm shaking mad about this. I'm taking a few days to summarize my thoughts and make sure I have receipts. But wtf?! How can someone who works in the rare disease space do this to their community?

Do you have any thoughts on how to confront them about this? I want to try to salvage the relationship, but I truly don’t think I can. I've lost all trust, but I also don’t want it to look like we’ve turned our backs on this charity for no reason.

I have been struggling with the idea of reciprocity and would like some advice.

I have for a long struggled with the idea that i owe my parents for raising me. This stemmed from thinking i need to pay every debt back which was partly a rule i thought of as a child because i think maybe i helped others a lot and felt like it was unequal or i was being used and would appreciate someone helping back so thats the person i wanted be. At the time it also felt morely right not always pay back cuz that was fair.

Im trying untangle these assumptions and for the most part have i dont think its a morally wrong as neither person helping is doing so with a return expected so u dont explicitly have to pay it back. And there are other ways u can make people feel appreciated or do things for them and its not actually nexessary to do something in the first place. I think this is cuz i enjoyed the “warm” feeling of others caring about u and assumed others did and so wanted to be a good friend and do that to others, maybe as i am more agreeable than average.

However i found later i had thought this idea was reinforced by Petersons idea of reciprocity. I had a look around for videos of him speaking on it and he does say that u shouldn’t be obsessively keeping track of of who does what just that u should both be trying to do whats best for each other. And he does say sometimes ur more the giver but it applies even with children who give back in some way. But i dont know what and if it encompasses owing my parents for raising me.