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It seems like a lot of pro ai people have done art and couldn't get their vision to the level that they would've liked to. Alot dont even like art enough to practice, they just want instant gratification and use ai to turn their half baked ideas into a polished turd. The funny thing is that alot of anti ai artists would still make better pictures with ai then ai artists because of an actual understanding of good composition. Ai artists don't actually understand the rules of what makes a picture good. Not studying and understanding art will always limit you no matter what form you choose to do even stylized art Follows rules. If everyone had the mentality of ai bros when it comes to art, the image generators wouldn't even exist in the first place. Rant over, ai likely isn't going away. Keep making art but don't get lazy, NEVER STOP LEARNING!

My only issue with AI art is that it lacks the ability to represent the full intent of the creator. No, this does not mean getting the output you originally wanted, but having full human control over every detail in the piece. It's like constructing a building, but just using a mold for the entire thing. I know that may not be the best analogy, but it gets my point across. I just think AI art is very close to crossing the line of no longer being mostly human in nature.

So just wanted to give a summary of what I read.

This is the article https://futurism.com/openai-deepseek-permission-ai-stealing

DeepSeek is a Chinese start up who makes an AI model.

OpenAI accuses DeepSeek of using their AI to train their own AI via a tenique called "distillation" where a smaller AI trains on output from a bigger AI. They say it's against their terms of service.

The website points out OpenAI's hipocrasy because they also has been accused of using unlicensed data which lead to many lawsuits.

Someone said this in a comment today:

Go to any pro-AI sub and you can see for yourself. The "all artists are actually evil so they deserve it" line is pretty popular.

Challenge accepted. The following was my reply, and since it's pretty long, I figured I should make a top-level post for posterity.

Sure, let's do that. DefendingAIArt is certainly at least not anti-AI.

Top posts:

• For anyone mod having issues with a.i. hate spamming on their sub—Not denigrating anyone, just a filer to get rid of hateful comments and posts in a sub.
• I don't even know who bro was and I got THIS.—Example of hate from an anti-AI type.
• I have asked for a source many times and they have failed to deliver.—This is about debate, with nothing about artists.
• Don't worry about ai dividing the art community because you guys already do it yourselves—Example of anti-AI folks attacking artists.
• Found people selling AI art, but it’s actually kind of genius? And made a hobby way more accessible than before—Artist showcase
• AI App Attacked on Social Media—Anti-AI hate example.
• Um, no there is a difference—subreddit drama
• Discrimination Against AI and the "Right to Destroy": Learning From History to Shape an Ethical Future—essay, no hate
• Tumblr users getting their panties in a wad over a Gigachad Megatron meme. I feel so bad for this person... I am glad that the admins are being more transparent about it but still. I hope this person didn't get too much flack for it—Tumblr drama
• Generative AI is set to revolutionize Hollywood, and was the talk of the town at CES with tools like Saga for screenwriting and storyboarding—News
• Traditional Artist here, wanna look into the workflow of AI art as its hard to find resources online.—Request
• Interview with a Cyborg, HUMANITY OPTIMIZED AI TRIBUTE—Showcase

I think that's enough... not a single "all artists are actually evil." So, maybe you meant the comments. Let's look at all of the comments on the top post right now (first on the list above, comments sorted by "best"):

• Automoderator, obviously we'll ignore this.
• "Seems like a helpful list"—generally positive comment, not attacking anyone
• "yiggity yoink"—humor
• "Whoop"—humor
• "Based mod"—positive
• "'AI crap'"—suggestion for the filter
• "How does heretics play a role in this?"—question
• "In the lore of the tabletop wargame"—info... there's some comments about a fictional group being evil (which they factually are written to be) and saying that anti-AI folks (not artists) should NOT compare themselves to, so sort of the opposite of what you're suggesting.
• "Can I have more context on that?"—question
• "The Golden Age of Mankind, also known as"—info
• "Also, they don't understand that Adeptus Mechanicus"—info
• "So basically in the warhammer universe"—info
• "My entirely uneducated guess"—info (wrong as it turns out)
• "Now I desperately want to know who"—humor
• "The entire vocabulary of anti-AI hivemind"—negative, Making fun of the anti-AI movement, not artists.
• "Whilst in principle pretty gud. I'd remove"—info
• "To my understanding these auto mods"—info
• "Oh then it's probably fine yeah."—neutral
• "Actually it just deletes the comment "—info
• "what the hell does ai proletariat"—neutral
• "Idk but 1 user likes"—info
• "Could we get this as a comment"—question
• "use AI to turn the image"—info/humor
• "lmfao"—info
• "[removed]"—?
• "if it's a regex you can get more"—info
• "type: comment body"—info
• "we should all add"—info
• "heretics?"—question
• "See but then you have"—neutral
• "All these are actual things"—info
• "What? Thats not"—neutral/argument
• "Should I even ask"—question
• "No"—answer
• "Actually this silences"—neutral
• "Auto-mod can be configured"—info
• "Well that's way better than"—neutral
• "Well the sub it's used"—info
• "[removed]"—anti-AI argument removed
• "This isn't the appropriate subreddit"—moderator comment on removal
• "🤨 you plan to defend"—neutral
• "Anti-AI rhetoric is against"—moderator warning

