This post was removed from the provisional conspiracy sub by a mod for “lacking context or content” oddly it think that this alone could be a conspiracy related to the pit shaft, I also made a comment that I thought others might be interested in. I had no idea there were other people so enthusiastic about the pit shaft!

The post was highly upvoted at this time 90% which IMO stands as evidence that the post did not lack context OR content but rather that the mod named /u/Dhylan simply could not understand either.

Here is the OP.

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy_commons/comments/ie6qyc/i_have_assembled_proof_which_demonstrates_that/

Then the comment in case somebody else would like to know about this. As I said, I didn’t know there were people even interested in this stuff.

The pit shaft is indeed quite large and deep, but it seems that the hole dug into the side of the pyramid by John Greaves is not the bottom of it. Oh sure, you could probably stand up in it, but the sides are much too steep to stand or even lay down in without roping yourself off. Even then, there is very little space to move around in. The sides are just bare stone, not even rubble filled. Al Mamoun penetrated the actual core of the pyramid by digging down past the blocked lower entrance of the Well Shaft. So far so good, but unfortunately when he reached a horizontal tunnel running the length of the horizontal tunnel in the core, there was another. At the other end of this horizontal tunnel, there was another, and so on. This horizontal tunnel was exactly that, a tunnel running the length of the pyramid from one side to the other. Since the pyramid is an angled structure, this means that the horizontal tunnel dug out by him is also slanted.The horizontal tunnel dug out by Al Mamoun is not a straight tunnel.

Before the pit shaft was filled in, you can see that the horizontal tunnel dug out by Al Mamoun actually runs perpendicular to the base of the pyramid, and not just at an angle.

The core samples of the shaft indicate that the horizontal tunnel dug out by him is slanted at a 5.7-degree angle from the horizontal. This is a steep angle, nearly a complete change in pitch from one side to the other, though not quite.

Since the horizontal tunnel dug out by him is slanted, the core samples taken by him to prove his theory are at a much steeper angle than the rest of the horizontal tunnel, making them useless as evidence. If I had to guess, I’d say that he took a random sample perpendicular to the horizontal and then went on to fill in the rest of the vertical tunnel with dirt and rubble.

Looking for some good material. Any good audiobooks recommendations would be awesome too! Thanks in advance!

There is a specific thing I am looking for but I probably wont because it was removed or it is heavily hidden cos I cant find it.

There was a group who discovered if you looked at an aerial map of the pyramids and I believe it was a cross shape at certain points you would see a point nowehere near the pyramids and the tourist sites that was a hidden entrance. it was a cave that as they went further in became hotter and it sounded like something large was breathing inside, the reason it was an entrance was because the rock was clearly carved out the further you went but they couldnt go very deep, The told the head of the local museum (curator?), the National one, literally the head of egyptology, came down saw it, then a day later, when the group went to go in the cave again and it was barred off with vertical metal bars, they werent allowed to study it, couldnt do anything.

Does anyone here know what I'm talking about? Has anyone seen this video or has this information? Any help would please me greatly.

This is a short excerpt from the works of Herodotus. In detailing the history of the three pyramids, one of them being the Great Pyramid, at Giza, he references the interrior construction of the pyramids. He informs his readers that the only entrance to the Great Pyramid is via a tunnel which once brought water from the Nile to the the Great Pyramid at Giza. The Great Pyramid has only one possibility of connecting to an underground tunnel: the Pit Shaft. The Pit Shaft is a shaft in the Great Pyramid at its lowest point, carved deep into the bedrock directly beneath the apex of the Great Pyramid. You can view the only four pictures of the shaft known to exist in the public domain here at r/ClearThePitShaft. This is the only shaft we know of which could possibly connect to an underground tunnel.

Conspiracy: the pictures reveal that the Egyptian government has filled in the Pit Shaft.

