I know what you look like Clarice. This ain't you. Clarice you seemed to have gotten unto some crazy insect shit. Makes sense why I couldn't get ahold of you. Are you OK Clarice? Are you going to church Clarice?

Does anyone know the name of the song that plays at minute 31:44 in episode 13?

We all know that the show is not allowed to say Hannibal Lecter's name, and we all know that, sadly, there is a low chance of the show returning for a second season. While, we can't see Mads Mikkelsen because of the rules and the boundaries between the two projects, 'Hannibal' and 'Clarice.' I've always wondered who would play Hannibal if he ever joins in and I think I found the right guy.

Claes Bang is a Danish actor who has mostly played villains in films/tv shows, but his most memorable moments are when he played Dracula in BBC's adaptation back in 2020. Claes is a great actor who has got a sinister style that makes him look irresistible. Similar hairstyle to Mikkelsen's, Claes also has a dashing face along with a tempting and convincing voice.

As much as I liked the relationship between Hannibal and Will in the tv show 'Hannibal,' I do miss the chemistry between Clarice and Hannibal. I think with Rebecca Breeds and Claes Bang working together as the young heroine and the dangerous psychopath, they would make a perfect pair.

Probably Get Right with God.

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Episode one was absolute trash. I sat through episode 2 for completely different reasons than I tuned in for in the first place. Cast, beauties. Story, improving. Here’s My question… am I investing? I have never seen something get so much better over 2 almost stand alone episodes. I do love starling as a character.

Don't get me wrong Clarice is a fine name but Starling just sounds much cooler.

I was just recently able to restart my Paramount+ subscription and I can’t find Clarice. I watched it through Paramount+ on Amazon Prime Video and now I can’t find it on the stand-alone app and online articles are ambiguous. Anyone know what the deal is with this show? I was really looking forward to the next season.

What are (if any) my legitimate options to watch this show in the UK?

I like the artwork in the old man’s office in this episode - the big piece that he and Clarice discuss. Any idea if it’s real or created for the show?

Thanks!

I love the show, but it really has to be said...Clarice is really just a sex/torture dungeon finding robot developed in a secret government lab. She could go out for milk and wind up in someone's dungeon.

A lot of people dislike the premise of this show, and others love it. I get that. This is not about that. Let’s set that aside and for arguments sake go with the premise.

That being said, the biggest writing error this show made is that they spent the entire first half of the season building up to who is the mysterious antagonist Joe Hudlin? Only to have him immediately killed as soon as his boss Nils Hagen of Alastor Corp was introduced into the picture.

This essentially ruins all the suspense that was built up over so many episodes. Instead, they should have kept Hudlin alive and turned him into perhaps a flawed antagonist or an anti-hero who ultimately turns on Hagen and his son Tyson Conway, since we do find out he was manipulated by Hagen (and resentful deep down inside) just moments before the Alastor henchmen assassinate him in his home.

We learn that Hudlin became very wealthy by serving Hagen, but it appears that he lost his family and somehow Hagen is responsible. I would have loved to see him channel that rage and anger to turn against Hagen. I wouldn’t imagine him working with the FBI, but they could have become frenemies as the saying goes “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

What a lost opportunity.

Edit: some typos

Congenital deformities AND Drug related deformities?

Did I miss something? Or is this just an absolutely terrible writing decision?

Nils is impregnating women to have a son but he has a genetic disease where all his Children are deformed.

Nils develops a drug (specifically to combat deformities?) and it happens to ALSO cause deformities?

They made it really clear that Reprisol definitely caused deformities and it was bad for business and the merger wouldn't go through, they had evidence for that and that was the angle to bring him down.

The women in the clinical trial were not imported women so they definitely were not impregnated by Nils. Why would you write a coincidence like that?

The theme of the series is kind of a nature vs nurture discussion. Do monsters create monsters? Which I get. But having Nils create a drug that causes deformities and have deformed children just had me shaking my head. It's so heavy handed.