That's it... all the comments and not one calls artists "evil".

Now the second post was in response to some anti-AI person attacking an artist. This one got people upset, but even then I only see one person making a blanket negative statement about artists who are also anti-AI, and that's broadly insulting but does not claim anyone is evil, and note that the barb is explicitly aimed at anti-AI folks who both are artists and attack other artists, not just "artists".

Again, nothing that matched your criteria, so I thought I'd look at a third post... nothing.

No one in the three currently top posts (listed above) was saying what you're claiming is a "pretty popular" line.

So yeah, I'm sure that kind of person exists. They're wrong and should be told so. But your attempt to tar the entire community of AI users, defenders, technologists, etc. with this claim that calling artists evil is part of the brand... I see zero evidence of that.

I love it because it makes antis and anti-leaning normies think that spotting AI generated images and art is easy and foolproof. This makes life easier for those of us who put effort into AI art and don't just use raw outputs or the default, highly recognizable styles. We can more readily share and (for those who are inclined) sell products using the art with greater confidence that it won't be clocked and that the more obvious stuff will absorb the hate. In this respect, insisting they can "always tell" actually self-sabotages their cause.

But I also hate it because it numbs people to the threat of actual AI misinformation and makes them think they'll always be able to easily spot it. So when some government or extremist group spreads fabricated photos or video, they won't question. When someone catfishes them, they'll end up on the hook. When some bad actor uses faked voice or photos to pose as a loved one in trouble, they'll cough up money.

As a pro-AI but also pro-people person, I take every opportunity I can to tell people "You can't always tell and there is a virtually 100% chance you've already seen AI generated/assisted images that you did not recognize as such." AI is hardly the first or only misinformation threat, but I still want to maximize people's awareness of it.

Seriously, so many comment threads are of people not only suddenly turning it into something political, but making bullshit claims like how ai bros are trump supporters of whatever. Like what? What does that have to do with anything? Where’s your proof?

It’s such an infuriating way for people to debate.

I'm not an artist, I don't make a living from art, but some people in this sub are especially mean to artists, like saying that art should be done from the heart and not for profit, but they never say that to programmers, and then there are those who vilify artists and say that artists think that workers are lowly, I have never seen such words in reddit's art subreddit!

for example, if AI can crack 10 math hypothesis in one hour, then human can't catch up, the only way is to give control of everything to AI, this is why I am keen on augmenting human's brain, and there are some ways

Note :- I'm Pretty Sure Majority of Yall are Anti Ais Just looking for a Witch Hunt who Clearly Missed the Point and Thinking Faculty in your brain

Nothing pisses me off more than anti ai people that claim that I steal and plagiarize other peoples work like anyone else has made a Afro futuristic character like this https://www.instagram.com/p/DExufckyqgI/?igsh=OWFoYTB2MGt3aGI=. Or an oceanic cosmic punk content like this https://www.instagram.com/p/DFNf-ZDpeAn/?igsh=YjFmaWQzOGM3N2tj

And it just makes my blood boil especially when it's people that don't even draw or and not even close to being pisacco with their basic or ugly art style I know what your probably thinking why you insulting their art style I won't be saying shit if they weren't drawing themselves as sexualized OC ducking their favorite main character (yeah I see you filthy Miquel O'hara fan arts )

Then some of them even have that gall to tell me that I'm not creative when half of my concept arts are maladaptive daydreaming original concepts like this https://www.instagram.com/p/DFfz3Fjx3l0/?igsh=OG0yZHRidmpmaTN0 and even fan concepts like these assassins creed titles that I'm literally surprised that Ubisoft hasn't come up with https://www.instagram.com/p/DFRqY4Ps8Xt/?igsh=ZnJ4djY1dTAzNDVv