Please help me clear the Pit Shaft.

https://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/the-pyramid-tales-by-herodotus/

Khephren also built a pyramid, smaller than his brother’s. I have measured it myself. It has no underground chambers, nor is it entered like the other by a canal from the Nile

I would further note here that this explains in thorough detail how the entrance to the Great Pyramid that we use today was made. Looking at the G Pyramid from the outside feveals no secrets, or at least it did not before the 1800s when the main entrance was made. The fact that they knew exactly where to remove blocks to reveal the main entrance has been an enigma until now. You will notice that they did not try to remove blocks to form an entrance at the plateau level, or way up high, they did not try on any other of the four sides(eight technically) of the pyramid, in fact: they knew exactly where to dig. The question of how is now answered:

By sending a crew of workers with large hammers through the water tunnel that connected the Nile to the Great Pyramid and then up the Pit Shaft, the workers made their way out of the Subterranean Chamber, up the ascending passage, and reached a dead end. In the method of counting corners they know which cardinal direction the passage dead ends at; by clunting the layers of blocks they have ascended through they know what level of the pyramid they are in; and through the pounding of their large hammers upon the stone blocks inside the pyramid those outside could hear through the stone where the passage ended. From there it was a simple matter of removing blocks to reveal the "main entrance" of the Great Pyramid.

In response to the theory which claims that the Pit Shaft in the G Pyramid does actually connect to the Nile I have been asked the following question.

How do you address that these shafts were supposedly carved by early researchers trying to determine if something was buried under the center of pyramid?

That is the official story, yes. The story goes that in the early 1800s the explorer Caviglia was assigned to the Great Pyramid after his gantastic work with the Sphinx. This guy was meticulous. He arrived at the G Pyramid far after the limestone casing had been removed(Herodotus's visit in 2,500 saw the G P with the limestone casing still on, though I believe the capstone was gone already? I'll look into that later.) Anyways, this Caviglia guy was arrived at the GP at a time when the interrior was host to a tremendous number of bats and when sand had been blowing right into the exposed entrances for a thousand years on the robber's tunnel and up to 2,500 years on the main entrance...I have no idea when the main entrance was exposed, but it might have been discovered over 2,000 years ago(someone give me a link on this of you have it). So the place was a mess. The Subterranean chamber was inaccessible and the Well Shaft was plugged. There was a large granite plug which originally hid the top entrance of the Well Shaft which had been pushed into the hole, blocking it some 1/4 of the way down. The opening of the Well Shaft at the top entrance is of note because the stones about where the concealing stone was removed had chisel marks which could only have been made from the top. This indicates that the Well Shaft could not have been successfully maneuvered until after the Robber's Tunnel was carved in 820 under Al Ma'mun's (Mamoun?) direction.

I'll drop a couple quotes here.

Pliny, the Elder: a Roman philosopher AD23

In the largest pyramid, there is an eighty-six cubit well inside; it is thought the river is let in by it.

http://lexitechnia.frath.net/2008/03/pliny-on-the-well-shaft/

This quote is of significance because it indicates several things. (1)That the main entrance was open at this time. (2) that the Pit Shaft, as we know it today, was once called the Well Shaft. (3) Either he is quoting Herodotus on the Pit Shaft connecting to water, or he heard it elsewhere. (5) The shaft existed 2,000 years ago, 1800 years before Caviglia claimed to have dug the Pit Shaft. (6) as the Robber's Tunnel was not dug until 820AD, Pliny's account is from the lower section of the Great Pyramid and the Well Shaft we know today goes up to a point above the surface, and further up into the G Pyramid therefore it is impossible that it could connect to a river as only a shaft which goes down could do that(i.e. the Pit Shaft).

Right, back to the story: Caviglia allegedly dug some 11 meters of Pit Shaft, and then later was hired by Col. Vyse for a couple years and they continued digging. Allegedly deepening the Pit to a total of some 20 meters. After they found no treasure they filled the Pit Shaft with all their trash. Yes, they were allegedly digging for treasure. Here I should note that pirates bury treasure where you can use a shovel as holes can be filled in, but in solid bedrock: not so much. It is highly unlikely that any treasure hunting would be conducted by mining a fresh shaft through virgin bedrock for previously burried treasure. It just doesn't make any sense. Anyways, the filling in of the Pit Shaft was very unlike the meticulous nature of Caviglia who is accredited with being festidiously clean. His treatment of the G Pyramid is something we could aspire to today, but under Vyse it seems that it all turned around and their time together was short for a difference of ideals. You can see pictures of it on my sub r/ClearThePitShaft, but to this day the Pit Shaft remains burried.

