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/r/aiwars
Antis, you cannot and should not try to stop up to 1000 years of momentum. There's no way you can win.
When someone asks me "Are you a humanities or exact sciences person?" I say "...yes." haha.
I wanna draw the same amount I want to study about science, technology, engineering, and mathematics, but every time I try to rationally start a conversation with another artist about AI, they turn their backs on me. I always get a half-baked response like: "It will replace our jobs", "It's bad for the environment", "Why the fuck are you defending it?", or "It's emotionless".
I try to understand stuff and am always bombarded with stupid memes like "Pick a pencil" (I do that every day, I'm also an artist...), get instantly blocked, or am given the responses I just said.
About the "It's emotionless" part:
It's a valid argument.
But will this argument be sustained for another 200 years?
Clothes are also a form of art. If it weren't, - and we used it with the sole purpose of covering ourselves - we would just walk around in old pieces of cloth, not in your mass-produced jeans, not in your anime t-shirt where the design is just a copy-pasted PNG that the seller TOTALLY asked for the creator of the anime or the author of the manga - indie or not - to use it in their fanmerch.
You feel good wearing mass-produced, machine-made, sometimes stolen art. I guess I can say it has emotion and value to you, so why is it any different with drawings?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
About the "It will replace our jobs" part:
The Industrial Revolution happened 200+ years ago. People lost their jobs. Needless to say, people got angry!
Let's say that it took weeks to make one pair of shoes. Now, hundreds of them are produced every day by a machine. But nobody is stopping a random artisan from doing shoes the old-fashioned way. It's just like digital art, traditional art, and maybe, in the future, AI art.
Nowadays, mass-produced shoes, food, clothes are... normal. I wonder how much time it will take to AI "replace" artists, and how much time it will take for it to be considered normal too.
Again, please correct me if I'm wrong.
"It's bad for the environment"
And THAT'S where the title of this post goes.
I don't know everything about everything! I'm not a genius, I don't even have wisdom. I'm actually an autist who just became an adult and is trying to understand better two of her interests.
Recently I came across a meme that implied how bad AI is for the environment, and my instant reaction was to MOCK people who say things like this. I realized how hypocritical I was being because as I stated earlier in this post, I dislike how much anti-AI people mock pro-AI people instead of debating and trying to understand their side.
I imagine an aiWars subreddit will have resources for both sides? Is there any proof about AI melting antarctic icebergs like people on Twitter say? Any proof that the heat produced by AI is NOT damaging the world in such a terrible way? Any studies/research/documents on how AI is bad/good?
I'm really trying to learn.
I would really appreciate more education on "It will replace our jobs" and "It steals other artists' work!", if it's not too much to ask.
There's so much stuff I wanted to keep saying and asking about: disabled people using AI to make art (especially when they don't have money to pay for commissions); people whose hobby isn't drawing, but programming; companies that don't steal art for their AI projects, but instead, have a personal and professional database...
But I feel like this post is already long enough! I don't wanna turn this into a 40k+ word novel!
I'm using a burner account because I'm terrified of posting this on my main. I feel like the moment people discover I do art, and at the same time, have an interest in AI, my art career will be over.
(I say "career" like I'm a professional, but no. I just make fanart. And, honestly? Fanartists are a much bigger target because most of them are very biased teenagers and young adults. If other fanartist dares to go "against" them, things might get awkward.)
I'm very sorry about the long post. And I'm sorry if there are any grammar mistakes, English isn't my first language.
Thanks for reading!
I mean from View of pro ai people human Art is allready "obsolet" and ai is the Future and so on.
But a Commun Argument in aiwars what i should somehow Care If ai remains Open Source or Not.
I mean the ai Community give a fuck about Artist, why should i give a fuck about If ai User get their toy For free?
Yet, business is all in on AI, without exploring it's negative impact on the human race. I keep wondering if AI is the answer to human laziness, since it will be doing almost everything that is now human. If we let machines and AI take over everything that is human, I guess that over time, human beings will just become obsolete.
I've been seeing a lot of single developer and small studio indie games released on Steam lately that use AI art, and I think it's difficult now to deny AI's use as an expressive tool, as far as making it possible for people to make things that they wouldn't have been able to make at all in the past.
Just got back from Web Summit, and I saw a recurring theme: AI startups that seem determined to replace traditional designers. From platforms that generate logos in seconds to tools that convert Figma designs or simple screenshot into functional code, it feels like we're on the brink of a shift.
While I understand the importance of human touch on design processes, it raises some questions for me. Can end users truly discern whether a design was crafted by humans or AI? As I work on Your GenLab, a project that lets users customize AI agents for various tasks, I can't help but think about this "human replacement" movement.