Those cummy bastards be acting like creativity is gone when synthetic help is used like I don't prompt and mix original artstyles like this https://www.instagram.com/p/DFcKHTQulEh/?igsh=MmFzZDhvanY0b3c3 And I even created a few short animative GIFs that I'm pretty sure AI can't replicate like this https://www.instagram.com/p/DFbDnm1ySjn/?igsh=Z3l0ZWoyaDlibzc=

And now yall are wondering why I'm posting links👇 ITS TO PROVE A DAMN POINT of Proof and Evidence CAUSE I DONR KNOW HOW ELSE IM TRYING TO DEFEND MYSELF ESPECIALLY SINCE THE MOST BASIC AI GENERATED IP LIKE SPIDER-MAN AND BLACK WOMEN IN LUXURY AND DISNEY PRINCESSE EVEN GET VIEWS BUT MINE IS SILENT IN THE DARK NOW YOUR MOVE ANTI AIS What do you have to say about that And most importantly why pay an artist for a ridiculously high price when I can do it myself for free especially in the way that I always imagined with no mistakes and no regrets

If ai art is not real art, so aren't photography and digital?

(This is coming from a traditional artist)

Photography requires a different ruleset than standard art, and does not require the same skills

Digital art allows you to use stabilisers, rotate stuff, multiple layers and solid colours.

If we follow this line of logic, colored pencils and modern paper isn't also real cause the ancient artists used different​ types of paper, and didn't have modern day art supplies.

Stop hating on air art just because you suck at art, and actually try to prove

Digital antis are the worst because they tell others to use a pencil, when they won't do it themselves

(Apologies for bad grammar, english isn't my first language)

I was pretty much anti ai art for a while until I saw a really cool artwork realised​ that I'm just against slop disguised as art.

Like if ai isn't art so isnt photography b​ut it is.

Digital art also makes stuff easier but people still call it art.

The point is that people against ai art ate just bad at it.

Ai will only make good art more expensive and will remove the subpar ones.

Think of it like bread

You can buy factory made br3ead that is cheap or you can buy the crafted bread that's expensive

Ai will also help to lower costs in stuff such as icons which are necessary but not worth paying an artist for

If you really are an artist, you will also known that you have much more advanced tools than the ancient artists

You use proper brushes and pencils, the cavemen used natural dyes​

If you are really good you will get commisions regardless of what happens cause traditional and digital will mostly be superior to ai art because of the shortcomings of ai

It's a very interesting topic and I am curious as to what both sides consider persuasive in that regard.

GOP Missouri senator Josh Hawley has proposed a bill called Decoupling America’s Artificial Intelligence Capabilities from China Act of 2025, on Wednesday 29th January that seeks to sever collaboration between the U.S. and China in AI development.

The penalties of this for people and American companies that do not comply to this proposed bill are: criminal fines of up to $100 million for companies and up to $1 million for American individuals.

This bill is definitely unenforceable and shows how American politicians and AI companies are afraid of Deepseek and other Chinese AI companies that release open-source models. Other reasons why I think this bill is unenforceable are:

• It is too broad as the bill defines 'AI technology' to include hardware, software and cloud services.
• Tracking components like GPUs and intangible AI models is next-to-impossible.
• Trying to comply and monitor this would be very difficult for AI companies, especially smaller AI companies that release open-source AI models.

This bill just seems like America is shooting themselves in the foot.

PDF of the bill: https://www.hawley.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Hawley-Decoupling-Americas-Artificial-Intelligence-Capabilities-from-China-Act.pdf

I cant even ask a question without chatgpt saying I cant help with that. I get that I work in sensitive industry, but the amount of censorship is just crazy

This user LOVES to bring up this collage he's made whenever anyone suggests Ai bros can also be toxic. I called him out by showing a few examples of him being just as toxic as the people in this collage. The mods removed MY comment calling him out. None of the users he was attacking ever made any personal attacks to him first to provoke him. This user is now doing damage control removing all those comment i screenshotted, but lucky i saved one. The culture on Aiwars is so sick and twisted. Ai bros are allowed to be as toxic as they want, but if you call it then its a problem

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It has gained attention for its high performance, cost efficiency, and open-source accessibility, positioning it as a strong competitor in the AI field. Has anyone tried it to see if it's really that smart?

Hello 👋 I just wanted to share my AI Writer Platform (https://www.aibookgenerator.org/ai-story-writer). I designed it to be exceptional at the task of writing stories, either full books or short stories. It also implements a keyword feature that will fire a keyword agent that will work with the story agent to merge the final product. For example, if you submit the form with the story idea "matrix revolution" and the keywords "neo", "turing test", "skynet" and generate a story let's say 2000 words, well, you can imagine what it will do, but you will be surprised by the quality without having to go back and forth with let's say chatgpt.