Oh, right. I was going on about the Well Shaft for a reason. Next quote is from Al Mamoun, 820AD, after the digging of the Robber's Tunnel and first access to the upper section of the G Pyramid:

...there was no treasure...this most ancient and precious of cupboards was completely bare. There were not only no burial artifacts, but no burial and no inscriptions either! The first thought to cross the mind of the Caliph must have been that the ‘tomb’ had been robbed. But how? Even if the secret ‘Well Shaft’ deep inside the pyramid had been found at this stage, it is hardly a suitable tunnel through which to strip a wealthy burial chamber totally bare. So where was all the loot?

https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa/tunnel-vision-mysterious-forced-entry-caliph-great-pyramid-giza-001812

A bit of a lengthier one, but I continue here with the observations that (1)The Well Shaft we know today could not have been discovered until after Al Mamoun's carving of the Robber's Tunnel(see quote three). The Well Shaft that Al Mamoun must therefore be referring to is nothing other than the Pit Shaft! (2) This is 1,000 years before Caviglia's expedition and his alleged mining in the G Pyramid. (3) a later quote in this post gets into greater detail on how the Well Shaft we know today could not have been opened until after 820AD.

A quote about the Pit Shaft, Abdallah Muhammed bin Abd ar-Rahim al Kaisi in Al Mamoun's time wrote:

In the middle of this chamber is a square well pit of 10 ells depth. If one steps down there one sees a door on any of its four sides

http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/ghizahistoricaccounts.htm

This accounting indicates that (1) the Pit Shaft once was covered by a trap door at the bottom of The Pit. (2) Trap doors cover shafts, and Caviglia claims that there was originally nothing beneath where the trap door once was. (3) pictures of the Pit Shaft show a piece of the trap door sill remaining, perched on the edge of the Pit.

From the same source as above, John Greaves wrote a 800 years later that:

At the end of it (The Ascending passage), on the right hand, is the well mentioned by Pliny: which is circular, not square, as the Arabian writers describe'. He published his investigations under the title, 'Pyramidographia: A Description of the Pyramids in Egypt (1646).

This is a rather disingenuous quote in my opinion as Pliny was not referring to the Well Shaft as discussed earlier, but rather to the Pit Shaft. (1) The Pit Shaft is square while the Well Shaft is rounded in places. I don't know who "the Arabians" are, but they seemed to be talking about the Pit Shaft as well. (3)

This quote from Strabo, 1st century CE is exactly contrary to the works of Herodotus from 500 years before then:

The Great Pyramid has at some height on one of its faces a stone which can be removed and which, when raised, gives access to a sloping gallery to the foundations.

https://www.wonders-of-the-world.net/Pyramids-of-Egypt/Explorations-of-the-pyramids-of-Giza.php

Strabo allegedly found a door on the side of the G Pyramid. If this is true then it is likely that nothing which Herodotus wrote is true, or that the G Pyramid had two entrances, the hinged door and a tunnel to the nile. This gheory elates most "Great Pyramid Water Machine" theorists because the hinged door could easily be the major output of a ram pump. Fun stuff.

It may be that the Pit Shaft was so packed with dirt and clay and sand and rock in 1817 that it seemed as though to outside observers that Caviglia was digging the Pit Shaft, but in reality was only clearing it of rubble.

Missing quote: Herodotus wrote a lot. He said that he was told that a tunnel from the Nile connected to the Great Pyramid. The Pit Shaft is the only shaft which has the potential to do that, but we won't know until we stop relying on the works of the long dead and go look for ourselves.

