From a few years back.

hey! I'll be visiting this holiday season, possibly. Any tips on a basic hike or possible guided trail with options to consider rapelling or the like? I'm a total noob...so be nice...:)

I’m tired of my carabiners sticking open due to sand getting into the lock mechanism. I clean them periodically but I worry one will seize in the middle of a canyon or I don’t notice that it is stuck open.

I came across the Grivel line of twin gate carabiners and thought they would be nice for canyoneering. They seem like they would be more immune to sand ingress. Apparently they were invented for use in cold mountaineering where the user often wears gloves and ice can jam the carabiner.

Before I purchase some, I was hoping to get input from the community. Anyone else use them? Love or hate them? Any drawbacks?

I've been canyoning in Europe for a while now, leeching off other people's ropes. I'm looking to buy my first rope but I'm not sure what length and what rope to buy.

Length: I'm thinking of getting a 40m and a 80m. Most rappels I do are 10 to 15m, and I'm not sure with what kind of shrinkage to expect, so 40m is maybe safer than e.g. 30m. 80m should cover the occassional longer rappel. I'd rather not buy new ropes for a while, so these will also have to do on longer rappels where I can tie them together. Does this combo make sense?

Rope: I have my eyes on the C4EY Quick-Line7.6. Diameter wise this seems ridiculous small but according to the description when rappeling it feels like a 9mm - but I'm not sure what the implications of such a small diameter are regarding durability. Anyone have experience with this rope and if so, how is it holding up compared to other ropes?

Flash post for last minute holiday offering that we cannot use due to illness. Hoping someone here may be interested.

Here are the details:

4 days/ 3 nights at Under Canvas Moab + 2 excursions (full day canyoneering and 1/2 white water rafting)

Dates: 10/25 - 10/28 Deluxe Tent for 2 people

2 excursions: 10/26 - Private Canyoneering - Difficult (9-11 hours) 10/27 - Group River Rafting - Colorado River (4.5 hours)

Full itinerary and details of excursions would be provided at time of transfer.

Asking $2,550 for entire holiday package.

Please message for more details.

It's been nearly 3 years since I bought my first harness and helmet. I love this sport and will take every opportunity to get on a rope. The problem is I struggle to find individuals or groups to join me. I grow tired of asking and asking to be included and have just about reached the point of trying a canyon solo.

How did you find similarly minded humans to explore with?

Is anyone have experience in using dry jacket / dry top on top on the wetsuite (not a full dry suit and not a splash jacket) in canyoning and can share his experience? Thank

Hey everyone! A couple of months ago after running a canyon I put my pack and wetsuit down by our shuttle vehicle and in my fatigue I apparently drove away without it. It was a 4/3 Billabong that had served me well through many canyons.

So now I'm in the market for a new or used suit. I bought the last one mostly because there was a good sale, but I really don't know what the difference is between different brands and styles.

So what are some good canyon wetsuits? I'm reluctant to spend a lot on a suit that is going to get beat up in a canyon anyway. I know I want a 4/3 again, but beyond that what should I look for?

I have some experience for years ago, maybe 6-7 canyons. By no means an expert but would love to get back out there!

Devil-8 is symmetric so you can flip to double the life and is the same cost as the aysmmetric Axe-8? What's the advantage of the Axe-8 over the Devil-8?

Simpler for newer users? Less prongs to catch on in aquatic canyons?

https://www.canyoning-equipment.com/produkt/devil/

https://www.canyoning-equipment.com/produkt/axe/

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I got a permit for the Subway. I am going with three other friends, two of whom have canyoneering experience. The two of us who don't have canyoneering experience have a good amount of climbing experience. I am not nervous about tackling the Subway Top Down however...

We are looking at entering the Subway through Das Boot (Left Fork). Everything we are reading says advanced canyoneering experience required... as someone else has stated on a similar post, if the technical canyoneering aspects of the trip start and stop at rigging a few rappels and swimming/wading through water, I have no qualms about doing the full trip. I am confident in my swimming abilities. If there are other hazards or skills required I'm not aware of, I'd like someone more knowledgeable to tell me straight up that it's a stupid idea, and we should just do the normal Top Down hike. The resources I'm coming across are simply to generic and vague to make an educated decision I'm comfortable with.

Thanks in advance!!

Novice canyoneer in good physical shape (10 canyons: all 3A/B)

5"10 with a +1 wingspan

Every time I see "high stemming" in a guide book, I've turned page and thought "maybe next time". I've done a bit of casual stemming/bridging to avoid tight narrows or potholes but I've never been more than maybe 10-15ft off the deck and never for more than a few minutes. Can anyone share their experience with high stemming (things to keep in mind or things you don't think off until you're in it). Any recommendations for a starter canyon with required high stemming in UT?

This may be a long shot but we got our rope stuck on Sunday on the last rap at Stewart Falls, Utah. We have no idea how it got stuck but could not get it to budge. If any one happens to be going through and would be so kindly to retrieve it for us we can pay in beer or cash reward. Thank you.

I've been canyoneering for over a decade now and have heard the gloves vs no gloves debate a thousand times. Ive always been kind in the middle, up until last week (I'll get to that later). I feel that too many people use gloves as a crutch because they dont know how to control friction on their device. If I'm honest, I think everyone needs to be able to rappel at least 100ft without requiring the use of gloves. Then once they learn to control their device then they should decide if they want gloves or not. Personally, I've rappelled 150 ft free-hanging with no gloves without any issues. Anyways... onto the reason why I am now 100% pro glove.

I recently went on a trip with some friends. We were at a 100 ft rappel. I set up a biner-block, tossed over the rope, but didnt hear it hit the bottom and I couldnt see it either. I decide to change it from a block to a releasable contingency. After I remove the block but before I set up the contingency someone started rappelling without any verbal cue and obviously without checking that it was all set up. They were already falling over the edge by the time I noticed. I quickly grabbed onto the rope to try to stop them. I slowed them down enough where instead of free falling it was more like moderately fast rappelling speed. They made it to a small ledge about 20 ft down where they could stand up on their own. I told him to lock off while I worked on re-tensioning the rope and finished setting it up. I used a micro-traxion to get rid of the slack in the rope, then transferred the weight back onto the contingency release that I finished setting up now. He was then able to finish the rappel safely with no injury, and once he got to the bottom I started pulling up rope until he signaled that it was set to length. The problem now is that my hands are covered in blood and badly burned from grabbing the rope to catch him. I pull out the first aid kit and bandage them up and use a VT-prusik backup to make it down the rest of the rappels safely, but my hands stung like a mother F-er. I just got back from the Dr and it'll be a month before they are healed and likely have permanent scarring.

So yeah... even though you should be able to rappel safely without needing gloves, wear them for when you have to grab onto the rope for an unexpected emergency situation.

Oh and ALWAYS say when you are getting on rappel and make sure to have both visual and verbal confirmation before you start rappelling.