The season (and probably the series) is over and it looks like they completely forgot about the subplot involving a possible traitor within Vicap/FBI. It was speculated by one of the characters (possibly Clarice) that someone on the inside had to have allowed their suspect to be poisoned/killed, early in the season. This possibility of a traitor within was brought up another couple of times over the course of the season, but it seems it was eventually just dropped.

Was this just a red herring or might it have been a plot point for further down the road?

Season 1 Episode 13 Aired: 10PM EST, June 24, 2021

Synopsis: On the heels of ViCAP uncovering Alastor's secrets, Clarice is imprisoned in an animal testing facility where she finds trafficked women being held captive. ViCAP and Ardelia team up to locate Clarice as she attempts to break from her captors in a race to rescue the other women.

Directed by: DeMane Davis

Written by: Jenny Lumet & Alex Kurtzman

Is it strange that the show’s creators seem to do almost no press to help publicize it (or now, try to save the series from cancellation)? I’m used to creators of shows that I like typically being active online, giving lots of interviews, etc. I remember I think one Kurtzman interview before the show aired, and one profile of Jenny Lumet where she briefly discussed the show among other projects she’s working on. Other than the flurry of interviews with Jen Richards (it seems like she’s done more to promote the show than anyone else), it doesn’t seem like anyone involved is putting in much of an effort to help the show. Does this seem odd to anyone else?

I'm pretty sure that this show only gets bad ratings because people expected it to be like Silence of the Lambs, I have never actually seen that movie so I may have a different perspective than most but this show is a really good crime/FBI show. Well rounded and really keeps me entertained. I feel like this show would've done better rating wise if it wasn't connected to Silence of the Lambs.

Well it looks like Clarice is cancelled. What a shame.

I wanted to provoke a little discussion about what this show could have done better. Maybe some future Lecter content creator will read this thread, or maybe us super fans just want to gripe a little. Either way, sink your teeth into Clarice’s remains with me.

For starters, I would have used every bit of content that SotL made available to the producers. Barney, the orderly who had the strangely courteous relationship with Dr. Lecter? John Brigham, the badass Marine who was into Starling? Both were introduced in Silence, and both should have been part of the show in some way. That goes for the bug guy who Starling ends the novel with, too. They should have used everything they possibly could have.

(Imagine how much fun the he-who-shall-not-be-named conversations would be with Barney.)

I also would have dropped this corporate espionage storyline entirely. It’s muddled and confusing and plainly not very interesting. What could replace it? I dunno. A serial killer story seems old hat for the Lecter franchise, but it’s also central to the overall mythos. I mean, does the Violent Criminal Apprehension team also do corporate espionage? Maybe they do, but…

OTOH, I think the show did some things right. Rebecca Breeds is perfect as Clarice. The show was hampered from the get due to the rights issues, but IMO they did a great job at referencing Lecter without referencing Lecter. And they also made a fascinating case study of Catherine Martin and how scarred she was after Buffalo Bill. The episode with Bill’s mother had me glued to the screen.

I was initially disappointed when they turned Krendler into a good guy, but they did a good job at humanizing him. He saw Clarice going after Bill alone as stupid and unprofessional, let alone dangerous to the investigation, and I get that. If the series had continued, I think seeing Krendler go from a bureaucrat to Starling’s ally, only to devolve into a scumbag womanizer, would have made some great tv. I also think the show worked the whole transgender issue into the story in a relevant, interesting way. Murray Clarke is my favorite character here, he seems like a natural addition to the roster of Hannibal characters. Overall the acting and casting for Clarice was terrific.

So, if you had been the show runner for Clarice, what would you have done differently to keep it on the air?

Sucks that its going on paramount plus

Season 1 Episode 12 Aired: 10PM EST, June 17, 2021

Synopsis: As ViCAP finally gets the green light to raid Alastor Pharmaceuticals, Clarice punches another FBI agent in a moment of rage, then willingly turns in her badge and gun. Also, the rest of the ViCAP team uncovers the whole truth about the River Murders, and Clarice unwittingly puts herself in mortal danger.