As a developer, I see AI as a tool to accelerate my coding process rather than a threat. How do designers view this? Do they find that AI helps their workflow, or do they feel it's just taking their jobs day by day?
Art can't be defined by standards, art is subjective. I may not like other forms of art, but that doesn't mean that others can't like it. There are just so many ways of doing art to put them labels. With that being said, many of y'all use AI to express yourself, which is 100% okay, because doing drawings can be hard. But you can do better. Not just writing a prompt on an AI generator and see the best result of it. Actually doing the art yourself. It can be hard, of course, but the sacrifice is worth it. Your art can be anything, just put emotion and creativity to it. And by creativity I don't mean something super complex, even the simplest things can be creative.
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Spotlight - Bluesky says it won’t train AI on your posts (source The verge)
By intelligent, I mean they are clearly capable of reasoning and providing good solutions in generalized problems. This is my reasoning.
The paper Language Modeling Is Compression shows that LLM's can be utilized as some of the most powerful compression methods available. This is true for text the model was trained on, novel text the model was never trained on, and even for types of data the model was never trained on such as sound or images. To feed sound and images into a text model, they convert the media into text/tokens and let the model process it in that form.
Shannon's source coding theorem essentially tells us that compression and accurate prediction are two sides to the same coin. To do one, you must have a model to do the other.
Autoregressive LLMs make predictions on the next token and are conditioned by previous tokens. So, they are expressing which next subsequent texts are more likely and which are less likely to follow the previous tokens. To make more accurate predictions of future tokens, the model must understand (or have internalized in some form) the possible paths the text can take.
What the paper above tells us is that an LLM is such a powerful compression engine, even on data it has clearly never seen before, because its predictions are significantly accurate. Specifically, the order of the rankings of which token it predicts comes next are more likely to be in an order where the actual next token tends to be found at a lower ranking. These predictions being more accurate than not is necessary for them to be used for compressing data.
I've reimplemented this experiment, and it works. Multiple people have. It is a foundational truth.
LLMs demonstrably make sufficiently accurate predictions on novel data to compress the data. And to be clear, if the model was bad enough in its predictions, even if it was still better than random chance, then the compressed form of the data would be larger than the uncompressed form and not smaller.
You cannot explain this away as simple regurgitation of data. If your definition of intelligent doesn't encompass this behavior, then I'm accusing you of warping the definition of intelligence to fit your conclusions.
I'm not saying current LLMs possess a kind of intelligence is like ours. However, like us, they are intelligent.
They're also not conscious or alive, and I was never arguing otherwise.
Gotta vent a bit here. I genuinely don't know another group as pathetic as these people. And it's been happening a lot lately. Impotent rage is apparently all they have...
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Just seems like a loud minority of artists spoke out all over on social media when Ai first began making art and naive people who hadn’t formed their own opinions on it yet decided to follow what everyone else was doing and start bashing Ai as well.
They’ve even deluded themselves into thinking the Ai we have now which has flaws won’t ever improve in the future and will forever just spew generic mediocre content.
If you don't know who Simon Whistler is, I suppose you don't visit YouTube often, as he's all over the place.
Anyway, in this section of the video, Simon reads from his script, and it has some leftover ChatGPT phrase in it.
https://youtu.be/r8vfeP3b7VE?t=887
He laughs and says that one of his writers is blind, and uses voice to text to write his scripts, leaving a number of transcription errors, which are hard to edit, since he is blind. Since he has started running it through ChatGPT before turning it in, it has improved significantly.
Obviously his boss has no problem with its use, and seems to encourage it.
I am curious to hear the anti-AI side on this, should he not use these tools to improve his writing?
I swear to god if someone says it’s like inspiration
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for an AI tool that lets me upload multiple photos (e.g., of people, pets, or objects) and combines them into a single, creative artwork. My goal is to create a personalized piece of art that integrates these images in a meaningful or artistic way.
There are so many AI art tools out there, and I’m unsure which one works best for this kind of task. Has anyone tried something similar? If so, what tool would you recommend for high-quality, creative results?
Thanks in advance for your suggestions!
Looks like the AI toolbox just got an upgrade. Team-GPT, a platform focused on delivering tailored AI solutions for companies, raised $4.5M to expand its suite of tools. Their pitch? Making AI not just accessible, but practical for everyday business needs..think automation, analysis, and more.
Is this the future of business AI, or just another overhyped funding round? How do you see AI reshaping workplaces as startups like this push the boundaries? Let's chat.
this generated with the original picture run through nightshade (that same ai is eating through my spare rtx 4060)
Bonus question- some of the people you know, why do you assume they haven’t become the mouthpiece of their AI?
It looks like pros are more mindless consumers than we actually are because we subsumed all the pre-existing mindless consumers.
They didn’t become antis because right or wrong that requires giving a fuck about creation/ consumption