No idea why I just thought of this, but why do the other First Ones only send 2 ship each?

Are they that old, their whole race can fit on 1 ship?

Are they so much more powerful then the Vorlons and Shodows so they only need 1 ship to kick their collective butt's?

I'll probably have more questions later.

This is a serious question I've been pondering for a while. I'd really only like an answer from someone who admires both B5 and DS9.

My sons are 10 and 11. We've been watching the "good" episodes (as determined by me) of Star Trek: The Original Show, The Animated Show and just today finished the last episode of Star Trek: TNG. We watch two episodes a week on Friday night, the only time they get to watch TV. They can select what the want, but they love Star Trek. (Side note: they do get to watch movies as well, but we limit their screen time).

It's always been my intention to show them both DS9 and B5, and it still is, but here's my question: Which one first?

I think DS9 eventually became the best iteration of Star Trek and B5 is my favorite sci-fi show of all time. Eventually, these boys will want to spend their Friday nights doing thing other than watching nerd shows with their dad, so I'm aware we may not get through much more of the Star Trek canon (sorry, Voyager and Enterprise!) Also, I've recently been diagnosed with a Stage 4 cancer. -I- may not make it all the way through the canon again (although the doctors say the prognosis is positive).

I'd prefer to start with DS9, which is set in a universe they know and is a simpler story (they are, after all, only pre-teens). I'm not sure how much of the deeper significance of B5 they're ready for (plus, they still turn away and say "ewww" when characters kiss.) But with watching maybe half the shows of the first two seasons and then pretty much all the shows of the next five seasons (the Dominion War arc), that could take us three years to finish.

ANYWAY... I'm leaning towards DS9 first and B5 second. What do you think?

This is a follow-up post to my last one, (which I can't figure out how to link here so apologies for that) After taking the day and thinking a bit, I went back and on the advice of several folks here finished the episode.

I'm very glad I went back and finished it.

Seeing the non-aggression pact between Earth and the centauri really reminded me of the non-aggression pact between the Soviets and the Nazis. We know how that ended, badly. So I'm curious to see where that goes...

Sheridan continuing to do the right thing even when everything around him is telling him it's the wrong thing I find Hope in that. That steadfast knowledge that you're doing what you know to be right when everyone else is capitulating to something terrible. It's uplifting in a way.

Of course things went darker for a moment with the centauri firing on B5, and then agreeing to cover it up because they fired first. Then trying to kill Sheridan. I'm still not sure if that was just a couple of extremists, the centauri government, or even Night Watch. Maybe it was all three?

Seeing Kosh out of the encountersuit was interesting. Less for the CGI floaty zero gravity rescue and more for what it meant to the other people there. That they saw something from their own myths from their own Legends of hope and compassion. Even if they all saw something different, they could agree that whatever it was brought them together.

Very interesting that Mollari didn't see anything. I said earlier in one of my previous episode reaction posts that he was very complex as a character. And I stand by that. Seeing that kinder side of him when he's working with Vir still intrigues me. So he's capable of the softer emotions...I think what Garibaldi said is correct. He is on the back of a wild horse and can't get off. But I'm wondering if that horse is going to carry him over the edge of the cliff and if there's any hope for Molari. So that might be a sign of things to come. Actually scratch that I'm sure of it being a sign of things to come because this is JMS we're talking about He didn't see the Space Angel so that obviously means something. 😊

The fighter pilot, whose name I can't remember who, for all appearances is killed by the shadows, at least EarthDome knows they exist now. (Personally, I think it's funny that they set him up in the credits as a main character and he's dead by the end of the season and didn't have that many appearances.)

The shopkeeper being taken away and that poster put up about the shop is closed as the "ministry for peace" looks into acts of sedition. Again in the current climate quite scary.

But all that to say Ivonova's speech as she's lighting each of the candles of the menorah seemed hopeful. The original purpose of B5 is sadly gone, but that means that it's evolving. The war is there now and things are changing. B5 might be the last bastion of defense and resistance and freedom against the dark.