Directed by: DeMane Davis

Written by: Kenneth Lin

I have a huge problem with this series, which I'd wanted to like and given a good go of (I've watched up to partway of Ep 10). The addressing of intersectional feminism, racism, trans issues and 'the old boys' way of doing things' is done in such a crass, unskilled and at times illogical way that it not only undermines the established world and character of Clarice, it insultingly undermines its own important points.

In the book and film, Clarice is having to find her feet in a sexist world and work environment. Yet in Clarice she is heralded for being a superstar and press darling and gets opportunities because of her previous work and being a young woman. Apart from being used for publicity and a few on-the-nose sexist comments from Feds not in her team, any sexism is pretty non-existent.

Ardelia Mapp's main issue is racism, not racism and sexism as it would have been in the real world. When Clarice doesn't get the racism Ardelia experienced, Ardelia tells her "to do the work". Seriously?!!! Did anyone *really* say that in 1992?! Or if they did, was it in common parlance? Absolutely not. it's very much an expression that's become common over the past few years, and it's resonance relies on people knowing what "the work" is and how to do it. To use this in 'Clarice' is not only sloppy, it shuts down the opportunity for Ardelia to show Clarice (and thus the audience) just what that work and her experience is. That would be much more in keeping with the period of 1992 and more interesting to watch.

Ardelia's case hinging on the highlighting of Clarice in the FBI and press doesn't make sense and wouldn't hold up legally. It's not a direct comparator. There was definitely an optics reason why Clarice was highlighted in the press, but it was to do with her sex and not being white. More importantly, she was given press and moved to a high-profile team because she solved a very high-profile and traumatic case, at much personal risk. It would be a hard argument to prove that if Ardelia hadn't done the same, and also being a young woman, she wouldn't have gotten the same press interest or personal vote from the senator-now-AG. Her race may have meant she didn't get as much positive press, sure, but her importance to Martins would have still remained.

I understand and applaud having a diverse cast. But seriously, it's hard to fully buy that the FBI and the world at the time was so racist when there are proportionally so many non-white characters in positions of prominence and power, including Hardlin.

The speech by the trans character Julia was cringe-worthingly clunky. By focusing solely on the pain of Julia in a 'now we're addressing An Important Issue' way, it clashed with a central tenet of the show, i.e. that Clarice experienced great trauma when at Bufallo Bill's house. It seems very naive and unfeeling of the show to expect Clarice, who witnessed horrible things and is suffering trauma, to have been mindful enough, and to have enough agency, to centre trans issues and to pointedly call out the press representation of Bufallo Bill. She was also very young, a rookie Fed and a puppet; she would have been saying what she was told to. The character of Julia, and thus the show, chastises Clarice for not speaking up when she had the opportunity without any recognition that Clarice was a pawn in a sexist and misogynistic system.

When making Clarice, the priority should have been Clarice and the 1992 environment she found herself in. They could have explored race and trans inclusivity within that, not at the expense of the established character and world of Clarice. The creators/producers/writers screwed with the opportunity they had with such a fabulous character.

Looks like they are reporting Clarice is done after one season and not going to be picked up by Paramount +. Hope some one else picks it up because I really did think it was a quality show and with an expressive like able cast. The show has so many places to go and I was hoping the would invent a new high end villain to match Hannibal.

I did hear a 3rd season of Mindhunter is coming so I guess there is that.

Season 1 Episode 11 Aired: 10PM EST, June 10, 2021

Synopsis: Clarice zeroes in on the entity behind the River Murders, Alastor Pharmaceuticals. When Julia informs ViCAP of the impending sale of the company, ViCAP rushes to Alastor to prevent the purging of any incriminating evidence. Also, Clarice questions Alastor CEO Nils Hagen, who quickly changes the subject to Clarice's relationship with his son, Tyson.

Directed by: Chris Byrne

Written by: Elizabeth Klaviter & Lydia Teffera