Missing quote: I once read that Caviglia had to remove a block to expose the lower end of the Pit Shaft, which until then had been backfilled with sand. Its not very important, but could explain why Al Mamoun never located the Well Shaft, as he never directly references it and it could only have been opened until after his tunneling, even if the lower entrance had been discovered, as to climb up that Well Shaft and then push that granite plug up and out would be next to impossible. The Well Shaft twists and turns, making ladders and long rods impossible to maneuver up it, and the entrance would prohibit any stick longer than a few feet from going up it.

Missing Quote: Al Mamoun allegedly found Latin inscriptions carved into the roof of the Subterranean Chamber.

Miscellaneous quote: this one's a good read,

http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/ghizahistoricaccounts.htm

Came across this post on /r/conspiracy and thought it was worth a share

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/epkwog/ancient_cities_under_the_sands_of_giza_mega_post/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Written accounts from Herodotus.

An alaysis of the most powerful cranes in the world.

https://fieldlens.com/blog/building-better/biggest-cranes/

The largest megalithic blocks in the world.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/largest-known-megalithic-block-antiquity-revealed-baalbek-002385

I'm just thinking about the capstone of the Great Pyramid at Giza. After the limestone casing was assembled around the G Pyramid there were no "steps" to the sides of the pyramid as the limestone bricks were angled about the outside such as to form a surface you could slide down. I'm not too big on "what they say," as you might have guessed because of how "they" filled in the Pit Shaft to conceal its true nature, but they say the capstone was 30 feet at the base and 30 feet high, for a volume of 9,000 cubic feet. I think its commonly accepted that the original capstone was made of granite, and at 172 pounds per cubic foot this would make the capstone weigh 1,548,000 pounds, or 774 tons.

Analysis: humans do not currently posess the means of placing the proposed capstone on top of the Great Pyramid.

What the title says.

Why do we think the pit shaft is filled with rubble? Is this based on a document? A book? Just the pictures? Thanks in advance!

While going through the history of the Wonders of the World I was drawn to the Great Pyramid at Giza. A seemingly perfect monument which we cannot replicate with today's technology in a beautiful, open desert setting. Tales of how the sunlight would glint off the once limestone casing lured me in, and then things got magical.

The G Pyramid is eight sided, and we discovered this quite by accident during...the summer solstice? An equinox? I forget, but the point remains, well...metaphorically speaking, the point remains that there is more to this monument than meets the eye, and its already an eyefull! It is the practical incarnation of how difficult it can be to see something in the right light, but when you do it is absolutely stunning.

I went through all the documentation and boring stuff(literally really boring videos about little robots climbing up the Queen's Shafts to bore holes, or at least one of the shafts). There are many questions I have regarding the Great Pyramid, and I have yet to see a complete and proven model of a "working" Great Pyramid.

Let's face the facts here: Khufu wanted his tomb built in 20 years, and they did it with copper tools and reeds on schedule? Yeah. Right.

So I continued to look through all the pictures until I noticed that some were missing. I could find pictures of almost everything, but this Pit Shaft was pictureless. Not one picture to be found. Of course, that was just my take. It took three months and bans from practically all of the major subreddits devoted to historg, but with the help of other Redditors I have these three images here on this subreddit of the Pit Shaft(Thank you to all who helped)!

That, I suppose, is part one.

This subreddit is part two. Where there is something burried I am inclined to dig. Even if the Pit Shaft dead ends, as Egyptologis claim (without any proof of any kind) that it does, I'll have no hard feelings. I couldn't care less if the Pit Shaft ends in the Nile river, or is a gareway to Mt. Olympus, or the Sun God himself is napping down there. I see rubble and debris, and I want to dig it out. I love science, and burying points of archaeological interest is not science: digging them up, is.

I hope you will join me on this sidequest I have undertaken, and we ought have many laughs together. I hope we all learn many wonderful things about life on our planet from long ago.

At an altitude of some 30 to 50 meters deep in solid bedrock is a shaft within the Great Pyramid at Giza. Its called the Pit Shaft. Egyptian Authorities and Egyptologists have filled this shaft with rubble and debris. I seek to clear the shaft these 100 plus years later, that we may map the shaft properly.