Peter Jurisak is hyping Up season 2 in front of a large audience I believe in the UK. I remember laser lights and maybe fog machines.

Is there an offical sector map?

For those who don’t get what I am referring to, there was a scene in Season 2 where Londo engages in a sword fight with a guy as he ends up beating him, thereby causing the guy to end up dying in the duel.

Basically I was looking back at that particular fight scene as I am up to Season 3 so far, and I was trying to understand why Londo fought him in the first place as he could’ve died to him, and I was trying to picture a scenario where Londo just walked away instead as Vir even warned him about participating in the duel.

I love sci-fi, worked through trek to halfway through Voyager. Worked through The Expanse, be and BSG, which are two of my all time favourites. Is this really all it's hyped up to be on here? I remember catching glimpses of it back in the day. The pacing seemed glacial and I didn't have a clue what was going on. My tastes have developed since then. Does it need to be watched in any order with all the movies?

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next 10 generations that some favors come with too high a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this [waves at Morden]. Can you and your associates arrange that for me Mr. Morden?"

Let's try this again.

Stop me if this has already been pointed out but, I was watching B5 the other day but it had been a long time since I’d watched the series, but I kept getting almost a Deja vu kind of feeling about Lando. It took me a minute but after a while I realized how similar Lando and Penguin look. Just interesting.

(If this isn't allowed here please let me know and take it down)

... Oh boy did I make a mistake. I sat down to watch B5 for some just comfort. As some of you know, I've been watching this for the first time recently. And then giving thoughts on specific episodes. I'm only about halfway through the episode but I had to shut it off.

The allusions to, Nazism and fascism hit very hard, especially after the election. The idea that "it can happen here" and it is starting to. The Night Watch obviously are a stand-in for fascist regimes and secret police. And some of the things they said during one of their meetings and this is a rough idea I don't remember exactly But it was things similar to this:

"The night watch exists to protect Our people from harmful ideas and misinformation."

"One of them describes potentially disloyal acts to the president on the part of a store owner"

"Sedition comes in small acts as well as big ones"

"Sometimes harmful ideas can be very subtle. You might not recognize them, but we will."

I had to turn it off after that. I'll go back and finish the episode later but Everything that has led up with the war is speaking to fascism, but that little meeting of those secret police really got to me. Because we're not at War yet. But the idea of these secret meetings and people colluding to essentially steal away freedom under the illusion of necessary security... There's a quote. It's always stuck with me. It's from Star Trek specifically Jean-Luc Picard. It's not B5 so forgive me for that.

"A matter of internal security' – the age-old cry of the oppressor"

I'm afraid I'm terrified of what's happening in America. Watching this episode of B5 I was sitting back thinking "holy shit the night watch the slow crumble of the alliance into totalitarian dictatorship could be us soon. When will they start talking about dissenters and internal security and acts of sedition or speaking out against the president"

They've already talked about misinformation. They've already talked about fake news and alternative facts, so I don't feel like we're that far away from what's around the bend.

I don't know. I'm just scared I am so scared right now. And seeing that in a show that I was going to watch because I just wanted to take my mind off of it. It's sort of doubled my fear. And I'm sitting here in my sitting room chair. Sort of double over with anxiety.

I don't know if I'm the only one, I can't be, but does anybody have any perspective on things like this? Any any words of wisdom? Anything to keep in mind?

Came up on a google search with an etsy store, but not for sale anymore. U Etsy store venders are losing out on the Zathras ornament line, how many siblings did Zathras have? Or was that Zathras?

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Better special effects added, respectfully, minimally, only in scenes without actors?

My imagination was always captured by the idea of a 5 mile long inner core with sunlight in the middle, with grass, streets, and buildings lining the side of the cylinder. It would be interesting seem more of that and in a more impressive way than a view through a window.