Dreams Die Young.

It seems like Romil or somebody finished some of the demos from around that time to the best of their ability and then put it in a tracklist, and called it Puppy, and “leaked” it.

Obviously it wasn’t just some random leaker like an employee at RCA right, because there wasn’t just some file called “Puppy” sitting around. Or did the leaker just compile random leaks and alt versions of songs and call it Puppy.

Don’t get me wrong, I am loving the puppy leaks and it’s so sick to hear them after all this time. But I see a lot of talk that sort of suggests there’s this magical “good timeline” where Ameer didn’t do anything, the band never scrapped puppy, and the band never fell apart.

And idk our current timeline gave us Iridescence, Ginger, and Roadrunner. Those are all excellent albums (and I will die on the hill that is Iridescence being their best- but that’s besides the point). I’m basically the exact same age as the members of brockhampton, and hearing them grow up and deal with young adulthood and become men helped me do the same. Like yeah it sucks the band broke up, and the Ameer situation was super tough for all parties, but what happened, happened, as they say.

Realistically I think Brockhampton would’ve split up anyway. Even during the saturation era the boys were saying that they will eventually split up or go on hiatus to pursue solo stuff. I think part of the urgency and “lightning in a bottle” effect of brockhampton is that they always knew they were on a timer. 6 albums in 5 years is a crazy pace and a huge achievement considering the quality of music made and the actually bizarre ass origin of the band in the first place.

Like, the good timeline is that any of this happened at all.

I’m an audio engineer, so in the coming months I’m gonna try my best to make my version of a PUPPY ultimate edition. No idea when or if I’ll finish it but if I do I’ll link it here. It’ll be a while, but here’s my plan. Gonna try to go through the different versions of these tracks and comp them together.

READY FOR WAR (ft. Mary J Blige)

BIG FAT LIAR (ft. Jazze Pha)

HURTIN’ MY WRIST

DON’T BE FAMOUS

DON’T TALK BACK

DON’T WASTE TIME/GIVE US MORE (PUPPY)

SOMETHING ABOUT HIM

ONE MORE HAND

WAY IT GOES

WITH MY KIN

LET’S GET MARRIED

KEEP ON SHINING

BREAK ‘EM OUT

IN MY HEAD

BROTHER TO BROTHER

409 V4 CICI (WINTERTIME)

BETTER FOR ME

GOD BLESS YOU

I’LL BE THERE

As other people have pointed out, I enjoy I’LL BE THERE as the closer rather than LET’S GET MARRIED. And this album without HURTIN’ MY WRIST is a crime.

I’m confused. I don’t see it on streaming, and when I look it up on YouTube the first video I see is a year old.

Never posted this before or seen anyone else post this. Had this epiphany awhile back but it seems relevant given the new leak. Also I wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t even the intention of Kevin or any of the member’s be it makes sense (and who knows maybe I figured it out lol). I recall Kevin even said GINGER didn’t mean anything in particular when to me it obviously was referring to like healing / medical properties of ginger root in a lot of cultures, considering the album feels like an album about healing. I feel like BH isn’t super intentional it’s just about the emotional vibes and the meaning comes later, which they do really well.

Anyways, to me PUPPY is in reference dog years. Like 10+ human years is one dog year (at the beginning of a dog’s life). Dogs grow differently. Considering the “longest summer ever” “longest summer in America” “the best years of our lives” taglines and references to time passing and growth, it seems like it could be the idea that the group feels like they’ve grown 10 years in 1 year or multiple years in 1 summer or even an inverse where the past few years as BH felt like 1 year / summer. Just a general reference to growing and time passing in their heads differently then it did irl. And it’s like a puppy. If you google a chart of dog years a dog turns 2 close to 20 years, then after that it’s like 5 human years to 1 dog. Imagine a puppy growing up that’s how the group feels spiritually. Again, it can go both ways, the past few years of their lives breezed by so fast it felt like 1 year / season, or that just within the spring / summer of 2018 they felt they grew up so much.

Obviously I’m not saying every member feels the exact same or even that this has any weight to it at all. Just my interpretation and it made the album click for me. And it kinda ties together the loose narratives of the band members growing up (not even written on purpose, they mostly write about their lives during their early 20s how could they not write about growing up) they’ve had in their lyrics and general ethos of their work 2017-18 (and beyond but that doesn’t directly apply to this theory).

Anyways ya just felt like sharing wonder what y’all think. Also curious about your interpretations of the name. Always felt it was an interesting name choice, in a good way.

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it all went left at the brit awards. - Kevin Abstract But way back before the Brit Awards when it felt like everyone wanted a piece of brockhampton’s 4th album. what was it called, Team Effort? But then they changed it to PUPPY right? Right… way back before then brockhampton was being recognized for their range of sounds, influences, ideas, members, side characters and so on. Brockhampton was on the rise with no major label and a little help from Kelly Clancy and company. And they were being recognized for, the part of the story every bh fan has told, Saturation I, II, and III, the three iconic projects from the band in one year.

Then i think some people changed the script, people who were never supposed to have a hand in the brockhampton universe.

I questioned if this was the plan the entire time. Firstly, I mean Ameer was on every cover. Then secondly, I remember they had that ritual in the BOYS video where he was supposed be brought back to life. His verse on Ready For War was already leaked, and there was just so much symbolism that ameer thought his past was haunting him. And I thought we’d find more clues one day about how intentional ameer’s departure was. Maybe Ameer only had so many albums in him and the guys were going to handle the rest. I really thought, even if the other band members didnt know, that Kevin Abstract was some mastermind behind one of the most interesting stories in music this century.

Hearing the Puppy leaks and having some idea of how much of this album still got put out by the band. The 199 singles and even Weight and Tape. I guess even as a fan i didnt see the band in the pieces, at the time, that they were really ripped into.

its just so interesting when you hear Kevin’s weight verse on god bless you and it doesn’t finish the first part on “about what story they done spun” Just interesting to think how they would have written their words differently and released completely different tracks in some cases.

I guess the worse ending is where we dont get to talk about any ending at all. Im tired goodnight.

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looking for suggestions as i put my new comp together. i don't just mean the songs from the big leak btw, it can be any of the puppy era songs

i just put it after don't be famous idc

Post got removed cause it was “low effort content”. I just really didn’t like the performance KA gave in Vancouver. And the vibe lead me to believe that maybe there’s more there with the breakup dynamics. Why is that worth removing? Just cause that opinion angered the majority of you doesn’t mean it’s worth censoring. Mods on some BS in here. Point me out the rules I violated.

I wonder what the timeline of this leak is. Feels pretty rough tbh. As much as I love the material this could be way closer to the scrapping of TEAM EFFORT and the beginning of PUPPY then an album copy anywhere near meant for release. Merlyn isn’t even my favourite member but how tf would you release an album with only 2 Merlyn verses (and a mini verse / adlibs on I’ll Be There)

Otherwise this still is such an occasion tbh it does feel like probably the last big BH moment in the community we will have for a long time. Though there are still some grails from other eras we need but only a few left I think (some CDQ versions of songs like I Love Him and Do It All Again and maybe some other TD era stuff is all I can think of rn).

Can’t believe it. Tb to 2017 when a coworker at my shitty part time job told me about SAT 1 like a week before SAT 2 dropped. And I listened to the first half on my break right there. Then I graduated highschool 2018, iri became one of the first albums I got obsessed with front to back in first year uni. Ginger hit me at an emotional time too. Man… I wouldn’t trade those two albums for any version of Puppy tbh. However my personal comp version of puppy with some extra songs added is my third fave album by them (I see puppy, iri and ginger as being spiritually like the tybool trilogy more then iri ginger rr, not that they ever followed up with that trilogy irl but still).

Just had to say something. Thought we’d never see the day. (Tbf most of the songs we already had but still it feels like a moment).

Both of those versions combined would be my endgame LGM

https://youtu.be/8zF2c339AWg?si=ciEDNMR5clCL_58K

Like, I know the subject matter throughout most of it ain't exactly fluffy, but damn. Who pissed this man off on the day he recorded this verse? I don't hate it or anything. It just caught me all the way off guard.

fr tho

What was Matt’s bar abt zendaya?

I’m writing this for myself cause I just gotta dump my thoughts somewhere and not care about it, so if you don’t wanna read you don’t gotta

BROCKHAMPTON was the first time I experienced an artist (well, artists) on a personal level. I was 16 in high school and found them like a week after SAT III dropped. I remember being so excited for PUPPY, and I remember hearing the snippets, I remember the “GOD TOLD US SHE THINKS TEAM EFFORT ISNT READY” post. most noteably I remember the outrage everybody had with Ameer when the band seemed like they were falling apart. when they announced PUPPY wasn’t happening anymore I was heartbroken bro. the Jimmy Kimmel appearance was awkward but felt appropriate, TBYOOL got announced and that fell through. it really felt like I hopped on a bandwagon right as it crashed. then iridescence came out, and I remember watching the globe visual they had on YouTube. I spent my whole last period class looking for free trials to VPNs so I could connect to Australia and listen to the album.

there’s been a lot of discussion here since PUPPY was leaked and people are discussing whether PUPPY or iridescence is better, but really I feel like the point’s being missed.

this is an album that was supposed to be released while we were all at a completely different stage in our lives. 6 years bro. the comparison can be made between the two “finished products” but the fact BOTH of these iterations lived on after so long is incredible. the fact that we got to experience what iridescence was BEFORE the pain and grief of losing a friend and a brother is incredible, and as someone that has been listening to the snippets and leaks for over half a decade now I’m just relieved. part of me kinda hurts too, I feel like if THIS was what the public recieved rather than iridescence then maybe things would be different and maybe the band would have been even more successful. all of this is retrospect, yeah, but it’s hard not to get emotional over this.

I don’t listen to BH as much as I used to, but they played a key role in my life at one of the worst times I can remember. having the piece of art that they wanted US, wanted ME to hear, during that hard time in my life fucks with me. it feels like a little reminder my childhood is completely gone, but at the same time I feel some sort of weird closure.

QUICK EDIT: my point with the comparisons between PUPPY and iridescence, what I’m trying to say is they’re the same album just at different times of the boys’ lives. we literally have the parallel universe we all wish we could’ve experienced in circulation now. it’s over

TLDR; thank you BROCKHAMPTON